Christianity's Weird Language Split

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@NameExplain 4 ай бұрын

Do you think this split is interesting or am I looking to deeply into it?

@death-istic9586 4 ай бұрын

Love your videos!💚

@palestinian48. 4 ай бұрын

Why you asking me

@Illumisepoolist 4 ай бұрын

Interesting

@davidnamepi 4 ай бұрын

Interesting

@MSTKChanel 4 ай бұрын

It is very interesting. Of course, there's more to it, which you already know of course. I love your work. The history behind Slavic populations swaying one way or the other is fascinating as well.

@M-tl4xt 4 ай бұрын

There's a huge number of exception to this "rule": romania, poland, czechia, Slovakia, croatia, slovenia, bosnia, etc.

@asomelord 4 ай бұрын

My immediate thought was Ireland

@SampoPaalanen 4 ай бұрын

Finland too, our main Language is none of these and we're protestant (Lutheran to be exact)

@kapoioBCS 4 ай бұрын

Greece also

@M-tl4xt 4 ай бұрын

@@SampoPaalanen I mean, by the same logic any Christian nation/nation with a sizeable number of native Christians that doesn't speak a romance, Germanic or Slavic language is an exception. Then you'd have to count Finland, Estonia, Hungary, Greece, Albania, Armenia, Georgia, the Philippines, all the Arabic world, Korea... Basically half of the planet

@Gulitize 4 ай бұрын

Also germany which is nearly split in the middle religion wise, but catholic overtook protestantism a few years back, unlike this video claims.

@daisybrain9423 4 ай бұрын

As a Germanic-speaking Catholic with a Slavic name, I see this as an absolute loss.

@JediSimpson 4 ай бұрын

Are you ethnically Polish?

@MeMySkirtandI 4 ай бұрын

He still doesn't know about all the non-Roman Catholic, Catholic Churches. Maronites exist!

@daisybrain9423 4 ай бұрын

@@MeMySkirtandI Hey, cool to meet a Maronite here! Also, looks like you've got a very interesting channel! ^^

@MeMySkirtandI 4 ай бұрын

@@daisybrain9423 I should clarify, I'm not a Maronite. But I live near a large Maronite community, and enjoy the variety within the Catholic church. And thanks for checking out my channel!

@ElijahMV 4 ай бұрын

Me too. I am ethnically Mexico though, so probably why.

@theultimatefreak666 4 ай бұрын

>Orthodoxy came into being in the Slavic speaking world Greece: am I a fucking Joke to you?

@invidusspectator3920 4 ай бұрын

Orthodoxy actually has a Roman centre, it just doesn't exist anymore, and that's the Byzantine Empire. The Byzantine Greeks helped create the common lithurgical language of all Slavs, Old Church Slavonic. It was through missionary work they did that Orthodoxy spread. Ecumenical Constantinople kept its rites and traditions alive through the common Slavic language, and in a way preserved that period of Romano-Greek culture for centuries beyond its own demise.

@RonnieOP 4 ай бұрын

I was thinking that same Thing Wouldn't the (original) centre of Orthodoxy technically be Greece

@amayasasaki2848 4 ай бұрын

@@RonnieOP All branches of Christianity trace back to Judea and Jerusalem. Constantinople (now Istanbul) certainly was a very influential center as time went on, and Greek was the lingua franca. Originally there were 5 patriarchy seats of which Rome was one until they broke off in 1054. Oriental Orthodoxy broke off earlier at the 4th ecumenical council. The Copts are part of Oriental Orthodoxy.

@mortache 3 ай бұрын

No, it WAS the Roman empire. "Byzantine empire" is just what germanic historians called them a century after Ottoman conquest of Constantinople.

@OscarOSullivan 3 ай бұрын

The Patriarch of Istanbul still exists

@Yung-Waka 3 ай бұрын

@@OscarOSullivan yeah the Hagia Sophia still exists as well, but we all know why the center of the orthodox world isn't located there.

@HSCrimson 4 ай бұрын

I think this concept is somewhat flawed. Rather than Latin VS Germanic VS Slavic, it's more just proximity to Rome or Istanbul, where the head of the Catholic and Orthodox churches were originally. Protestantism is popular in germanic languages because it started in a German city and spread towards the North due to the Pope having too much influence in the South. This can be seen in Germany itself, as the German south is quite Catholic, and Austria is also majority Catholic. Other than being due to geopolitical reasons (such as the habsburgs being influential catholics that also had major influence over southern Germany). TLDR: I think it's more due to proximity than anything else

@thescifiZipacna 4 ай бұрын

You bring up proximity to centres of religious authority but also a huge factor is who was the ruling power in a region. So the Habsburg ruled lands are Catholic, France and Spain had strong Catholic monarchies, the various German state rulers all chose Catholic or Protestant (with a general North/South divide between Protestant/Catholic). The parts of Europe that were in the Eastern Roman Empire and later the Ottoman Empire are mostly Orthodox.

@linkspeaks 4 ай бұрын

I appreciate that you admitted at the end that the language divide isn't really relevant to the Christian divide after all. It was an interesting theory, but with all the exceptions to the rule, it doesn't hold much water.

@Xomper 4 ай бұрын

Why would it hold water

@b1battledroid882 4 ай бұрын

@@Xomper a lot of nations do adhere to the rule, not all but some, it could hold more water if more did.

@tomasvrabec1845 3 ай бұрын

@@b1battledroid882 Overall there is less nationals that adhere to the Rule than they do... So no. Eg. There is more catholic Slavic nations than there is Orthodox Slavic nations...

@b1battledroid882 3 ай бұрын

@@tomasvrabec1845 I've noticed that it generally delves back into general geography, not necessarily language or ethnicity. Basically all of orthodoxy is in eastern Europe, eastern Europe is dominated by Slavic countries. Greek missionaries from Byzantium converted the Slavic Kievan Rus whom in tern spread their influence over neighboring Slavic kingdoms. Catholic nations are in mid to west continental Europe, where 5/7 of the Romance countries reside. Romance countries are generally the most populous of Catholic countries in Europe (with the exception of Germany and Poland). The liturgical language of the Catholic Church is Latin and the various Romance languages descend from Latin. Protestant nations are generally in northern Europe, where lo and behold, mostly Germanic nations dominate. Martin Luther, the main figurehead of the Protestant reformation was a German man living in the Holy Roman Empire (comprised of mostly German-speaking states). It is an argument made of ignorance but it does come from some place of logic. Not discounting either side.

@BlazeLycan 4 ай бұрын

5:44: Belarus can be considered Orthodox, at least according to a google search. 9:53: Czechia can be considered Catholic as well. While statistics show that most Czechs are Atheist (or non-religious depending on definitions), it's biggest religion is Catholicism, and I am told by my Czech half of my family members that Czechia is fairly culturally Catholic as well. If Czechia can't be included because of their levels of Atheism, then you can basically remove the Nordic countries as well which I can attest to as a Swede.

@a2falcone 4 ай бұрын

We can at least say Czechia is historically Catholic.

@lazygongfarmer2044 4 ай бұрын

It was Hussite, until the Austrians conquered Czechia in the Thirty Year's War and forcibly imposed Roman Catholicism.

@Saint_nobody 4 ай бұрын

Atheism is cringe and needs to be snuffed out.

@coolkangaroo5179 4 ай бұрын

@@lazygongfarmer2044Correct. Infact the Czechoslovak Hussite church or the Moravian church are the true national church(es) of Czechia.

@Jan_Koopman 4 ай бұрын

Belgium is a special case. It is a Catholic country, but it speaks two Germanic languages (Dutch and German) and a Romance one (French). The reason for Belgium being catholic is probably the fact that it was under Catholic Spanish and French rule longer than The Netherlands up North. The difference in religion is actually one of the reasons Belgium split from The Netherlands. Belgen, voel u vrij mij te corrigeren.

@styn256 4 ай бұрын

Only the north and the middle of the NL are protestantic. The south is katholic (zeeland, noord-brabant and limburg)

@Jan_Koopman 4 ай бұрын

@@styn256, IK, but the Dutch state religion is reformed protestany

@alexandrub8786 3 ай бұрын

I would't call it special considering that the western slavs,slovens and croats are catholics and romanians are orthodox.

@kainingyao7873 4 ай бұрын

The split between which denominations of Christianity are popular in which European countries has a lot more to do with geography and geopolitics rather than linguistic differences. The language factor is a lot more coincidental and its connection to religious denomination is a lot more of a geographical thing.

@alexandramilos392 3 ай бұрын

Yeah, what I was thinking. The whole of eastern Europe is mainly orthodox, south west is catholic, and north west is protestant for the most part.

@Gulitize 4 ай бұрын

The biggest religion in Germany is catholic actually for the last few years, it is also split with catholic being ~24% and Protestant being ~22% there is also Austria speaking german which is catholic and Ireland speaking mostly english famously also catholic. So no that corrolation doesn't really exist that much as you claim. It is more about geographic location than language for example Romania famously speaking a romance language is orthodox like most countries near it.

@dylancrichton2227 3 ай бұрын

Probably cause a big % of the Lutherans left for Australia/USA due to persecution in the 1800’s.

@alcarbo8613 4 ай бұрын

Romania, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Croatia, Slovenia, Bosnia, Austria, Southern Germany, Ireland, Greece, Lithuania, Hungary, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, South Korea, Lebanon, Armenia, Ethiopia and the Northeastern United States All break this "rule"

@chitlitlah 4 ай бұрын

So about 10% of all countries. And when you remove all the countries you listed that don't speak a language in one of the three families mentioned and aren't described by this rule, closer to 5% of all countries. But then we shouldn't really be considering all countries but rather only those that speak a language from one of the three families, so back up to about 10%. Still, it's a pretty good rule.

@danielj.8876 4 ай бұрын

@@chitlitlah What? Germanic speaking mostly protestant countries in Europe: Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, the UK Germanic speaking mostly Catholic countries in Europe: Ireland, Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Austria, Liechtenstein Countries breaking the ""rule"": 7/13 Slavic speaking mostly Orthodox countries in Europe: Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Serbia, North Macedonia, Montenegro Slavic speaking mostly catholic or muslim countries in Europe: (catholic:) Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, (muslim:) Bosnia, Kosovo Countries breaking the ""rule"" 7/14 Romance speaking mostly Catholic countries in Europe: Portugal, Spain, France, Belgium, Italy, Switzerland, Romance speaking mostly orthodox countries in Europe: Romania, Moldova Countries breaking the ""rule"": 2/8 Countries following the ""rule"": Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, the UK, Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Serbia, North Macedonia, Montenegro, Portugal, Spain, France, Italy (17) Countries breaking the ""rule"": Ireland, Germany, Luxemburg, Liechtenstein, Austria, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Romania, Moldova (14) Countries both following some and breaking an other part of the ""rule"": Belgium, Switzerland (2) Countries in Europe affected by the ""rule"": 33 Countries breaking the ""rule"" in ateast some regard: 16/33 ~48,5% Countries completely breaking the rule: 14/33 ~42,5% Countries completely following the rule: 17/33 ~51,5% Conclusion: Garbage rule Suggestest improvement to the ""rule"": If you see a protestant country, assume it's speaking Germanic, not the other way around (If you see a Germanic speaking country, DO NOT assume it's protestant). If you see an orthodox country, assume it's speaking a Slavic language, not the other way around (If you see a Slavic speaking country, DO NOT assume it's orthodox). If you see a Romance speaking country, assume it's catholic, except for Romania and Moldova, not the other way around (If you see a catholic country, DO NOT assume it speaks a Romance language). That's all, thanks for reading. Feel free to correct me on the details if I'm wrong.

@Ironhead_HD 4 ай бұрын

A good video, but understating a bit the hellenic Influence of the Eastern Roman Empire for Orthodoxy, I hoped a bit more for a simple reference at the beginning due to the role the greek speaking Eastern Roman Empire played...

@M-tl4xt 4 ай бұрын

Exactly, orthodoxy comes from Greece and Constantinople, it was the official religion of the eastern Roman empire... Not from the slavs

@AlexiosTheSixth 4 ай бұрын

@@M-tl4xt if you saw his video about why greek did not have breakaway languages like latin you would not be surprised tbh dude basically straight up ignored the anatolian greeks and acted like "greek just never expanded past modern day greece" ik it's probably not intentional but dang greek history is not nameexplain's strong suit

@Ggdivhjkjl 4 ай бұрын

The Church of the East speaks Aramaic, the same language Christ spoke.

@FakenameStevens 3 ай бұрын

The Syriac Orthodox Church speaks Arabic though

@richardmiller9883 4 ай бұрын

I think perhaps you've overlooked the effect of the language of Mass on the desire to convert to Protestantism. Romance speakers would have had an easier time understanding at least part of the Mass sung in Latin, while Germanic speakers would be lost. When Protestant churches began performing services in the local language and translating the Bible into them, conversion becomes much easier. This was a big enough problem that the Catholic Church eventually allowed non-Latin services.

@SantaFe19484 3 ай бұрын

Makes sense.

@tozainamboku 4 ай бұрын

Yelling at the screen the whole time - "What about....?" until you covered it at the end. One other example is Bosnia - a Slavic speaking country where the largest religious group is Islam. The real correlation you should've talked about is how preferred alcoholic beverage is correlated to language family, with Romance speakers drinking wine, Slavic speakers vodka and other spirits, and Germanic speakers beer. Interestingly, the beer may be partly responsible for the correlation between Germanic language and Protestantism. In the middle ages beer was flavored with a combination of herbs call gruit. The Holy Roman Emperors (i.e. the Catholic Church) taxed gruit, so some brewers switched to using hops. When Martin Luther came along he promoted beer made with hops to avoid taxes going to Catholic rulers.

@Furienna 12 күн бұрын

Actually, Sweden is more like Russia as people drank a lot of brandy here.

@fnjesusfreak 4 ай бұрын

I suspect a line through Slavic exists regarding the script used - Slavic languages written in Roman script, the religion tends to lean more Catholic; Cyrillic, Orthodox.

@_blank-_ 3 ай бұрын

And Romanian used to be written in Cyrillic, until the 19th century.

@midshipman8654 4 ай бұрын

“orthodox has no center” no center now, yes, but in the past during its process becoming a distinct thing it was definitely centralized in Constantinople, modern Istanbul, and had a lot of influence on a lot of eastern slavs. You could say the catholic-orthodox divide is one between Rome and Constantinople.

@peperoni_pepino 4 ай бұрын

It is true that cultural ties between regions will help the spread of (variants of) religions, but the correlation between Germanic/Slavic/Roman and Protestant/Orthodox/Catholic seems to be random. There are a lot of exceptions in Eastern Europe, and even the UK does not really count; the UK is technically Protestant, but Anglicanism is far from Calvinist or Lutheran that shapes modern Protestantism. Orthodox Christianity is also not just Slavic but very much Greek (Byzantine). One of the most important churches was the Hagia Sophia, for instance. This Germanic/Slavic/Roman split is very attractive from a Western point of view, but gives an overly simplified view of European cultures.

@Dread_2137 4 ай бұрын

About orthodox and Greece, many people forget that actual name of catholic church is roman catholic, and that orthodox church was in the past called greek catholic, some languages still use greek catholic to name orthodox church. I know that they are currently considered two separate churches, but still many people use them interchangeably due how close they are.

@reyson01 4 ай бұрын

Orthodoxy didn't start with Slavic speakers, it started in the Eastern Roman Empire with Greek speakers. They're the ones who spread it to the Rus, Serbs and Bulgars. The Rus spread it some more and became Russia. While Protestants might be the majority in Germany, they aren't when you add the German Swiss and Austrians. A reason why the Romance language countries might've been more likely to stick to Catholicism is that they were better able to understand the Latin spoken by the clergy and written in the Bible. A major criticism of the Protestants against the Catholic Church was that it was all in Latin, not in a language the common folk knew.

@SteinGauslaaStrindhaug 4 ай бұрын

I love that you realised the hypothesis was rather flawed; but you still made the video 😂

@thijsbos 4 ай бұрын

I've got an update for on the Netherlands: the country was ruled over by Spain at some point, until the Dutch Revolt and the 80 year war. It was then that the country kind of split up in North and South, and in the south part catholicism and north is mostly protestant

@vincentschult1725 4 ай бұрын

2:11 In Germany, the biggest denomination is actually “non-religious” if you count that. If you don't, then Catholicism (≈24.8% of the population) is more popular than Protestantism (≈22.6% of the population).

@zincero2795 4 ай бұрын

Germany isn't mainly protestant. Germany is 24.8 % catholic, 22.6 % protestant.

@Uulfinn 4 ай бұрын

Austria, ireland, croatia, poland, slovakia, and slovenia are mostly catholic. Romania is mostly orthodox. Geographic location is more important than the type of language spoken.

@Gulitize 4 ай бұрын

Germany is also now more catholic than protestant.

@kacangajaib1563 4 ай бұрын

Can Anglicanism be considered Protestanism? They still used some of Roman Catholic rites but chose to split from them🤔

@eugeneimbangyorteza 3 ай бұрын

What do you think Protestant means

@Ribbion_holder 4 ай бұрын

As a Roman protestant we all have our differences

@DevSarman 4 ай бұрын

And then, here comes Hungary Where Catholicism is the largest one But has a considerable Protestant influence in the past, especially Calvinism

@GazilionPT 4 ай бұрын

5:32 "The [Orthodox] denomination, however, is seen as originating in the Slavic-speaking part of Easter Europe"?! WTF!!! The Orthodox denomination originated in the *Greek-speaking* part of the Roman Empire (and its remnants)! That's why the Cyrillic alphabet has so many letters looking like Greek letters: it was adapted from Greek to Old Slavonic by Cyril and Methodius, two brothers, Bizantine monks from the 9th century. 5:44 You forgot to colour Greece, Romania, Moldova, Georgia, and Armenia (the oldest Christian nation in the world) orange... Omitting those to make a point? (Or maybe just sloppiness: you also forgot Belarus.) 6:04 Orange crosses spread from Greece/Anatolia (then not Turkey...) Northwards, not from Ukraine North- and Southwards. 6:41 Thank you. 9:38 Ireland's main language is English, but that's relatively "recent" (centuries after the Reformation). For centuries, they were Catholic and Gaelic-speaking. 9:53 You forgot the Czech Republic. They're mostly secular now, but before that the main denomination was Catholicism. The Czech lands are also the birthplace of some sort of proto-Reformation, started by Jan Hus (14th-15th century), more than a century before Martin Luther. 10:12 Again, Greece (in a wide sense) is not just "super Orthodox", it's the *birthplace* of Orthodoxy. Greece "kinda [is] its own thing" because Greece created the "thing".

@AlexiosTheSixth 4 ай бұрын

They also (probably unintentionally) omitted anatolian greeks/the byzantine empire in a video about the history of the greek language and acted like it "never expanded past modern day greece"

@makouras 4 ай бұрын

Slovaks, Slovenes and Croats being Catholic doesn't have a lot to do with them being close to the Roman Empire. After all, Greece was pretty close to the Roman Empire (so much so as it being the heir of the Empire and branding its own version of it - if you don't mind me simplifying a thousand years of history) and it is pretty much the fatherland of Orthodoxy.

@M-tl4xt 3 ай бұрын

Slovenes, croats and slovaks were under the Habsburg during the reformation, so their allegiance has a lot to do with the holy Roman empire...

@nngnnadas 4 ай бұрын

Don't forget Belgium which is catholic and have both a romance and germanic speaking parts. And of course Austria being catholic.

@alexanderjones3649 4 ай бұрын

I don't think it's a coincidence. Latin is the liturgical language of Roman Catholicism and Romance languages are derived from Latin. Many Middle Eastern sects of Christianity are defined largely by the liturgical language and are practiced by the descendants of the original speakers of those languages (Armenian, Syriac, Assyrian, Coptic churches). While the language of the Orthodox Church is Greek not Slavic, the Cyrillic script is derived from Greek - note how the Slavic countries not using Cyrillic are far less likely to be Orthodox. It makes a lot of sense when considering the low historical literacy rate and the ease of learning languages in the same family, especially in the past when these languages were more similar to each other.

@SantaFe19484 3 ай бұрын

It is a general rule with a lot of exceptions in the regions where the domains of different religions border each other.

@jamesconnolly5164 4 ай бұрын

They're not "almost one in the same." There definitely is overlap. Your pattern does have some truth. But the south of Germany and the whole of Austria (Germanic speaking places) are Catholic. Poland (Slavic) Catholic. Ireland (English-speaking), Catholic. Flanders (Dutch speaking) Catholic.

@zaco-km3su 4 ай бұрын

There was at least one other divide before 1054. The Arian denomination was very influential in the past. There have been other schisms before. Politics played a huge role in the 1054 schism...and previous schisms. The Catholics were the ones in the West, under the control of Rome while the Orthodox were the ones in the East. The Orthodox Church was supported by the Byzantine empire. The Catholic Church had support from the French. Protestantism started in Germany and spread from there. The high ranking aristocrats used Protestantism to gain more political power.

@SantaFe19484 3 ай бұрын

It is also worth noting that many Slavic nations follow Eastern Rite Catholicism, saying they are communion with Rome, but have liturgies and church buildings that look more Orthodox.

@christopherbentley7289 4 ай бұрын

I'm sorry to have to say this, Patrick, but this was one of your more flawed videos, where at the end one could almost feel your whole premise deflating in front of one's very eyes. 'Weird' was the word!

@davemcdonald5250 3 ай бұрын

Interesting concept which I hadn't really thought of before. One thing I wanted to mention though is that strictly speaking The Church of England isn't a Protestant denomination as it's not a reformed church. It falls into a category of its own.

@alexandrub8786 3 ай бұрын

Schismatic?

@SalixScape 2 ай бұрын

There's actually a split within Slavic where the ones using the Latin alphabet being Catholic and the ones using the Cyrillic alphabet being Orthodox traditionally.

@alexrobi1176 4 ай бұрын

With Canada it's more of an east west divide. People in the east tend to be catholic because of all the French regardless of language.

@trien30 4 ай бұрын

The French will try to turn you Catholic no matter what religion you used to believe in. If they fail, you are still believing in the old religion or became atheist or if they succeeded, you're now Catholic. European missionaries from France, Portugal and Italy went to Vietnam and tried to turn a 90% or mostly Buddhist, Confucian, atheist, Taoist, etc... country into a Catholic one from the 17th century to the 19th century. Luckily, they never succeeded, religion-wise because Vietnam is still mostly a Buddhist country, after all the invasion, colonization, etc... only the Vietnamese language got changed and not for the better because up to 70% of Vietnamese vocabulary is from Chinese just like Japanese and Korean.

@SantaFe19484 3 ай бұрын

You forgot to mention Austria, which speaks a Germanic language and is almost entirely Catholic, and the same is true of Liechtenstein. Then we have Switzerland, which speaks a mixture of Romance and Germanic languages and is home to the only place where we have a Protestant Romance majority, Geneva. Though I believe Protestantism is growing in Latin America. It is interesting how the only Romance country to ever have a large Protestant community, France, is the most divergent from Latin. I believe the reason the Romance countries stayed Catholic after the Reformation was because they were closer to Rome.

@lavillenouvelle 3 ай бұрын

In eastern Europe, the distinction is more subtile. Catholic, slavic-speaking countries use the latin alphabet, while orthodox countries use the cyrillic alphabet.

@warlord733 3 ай бұрын

To anyone whos is curious for more details on this topic, I want you to know that there is a lot to find. This is an extremely basic glance at the thousands of years of history and culture that defined these patterns. This content has its niche, Im not hating, but there is much more to explore if this has piqued your interest

@christopherbentley7289 4 ай бұрын

Further to my other comments on this video I went away and thought a little more about the strange assumptions behind it and my conclusion was, Patrick, that you fell into that classic trap of confusing correlation with causation. In general one finds that mere coincidence and correlation trumps causation. As others have remarked here, in any case, Romance does not automatically equal Catholic, Germanic does not automatically equal Protestant and Slavonic does not automatically equal Orthodox.

@Lucas_Antar 4 ай бұрын

Please do a video on why mean means mean. It has so many meaning it’s crazy.

@89Awww 4 ай бұрын

Romanian is such a peculiar exception...romance & orthodox.

@axisboss1654 3 ай бұрын

Austria, Switzerland, and Belgium stand out to me the most as they are Germanic nations that are majority Catholic.

@martinbruhn5274 3 ай бұрын

I think there's actually more catholics in Germany than protestants. It's also definetively true for Austria. By in large though, in the case of Germany, christians are mostly split up 50/50 into catholicism and protestantism.

@rubenfranco5644 4 ай бұрын

It is a question of power, Rome, and the Latin and Germanic reigns after them adopted latin alphabet and Catholicism, that explain why Slavic Languages written in latin alphabet are Catholic or Protestant. Orthidox Church has born un Bizantium, and from there spreads to Greece and Slavs written in Cirillic Alphabet, but Bizantium was conquered by Ottomans, so many Greeks and Slavs turned to Islam faith. Protestants have different origins, so England is Anglican, that is a middle term between Catholic and Protestant, created politically by a King.

@Kykneros 3 ай бұрын

Orthodox Christians didn't convert to the Islamic faith. Those were Catholics. The Ottomans sent missionaries to convert primarily Catholics (Albanians and Bosniaks) to Islam since they were more likely to revolt, and a reason for any Catholic nation to invade.

@LastofAvari 4 ай бұрын

Interesting theory, but it seems that it's not connected to reality well.

@gbrando8879 4 ай бұрын

I think is more about spheres of influence as catholicism is a post western roman latin sphere of influence and orthodox is a post eastern roman sphere of influence

@HalfEye79 4 ай бұрын

The numbers of Protestants and Catholics in Germany are very much the same (26% Protestant - 24% Catholic) but that division is mostly, that the north is more protestant and the south is more catholic. But the state Bavaria is the only one (when my knowledge is up to date), where the cross is everywhere in public buildings like schools. And it is very catholic as it is in the south. Germany has much more holidays, which are catholic but not protestant, than vice versa (when I'm correct it is just 1).

@carlossaraiva8213 4 ай бұрын

Slavic polish language speaking people would be bemused with the notion of catholicism being a romance language religion given how hardcore they are with their practice of their catholic faith. Catholicism is so strong in Poland that even the former USSR backed soviet government didnt dared mess with the church in Poland.

@marcelpenuelatraub2343 4 ай бұрын

Austria would be another exception - the most popular branch of Christianity there is Catholicism.

@plechovyhrniec 4 ай бұрын

definitely more geographic reasons than linguistic

@oleksandrbyelyenko435 4 ай бұрын

Orthodoxy comes from Greece though and Greeks are Orthodox. I see you said it in the end

@ferrugemalemao 4 ай бұрын

Actually, in Germany, the amount of Protestants and Catholics are quite equal, depending on the zones. Although, the Catholic zones are zones that at least partially had been part of the Roman Empire ;) If the ex-communist areas weren't neither of both, they would likely be Protestant, though

@theultimatefreak666 4 ай бұрын

9:59 just straight up a lie. Hungary (which slovakia as well as a good part of croatia were part of) actually turned very protestant until austria took over and harshly percecuted non-catholics for enough centuries that it stuck

@sagittariusa9012 3 ай бұрын

In Switzerland most People also speak German but the majority of Switzerland are Catholic. Maybe that is because all wants to be Swiss Guards :)

@nicoallison9228 3 ай бұрын

Orthodoxy did not originate in the Slavic speaking parts of Europe. If we want to say that Orthodoxy is the descendent of early Eastern Christianity and Catholicism the descendent of early Western Christianity, then Orthodoxy originated in the Greek speaking eastern Mediterranean from the liturgical rite of Constantinople and was the religion of the Eastern Roman Empire. The eastern and southern Slavs became Orthodox because they were converted to Christianity by the Eastern Romans (and the Western Slavs became Catholic because they were converted by western missionaries). I also wouldn't say Catholicism is most associated with Rome unless you mean the city of Rome, because by the time Christianity became the Roman state religion, the capital and main focus of the Empire had shifted to Constantinople and the East, and by the time the schism happened and we can say there were different denominations, the Romans were Orthodox.

@theconqueringram5295 4 ай бұрын

Fascinating.

@JarosawPays 4 ай бұрын

About half slvic-speaking countries are catholic tho. Also orthodox church originated in Greece/Byzatium, which is not a slavic-speaking place. Apart from protestant christianity those religions did not spread through similar languages - romance speaking peoples were catholic before romance languages separated, same with orthodox church and slavic languages. I see here a clear lack of care or research on any country other than England and Germany

@bob1234881 4 ай бұрын

Isn't it Anglicanisum in the UK?

@shdon 4 ай бұрын

Anglicanism is a form of protestantism. Protestantism is a very broad term, with there being probably thousands of forms.

@Ggdivhjkjl 4 ай бұрын

Ireland speaks a Celtic language.

@humanperson8418 3 ай бұрын

Can you make a map of the spread of people, language and religion. And an episode about how human migration caused language and religion to evolve.

@Yung-Waka 3 ай бұрын

9:05 what the hell is this abomination of a religious map 💀 brody thinks half of canada is french speaking.

@davidbraun6209 4 ай бұрын

Better tell the Austrians and Bavarians they're supposed to be Protestants; they seem to have a preference for Catholicism. Also, the French speakers if Geneva are mostly Protestant. The people of Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia and Croatia are Slavic speakers who are mostly Catholic.

@pennyspencer450 4 ай бұрын

You must also take culture, and ruling dynasty into account. But it's an interesting topic, thanks!

@carlossaraiva8213 4 ай бұрын

Romania, their people speak a romance language, orthodox church dominates.

@elihyland4781 4 ай бұрын

Imagine if Spain had converted to Eastern Orthodox before colonization, Latin America would be unrecognizable

@_blank-_ 3 ай бұрын

Portugal is already Eastern European

@elihyland4781 3 ай бұрын

@@_blank-_ In Australia?

@y_fam_goeglyd 4 ай бұрын

My sister lives in Bavaria which is essentially Catholic, just to confuse matters!

@trien30 4 ай бұрын

There's Lutherans in Norway, so no, Germanic doesn't always = Protestant. Protestantism started with Martin Luther, who with his printing of the Protestant version of the bible largely changed the German language, not Germanic. Original language was Ancient Hebrew with some Ancient Greek. It's called Judaism/Judeo-Christianity. Translations are moot. I once saw a version of a translation bible with English, Spanish, Hebrew & Greek. Latin doesn't fit all languages. They have actually mixed up the words "Catholic(s)" & "Christian(s)/"Christianity" in Chinese. Sounds of Romanized Greek words also suffer due to this but luckily most Chinese words are semantic but were forcibly phonetically weird after romanization being rendered in any Chinese dialect and read back in those dialects.

@marcelpenuelatraub2343 4 ай бұрын

However, Austria doesn't speak a Romance language

@BrunoRibeiro-po2bv 4 ай бұрын

With the amount of exceptions, I don't think this is even a Theory

@filip5052 4 ай бұрын

2:13 in Germany Catholicism is actually more popular than Protestantism

@Fedja-2210 4 ай бұрын

The answer is 30 Years war and the other events.

@theMOCmaster 2 ай бұрын

It’s wrong that the language didn’t influence the denominations while geography did, Roman Catholicism sought to keep Latin the only liturgical language, Protestants supported local languages in preaching and Bible translations, so those who have the hardest time learning Latin and who have the numbers to oppose the Catholics, the Germanics, leave the Church. Meanwhile, the Greek Eastern Church supported Old Church Slavonic from an early period so they were able to get the Slavic speakers on their side.

@giwrgosn8413 Ай бұрын

the slavs were christianized by the byzantine greeks and this huge difference and misconception

@kuroazrem5376 4 ай бұрын

Austria is also germanic and catholic.

@franciskafayeszter4138 4 ай бұрын

Sorry, but this just doesn't seems a valid theory. I live in Hungary, a country witha language, that's none of the discussed one. It's most popular denomination is Catholicism, but there are a lot of Protestants too (for example our current prime minister). We have a neighbour with a romance language, that is mostly Orthodox (Romania), three Slavic neighbours, that is mostly Catholic (Slovakia, Slovenia and Croatia) and a Germanic one, that's traditionally so Catholic, that it persecuted Protestants for an uncomfortably long time (Austria). So I live in a country, that is an exception, surrounded by exceptions (only Ukraine and Serbia follow this logic).

@mitchyrosa 4 ай бұрын

Isn’t Austria mostly Catholic?

@goblinslaya7328 4 ай бұрын

Lol that's weird since most of the netherlands is catholic and belgium is catholic as well

@MichaelSidneyTimpson 3 ай бұрын

Austira is more Catholic too

@varshasubramanian8755 4 ай бұрын

cool!

@whenindoubtgrenadeout Ай бұрын

Amen

@ItachiUchiha-bt8yp 3 ай бұрын

This couldn't be more incorrect

@Illumisepoolist 4 ай бұрын

What about Lutheran?

@erraticonteuse 4 ай бұрын

Lutheranism is a type of Protestantism

@SampoPaalanen 4 ай бұрын

Lutherans are a subsect of Protestant ("Protestant" being an umbrella term rather then specific sect)

@pyrotempestwing 4 ай бұрын

@@erraticonteuseProtestantism is more “anti-Catholic” compared to Luther just wanting to revert Catholicism to its origin: Nothing but God and His word. Catholics over time had changed things up with things not biblically supported, Luther wanted to undo that. He didn’t seek to start his own branch of Christianity. Most Protestant denominations just want to do away with anything “too Catholic”, much to their detriment.

@erraticonteuse 4 ай бұрын

@@pyrotempestwing Luther started the Protestant Reformation, whether he wanted to or not. And he did abandon a lot of long-standing traditional Catholic practices, like a celibate clergy. Dude had like a dozen kids with an ex-nun.

@pyrotempestwing 4 ай бұрын

@@erraticonteuse But nowhere in the bible was there a requirement to have Church teachers to stay single, and thus is one of the things he sook to revert.

@milanpavlovic2456 4 ай бұрын

*Totally ignores Austria, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Romania, Moldova*

@Warrenbowser3 4 ай бұрын

Ireland too

@Gulitize 4 ай бұрын

Or Germany which he claims is protestant, which isn't true it was always nearly 50/50 but in recent years Catholicism overtook protestantism.

@thematthew761 4 ай бұрын

Ireland is kind of its own@@Warrenbowser3

@me0101001000 4 ай бұрын

And then there's Ireland

@AlexiosTheSixth 4 ай бұрын

5:31 "originating in the slavic speaking areas" no hate but inbetween this and the video about the history of the greek language basically ignoring the byzantine empire I don't think greek history is this guy's strong suit

@dead3yeofficial238 4 ай бұрын

belgium is mostly germanic when it comes to language and its catholic lmao

@thethirdjegs 3 ай бұрын

It's a coincidence with many exceptions.

@saskiaviking9447 3 ай бұрын

What's the point of this video? There's so many exceptions to this "rule". Anyone with a pint of knowledge about European cultures will immediately know this hypothesis is invalid. For Slavs, there are a lot of majority Catholic groups: Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Sorbians, Croats, Slovenes, Rusyns and Western Ukrainians and historically important Protestants groups in Bohemia and Poland. Most of the Catholic Slavic countries became Catholic because of Germanic influence, not Latin. For Latins, you have the Orthodox Romanians and Aromanians, and French-speaking Protestants in Switzerland. Historically, you also have the Protestant Huguenots of Southern France. For Germanics, you have the Catholic Flemish population of Belgium and millions of Catholics Germans (in the Rhineland, Bavaria, Austria and parts of Switzerland, etc.). You also have the Catholic Irish (but most people count the Irish as Celts, not Germanics). Outside of Europe, this also doesn't always work: you have millions of Protestants in Portuguese-speaking Brazil and millions of Catholics in English-speaking USA.

@victorconway444 4 ай бұрын

Orthodoxy did not come from the Slavs. It came from the eastern roman empire, it spread to the slavs through byzantine merchants and missionaries.

@carlossaraiva8213 4 ай бұрын

The greek speaking countries, which dont speak neither a romance, germanic or dlavic language, are overwhelmingly orthodox. Hell, it was they who invented the otthodox church.

@JakubKasnicki 4 ай бұрын

Irish is Celt. Celts are usually Catholic

@lukebickner6013 4 ай бұрын

Catholic slavs: Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia. Lithuanians are catholic too and no they not slavs. Romania and Moldova are Orthodox and they are Romance. Greeks are orthodox and they not slavs. Also Germany is split like 50/50 between Catholic and Protestant.

@valeriegillespie7981 3 ай бұрын

i generally rly like his videos but this one just strikes me as ignorant as there are almost as many exeptions as there are that adhear to this rule. Slavic being the most insalting with so mamy catholic slavic nations and so much or orthedox people not speaking a slavic langauge, that part is just rediculous

@danielj.8876 4 ай бұрын

Garbage rule. Here's a better rule of thumb (some numbers to back it up in my comment to this comment) If you see a protestant country, assume it's speaking Germanic, not the other way around (If you see a Germanic speaking country, DO NOT assume it's protestant). If you see an orthodox country, assume it's speaking a Slavic language, not the other way around (If you see a Slavic speaking country, DO NOT assume it's orthodox). If you see a Romance speaking country, assume it's catholic, except for Romania and Moldova, not the other way around (If you see a catholic country, DO NOT assume it speaks a Romance language).

@danielj.8876 4 ай бұрын

Germanic speaking mostly protestant countries in Europe: Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, the UK Germanic speaking mostly Catholic countries in Europe: Ireland, Germany, Belgium, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Austria, Liechtenstein Countries breaking the ""rule"": 7/13 Slavic speaking mostly Orthodox countries in Europe: Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Serbia, North Macedonia, Montenegro Slavic speaking mostly catholic or muslim countries in Europe: (catholic:) Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, (muslim:) Bosnia, Kosovo Countries breaking the ""rule"" 7/14 Romance speaking mostly Catholic countries in Europe: Portugal, Spain, France, Belgium, Italy, Switzerland, Romance speaking mostly orthodox countries in Europe: Romania, Moldova Countries breaking the ""rule"": 2/8 Countries following the ""rule"": Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, the UK, Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Serbia, North Macedonia, Montenegro, Portugal, Spain, France, Italy (17) Countries breaking the ""rule"": Ireland, Germany, Luxemburg, Liechtenstein, Austria, Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Romania, Moldova (14) Countries both following some and breaking an other part of the ""rule"": Belgium, Switzerland (2) Countries in Europe affected by the ""rule"": 33 Countries breaking the ""rule"" in ateast some regard: 16/33 ~48,5% Countries completely breaking the rule: 14/33 ~42,5% Countries completely following the rule: 17/33 ~51,5%

@krickfizz 3 ай бұрын

Um, actually... Germany is definitely *not* predominantely protestant. There are 19.7 million protestants, but 21.6 million catholics! So, there are a) more Catholics than Protestants and b) they *together* make up barely half the population. Also, Poland is like 85% Catholic and most definitely slavic! While what you say may be true for most countries in Europe, stating it as a reliable fact is missing the mark a bit ;)

@MichaelSidneyTimpson 3 ай бұрын

Orthodoxy comes from Greece actually