You should do this for desktop environments and window managers

"Why dont just use debain?" "HOW DO I DOWNLOAD THE ISO IMAGE OF DEBAIN?!" ~ A New User.

Even though I'm a Arch user I love Arco as I copy their config files all the time

Thanks for including my previous request!

I do love Arch, but I love Tumbleweed a little more. It's just as fresh, but doesn't break nearly as often. Select BTRFS and Snapper works right out of the box.

Thinking about Ultramarin instead of Fedora, would that be a good choice or just generally stay away from it since it's based on Fedora?

Chris, I am interested in your thoughts about Qubes OS; Seems like it has a point. I wasn't even aware of it until this week.

I use Alpine as my distro core and love APK and the fact it’s OpenRC and Doas. Putting Nix and Flatpak on it makes for a super snappy, super versatile and lightweight desktop experience. Artix is not just arch, it doesn’t Use SystemD. And also, Arco is a course to teach users how to use arch not just a distro.

Where would you put specialty distros like truenas, unRAID, Synology, proxmox, ect.

I disagree with your point on pointless distros. I use Manajro. I have tried Arch, Endeavour and some others and firstly Endeavour broke 3 times in 3 months. Secondly so many things don't work out of the box on these base distros. That's why derivatives exist. Because some of us have better things to do with our time than spend ages setting up all the background stuff. Despite the reputation that Manjaro has, it has continued to work for me for over 2 years with zero problems that I didn't create myself. Can't say that for Endeavour. I can't speak for Arch as so many things didn't work out of the box that I didn't bother. But the great thing with Linux is, despite peoples opinions, there are many distro's and they exist because they appeal to different people and use cases. Also not bashing on Endeavour, I mostly liked it but I did have problems.

What distro have the best driver support?

Can you do a playlist on Unix like os’s ?

Fedora is still a Community distro, so if Red Hat decides to pull from Fedora, it's not Fedora's fault... And Red Hat pulls some stuff from every other distro as well and Red Hat is still contributing to (almost) every Linux distro, because of systemd and other core programs

A BIG correction, as a LFS distro developer, ARTIX is diffrent from ARCH, it can use diffrent init systems (which is hard)

I tried Clear Linux and the installation failed, then I decided to run debian and the installation process sucked I couldn't change the keyboard layout.... I installed vanilla os and I run into problems when I tried to install some apps ... Linux is confusing

I somewhat agree. Especially with how intuitive archinstall is now, Installing arch is barelly harder than any gui installer. I personally still think OpenSuse deserves a Spot in Supreme Tier. It's not based on Arch or Debian and is a top tier Plasma Distro. It's also the best option for users who want a gui for everything. Additionally, one of the Immutable Distros should be Supreme tier. Steam Deck showed the way and Silverblue or MicroOS will become used a bunch more. Certainly they aren't pointless. Finally, at least on Kali: It's a live distro. There totally is a point in heaving a 100% ready to go, live only distro that you can boot from iso and do work. Just like tails. Having to install 50 packages after boot doesn't mean i know linux any better. That's just busywork.

My ignorance - what does immutable mean in terms of a distro?

I feel like distro tubes recent video is directed at this lol. I’m in the camp that some of these are pointless. However sometimes pop is great on some hardware. Other hardware it has some issues. So Its nice to hop around until you find one with good compatibility.

What books did you read to learn how to build Linux from scratch?

Really want to boot up my arch I made a few years ago love it. Deb was awesome when I tried it as well, got it to work on a dying HDD when no other OS would.

Want to try Nobara as I play games on Windows and want to learn Linux, so will you be reviewing anytime soon?

Titus, my man - you really kicked the bees' nest with this one :) But I do get what you meant here.

I started my conversion to Linux with Mandrake. The current fork is Mageia. I think there is another fork. I started with Mandrake because it had a great installer and driver support back in 2000. For a newb it was great. Mageia was rock solid, slow to update but comparable to Open SUSE as almost a business worthy Linux desktop distro. I still have a Corel Linux (defunct) network license. It had brilliant graphics when it came out, far ahead of the competition. Pity Corel gave up on it.

OpenSuSE is more of a parallel although 'slightly upstream' version of SLE. In the pre-Leap days, OpenSuSE was definitely the generational upstream of SLE. Since 15.0 OpenSuSE is more parallel to SLE. Basically new packages hit OpenSuSE first for a few weeks or so before being moved into SLE and security/bugfixes hit SLE first before being moved into OpenSuSE. It's why you have SLE repositories in OpenSuSE now. This works out really good for SuSE since new packages can be tested in 'production' that's community driven while commercial clients get security and bugfixes first. In the end it's a pretty beneficial arrangement for everyone involved. The community benefits from SuSEs focus on being a super stable and sanely up to date server distro while SuSE benefits from the community essentially production testing new patch levels of software. And that means that SuSE only has to maintain one general architecture at a time with just package differences between them. SuSE also has some of the best distro-adjacent tooling you'll ever see like the Open Build Service. The OBS is such a hidden treasure that really does deserve more attention then it gets. AutoYaST and Kiwi-NG are also amazing for anyone looking to custom bare-metal deployments at scale. I will say though that Desktop never has and never will be the focus of SuSE. Their only goal with desktop is to provide a stable and relatively vanilla out of box config that you can then easily customize to your needs. Think of the Desktop on SuSE as more of a kiosk interface then a daily-driver desktop and you'll have the correct expectation. Does that mean you can't make it a daily-driver desktop? No, but you'll have to add most of those bells and whistles yourself.

Why not just use Arch? Because it's 2023 and Arch still doesn't have a 1990's installer.

How do I get the unity desktop environment on Debian.......

artix is arch without systemd, not another arch dotfile distro. so, it's in "unique", ig. idk why nobody in the chat reminded this. not to mention you did put it into unique category on your main hcannel

KDE Neon is great distro. The newest Plasma, stable lts base but it's not well configured out of the box. It needs personal polishing. It works for me.

I love the place my dear Solus got in the ranking. It was my first distro and it was awesome, but... once you try pacman for the first time, it's settled, there is just no way back. I was going to defend Manjaro, claiming it should be on "Amazing for new users" tier, but then I remembered how many times the damn thing broke on me, so, yeah... Shouldn't Gentoo be on supreme tier, though?

Random question. Does anyone know why I "and others on reddit" cannot log into twitch under vanilla arch on any browser BUT standard google chrome? brave, firefox, chromium all give an "unsupported browser" error and also you cannot accept/decline the cookies banner either. Only happens on vanilla arch, even endeavour works

Loved system76 until I switched to Debian did setup their keyboard and tiling features on Debian works amazing.

For me the best desktop experience is Nobara (after 8 years of being linux user), not only for gaming but for every day desktop usage. And yeah, its awesome. Thank you GE! For any server usage: Debian/Alma/Suse (and stuff based on them like proxmox, I know its debian based but they made great job in virtualisation and UI or for example suse based Harvester)

I love my Feren OS install. It’s a lot cleaner than most other KDE Plasma spins. And I think it doesn’t have Snaps by default. I prefer it over Linux Mint as a new user.

Honestly I use Endeavour and in a sense you'd have to have tried installing Arch the usual way first just to get your head around it. I do think though that in a sense if you already did a few installs on arch and you don't wanna bother (or don't wanna use the archinstall) then you can use Endeavour. The rest is just vanilla Arch (almost) and makes the installation a breeze hahah

Qubes uses Fedora solely as its base now. Is that bad?

Hey Titus, nice tier list. I agree with you in most cases. One thing I never understood about Ubuntu, and I remember once upon a time, Ubuntu was the go-to distro, but all of a sudden, people started to hate it, and I just can't figure out why. I mean, people say Canonical is the manifestation of the devil. But why? What's the source of this hate towards Canonical? Sure, I googled, and I found a few articles where Canonical made some weird things, but let's be honest, who doesn't? The other thing: snaps. Why do people claim that snaps are slow, buggy, and insecure? What's the source of this? Any proofs? Don't get me wrong; I'm not protecting Canonical at all. I'm using Fedora (the other "devil"), but I hop over to Ubuntu now and then by testing it in a live environment (not even virtualizing to ensure that I'm having the most accurate experience as possible). For example, now in 23.10, I see no problems at all. I've read in some articles that snaps make packages somewhat "slow," whatever that means. People claim that Firefox opens up in 15-20 seconds by using Snap's Firefox, but that's just untrue. As far as I know, Snap works just the same way as Flatpaks. The first packages truly install "slower" because there's that one-time install at the beginning for Snap dependencies. But after the first install has been completed, all the later Snap install procedures are much quicker because they do not install the dependencies again, since they were already installed as other packages' dependencies. Telemetry? It's literally an opt-in feature. At install, there's a pop-up asking if you want to opt-in or not. Rumors say telemetry still works even if one opted out, but there is no proof provided. I think that all this hate towards Canonical is simply derived from human nature or jealousy.

Please include the names under the logos. We don't all have every logo memorized.

To be fair, kali and parrot bake tons of drivers in, so they just run on basicly any hardware, which often don't work to hot on debian. (Eg macbook wifi drivers) 😂

Correction for Alma, Rocky etc.: they "were" a 1:1 RHEL clone :D

I generally agree, but we have a problem here. You 'steal' configs from Arco, this means they are good. Would you know these configs exist, if they were not set as a default in a distro? We should find a way to expose these configs/knowledge better, appreciate the authors contribution to the Linux community. Maybe then they wouldn't need to create a new distro.

You forgot a tier, and that's god tier. Here we can put templeos and macos.

Good video! Do a tier list of Desktop Environments and Windows Managers.

Redhat hate why I will not touch rhel alma probably. I would use Alma for a lts distros.

Best of the times for suse guys and gals to come out of shadows of fedora/redhat and start developing something independent. Opensuse on its own is a S tier operaing system minus fedora.

I still haven't any story about manjaro breaking after one year. Running it on at least 4 pc/laptops dayli ... ;)

I think it would be great if you try all of them

Agree with you Titus there are lots of pointless distros, Doing same thing again and again. No one creating good user interface of ClamAV no one adding real time protection and hips in clamav, very few people creating valuable stuff.

Good stuff and I see the point, but saying that so many of these distros are pointless, is like saying frozen pizza is pointless. Sure, you can make your own dough and pizza and it's not even that hard, but most people (unfortunately) just don bother, don't have the time, nor the skills and just put a prepped one into the oven. It's a matter of time, convenience and skill. So while from your point as a (Linux) master chef they might feel pointless, for many others out there they serve a great purpose and they definitely help to grow the community and make Linux more approachable, as you alluded to at the beginning of the video.

Slack was one of the distros I tried after I tried rolling my own, back when it was feasible to do that kind of thing. I think the slippery slop argument is bullshit it most contexts, but then I think of where RedHat started and where they are now. (Or where Google started and their original motto of "Do no evil," and handing out boxer shorts on college campuses back in the 90s.) I actually bought a boxed, shrink wrapped package of Mandrake Linux to "support the Linux marketplace" or whatever" or whatever. Did the whole Gentoo on a ThinkPad for a year thing because alphanerd's gotta tryhard. These days, I use Kubuntu or Manjaro. Whichever one will install with more of the stuff of I want working without me having to fuck with it. The less I have to fuck with things, the better I like it. That's why I actually prefer the Mac, in addition to to them getting UI 95% right (the other 5% they deliberately do wrong bothers the shit out of me) and why I don't do Debian or Arch. I have to fuck with too much shit to get things to work right out of the box. I know how to do it, but the era in which I used to derive satisfaction from eking compliance from inanimate objects, bending them to my will and having them do my bidding has passed. I have a lot more sex instead now.

Absolute Mad Lad

*laughs in manjaro* it was the only arch based distro that would work on my computer. dont judge me i'm not gonna break it. i'm not a total noob, plus i'm running it on a VM so i can just copy it or save snapshots and start over. i also have kali and i really like it. i mean sure all this stuff could just be downloaded separately but....it was convenient for me to do it all at once.

I am a fedora and linux mint user 😂. Gnome and cinnamon 🔥

"if I put Gentoo in here, I would be murdered tomorrow" 🤣

Videos like this why linux just a toxic enviroment. we really need to do better.

Solus was my first daily driver. It worked for almost 3 years without any issues (I was using gnome) until about 2 weeks ago after updating my graphics drivers it totally broke. I figured I'd reinstall it, and when I did all I got was a black screen and a blinking cursor of death on my first boot. Couldn't even tty. I said to myself, "I literally use Solus so shit like this would not happen", and so since Solus was no longer the unbreakable distro in my eyes, it lost all its value. I switched to Pop!_OS and instantly fell in love. Literally nobody else was posting about Solus breaking during that time so I assume it was just a gnome issue. I'm assuming Budgie users were fine. Still, the carelessness... why even offer gnome if you're not gonna pay attention to whether or not it works? This didn't happen when DataDrake was the lead dev.

Do appreciate your content and opinion, but this felt a little lazy and like you were trolling for comments. So I decided to oblige :) Your definition that a lot of these distro's are pointless could also be applied to your tool for modifying Windows, anyone could do the same but it just makes it easier ;)

trolling

Always remember this is one guy's opinion.

Dejavu or has the Matrix just had a reset???

To quote mental outlaw: "Arch is just bleeding edge Debian with a different package manager"

F the “supreme” tier. I have no desire to learn Linux on any deep level I just want something that’s easy to use w/o the command line. Fedora and PopOS are the best to me. Also F the parasites like Rocky.

Yesterday we showed violence today we're going nuclear ☢️

I’m both an Arch and Debian user. I have Garuda(arch-based) on my ‘pointless’ desktop, and Debian Trixie(testing) on my laptop. The best of both Supremes! 😀

How dare you ?! ahah Well, imho NixOS is kind of future...it is my daily driver as a rolling distro: unstable-plasma flavor. You got it all: time machine for rollbacks, last kernel, last nvidia drivers (my mobo was stuck with these in kubuntu, opensuse, fedora, etc.), last plasma! Learnig curve kind of steep, but then suddenly kind of flat :)

I wanna say I love you for saying how evil FB is

Chris maybe make a video on alternatives for SystemD, Etc in Debian, "Since you know RHEL is the Devil, Possibly installing the Alternatives to SystemD?

I actually agree, never did understand why anyone who knows how to install Arch would want to a downstream distro. Why the hell would you not want complete control over the base install. THERE'S A FREAKING INSTALL SCRIPT NOW. Once I set up Arch, its donezo. If you have even a basic concept of OS design, there is literally no reason not to just use Arch. Although, it would be nice if a newer version of rocm-core would finally make it out of the staging branch...

Titus just made a movie, s=ck it Hollywood.

Must agree Debian & Arch are best in class BUT if these were cars Debian, Arch would be a Buick & the equivalent yet superior in innovation openSUSE a BMW with openSUSE Leap a Debian openSUSE Tumbleweed an Arch and from under the same roof... the BEST PERFORMER be it; speed, security & flexibility is openSUSE MicroOS Like a BMW "track ready" sports car. What do I know anyway... If we're going to the same place... I'll see ya all when you get there... Enjoy the Buick - a it's a really nice car.

Mate... Base Arch and Base Debian might be good for people who know shit and know what they want but it is horrible for anyone who is not at least a little bit interested in technology. CONSIDER THE FUCKING USER FOR FUCKS SAKE. I like playing around with Distros and I am a big fan of KDE but KDE just shows how much a distro is broken or not. There are little things, like kio-gdrive with is a KDE I/O module that let's you connect to Google Drive and it was cooked on Debian, cooked on Kubuntu, and it could not authenticate on KDE Neon which is strange behavior for someone who is not neck deep in Linux all the time. I AM NOT A IT PRO ANYMORE I DON'T HAVE THE TIME OR THE PATIENCE TO FUCK AROUND! The solution was to migrate my self to openSuSE Tumbleweed because I trust their testing. It worked beautifully. SuSE did something that was not done by other distros. It worked... Same with PoP_OS! It did something novel THAT'S WHY DISTROS ARE RELEVANT.

Arco is awesome for noobs imo - btw I'm noobs 😅 I use the aur often and have yet to break my system. Maybe i need to mab up and install arch but the fear is real xD

you should have left the certain user casers

I would argue exactly the opposite. That Arch and Debian these days are pointless because others have taken their great canvas and improved on it by making them more accessible and streamlined. Even if a user is able to install Arch/Debian and get it up and running to where they want it, why waste time doing that when there's almost certainly a distro which has already created that environment out of the box while also making the overall process much faster and simpler? And for new users needless to say that just the installation process will probably be a bouncing wall that sends them right back to Windows before even seeing a DE. Nobody is giving out points to people who make things harder for themselves. "Pointless" and "beginners" distros make life easier for everyone, we should reward them for this rather than put them down.

You forgot Xubuntu Man

well that means i am in devil section, viva la devil :DD

God send asterid to TTT location

I like Arch, Debian and Fedora between those three Fedora is the most polish.

Titus you are being very naughty, distro lovers may be looking for ya 😁😆😅

We need to replace Twitter with not having Twitter. Maybe a new, simple RSS feed tool.

There could've been a "helpful community" and maybe "steal from me" tiers to better organize your pointless tier, unless you think that'd muddy the scope of this video

Linux beef, only surpassed by BSD beef.

1:19:37 didnt know my buddy jon is secretly a copy of windows lmfao

Fedora is S tier

just chiming in about elementary OS as a user. Its good and bad at the same time, now that hackintosh is dead, my bedroom desktop has 3 jobs: look nice, browser the web and play music and video. for serious work, its awful. too many outdated depencencies, distrobox will not work, multiple problems, but to throw on a computer quicklu to look stylish and just go on the web, that you wish you could make into a hackintosh, yeh, its fine. for real work im on suse tumbleweed.

arch in the S tier is a joke, archinstall didn't even start on my machine that tells you how lacking their QA is. I'm sorry but in this day and age if you can't even manage your own cli installer properly, you don't deserve to be at any top list. fedora on the opposite spectrum actually works on my new machine, no errors, nothing. My suggestion is to drop the ego, look at the facts, reevaluate what such a list is really based on.

LXLE is better than Lubuntu.

What about your own distro, ArchTitus Pointless isn't it?

distro comedy.

A new user need to learn first... Zoren is payed must be on no list

If Microsoft weren't so evil, pretty much all Linux distros would be in the pointless category.

I don''t know why debian and arch are supreme, and what makes them a better choice than something like openSUSE, also I use nixos on the desktop, its super secure and basically unbreakable, I think its a great choice for desktop usage, I did a dist upgrade on my mothers debian laptop and it broke it, couldn't load sysroot, so I put nixos on it instead, now I don't have to fear an upgrade breaking it.

Calling arch based distros pointless is kinda dumb. It's like saying anything that isn't Linux from scratch pointless because "everything is Linux, bro"

Becayse regular Arch is a PITA to install and most "Arch users" use an Arch-derivative anyway, once they've proven they can install Arch. And before someone brings up archinstall, the Arch devs and community don't consider that the "proper" way to install Arch. So Arco and EndeavourOS and the others absolutely have a point and a purpose.

Poor man's mac is better than the rich man's mac because you pay less

I like content that makes the Linux community, especially Linux nerds/neckbeards mad. I 100% agree with you. I use Arch and Debian, I tried a few distros, like Arco, that was actually fine, but eos, Manjaro and other Arch based distros were bad (Artix is different, I liked thas distro). I tried Fedora, but dnf and their repos are just slow af, so that's a big pile of 💩. Ubuntu, I always hated Ubuntu, the big tech distro, LMDE is fine, but the other distros that I tried, I can't name them because I forgot them, they all ran less than 5 minutes in a vm and got destroyed. Copy-paste useless distros.

makes a lot of sense, but wow, but why artix is pointless, it is basically arch without systemd... for me experience with systemd was always frustrating, and I'm so glad that I can now basically use arch and never ever touch systemd again. openrc or runit make much more sense

One thing Ubuntu gets better than Debian is their booting. It is aesthetically and practically more pleasant and fluid. But for all the rest, Debian is so much better. I couldn't go back to Ubuntu. Why Linux Mint, Kubuntu, Lubuntu and such are not in the useless tier? They are basically Debian with Cinnamon, Debian with KDE and Debian with LXDE/LXqT

I'm going to say this again. According to Chris Titus, Chris Titus is pointless as there are many other people he gets his knowledge from. We should just stop supporting CT and listen to the source, the OGs. Same like with those pointless distros.

Trolling or R-tarded....

Pointless video. Just my opinion. No mad.