Bro i gotta point sometjings out, you missed the fact that rage Goku one shotted blue vegeta, and then cooler shitted on him entirely, right? It was stated that they went both to blue immediately, then. He goes down to ssj2 with rage, then he shits on vegeta in one shot. Thats when cooler tired, out. So he just defeated a beyond blue level charecter. He didnt knock em out but he did knock em down and he didn't get up until the next chapter. Or he wasn't shown at least.

I fw you man. Just giving ya some extra info hmu on discord im hella knowledgeable on heros.

Chuck i say we need more cooler cause i feel after everything Golden Freeza is stronger for now But cooler is so close

I already miss the old one

But wasn't Dyspo still damaged or fatigued from his fight with Hit. Because the animators from the T.O.P always drawn Dyspo with scratches after his fight with Hit.

@DannyDaDuffyDucking Daffer SSJ 3 & 4 broly existed cuz of fan service.

I dont see the connection. Broly has a unique form due to genetics, Cooler kind of implied in the movies that he just figured out form 5, not that he was born with it unique to only him. Broly also has inexhaustable stamina, so much so that he'll explode if he doesnt let his energy out regularly while in LSSJ. Cooler has shown no stamina improvement over other members of his race...

Chille out mate! If you don't get what i mean, i will explained it in short. Broly OP - Broly LSSJ - Broly opposite of Goku - Cool and Buff design Cooler OP - Cooler 5th form - Cooler opposite of Frieza - Cool and buff design and so on...

@@yourbiologicaldaddy9784 So you meant it more like as a stylistic comparison. I can understand that, to a degree.

you got that right

TRUE

Very good choice my friend wait until I tell freiza ha ha he will be pissed

@@HavocMonkey No one: Absolutely No one: Frieza: Kk kk kk... 😤😩😠😡🤬🤬🤬

Agreed

@@thecosmiccompsognathus1817 What if Cooler had an older brother named (insert your idea)? 🤔

Cooler unlocked it through brotherly hate.

Frieza unlocked it with mental training only

@@Yrnsmoove No Frieza trained for 4 months, Frieza only unlocked True Golden Frieza through Mind Training

"If my brother trained 4 months to attain this form then i will train zero months to attain this form"

Cooler = stronger than Frieza originally Frieza = trains for four months and gets golden form Therefore it would end up the same cooler being stronger by a little margin

I see what did you there.

ka powertag dude really that’s from TFS compilations so u basically did copyright!!!

Ha I saw what you did there you made a abridged jokes

That DBZA reference you are s true fan

@@EmeraldX2 yeah that's the point, it was a reference

I always thought he was better and cooler than frieza no pun intended

And Cooler happens to be only egotistical, not an egotistical maniac like Frieza

Not only that, Cooler actually learned techniques from other people. Like instant transmission

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Old.

@Johnny Serrano Barraza your mom jokes are ded.

brrruuuhhhh 😂

Get new material dude

Anthony Alverio they should have at least allowed us to edit more of him to make him look Golden.

@@dracul691 you can

Calum the Ultimate sloth not enough though, you can only change the white to gold you can't change the purple.

Yea but a different color like sivler would be crazy

JR Reyes nah silver should go to frost and Cooler can be platinum.

picking up the soap ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡° )

Nani?!?!

@@TheKing-qz9wd that's not his tail bitch

@Ultra Yee LOL!!!

Picking up the Dragon balls

geek freak his golden form is like his 5th form but golden so I would guess golden 5th form Cooler > Golden 4th form Frieza.

Cooler has always been stronger than Frieza. But this video is not about who is stronger at the moment. This is about who has more potential... Of course Cooler is way more stronger is raw strength, but Frieza has potential in Ki control and all that "pew pew" Ki battle.

Cooler is stronger than Frieza in raw strength power, but Frieza is stronger with Ki power.

That would also increase stamina drain, which is already a problem for them since they dont do cardio or training of any sort, usually. Cooler would have to finish the fight VERY quickly, and I dont think there is enough of a power gap there to do that.

But, 5th form does not cause any stamina drain. It was also shown to offer equal power increase to that of a super space warrior. The reason Goku beat him was simple, Cooler forgot Sayains got stronger when they recover. He did not account for after Freezas fight, nor when he failed to kill him with his laser eyes.

Toriyama said the movies take place in alternate universes/timelines, so you're not wrong.

*triggered*

Michael B I think that’s true

Wait then he goes Super Saiyan!! LOL

He could've train on the prison planet when he was in his cell. We don't know how long Cooler was in there.

Facts

He must be ice cold

El Hermano xd

El Hermano will you appear in the movie XD

SCARLET COOLER

ahmed yasser yep! 😂 Then Rubi Cooler.

Kai Chen Cooler would be sick with a crystal armor after doing some forced evolution shit !

Power scaling usually never makes sense along with the Plot....

@@mergedsentry430 exactly

Thats in most fiction lol

Yeah, i wouldnt go that far. Especially not in Super.

Never made sense one moment base vegeta is a planet buster with one finger and the next moment recoome a straight up jobber is whooping his ass

Roshi has UI in the manga

@DannyDaDuffyDucking Daffer hes right

It's not Ultra Instinct. Its Pervert Instinct which is way stronger than UI

Banksi 😂😂😂

Freaking Toyotaro...

Yogesh Pillai He was not really lazy, he was so desperate to get his revenge.

Is that just fanfic or has it actually been retconned into the canon?

Yeah best to think of the forms like integers. The 3 supressed forms are the minus(-) states. The 4th true form is the 0 state which is bald Frieza form and the 100% baseform. Cooler's form would be in the (+)plus state. Which is interesting to me because it would seem they can theoretically apply gold to the surpressed forms if golden state is mastered in the 0 state or +State(Cooler's form) Though it's never shown or mentioned being accessible in the surpressed forms in the - minus states. So maybe it us unlikely that they could apply gold to these surpressed forms. Because they are well, surpressed. Even if it would work it seems it's likely to have an adverse effect on the surpressed forms rather providing an overall gain. Ki loss or Stamina issues. But perhaps that's how Frieza might have improved his after Resurrection F, by making incremental improvements by using Gold in surpressed forms to strengthen Gold when in his unsurpressed form is used. That would be cool if they put a little tidbit in some form of media in the DB realm on how he strengthened Gold, and this kinda makes some sense how I've sorta explained it I think.

It kinda works as an explanation on how he could have mastered Gold before the recruitment of the ToP. If he could have applied gold for a few minutes in those surpressed states and gradually increased that length of time over time in his negative state(s) it would have stabilized and perfected his use of Gold in his base state as it would actually be much harder to maintain Gold in surpression. If you can incrementally increase the time usage of the Gold multiplier in them, you would be perfecting its usage in unsurpressed form but the surpressed forms with Gold would be useless for fighting SSB and higher and explain why we'd never see them in the manga and anime. It also could serve as a vehicle for how Frieza could potentially achieve Cooler's 5th form in canon. If he were able to apply Gold to his most surpressed state for 1-2 minutes and hold it, perhaps it would explain how he accidentally stumbles upon the Cooler 5th form(+) and further his mastery of applying Gold to his 5th form. It would be cool if Frieza got it as an homage to Cooler if he never becomes canonized. At least the 5th form could be canonized via this method of explanation. And Frieza could skip right to Gold 5th form right of the bat. After all, that how we got Kale before we got Broly. Broly was an homage to Movie Broly, and her form is more like the non canon movie version than what DBS movie Broly's power is like. So I could see this as a workable solution to canonize 5th form. Ascended Frieza. Who knows, it might be what would trigger a new Cooler movie. Maybe it paves the way for a Canon Cooler.

So it would make sense this proposition, but if done this way would it make Frieza the Kale to his brother? His bro essentially becoming the Ikari Broly? If you're to lay the groundwork for 5th form through Frieza and canonize 5th form first. By the time you introduce Cooler, you can Broly-ize him and say that he could achieve those states just by having seen it. That what took hard work for Frieza, blood sweat and tears, new Cooler is a 'freak' like a LSS and can pick these things up just through observation. Introduce new Cooler not as someone Frieza despises or has a sibling rivalry with but the brother even he fears and dreads. Give the old non Canon Broly's bloodthirsty personality traits to new canon Cooler on top of ever increasing power and ability to easily pick up what his brother Frieza had to fight claw tooth and nail for.

I'd like to suggest that Cooler was so scary that King Cold had apparently had this new Cooler banished and executed out of fear of him being his and his blood line's actual downfall of his empire if he was allowed to live and have Frieza believe his Older Brother was long since dead. Only to find the shock his newly revived empire is in danger from Cooler on a rampage to kill his brother and is insane with bloodlust. Frieza encounters but through his wile and intelligence narrowly escapes his death at the hands of his insane brute of a blood thirsty brother, has no where else to turn to for help but those miserable disgusting monkeys back on Earth for help. He absolutely hates it, asking Vegeta and Goku for help, but explains Frieza had used his 5th form in Gold and could not beat him, hence his grovelling and that his brother learned that very form just by seeing it. That this is why he's pleading for the help from stupid Saiyan monkeys. Either way he knows if Goku can't defeat him, he can at least die right afterwards at least in a twisted way before his brother would kill him, someone of his kind put Goku and Vegeta down before he gets crushed. It would be a cool way to bring Broly in again telling him after he helps Goku and Vegeta, menacingly an exchange between him and Broly says after Cooler is dealt with he will be coming back to deal with Frieza next. Obviously that likely would not happen by movie's end because as usual the Saiyans are going to be pretty exhausted by the ordeal of whatever it took to put down Cooler. Frieza would have gotten out of dodge before it went all tits up anyhow.

Prince Vegeta he’s not talking about who would win in a fight he’s talking about which of the two has greater potential and is overall a better fighter.

Very hard question. Cooler is more powerful at the moment, and has more experience is battle at the moment, BUT Frieza seems to have hidden potential in him. There just is something about him you cant explain, if you know what I mean. You get that vibe from people in real life aswell when you can't really explain the reason, but you know what it is. This is pretty much same for Frieza.. Cooler has potential in raw strength power, but Frieza has more potential in Ki power. See there is a difference

@@joonashannila8751 I think cooler has higher potential Genetics can only take you so far frieza wants to be a Landshark and isn't that interested in fighting While cooler has much more motivation to fight

Why it's not like he would be smart enough to use it, he could have simply transformed and rekt Trunks but instead he tried to be all smart with the sword and lost his chance (in fairness though this is partly due to his dumbness and partly due to Trunks being pretty much the only hero in DBZ to actually kill a stronger opponent before he could power up :P).

Yeah I've noticed that too weird as fuck

Your not but I like it though however in the last video he sounded pretty weird

new mic

Maybe just a new mic?

it's a different person I'm pretty sure Chuck sold his channel

@DannyDaDuffyDucking Daffer huh no I said dec

Alls he saying is that new stuff is coming out for them soon so u might as well wait till cause its probably going to be irellevant soon

issa williams where’s the evidence ? If you can’t directly show me this information it’s Head cannon

@@dawizz98 Head Cannon? Dude if no shit assumptions are head cannon then fine cause like . 1 Cooler is obviously going to show more feats as his fight goes on and 2 Frieza Getting stronger from when the TOP Ended to the Broly movie. New things Are just GOING to come out about them.

Except db heroes remains to be on a level of ascended marketing that makes the series look like trash compared to even DBS. Cooler will never achieve a golden form in the canon timeline as he just doesn’t exist there (yet, maybe they’ll add him like broly idk)

i think the main argument for frieza is that in the ToP arc, he mastered his golden form and called it "True Golden Frieza", while Cooler only has the initial golden form (maybe?)

You're forgetting that according to Cooler (In Cooler's Revenge) Frieza is stronger than Cooler in all their forms, the only advantage Cooler had was that he unlocked the 5th form and Frieza didn't. *However* we also see in Revenge of Cooler that he isn't actually as strong as fourth form Frieza at 100% power (when compared to SSJ Goku), this means Frieza improved since their last fight and Cooler did not. "Golden Form" is a power up just like SSJ, if Frieza is stronger than Cooler when neither are using golden then Cooler cannot possibly surpass him by if both use the same power up.

The king Of Gods. Separate are out of question they stomp no did IDK Mayuri kurotsuchi

The ten commandments are strong in their universe but don't scale very well outside of their series. If anything the Akatsuki would feel like a better match up especially because of their commandments vs jutsu, and they can take a few hits at least.

Cell is technically part of Cold's family, so I'm gonna have to slap a big fat NO right there.

jamaine gardner I’m just trolling lol. But now I think about it. To be fair, King cold most likely get a huger multiplier in the 4th form more than Cooler. He might be a higher than even Metal cooler with like people say a power level of 10,000,000,000 Super perfect cell imo is like 78,000,000,000 higher than SSJ2 Teen Gohan. You may say he might not be at super perfect cell level but he’s close at that state. Golden Metal King Cold vs Golden Cell would be one hell of a crazy yet fun fight lol. Edit: Golden Metal King Cooler (Big Gete Star absorbed) for sure stomps even Golden Cell. Could literally clone a shit ton of mini version himself with the same power level lmao.

jamaine gardner cell is some cheeks he needed to absorb humans before he could even face yamcha lol

king emfj3201 true, Frieza may be a prodigy. But he had to work his ass off to try match or surpass Blue Goku in ROF. Cell is just lucky he got broken genes and absorbing others like you said.

@@ssgsscanadianhawk3339 debatable frieza and cooler create their forms to surpress themselves meaning king cold's form he has when trunks kills him might be his final base form. There is no saying telling that frieza didn't just create his second form based on his daddy like how golden frieza is kinda like a mockery on super saiyan.

Oh shit didn't realize i was top comment

True

You missed out some thing before the tournament frieza had another fight with goku they both tied basically both knocked eachother out

Never stated. At all.

Fuu would have said something while roasting him if Cooler had been training on his planet

ZekeAndroid49 Fuu did tell Cooler about Golden frieza off screen, so it just makes me think why is everyone assuming he was told so recently, rather than further back?

Jason Aaa The implications of Cooler finding Trunks suggests that Cooler was there before him, also Cooler is more knowledgable of the prison planet implying he’s been there longer

@@ZekeAndroid49 nope TALKING about thr manga and game. Nothing wad stated about that. And this arc is over in the game its the demigra assault arc now.

5th*

Debate me on discord nigga

Agreed

Pretty sure it was shown that in order for goku and beerus to be threatening the destruction of the universe both had to exhibiting equivalent power. Beerus of course still holding back but its been shown goku is casually a threat to Gods of Destruction strength especially post ToP

Zyxyx exactly!

You are wrong because goku in order to contend with him would have to exhibit equivalent force give or take it would be illogical to think that goku couldnt contend with beerus

Yeah, because he's *Cooler*

@@paulcastillo1880Hell Yeah

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Beerus is universal and it was stated that him clashing with Champa would destroy the universe. So wouldn’t that be the same with Goku???

Anarchy Acres Good point, remeber but who Goku from his last arc saga at Black saga wasn t so strong to surpass a hackaishin yet if not the start of the omen UI Goku he become one time stronger than Beerus and so use this form he complete this state and surpass Beerus.

The were going to Destroy EXISTENCE which includes the space time continumm. You could also See the space time Cracking With their punches

There is no evidence they could destroy existence. Space time was not cracking with their punches. The other universes were unaffected by this. What you said is headcannon

@@readthiscomment6748 nope Whis Said they were going to Destroy all of existance and you could even See the space time cracking. Please rewatch the episode.

Whis said that the attack was powerful enough to destroy the world. And there is no space or time cracking anywhere. Stop using headcannon.

@@readthiscomment6748 World can translate to all of existance. You can clearly See that the space time was cracking otherwise you Need to get your eyes checked.

Ssbe vegeta is wayy stronger than ssb x20 kaioken get it right

@DannyDaDuffyDucking Daffer bruh the guy mentioned dyspo at the beging of T. O. P and end which were 2 different stages of power gap between all characters

@@Yrnsmoove is not Wayyyy is sometimes stronger like max x10

Don’t forget y’all vegeta forms not for nun it somewhat rivals mui

Adam Evening which is incorrect because they were proven to be equally match with the one hit KO’s

I mean since frieza didnt train his whole life he got those fast gains which now he cannot do and he would gain normal power level as he trains like any normal fighter