Originally was uploaded on Seth's channel, but it had some problems and I wanted to fix it and upload it here instead. Hope you guys enjoyed! Also, for the people still denying that MSSJ>50x multiplier, even the Daizenshuu EX (w/highly knowledgeable dbdoods behind it) claims Goku wanted him and Gohan to reach a stage stronger than Grade 3 (when he showed it off to Gohan regarding its speed drawback). This CLEARLY means Grade 4 is not only better for stamina & energy consumption, but is in fact STRONGER than the buff and regular SSJ forms. www.daizex.com/guides/transformations/saiyan/ Not an appeal to authority, since we had already coined the El Manga Legendario guide as the main proof, this just backs it up even more.

It's crazy nobody can make a GT video without prefacing that GT is disliked by many.

What I really like about GT is, that Goku doesn't shit out new transformations all the time. It builds up tension when you know that Goku in the strongest form possible gets kicked around.

Blue might be stronger but SSJ4 is 100% better looking.

Have we been here before? I feel like we've been here before

but GT isn't cannon even if it was in the dragon ball super manga it still isn't cannon because I don't know what I'm talking about.

*Cough* more powerful than deathbattle thought *Cough*

I think SSJ4 isn't an actual SSJ transformation but complete mastery of the Ozaroo form. It's the true form of the Saiyan and by extension, a "base" form like SSG is. That's why it dosen't have nearly as much of a stamina drain as traditional SSJ forms. It hasn't been unlocked through hard training like a traditional SSJ transformation, but instead was acheived through the Ozaroo transformation/Blutz waves. The Golden Great ape might hint that SSJ5 could be a golden SSJ4, the true form of a Super Saiyan.

SSJ4 is the best transformation to me Toriyama really should take a look into that to give it more value

Man I love ssj4,to me it brought back the sadly forgotten great ape

Who here is tried of saitama vs goku or saitama vs goku vs superman

Vegeta mentions the reason that why SSJ grade 4 is so powerful is because the energy normally used to keep the form going can instead be used to enhance the attacks of the user, and training in this form instead of SSJ grade 2 or 3 makes training significantly less difficult because you aren't fighting to keep the form turned on or with massive and uncomfortable muscles which holds you back.

Bro in my opinion ssj4 is the best form the design is amazing goku and vegeta get more serious and the concept of the golden great ape in my opinion is great I just not really a fan of how vegeta got the form

In the gt book it says ssj4 takes the saiyan to its utmost limits, so if ssj4 becomes cannon it's gonna be op af, it's probably simaler to potential unleashed though, witch means it might justt be ssjb level sense gohans potential unleashed was ssjb level, however when combined with God ki it becomes limit breaker ssj4, witch is op af

Although I’m not a fan of GT, I can’t deny that this form was my go too in the Budokai Tenkaichi games

SSJ4 will be necessary plot wise if God Ki is somehow eradicated

Finally, someone who saw what we saw about the z warrior power levels back then. It's not that outlandish if you actually think about it. If a character gains a boost in power and it makes everyone Freeze in terror, it's gotta be more than 2x. One rule in Dbz is that everyone surpasses.

7:49 it dawned upon me that if there was one more saiyan Goku would've been a super saiyan god 😮

This is a great vid. Tnx for explaining the ssj grades and ssj4/ baby. Makes sense

Ssj4 is basically a perfected legendary super Saiyan form

Love or hate GT, SSJ4 Gogeta’s design is a gift from Zeno

I think that since Great Ape has a different version called Wrathful Saiyan, Golden Great Ape might have a different version called Wrathful Great Ape, and Super Saiyan 4 might have a different version called Wrathful Super Saiyan.

Thanks for these cool videos.

Watching this at work. 👌👌

Interesting, you know I actually wondered back in the day why they used the Super Saiyan sound effect when Baby fully takes over Vegeta. Also, just out of curiosity is it true that SSJ2 has also been referred to as SSJ Grade 5 in a guide at one point?

You know why SSJ4 is more powerful than you thought? simple, SSJgod blue is equal to Android 17, and SSJ4 is equal to Super 17, let that sink in.

awsome video!

Great video i always know super saying 4 is a lot more powerful then people give it so i am glad you made this video and i really like it

Actually, the Blutz waves are directly correlated to power bc Baby regained his full power through them. And if Golden Great Ape Baby and SSJ4 Goku were around the same ballpark since they were going back and forth, that would put Baby's GGA and Goku SSJ4 and 4 Million x base.

Ssj4 is way too underrated for how strong and badass it is, in terms of badassery and design ssj4 stomps everything super has to offer, even other super fans agree to this. And you really can’t deny it.

I was looking for this the other day, guessing it got copy striked and seems its down again but I'm watching it right now because I'm not sure I'll be able too later lol *Edit* it seemed to me the video was down because mabye i was so early when i refreshed his page it still wasn't there.

I love this form so much and I’d love it to be able to get on par with ssb in normal than in its powered form with ssb kaioken x20 (of course still not touching ui or mui in any way at all) but I’ve just gotta accept that it won’t be no matter how you look at it...

The idea of consequences for the actions of the main cast was a super innovative idea that GT tried out

*Needs to be brought into the main series somehow* *Since there's so much fanservice happening recently, why not?*

Good video

Still gonna watch the whole vid again lol 😂 fuckin love your content bro keep up the amazing work

Super Saiyan at least now should be 500x due to it being mastered, the original version should be 50 until trained thoroughly enough to increase the potential power output of Super Saiyan, which makes perfect sense why it would possess a higher multiplier.

Eventually this will all make sense for the die hard anime needs😪✨

This is a re-upload right? Sure I've seen this before Chuck.

Also... full powered super saiyan could easily be the same x50 multiplier but since goku and gohan can train together and know how to train efficiently, just upgraded their base powers so much that a x25 power (which is half super saiyan) could be stronger than what trunks attained..... and since goku and gohan never dropped out of super saiyan for vegeta and trunks to confirm if their base powers were weaker than those of goku and gohan.... it is kinda..... bold to assume grade 4 of someone is stronger than the grade 3 of the same person.... remember, they always compare forms like if the form was exclusive to the person that mostly uses it, they never compare them like if the same person was using them and comparing the power up it has on the same base power..... the worst mistake you can make while determining the power output of a transformation is comparing it with the transformation of someone else.... for example the fight between goku and trunks of the black arc, they compared trunks’ super saiyan two, with goku’s super saiyan 3 and said that his super saiyan 2 was as strong or even stronger than super saiyan 3.... like if goku was the only one that would have the ability to use the form.... trunks’ super saiyan 2 will never compete with super saiyan 3’s power out put because 3 multiplies over 2, it can compete with goku’s super saiyan 3 but if trunks turned 3 he would be more powerful than what he is at 2 always..... it is the same thing with grade 4 and grade 3, goku’s grade 4 had a power greater than trunks’ grade three.... but grade 4 DOESNT stack on top of grade 3 it is just grade 1 but with goku’s body adjusted to it, goku even said that he wouldn’t upgrade grade 2 or 3 but rather upgrade grade 1 for more effective combat ability, so goku can actually turn grade 3 and since grade 4 is his normal super saiyan his grade 3 would be stronger than his grade 4 doesn’t matter how much he upgrades grade 4, grade 3 multiplies over regular super saiyan which in case of goku is grade 4 and in case of trunks is grade 1.... so may be goku’s grade 4 was stronger than trunks’ grade 3 but grade 3 goku will be stronger than grade 4 goku due to grade 3 multiplying regular super saiyan... it is said in the show that grade 4 doesn’t evolve from grade 3 it is just a trained grade 1... so it is possible that goku’s base just got massively stronger, which would make sense since gohan’s base... was pathetic, being weaker than goku and if they both turned super saiyan the result would be the same since the both would have the same power up and it would end up as goku>gohan.... BUT! Gohan’s super saiyan grade 4 is stronger than goku’s even when he holds back.... so the only thing that could mean is that gohan’s base got so massively powerful that even a suppressed grade 4 gohan was stronger than a full powered grade 4 goku and if gohan’s base got more powerful, it would make no sense goku’s base didn’t get more powerful as well

they never used God Red much at all and just jump in God Blue. Prime Saiyan (SSJ4 of course) has been used a bit. the red aura seemed like a foreshadow that this form can unlock god ki. when SSJ4 Gogeta showed up it was all red and the aura is close to be a god ki level. years later DBS showed up and we have saiyan god same red hair but also pink skin and aura is a bit more red. it makes you wonder why people are making theories that SSJ4 Gogeta is a semi-god.

Random AF but..... Suavemente 💃🏾

What if there was an SSJ4 UI Goku??? Holy shit balls! That would be a dope ass transformation!!! 🤯

Good video., But I'm still waiting on 'Why Hercule is Stronger than you Thought'

I mean if we consider the different timelines in super that means gt by those rules could be canon what are your thoughts

In terms of Design of GT vs Super Transformations: SSJ4 (Although it doesn’t have the best aura, but my god THAT Tail, Body, eyes and Hair no homo looks BEASTLY. May not look godly but it represents the TRUE saiyan evolution of Great apes) > Ultra Instinct (Hair may be similar to God but better, colour more dominant, Aura is debatably better than SSJ4 and any other transformation) > Super Saiyan God (Aura looks Godly speaks within its name lol) > Super Saiyan Blue (Blue Lightning Aura just gives me chills the amount of power generated. FEELS!) Now if it was in terms of power with lowball defending for Super... SSJG < SSJ4 =< SSJB

Hey would I be right to say that ssj4 is a stronger form than mystic? If so could ssj4 be closer in power to ssg red then we originally thought?

yeah I thought I seen this uploaded before

They hate GT coz it has more adventures. But that's what make it special. It returned to its roots on what dragon ball is about. Searching for the 'DRAGON BALLS'. Even Goku returns to a small boy. 10/10 more appropriate series than super.

I still dont understand how people call DBZ anime canon...but GT isnt...but I still have yet to see an actual limit or set multiplier of ssj4

I still think that Grade 4 is just no stamina drain. And increase in power can be explained by their base power getting stronger. They just had to master Grade1 and the time that was left they used to better THEMSELFS (And yes, I don't believe that spanish guide.) While Vegeta and Trunks were trying to achive higher levels of ssj, Goku (who's had more experience with the form than Vegeta and Trunks) and Gohan just mastered Grade 1 and strived to better themselfs SSJ Grade 1 = 50x SSJ Grade 2 ~ 60x SSJ Grade 3 ~ 70x SSJ Grade 4/Mastered SSJ/SSJ FullPower = 50x SSJ 2 = 100x SSJ 3 = 400x SSJ 4 ~ 40.000x SSJ 4 FullPower ~ 40.000x SSJ 4 UltraFullPower ~ 400.000x SSJG ~ 400.000x SSJGSSJ ~ 20.000.000x SSJGSSJ Kaioken20x/SSJGSSJ Evolution ~ 400.000.000x

Aye my favouite transformation!!

Geez... dang it Death Battle, never doing ENOUGH research like Chuck. Now what about Super Saiyan God to Blue multiplier?

Hey here is a Suggestion for the next Power Scale: the entire Devil May Cry Verse, mainly the OG one and not that reboot....or whatever works for you.

Kinda strange how having control over golden azuru didn't turn baby into super baby 4... ehhh still the best gt arc :D Wasn't aware ssj4 was that much of a increase. Cheers man solid vid

1:32 love for italy💞 Love from italy to chuck

Not a 400,000 times multiplier it’s a 6 trillion Times multiplied the golden Ozark is 500,000 times multiplier

I just want to explain that the Goku that went SSJ4 in Heroes is not the one from GT. This Goku, AKA Xeno Goku, was created by the Supreme Kai Of Time to help Trunks hunt down Towa and Co. This Goku also has God ki for some reason despite never fighting a God ever in his life.

Ayee🔥🔥🔥🔥

Could you do a power scale of the Disgaea verse?

Easy to refute, you could argue that since Grade 4 relies on blending Super Saiyan into the consciousness of the normal state, that what upon initial climb indicates a ×10 boost on top of normal Super Saiyan, also gives a ×10 boost to base when the fighter goes back to his or her regular state, scaling it back down to 50× base power, otherwise it would make no sense for Super Saiyans 2 and 3 to be stated as 100 and 400× base would it? Besides it's now been revealed with Future Trunks's Strengthened Super Saiyan 2 in the manga that it's possible to literally strengthen the form to where it's as powerful as Super Saiyan 3 and it wouldn't surprise me if the form could be strengthened further, probably by a factor of 10× the original multiplication! My theory is that the Super Saiyan forms probably follow a multiplication pattern, so if Kid Goku's Golden Great Ape can be argued as a multiple of 10 from Super Saiyan, or perhaps from Super Saiyan 3 then that form could be anywhere from 500 to 4,000× base! Since Super Saiyan 3 is Goku's maximum I'm thinking that it's 4,000 but for arguments sake let's not assume anything, but navigate towards a figure based upon available data! Since the forms from Super Saiyan 2 onwards follow a pattern, 2 is twice Super Saiyan and 3 is twice that multiplication times Super Saiyan 2! What does that mean? Well assuming 4 follows the same pattern we would most likely be looking at Super Saiyan 4 being 8 times stronger than a Golden Great Ape boosted Super Saiyan 3, since it's a follow up of the Golden Great Ape and transcends the other Super Saiyan forms most likely in a particular pattern! That would give Super Saiyan 4 a 32,000× boost from base! Seems reasonable if you say Grades 3 and 4 are same but 4 is more controlled right?

Could you do a what if planet hulk happened on planet Vegeta or sadal. I find it interesting and it goes with the movie coming soon

I still prefer to call it Mastered Super Oozaru or maybe Primal Super Sayian, since it's technically on a different transformation branch than pure super saiyan

Great video Chuck, shame that people are going to just cover their ears and speak louder that you're full of it. 😒

The Ten Commandments from seven deadly sins vs the 10 Espada from bleach but the Ten Commandments can't use their commitments because they're just overpowered for example half of the Espada lie about being the strongest and the other half are filled with hate.

yeh Super saiyan 4 is the only think i liked about GT i actually like it more than SSb lol

Ssj4 is equivalent to Ssjg.The concepts are the same. This is a good video.

Damn, this entire video is basicly me while somking some goods

Yeah that's all nice and sweet but it's still not stronger than our LORD AND SAVIOR YAMCHA-SAMA!!!!!!!

SSJ4 can easily take punishment unlike the God forms and also adapt to abilities and techniques, so SSJ4 can easily learn/adapt to God Ki. SSJ4 is a evolutionary form and a very powerful one at that. Also the God ritual is based on that scene from GT where Pan, Gohan, Goten, Trunks was giving SSJ4 Goku energy.

You should Do a if dc was in the tournament of power video

could you say the 1000x bluzwaves ment he could use the form for 1000x longer?

power levels are bull s#%t!

Goku ssj4 = Ssj blue(ssj4 is a bit stronger) Goku ssj4 ultra full power = Vegeta ssj blue evolution

Goku Vs. Superman 3 with guest hosts Seth and Chuck helping Wiz and Boomstick get it right

This is now a comment after the video regarding my other comment now I wonder what is the Super Saiyan blue Goku's multiplier

Look, it may be powerfull but it still pales in comparison to SSB, i think it's more on par with SSG. Just my opinion.

My oc level of power Base form: galaxy level Ssj: 500x base form Ssj2: 1000x base form Ssj3: 4000x base form Golden great ape: 40,000x base form Ssj4: 400,000x base form Ssj god: ?????x base form Ssj blue: ?????x base form Ssjb kiaoken: ?????x base form Ssjb kiaoken times 10: ????x base form Ssjb kiaoken times 20: ????x base form U.I omen: ??????x base form MUI god knows how muchx base form

Now we have ultra full power super saiyan 4 limit breaker.

I think the super saiyan grade transformations refer to an addition multiplier so for example at 2:55, ssj1 is a 50x multiplier and then grades 2 and 3 add onto that, when you say that grade 3 is a 10x multiplier I personally think that it’s an addition to the ssj1 form meaning 60x base but it’s sacrifices speed so grade 4 is just the normal 50x with mastered stamina control because if it were the case to be a 10x multiplier to the ssj1 form then I don’t really see the point in the ssj2 and ssj3 forms and maybe even the ssj4 form when perhaps the grades could be mastered how the grade 4 ssj1 form was. (I’ve replied continuing my explanation)

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Super saiyan 4 is hyperversal duh

It's 80-100x SSJ3, or 32k - 40k x Base. If you include the MSSJ state, it'd be 320-400 thousand x Base.

so how are gt characters compared to super characters by strength?

I dont see why people count SSG Goku and Beerus fighting and almost destroying the universe a GOKU FEAT. It's not. It took TWO people at that caliber to pull that off. GOKU COULDNT DO IT ALONE. BEERUS COULD. I think most of the power was coming from beerus and Goku is not universal.

4000x power increased how high where they 😂

When your power up multipliers are more then your enemies power level

Cool

SSJ4 is 1.2x stronger than Ultra Instinct. This is a joke

Super sayian 4 > Ultra instict FIGHT ME

Why did you reupload this vid? Is it cause a lot of people didn’t see this vid before?

I remember Broku72's video about this topic.

Ssj4 still isn't stronger than ssgss

The seagull from that episode if GT should have been in the tournament of power

I was thinking, Golden ape baby vegeta was a Golden ape ss3? Like the hair stays the same as ss3

How's it going Chuck?

When is Seth going to do that Xeno Bardock power level scalling video?

Is this a reuploud?

Can’t wait till super sayan 10 where his hair is so big that it’s universal level

Don’t forget Saiyans get stronger after each battle or close to death experiences so after fighting baby then absorbing energy from the group