That's pretty much what I think about sharks.

In the end it is a simple concept that we complicate. (IMO anyway)

"Sharks killed dozens of us!" "And we've millions of them!" The shark-human relationship in a nutshell.

I had this exact conversation around the time the movie came out when I was trying to convince my Russian imperialist parents that Ukraine has the right to defend itself from us... This movie always will be extremely relatable to me.

i always got chills at that scene, still do

Definitely, it was always one of my favourite quotes, and it was so heartwarming! 💖

@@trinaq Right, when he said it at the end as the call back. The first two times not so much haha.

another favorite quote of mine is "Thanks for nothing, you useless reptile."

@@toothless3835 Puh-lease, I also use this and still remember where the intonations, so much so, that my brothers also say it

@@toothless3835 My friend and I also constantly just say this all the time. The whole scene of deadpan delivery by Hiccup.

Ya we really see the personality change through the dragons race to the age series, she also becomes an energetic friendly goofball when it’s something she’s passionate about like when she wanted to give everybody a pet dragon as dragon eggs for snoggletogg, but them turned into a rage ball when she found out that the eggs explode when they hatch, or her disgusting drink, but nobody will dare not badmouth it, not even stoic.

That is a fun thing about Astrid. She's always known who she is, but now we see her without the burden of thinking that her life is going to one long battle. She has a dragon, she has her dorky boyfriend, and she's free to just enjoy herself. No more fretting over a never ending war with the dragons.

And it's pretty realistic too, considering that change literally happen to me after i went through my anger issues :D

I know. Although I initially didn't like Astrid, she became my favorite character next to Hiccup during the climax of the first movie.

I think part of it is how Hiccup's perspective changes. At the beginning he views her as this badass hot and cold girlboss but later she starts showing him her more sensitive and emotional side so his perspective changes

This is such an interesting take and I have literally never heard anyone else say it

omg that is so true how did i not think abt it this way-

I’m gonna be honest, this is a take that is halting you straight in the face, but that you don’t immediately see.

Why would you do this to me??

@@MissMisnomer_ i have also never heard this and holy

Yeah, I can relate to that, having just lost my grandma recently and suddenly. I wasn't too close to my grandma, I didn't see her often so I'm not doing too badly, but my Mum has been devastated, and she feels a horrendous amount of guilt that shew wasn't able to say goodbye and see her one last time.

@@RJALEXANDER777 that’s exactly what happened to me, but my mom was really close D:

I read that as ‘that stoic dies’ and was like oh ok then

It's also a lot more relatable, I feel. A lot of people don't get the chance to say those heartfelt last words to their loved ones. It's the way I lost my mom, a police officer told us to call a number in the city she was in and that's how we found out. It was... shocking, to say the least. And I think more people can understand that than even having last moments with someone they cared for, unfortunately. It's possible I'm wrong though, but that's usually how I hear it, especially within the family, if that makes sense.

Yes!

Given that his wife was one of those dragon-loving vikings its actually pretty safe to say that he probably knows what that looks like.

@@niyah0806 Fair point!

I feel like it's a gay joke XD

@@firefeather9999 Not really a joke, more of a reference.

@@firefeather9999 wait.. oh my I never thought of it like that XD so true!

You're so welcome. Thanks for watching!

Same, I even knew it was coming bc of ur comment but it still got me tearing up😢

if you have a good/decent relationship with your parents and you think it's safe to do so, you can always try initiating from your side. i was early-20s when i realized my parents never said those words or initiated physical affection anymore but that i had also stopped giving it to them. so after fam dinner one day i stopped to give both my parents a hug and a "love you." spooked them a bit i think, coming out of nowhere. i think they thought i was going to do something to myself. (depression/anxiety wahaha.) i've done it every dinner since and now they're always coming to me to make sure we get our hugs in.

Yes

Thank you for being KZfaq Dad's.👍

I agree with a minor change. Hiccup is exactly like his mom who Stoick thinks has been carried off and killed by a dragon. He doesn’t want to lose his son the same way he lost his wife. But we find out later is that he didn’t lose his wife because of the dragons but because he never listened to her.

Holy- BRO I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT

@@silverwind9906 i didn't until watching this episode

And then the axe proceeds to dissapear from the movie after the the first training montage.

Doesn't it get blasted by Stormfly?

@@ascaredmilipede7971 me and my to-do list in a nutshell

lmao accurate tho

Such a dad thing to do.

My guess is that he wanted to cheer you up a little with a stupid joke.

lmao 🤣😂

i love this so much. thanks to your dad!

I also love how they don’t ignore it either. In one of the specials hiccup gives toothless a new tail for more Independence

There is also the fact that both Toothless and Hiccup didn't fitted on their respective society. That is a fine touch

EXACTTLLYYYYYYY my fav disabled rep cuz hiccup kicks mad booty

Yes! Exactly! As a person with a disability can confirm. And more often than not accommodations are hard to get.

Yes!! And so often in media if characters suffer some kind of accident like Hiccup's they eventually just end up back to "normal", because in tv or movies there's no real consequences, and they don't even consider disabilities, but with Hiccup and Toothless not only does it happen, but it actually adds to the story and the characters! Amazing!

I read somewhere that a movie that was made for kids but adults can still enjoy and think about is a truly memorable movie. HtTYD is perfect in that kids can enjoy it, but the themes of parenthood, parental relationships, friendship, self understanding and understanding of others are themes that kids may not pick up on consciously, but adults can and do.

I know. I felt it like a full body tingle at that turnaround. It was beautiful.

The ironic echo, the payoff, the way he turned his own words on their head to show love and appreciation to his son in way that is apologetic, while it also builds him up where he used to tear him down. That's what I call incredible writing.

@@tiffanypersaud3518 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fZxlo9mmuay2j3U.html

Omg lmaoo yes!!

Also I can imagine how it felt for people with a disability to see a character not give up and be able to adapt to his injury

@@starrsmith3810 yes!!! The representation there is So cool

I remember reading an article at the time this movie came out, talking about how they weren't sure how audiences (especially kids) would react to it because, y'know, "omg, a disabled main character". They did a test screening, and found that the kids understood perfectly what had happened, and viewed it as "Now he and Toothless are the same and complete each other". I always thought that was lovely and I will continue to die on the hill of "Don't underestimate what kids can comprehend".

I liked that too. :)

@@LittleHobbit13 This. We as a society really need to stop dumbing things down for kids because kids just straight up aren't dumb and don't need it.

He was modelled after a cat

I think it’s kind of a mix of both cat and dog but more like a cat! Throughout the movie it shows the dragons liking Dog activities too, like rolling around, prancing through the grass, loves the scent of grass, loves belly rubs (unlike cats) and the hyper-hearing and hyper-smell!

I also should mention the movie "The Neverending Story" Falcor is a giant dragon/dog

@@jarhead98gaming my cats love belly rubs and the grass was the equivalent of catnip

@@mikepeterjack2132 same! my cats love belly rubs! but that's bcs they trust me completely, cats that do not like belly rubs are cats that don't trust the person providing them.

Our pleasure!

This episode especially touched me; first time I've cried during a Cinema Therapy vid.

They got me too😢

Honestly me too 🙁

I know a few parents who won't like this one 😂

Yeah same here (glaring daggers at stubborn mom’s 😠😠😠

MY MOTHER. Thank you, CinemaTherapy! I needed that and appreciate that so much!

Yup, agree with this. It's a stereotype but it's not an entirely inaccurate one haha there's a lot of Scottish parents who are still very much like this.

@@dottyxpeaches all stereotypes come from a place of truth so...

@@nikosfilipino Not all of them. Many come from biases that don’t come from truth but from lack of understanding.

@@nikosfilipino actually some are flat out lies

@@nikosfilipino For example; Asians are good at math. This stereotype comes from the idea that since Asian students spend 99% of their energy on their studies and 1% on anything else, that they should be good at every subject - but math is the stereotype because math is a universal language.

You're very welcome.

@Maxx Rice I think Stoic loves axes in general and wants his son to mirror him. Plus I think it fits quite well in this situation to further show how Hiccup doesn’t fit into the dragon slaying lifestyle. Makes him look more incompetent at the start.

Swords are not as good as axes against armoured targets like men in mail or say dragons...

@@rajivdosa the axe is more versatile than either of those, it is both a crushing and a cutting tool. Maces are rare in history and the modern idea is largely fantastical. With a hammer you break bones and armor, but you can't deal with flesh. Swords deal with flesh, but don't do well against armor. Axes or spears are the best for dealing with large dangerous creatures like dragons.

@Maxx Rice Stoic has always been so strong that he can swing an axe like it's a pocket knife, maybe he thought that hiccup would have that same strength if he fought like his father.

@@adaelion3772 spears are easily the best weapon, they're light af, you can stay far out of the reach of your enemies, pierce flesh and armor as if they're the same and throw it long distances to hit a fleeing dragon.

And in the flashbacks stoic never wanted to kill them and locked them up in the hidden world because he personally just hated them like yes he disliked them because they were stealing the food and burning the village down and carried of his wife but he more wanted to seperate the worlds for Vikings and dragons to have a better life

@@beans7348 Because his responsibility as chief is to his people as a priority. Killing all the dragons would at best be a means to achieve that priority or at worst, an irresponsible selfish desire.

@@viktoriyaserebryakov2755 yeah he basically never actually had a want to kill them he just wanted to protect his people

We don't learn about that until the second movie though.

Shiiiiit this thread is so good!

Same I cried so hard because it’s so true and it hurts. Although I may not hear it from my actual dad at least I can hear it from my KZfaq Dad’s

fellow disabled person here, it’s amazing how often we see either “the disability is the greatest challenge they face” and “the disability gives them some kind of special advantage” in media. it was SO IMPORTANT for me as a young kid to see characters simply have a disability and be treated and seen as equals, but also have people understand when they need certain tools or extra help to get there. equity, baby!

In addition, he lives in a community where losing a body part is not a big deal. Gobber lost a tooth, hand, and a foot; and he is Stoick's right hand man. There is also Bucket in the TV series. He have his quirks but still a value member to the community like whenever his bucket hurt his head that means a storm is coming (I think that's how it goes) and everyone listen to him.

As a fellow disabled person I loved that not only were there multiple disabled characters but that they are portrayed in a respectful way which rarely happens in films especially children’s films

I’m not disabled, and this never occurred to me- I think this is a prime example of representation done correctly, though feel free to rebut if you disagree, you have a perspective I can not view though the lens of. Your comment made me happy, thank you for posting :)

@@NicholePV no fully agree with you. i talk about it all the time, how disability is so we represented it a kids movie of all things. this series is truly one of my favorite pieces of film, it’s truly beautiful

I like how you can basically forget about it, until he like throws his prosthetic or something. And it is shown as a slight hindrance, but it’s something that can be adapted to. As a person in a wheelchair I enjoy that aspect of it

@@chancewells4083 precisely! Like its not shied away from but it's also not blown out of proportion either.

Exactly

Facts FaCtS FACTS!!!

It also doesn't hurt that Hiccup has Gobber to help him in that regard. It's been statistically proven that a recent amputee can actually heal better if they already knew someone who is now a fellow amputee beforehand. It has something to do with knowing you're not by yourself in that situation. And that's not getting into how his village just sees it as part of their way of life.

Wish granted.

That's why Stoic is such a gem. He actually was a loving father and husband and good friend. But he was sadly forced suddenly to be a single, "widowed" father unsure how to approach or raise his son that was more brain then brawn(Hiccup takes after his mom). He towards the end finally does come around and admits his mistakes. Through the tv series their improving relationship is showcased and tackled often. Then by the time the second movie hits they are very close and when tragedy takes away his father it really effected poor Hiccup even after Hiccup took his place as chief. But in the end of the day Stoic played a huge role in who Hiccup became.

Absolutely agree! Stoic may have been closed minded in the first film, but he had reasons, including the trauma he experienced personally, the traditions of his community, and the responsibility of keeping his people safe. Yet Hiccup opened his eyes to how he was wrong. Also, Stoic isn’t always wrong as well. He was correct about the antagonist in the second film. Hiccup was right in the first film, but his father from experience as a leader and strong instincts and discernment, knew that peace would not be obtained sadly by negotiations. It just shows that sometimes our personalities and knowledge are suited for some situations, but in others it’s important to learn and listen to those who may know better in that instant. It reminded me of the beauty of people being different, and how we need each other to grow and learn, especially through healthy conflict.

@@Andrea-iw9gh Couldn't agree more. In that case Stoic spoke from his near death experience with the baddie as did his wife. It was a very difficult lesson for our boy Hiccup but in the end he became exactly what his father saw in him: a heart of a chief with a soul of a dragon.

In the book, Stoick the Vast has no desire to banish Hiccup and practically begs not to but actually ends up banishing him albeit reluctantly because the law is that you banish the kid who fails to train a dragon and it’s seen as a law of the gods though Stoick is relieved to readmit Hiccup into the tribe when the people need him to save Berk. And in the sequels, it’s revealed that everyone is named by a female Soothsayer called the Name Dame and when she calls a baby Hiccup she means that he’s a runt and should be discarded (abandoned on a mountain where he may or may not be eaten by Sky Dragons) and Stoick knew that but chose not to do despite Viking law and tradition and kept it a secret from everyone else including Hiccup and after it’s exposed Stoick admits that he did that and would do it again in a heartbeat (despite being severely punished for having done it, by being enslaved for it). Stoick in the books is a much more comical figure than in the movies they inspired but the fact he cares about Hiccup is indisputable. In fact, in the second book, How To Be a Pirate, Stoick is obsessed with getting the lost treasure of Grimbeard the Ghastly and practically goes mad from his greed but he still sacrifices his chance at getting the treasure he wants to protect Hiccup.

This is the exact argument I try to explain to people now. I feel stuck in not being able to recall or even process or share any parts of my childhood without someone butting in or demonizing my parents and that's a big part of it- they were just people. they did what they thought they should and they tried but they had ups and downs and Gabe up sometimes and made mistakes and had their own philosophies and ideas and my life isn't over for it- it won't define me if people just wouldn't define me by it- and it doesn't truly define all that I am and it is survivable. it isn't everything my parents were. a big part of growing past your past is understanding and learning to live with it as part of you without using it to define who you are. it doesn't have to be forgiveness but you can find peace and even build back relationships once you process it and grow. I see so many people cutting everyone put over anything right away and then seemingly hurting over it and harboring it childishly and refusing to let go and it doesn't have to be that way.

Oh wow I didn't notice that! That really is a beautiful detail. ❤️

It's little details like that. They really matter

Read it as the part came

We're so sorry for your loss and glad that we could help in your healing journey in our small way.

Have 2 black cats, can confirm!

Yeah he was based off of a panther, a house cat, and i think a dog, idk im going to have to relisten to creators comments at the start of forbidden friendship

Seriously, my cat's nickname is My Little Night Fury

Not like everyone of them. He doesn't piss on everything you own

@@hypnoticskull6342 in my experience its orange cats that commit piss crimes

YEE. AMEN.

No truer words were ever spoken

YES

As a Scot I can tell you you got the we have company put on the sweetness parents, don't get me wrong it's a generalization that all Scottish parents are strict but it's very much a inward and an outward situation inward usually follows the child following the parent and deviations are frowned upon the simplest example is a son supporting the same football team as his father for no other reason than it's my dad's team, but as you witnessed there's also the outward family as well which is the leniency and sweetness

@@LewisJohnI hope the two see these responses to their question about Scottish parents and pin this thread to the top.

Sounds like my dad

Best quote of the episode

Yes! Me too, I can't stop crying..

i had a conversation recently with my mom about how when i stop letting her and my family's opinions of me get to me i'm a lot happier. Things such as how i dress, look (weight or hair) or act, etc. She basically said that my confidence is great, but she was raised to have a certain mindset about things and she will never change. It broke my heart to hear that she wouldn't even change a little for her daughter, but I guess that means i'll have to continue to work on being happy with myself and not needing anyone's validation on my choices. Hearing my new youtube dads say these things really got to me ^_^

I actually did cried when he said I am proud of you. Didn’t expect that to happen!

he uses a dagger, not an axe

He throws to the side his helmet, not an axe.

Did you notice that Hiccup says "I did this" when he finds Toothless in the woods, and Stoick says the same thing when he finds Toothless at the end.

‘Forbidden Friendship’ is my favorite track :) So uplifting.

You're not ! The best !

Look at the vid made by sideways. It's a damn good music analysis.

@@dotunderscore for me it’s ‘Test Drive’ when it reaches that climax 👌🏻👌🏻

Likewise, the soundtrack was always my favourite part. Just like in "Harry Potter" or "ET", it's whimsical and playful, and transports you right into the world of the story.

One of my favorite scenes is where he's like a dog is at the end when hiccup wakes up and toothless is just sitting there just like vibrating like a dog

I agree with this and i'd even go as far to say he has some very human moments. Theres a specific moment my mind drifts to after reading this and its when hiccup is holding onto toothless, but toothless takes it a step further and walks to the edge of a clift. That stunt he pulled gives me the vibe of that one friend that will protect you as often as they will mess with you.

Oh yes, toothless is a cat for sure.

I remember someone pointing this out, semi sentient dragons are portrayed as house cats normally, they aren't inherently malicious e.g. if a fire breathing cat the size of a house started using you're village as a scratching post you'd be scared even though they didn't mean to hurt anyone

Not just dogs and cats, but I think Stormfly seems to give off sone birdlike mannerisms. The head bobbing, could definitely see her as a huge, fire-breathing chicken.

I actually think he did feel like he made a mistake, but I agree that he didn't feel that the mistake was the fact that he felt Hiccup's decision ran so contrary to what he thought a son of his should make. I think good parents always feel responsibility for how their children turns out, and when a child turns out "wrong" the parent's first instinct is "how did I steer you wrong? What mistake did *I* make to lead you astray?" Further, the clip is not shown in this video but there was a whole scene between him and Gobber where Stoick was just worried about Hiccup and wanted to help him realize his potential, and Gobber talked him into letting Hiccup attend dragon training. His son's well-being actually mattered more to Stoick than anything else, and the last thing he wanted was for his son to be in pain. I think the mistake Stoick realized he made was that he had personally hurt his son terribly by implying that the way his son is had been Hiccup's own fault, when actually Stoick felt accountable for the way Hiccup turned out. So it was more like "You ARE my son and I failed you so now you won't be okay, AND I hurt you even further by thoughtlessly claiming you're not my son because I am panicking and don't understand what has happened to you." I think that bit of animation with Stoick's face not only showed that he was stunned by his own actions, but that he was genuinely frightened by what he felt has happened to his son. It's not unusual for parents to act angry and intimidating in the heat of the moment when their child does something that endangers their well-being and scares the parents, even if it's not the child's fault. Stoick had every reason to worry that his son's attitude towards dragons would put Hiccup in danger in the future.

Yeah I didn't see it as a "I made a mistake" moment, either. Else he would have turned back and apologized to Hiccup and made it right. I saw it more as he was sad that his son had chosen that path and sad for the break in the relationship.

@@randomlifeunit He’s staggered by the fact that he just disowned his only son it’s one of the few spins on the “air revealed” trope/cliche that makes it fresh, by having Stoick and Hiccups’ interactions carry it to a different emotional level.

Yes, I did not see that as a realisation of making a mistake, as we know, Stoic is an honest man and he would have corrected himself had he come to that realisation. It seemed obvious to me that as a stoic it was difficult to do what he did but could not show it until he was out of sight. At most perhaps he might have felt he might have gone a little too far but I didn't see anywhere where he may have faltered in his duties or priorities.

@@mckenzie.latham91 Hiccup looked like a traitor to him and as chief he has a responsibility to his people above his own feelings. He certainly didn't think he made a mistake.

Do you live in the highlands? In my experience it’s not misrepresented at all.

@@circadianite Grew up in Fife but my family is originally from Orkney. I not saying it doesn't exist, but there's also a large amount of variety depending on which part of Scotland you're at

@@misterwishart I live in Scotland and it's not at all like that where I am, although I know people who grew up in the Highlands and their parents weren't like that particularly so it's definitely a bit of a misrepresentation

I read that in a scottish accent and it was as great as the comment itself.

I don't know, I don't live in Scotland and I've never gone, YET, but my family is from Scotland and this definitely resents my older relatives. at least in the way that, yes its exaggerated for entertainment however I really do see my family in it.

Wow, thank you!

Worthwhile research 😉

Toothless is definitely both. The way he basically wags his tail when he comes out of the Alpha’s mind control at the end of HTTYD 2 is proof of that

As someone owned by 3 dogs and 4 cats and 1 kitten, I agree. Toothless is a kitten, though my kitten is very bitey right now, and climbing on my shoulder.

They referenced both dogs and cats for toothless. There's a scene in the christmas movie where one of the animators recorded their cat's reaction to tape being on their tail as an animation reference. while a lot of toothless' tongue animations are clearly pulled from dogs. The fun thing is those aren't the only animals used. They actually based a good number of his movements off horses. And not just saddle riding scenes. The famous hand-touching scene was based on an actual horse movie. It's why he does the uninterested snort at the end.

Im sure its cat and dog, when the third movie came out my dog was PINING for some female dog in heat in the neighborhood and acted exactly like toothless when he is enamoured by the Light Fury. lol All the racket, and the movement and the noises and not letting us sleep. Frame for frame lol

Absolutely. Im definitely this type of person where I try to deliver affection based on how someone needs it. As a person who hugs people a lot, I dont think anyone ever realizes how much boys are deprived of that tenderness. So many guy friends I had when they finally realized I was hugging to help them and being genuine, you could feel them kinda break down and melt in your arms. It was the kind of love I gave. A few guys could copy it and redirect it to me when I needed it. But its very important to show that kind of deep emotional acceptance and affection. Sometimes when people dont like being touched you do it without touching but that emotion still needs to be there.

Also you can hear a different version of stoick and valka’s song in the background. Which makes the scene even more emotional for me

How beautiful said!

I never noticed that because I tend to be sobbing too much during this scene. It really gets to me every time because I lost my dad too and it keeps tapping into that raw emotion of loss... Anyways, thanks for pointing it out. It makes the scene so much more delicate and now I get the text she says right after that touch too.

Tangentially related: Do they ever mention her name in the series, because the name of Hiccup's mother in the books is pretty incredible.

YAs

😂

Hiccup wouldn't like the princess life, Merida didnt get to do shit under Eleanor and neither would hiccup. He doesnt want to kill dragons but he is hard to contain and is just as hard headed as his father.

I think merida would loveit and hiccup would hate it.

@@carloguerrero6583 just wanted you to know your comment was translated into English by Google 😭 into mourning

I always loved how Hiccup is still masculine and “manly” but in a much more gentle way. We never really see that in main characters even if they are women, they tend to be very masculine, aggressive and self assured. Hiccup has no idea who he is, is very gentle and caring while also being very cool smart and a skilled warrior. Great.

Especially since his mother is not really around.

It's usually because they have the ability to nurture (like a father). You need both sides though. It's the man's role to take on the hardships for his family, so they may be safe and prosper.

@@jgeorge4919 yes that's why he is my crush since a little, he can be masculine in a gentle way And i still don't get it why some people mad of masculine things while some man can be both masculine and gentle

What about Eugene/Flynn from Tangled?

You're welcome! Always have tissues nearby. 😭

It is good that they made Stoic's motivations entirely reasonable: it would have been all too easy to go down the senseless prejudice route. It goes to show how even good, sensible people can become hateful or hidebound by bad experiences - and how they can be brought back to themselves by kindness.

@@Stolanis I agree, but there is definitely a realistic place for the opposite too. Most people I know who hate Muslims and trans people don't actually know any. When I offer to ask a Muslim friend to come over and hang out, they freeze and act like I just said "I can throw a bucket of spiders on you!" or something. A good chunk of bigots are bigots through indoctrination, not experience.

We also find out his Wife Is Alive.

Yes, especially because we see how seriously he takes his chief duties ("I have a village to feed" or "chief has to be of service to his people"). It´s clear that he takes hard death of any of his fellow villagers, not only because Berk is relatively small village and he most probably knew all those people personally, but also maybe sees it as his failure as a chief (I failed to protect my people), so he tries even harder to prevent another loss... which, in this case, meaning even harsher measures against dragons (such as they could do). And maybe that is partially the reason he wanted his son to be the best dragon killer in the first movie - he clearly wanted Hiccup to succeed him, but he wouldn´t make him a chief if it put his village at risk, which means he had to be good at handling dragons (which he ultimately did, just not in the way Stoick imagined).

Sokka if aang was a dragon

Yes!! Like, that would show such a good example for children and teens

true!! i adore that so much. he's obviously very intelligent but it isn't his whole personality. he is tough but also compassionate and extremely loyal

You watch avatar? :DDDDDDD Edit: (the last air bender)

I owe Hiccup so much, I know it sounds insane to say something like this about an animated character, but it's true. He's a hero who triumphs through being compassionate, loyal, and creative. And a hero who experienced so much loss on his journey but never complained, and never stopped being faithful to his values and friends. A great role model for younger and older viewers.

Which is also why in the sequel after a couple year time skip, you see their relationship vastly improved to where Stoic is now Hiccups biggest fan and supporter. The end of this movie taught Stioc how to understand, listen to and respect his son, the years in between (the tv series included) gave them time to patch up old wounds, the new integration of dragons into the village gave them something to work on together and bond/connect over. Their personalities haven't changed but they have found common ground and it's portrayed in such a natural way

oof that one part about wanting a bond 100% my dad except that he apparently don't care about the person that I am I can only assume he wanted another ideal version of a son that I will never be assume, because he never actually talks to me, he say things sometimes but we never actually talk I bet he'd love to bond with that ideal son me, unfortunately not so much took me a while to understand this and stop trying

I also thought it was funny that Hiccup and Stoick's helmets were a matching set from the mother's breastplate. The helmets looked nothing alike :D

@@reikun86 And I don't think they fit Valka.

@@matheussanthiago9685 You find that common ground you needed and try to walk it with him, and he wants to walk there... just not with you.

same

Mood 10/10 i cried too x'D

same

same…

me too

I sit here and think if maybe I had you guys I'd be better I feel like I'm a bad person

@@kingstew4903 no one is a bad person by nature. not you, not me, not anyone. it's habits we learn from others that make us self-destruct. what's important is reminding yourself to do better. not for another person's benefit but your own. I struggle almost daily doing what needs to be done as a new dad, but I try. You need to try before you can succeed. So no, you aren't a bad person, you're just stuck in a bad mindset but that isn't you.

@Gary Gallimore man I really appreciate what you said most people online are just mean or whatever I like to think back to the hunk video they did the only thing I can control is my reaction

@@kingstew4903I hope you’re doing better now, hon.

@Kristita_ I'm not sure but I'm hanging in. The words you and @Gary Gallimore said really helps and I appreciate you guys so much for helping someone random

As someone who grew up in a fundamentalist christian family, i feel the same. My parents never accepted my atheism and i haven't seen most of my family in 20 years. To them, i am Satan's puppet...

I'm so sorry to hear that, but on the other hand: Satan's Puppet is a bitchin' band name, so...

@@caligo7918 At some point in your life you need to ask yourself the question "is my parents' religion mine? Have i made it my own?" In my own personal experience, I made it my own and I stand by it 100%. While I don't agree with my fellow peers who left, I have to have that respect for their decision; for their right to free will. I think it's also important to remember that this perceived hatred for your decision is stemmed from love. As Cinema Therapy brought out in the prince of egypt episode, people cannot inherently hate someone unless there was love attached to it. Your parents love you but to them, you're making a morally wrong decision in their eyes. While you need to come to your own peace, try to understand things from their perspective. Doesn't mean you have to agree, but try to understand.

@@nikosfilipino Guilting and shaming, cutting contact, pressuring and excluding your own child because of their choice of faith that hurts no one is not an act of love. Don't defend this person's parents. What they are doing is wrong, prejudiced, and cruel. "tHeYrE dOiNg It BeCaUsE tHeY lOvE yOu" is what abusers say to justify themselves.

@@anonymouse8124 while i agree, i feel as though there are a select few that genuinely do love the people they're abusing. That doesn't make what they're doing right it just means they need fucking help XD

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Woah,, well fuck! 😀

to me hiccup knowing that his father only revealed how distant he felt to him, due only to what hiccups knows is a lie was always the gut punch.

I find the kind of parents that can’t connect with their child without having a common interest are getting a major part of parenting wrong

Yes!!n ✨🕺

::laughs in child of divorce::

hello pfp twin

And it's incredibly frustrating when people who have been away, and not seen that growth, only witness the fuckups. Nothing is more gut-wrenching and destroying to one's character than trying so hard to be something less terrible, doing good then slipping up and getting people tearing you apart for it. There's an incident that recently happened in my life that cost me a dear friend (or rather, at the time that I THOUGHT was my friend,) and our middle friend just treated me like nothing had ever changed. It was frustrating, still is, even after a year's worth of time. She never saw my growth and instead of listening to me, she just chose to chastise me over it. It took weeks for my wife and family to console me, but there are still times when it pops into my head and I think "I could have avoided it all if I had done _this_ instead." It's still hard though, because at what point does the 'change' make you something you're not? That was one thing I had to explain to my friend, too, just "I CAN'T change anymore. I can't become something I'm not, I can't _lie_ to myself, and be this ultimate, sweet person that you want me to be, because then I won't be ME, I will be the ideal that you want of me." Something has to give, and it can be extremely hard to recognize how far you have changed, for the better, and remember that if all you're doing is changing because a small group of people want you to, instead of yourself, it's not a change for the better. I'm not perfect, but I'm also not _mean_ anymore, for the sake of being aggressive because I see everyone challenging me. That alone has been a difficult journey, and it's taken many, many years that I've struggled hard with it. I'm blunt, which also doesn't help, plenty people see what I type and hear what I say as an 'attack,' if they're on the sensitive side, and it's been tough to realize "you don't have to be cold, because they're not out to get you."

empty words are arguably worse then negative ones

A similar quote I've heard before is, "an apology followed by 'but' isn't a real apology." Because obviously if you're ready with an explanation as to why you actually shouldn't have to be sorry, then you aren't sorry at all.

While I partially agree with you, changing yourself is HARD. Getting rid of bad habits/flaws of caracter is a bit like fighting addiction. You fight hard to do little steps,everyday is a struggle and sometimes you end up giving into the urges. Change is important and needed. But it's not that easy for everyone. And you aren't with that person all day and cannot see the "little steps" that person is making. I know that some people don't bother to change and I'm not talking about those people. Just, give it time. If you can't then parts ways. People break a lot of promises. Doesn't mean they aren't trying.

Literally.

Lol my dad never says it, but with me, that’s how he acts.

My dad used to say that too

Your thoughts didn't matter though, you were the progeny. My father said this shit all the damn time whenever myself or my siblings tried to speak back. Even if we were right, that's not the point. The point is respect for one's betters.

@Vanikerch Actually you can have benevolent dictators, and being honest that would be the best form of governance ever. A single decisive action from a government with the citizen's interests in mind. But in practice, the best you can hope for is Augustus Caesar giving out gifts to the common people while stabbing his fellow elites to stay in control. And you could easily end up with the current Austrailian Government.

@Vanikerch You were a CHILD!!!!!!! Side note, I fully disagree with Dictatorships cause humans can never do them right and for the reasons you give, but you can have a dictator who puts the citizens first instead of using them as a labor force. Back to the child bit. As a child you are not mature enough nor experienced enough to make your own decisions. That is different to a government taking away your freedoms and privileges. Until you are eighteen you have none.

Love this!!

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Found the D&D nerd.

This, yes please

When the skill points you put into “flying” actually come in handy once.

lol. There HAS to be real people who have said that.🤣🤷🏻‍♂️

@@joshgellis3292 there are... But it being in Toy Story and said by Barbie always makes me smile

@@joshgellis3292 Uh, Thomas Jefferson?

I cannot tell you how happy this makes me! Thank you so much!

as Scottish is in my blood, the challenges I find with my parents even at 44, and it's in the blood, I'll admit its wisdom of living a world, and brash reality awaking that mold brash new directions... very scottish. Molding tradition in spikes, while loving a person in frustration of difference. Look at how the country survives events of history, it'll give clarity. in short, I always felt cinema tends to get the bluntness of Scottish very spot on. Explain of how in brave and dragon, the kids are brash and blunt back even if they know they cant fight the fight yet.

@@CinemaTherapyShow it's still a bit shite man, don't get too big for your britches lol. Kind of kidding, kind of not. love you guys.

@@shwing1428 it wasn’t that bad.

British parents are also mostly seen as hard on their kids.

well, would say in the series he did managed to change quite a few hearts like Viggo's and Dagur's and then those who didn't, something else usually took them out instead of Hiccup....so I figured that's why he went into HTTYD 2 with that belief that he still change his enemies minds. But after Bludvist, he didn't even try changing Grimmel

⁠​⁠@@mr.s2005that wasn’t really Hiccup changing their minds so much as it was Viggo and Dagur changing their own minds. People change their own minds when they disagree with themselves.

Also, the second movie built on him in a realistic way by turning his greatest strength into THE weakness that gets his father killed. Instead of, you know, turning him into a Gary Stu that solves everything with pacifism.

@@jacobwiren8142 agreed. Such a good movie

I totally agree but don’t underestimate how scary gardeners can be

@@ghostcraft9343 👍lol agreed

@@ghostcraft9343 Don't touch a gardener's petunias

Oh my God 💀

Shoot, can't like this comment enough xD

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This is beautiful

You made me imagine them analysing some Barbie movie like the Princess and the Pauper and now I really want it

You're saying that as if most men in the world were some toxic jerks. 🤨

That or they were just trying to say that mass media doesn't portray men well

@@uMaud Yeah, here's the thing... A person can have toxic behaviours and not necessarily be a jerk. A lot of the toxic behaviours we learn, they aren't inherent to us. Certainly, a person who abuses people is a jerk, but you could be a perfectly nice person and still do toxic things, potentially without even realizing it. How many young women learned that the way to care for and love your partner was to manipulate them into doing what you think is best for them? How many young men absorbed the lesson that when you acted like a hero, you got the girl? You could be toxic entirely without your knowledge or intent. A lot of people, myself included, are unlearning the things we were taught that we now know are not good for us. Toxic masculinity is one thing in a list of behaviours and values that we are collectively unlearning. And it's not even exclusive to men! In my teens I was a "not like other girls" girl. I devalued anything feminine and overemphasized my masculine qualities, because I was unintentionally taught that masculinity was superior and that femininity is something to be ashamed of. That's an example of the sort of things we now have to unlearn.

Yes!

@@uMaud most media represents men in a toxic way. That is not how real men are. Men have identity problems due to how people expect them to act vs how they really feel. You should check out the boy crisis book. The first half explains this well.

If you’re anything like me, it’s probably been difficult coming to terms with the idea that there are just some things we’re just never going to get, because the people we need those things from are simply unable to give that to us

Yeah it just hit too hard. Like I was aware of it. But hearing it made it hit differently.

Same. 😅 I never cry because of mushy stuff on screen (but I do because of mushy stuff in real live). But those words. They were just so real. That the last thing my father told me is 'to learn respect before talking to him again' didn't help either... 😂 (And to clarify that. I'm an adult. Who had the audacity to express her desire for a relationship of mutual respect. But the 'mutual' part didn't seem to be to the liking of my father.)

same

Yeah, I started bawling. I always knew I was a "disappointment" simply because I wanted to have control over my own life, but hearing the words out loud still hit hard

He's a mix of a lot of animals according to the animators. Dogs AND cats, but also snakes, horses, etc.

He’s both cat and dog, though maybe leaning slightly cat. And also horse and bats

@@Wandervenn Correct. Definitely a large mix

YES YES YES

Just saying, it's plasma, not fire

Thank you... finally a commenter who acknowledges the full range of animals Toothless is based on and not insisting that he's based on cats and ONLY cats LOL

@@probsnooneyouknowtbh3712 He’s talking about the rest of the dragons. Toothless is a damn cat. End of story

I belive Toothless was based off a black panther to be more specific

@@probsnooneyouknowtbh3712 but for example in the third movie his first mating dance is completely bird-like 😁😁

Is it just me or does toothless look like he’s based off of an axolotl?

You mean, that sign that was shot to smithereens but hung on?

@@JaneXemylixa Yes.

@@TheAnonyomusGuy I remember being confused by that - "so do we got hope or..?", lol. Maybe because I immediately got a faceful of Rattlesnake Bill Nighy and didn't get time to process.

They actually did this joke on Race to the Edge

@@CelVini which episode?

It even shows in how the side characters are mourning Stoic. All of them show legit sorrow, even the ones that throughout the series have mostly, if not always been comic relief. That's the thing that really amazed me about that scene.

It wouldn't have made sense for Hiccup to miss because of his growth, too. By HTTYD2, he's become a skilled warrior. His shortcomings here are that he's naive and too willing to believe that everybody can be reasoned with.

@@annaharrington8397 I don't recall the number, but is a Episode about Ruffnut pretending to Tuffnut he is dead