still garbage though

More like 'underexplained.' Honestly, the only difference between the Martha scene and Stark's "No, he killed my parents' is that Disney spent more screen time blatantly spelling out Stark's psyche and spoon feeding viewers.

like you? racist communist. people like you are the reason why there is war.

+artemisfowl52 Huh?

+artemisfowl52 your butthurt is showing.

But the time it takes place in is still 2017 and the original Justice League is still the canonical version.

@@xyzynx3190 let's be honest, it won't be soon, with how much people liked it better

@@xyzynx3190 bruh there was never a 2017 justice league movie

@@Kylehappy305 not quite sure what you mean because there was

There was a justice league movie in 2017?

I agree, loved that part!

@@PorschiaPaxton :)

Yeah that was one of the few dialogues in DCEU that didn't feel forced.

Didn’t felt forced? Did Bruce not went to Diana and tried to convince her to come to the fight like 2 or do scenes ago? Batman knew who she was and what was she doing there. She said no and then changed her mind. So Batman just forgot who she was or was the costume to good for Batman. I always thought it was a bad joke. Out of character for Batman. Superman asking seems legit though

@@justcrapynames Nope. You either made that up or misremembered the movie because that never happened. Bruce only talks to Diana TWICE before that fight, and the first time is to get his flash drive from her. The second time is over email, and BOTH times he asked “Who are you?” to which he never got an answer.

whos everyone? most people still dont like this movie and realize the inaccuracies

I mean there are decent parts, but there are scenes that ruined the movie

This keeps happening with Snyder's work, Sucker Punch comes to mind. There are still things about it I don't like, for instance, I get the Martha moment, still think it was not as "smart" as people make it out to be. But yeah, I appreciate this more now than when it first came out.

@@itzsamic are you kidding me? This movie keeps aging like fine wine and most critics and fans like it (Ultimate Edition obviously)

@@doctordoom1860 How is the movie "aging like fine wine"? its still as bad as it was 4 years ago. The characters are still just as inaccurate and poorly written. "most critics and fans like it" Source?

Yeah, one of those at least tries to stick to the source material

@@OhNoTheFace DCEU?

@@tavenmartin9536 Sarcasm?

@@arizz620 well they stick to source material too but ur gonna say MCU

Right! MCU is actually good

I smiled as soon as I read Corridor :)

Like Doomsday was?

Doomsday looked like ass

Yeah Doomsday doesn't look the best but he's in like the 10% last bit of the movie. All the other CGIs were great. But that's how most people treat CGI artists. They only care about the bad bits. Like that last fight in Black Panther, despite the other good CGI bits in that movie.

@Elie Boutros They Will BC Cgi Is not Finished For Darkseid Thats Why He looks bad

Love it!

I do love that there are so many characters in the DC films that are justifiably unimpressed by ideas and concepts that we, as a society, find fantastic or use as communication shorthand.

@@0lderSch00l It was that combined with the fact that he doesn't really know the full truth but he is acting like he does. Diana probably knows everything through stories told to her by her mother.

Haha he is her dad...so...

Because Lex got the story wrong.

Nicely put. It also provided a great character arc for Bruce - him realizing that Clark is much more human than him and accepting him as an ally while working on his own issues. I really liked how that was handled in JL.

And that when one loses their humanity, one can always find it again. Batman's arc in this film is a beautiful representation of that, with Superman serving as his inspiration.

To quote Christopher Reeve in Smallville "Humanity is not only about biology." This is best way non-Smallville fans to learn that.

Lol nice name

+cinemasins

then lex would say . . negative vs positive, black vs white,wins vs sins...

Sarcasm Fever did u say black vs white? LOL

only if there is actual figthing, if the sin or the win is better the one who scores that has to punch the other in their guts...

Especially with that Martha situation.

pun-intended

I would add to that that the title was a huge mistake. The title "Batman V Superman" title implies that the movie will be just that Thus it implants in the viewer a certain type of movie experience. The title implies it will just be another protagnist vs antagonist. However what we got in BvS was so much more. The themes really did require a much more open and questioning mindset.

@@xarzithas The title also suggests a court trial is going to take place. Forgivable. But I'd say the biggest mistake was using a director who did not understand or like the titular characters.

@@JackDManheim you mind elaborating on how Snyde doesn't "understand" or "like" any of the characters in the movie?

Honestly they did it too soon, taking the animated movies as an example, we had 2 justice league movies and Superman also appeared on other movies, so when he died we had somewhat a greater connection with him(thats not the case for me because man of steel have a certain sentimental value , but for other people I wouldn't say the same). They also did doomsday too soon, the vilain could have been Lex on some kind of armor he made to be godlike and you could use the fight between batman and superman as a reason for they being beaten by Lex, a Superman weakened from kryptonite, and a batman who maybe got some broken bones and 1 or 2 gunshot wounds wich would be a reason for Wonder woman to join the fight, anything other than doomsday

Every DC movie sucks except Aquaman and Wonder Woman. And before you call me a MArVeL FanBoY I've watched all the dc movies more than twice.

That's not on Snyder. That's mostly all thanks to the hard work of VFX artists.

@@Ayoul they bring it to life but the director provides the vision

@@Ayoul and who dicided that Zack Snyder you genuis

@@Ayoul Zach makes a storyboard He went to art school He can edit things himself too But he’s a director He’s pretty amazing

Well said.

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agreed

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yeah, true, ... but Killing feels better !

Tony BMW Same! It’s one of my favorite movies and I say it’s a masterpiece. I just wish what we got (Justice League) lived up to what was set up in this movie, but that doesn’t matter.

YES!! Its one of my favorite top movies. I had a friend finally watch it. Granted, he watched the Ultimate Edition, HE LOVED IT!!! He couldn't believe he never watched it.

@@djstuntfox the movie is aging BRILLIANTLY. I watched it yesterday (UE) and god the movie is GREAT. Better than so many other superheroe movies.

@@pablomaybe6111 I think so many people are just used to the Marvel formula, which works for them, but DC has ALWAYS been on the darker side. I appreciate that Man of Steel and BvS was so gritty. Even WW is about war and what takes to be on a hero's journey. Brilliant stuff!

@@djstuntfox i'm glad you guys liked it

I do love the final evolution of batman, he's gone from idealistic to driven and now obsessed. He's older, so, like most of us do as time goes on, he cut the BS. He's not as fast as he used to be, but he's strong and cunning and he makes that work for him. In this film he's stripped down to the core of what he is, which is a dangerous, mission oriented, serial assailant.

Other then him breaking his rule,I like everything about this movie

@@ahsanashfaq4430 but his whole arc was him realising that breaking his rule was wrong. His arc is of redemption.

@@HUMAN-fq5ff like Zuko, one of if not the best redemption arc ever made

@@HUMAN-fq5ff I'm all for a more brutal Batman but it doesn't completely add up in universe. If he's killing thugs then why doesn't he kill villains like the Joker?

Really? Where?

@@Metalora kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d8inrM6iksm7hnk.html

They should have saved the death of superman for the real doomsday rather than putting it in this film

I do hope to see that beast one day. I was sadly mislead that Doomsday would fight Uxas in the history lesson for ZSJL...

@@thenoirknight5729 That…..is a freaking awesome concept. I love the Snyder cut but that so should have been in that.

Precisely how I felt about Suicide Squad.

Hugh Chester I enjoy him way more than that pretentious trash Cinnamon Sins. Far too much "hate bandwagon" nonsese that's been a trend lately.

@@scottreacher is not just humour?

@@ufg1510 Using negative to get some laugh ok bruh how edgy

@@serenity0n0 is edgy talking trash about a movie? is like ofensive or something?

I know right? It's like people turned their brains off. This movie isn't straightforward like Marvel. It uses artistry to paint a story

Wow! I never thought of it like that! Thank you SOOO Much for opening my eyes to the whole Martha thing!

I never even had an issue with it. I didn't even know it was an "issue" until I started seeing the reviews and haters online lol.

+DaGerminator Yeah humans are far too easily influenced by others. That's why I avoid reading reviews until after I watch something.

+Mr Nive like the WORLDS GREATEST detextive couldnt figure out that superman is a hero aftwr saving the world and repeated clips of supes saving lives! Yet realising that superman has parents makes bats realise supes is good? Wtf? All criminals have mothers? Infact bats dont give a crap about bad guys loving there moms!? Even lois figures out supes is a good guy and shes just a journo! Lex figured it out too but THE WORLDS GREATEST DETECTIVE had to attempt murder to see superman was a good in him? No thanx, cinema sins did this better!

What are you smoking? WB's producers when they viewed the film gave it a standing ovation. At the end of the day this is Zack Snyder's vision. The ultimate editions does add more stuff to it but this is stuff Snyder made the decision to cut out. Both versions are his vision. If you want to complain about altering his vision look at Justice League that became a Joss Whedon popcorn film without any of the pathos Snyder uses.

@Ryan Irwin- Diehl Who shot YOUR dog?!

@Ryan Irwin- Diehl wow, just wow

Why does WB have to ruin everything

@@lzylay they like money, like Mr. Greedy Mouse did to the Star Wars franchise

9:34 THANK YOU! FINALLY! Someone cleared it up!

It's always made sense. For me at least.

Always did lol

Martha!!!!

@@enlightenmentdoesntcomeeas5337 same! Before I even realized that the mothers jad the same name. I recognized bruce saw his humanity

Use it was

Screw the Haters .

FACTS!!!

IamATN You like Batman killing people and being a dumbass? Yeah no.

@@tannerlawley8435 Batman killing will always be better than hypocritical comic book batman

People hate what they can not understand .

Filimon Galogavros Or maybe people are justified from this shit excuse of a film

@Snapyrock Batman sees the human side of Clark Kent / Superman and changes his mind .

@Snapyrock Batman sees the human side of Superman .

Lets just agree...that Superman could've told Batman that "My Mother is kidnapped".....That fight makes zero sense

Some of the most underrated and misunderstood directors.

All the movie needed was the proper build up. If there were 3-4 movies before it. Setting up Injustice would have been amazing

I enjoyed Zack Snyder's DC films. I get that not everyone likes it because they believe it's not comic book accurate or lacks humor and comedy. But I still enjoyed them.

The batmobile just pinging of superman like a toy car will never get old for me 😂

@@triplemoyagames4195 i get why Many feel this way especially since we just saw marvel do it but my point has always been DC usually starts a new run by introducing the justice league and then going deeper into the individual heroes

That's exactly what I say at first. Batman never knew that Clark Kent was Superman, for Bruce Clark was just another silly reporter taking side with Supes(Although I was kinda expecting to see this comment on the video) But you know, hate train and stuff.

+CinemaWins What do you think of the interpretation that due to Batman applying more pressure on Superman's throat the moment he said Martha, Superman was prevented from saying the rest of her name, and instead made a guttural sound? It's kind of out there, but interesting nonetheless.

CinemaWins I want to add something extra. The idea of the scene is not as wrong or as far fetched as most people think. This is a fiction world with rules of awesomeness all around, so an scene like that is perfect. The problem is the presentation. I'd just rewatch this movie yesterday, (because of this channel BTW) and the problem of the scene is the juxtaposition. The scenes that accompany the main scene are just the previous scenes from the same movie, as if someone wasn't sure the idea was clear. (I think people are not going to remember Martha is the name of Bruce's mom, let's repeat those scenes JUST IN CASE). If those scenes are replaced with scenes from the memories of a child Bruce with his mom, and maybe Clark with his mom, it would have driven the idea home. But they way is presented you feel like they are force feeding you something.

Save his secret identity by revealing his mom's name and ask Batman to go save her? Wouldn't Batman then know who Superman is simply by looking up who Martha Kent's son is?

This is one of the things I love about this movie: it's attention to detail. Because of that you're able to rewatch this movie and discover something you didn't need know before. This also allows for lots of deep thinking

Well, if the DCEU and WB get their shit together and they ever eventually lead up to a Darkseid movie, they know who to call to direct.

True.

@@ethanjones1327 he is able to tell a coherent narrative.

Hahaha you just explain Disney 😂.

@@DynestiGTI what more of that mouse trap money eh.

Totally agree with you. Another scene was when Bruce Wayne unlocks the photo of wonder woman from world war2. As he looks at that picture, there is no dialogue in the scene, but he leans back in his chair (with WW bgm playing in the background) and you can see it on Afflecks face. In that scene you can see Bruce's whole perception of reality or the world he lives in is changing, he was just coming to terms with supes(alien) inhabiting our world and then he sees the wonder woman pic. I thought that was another masterful scene by Zack and Affleck, no dialogues no spoon feeding but just pure acting to convey the story.

"I must be cruel only to be kind". Hamlet.

Yeah and the Martha scene pulls him back in I thought that was great

he's wearing a helmet. him if he does look demonic then it's stupid because he's not a demon

John Harmon Doomsday isn't a cave troll but that's what they made him looks like. Look closely at the steppenwolfe scene, those horns are attached to his head That isn't a helmet. He looks more like the kursed dark elf black guy in thor the dark world than he looks like a guy with a helmet. Also being demonic doesn't make him a demon just like being humanoid doesn't make him human or dragonic makes him a dragon. He may look it but it doesn't mean he is.

+John Harmon He's from Apokolips. Home of darkseid a Anti-God. Hes going to look demonic

+Crimson Head98 New god**

What you are not taking into account is most people will have very limited exposure to DC outside the movies, how are people meant to know who the hell Steppenwolfe and Darkseid are? The whole dream/Flash sequence is not explained at all. Flash does not even exist in the DCEU at this point in the movie and the only sequence in which Flash appears later is him in a different set of clothing. Even with a vague knowledge of DC I still did not know that Flash could travel through time. Those demon things are also very confusing for a lot of people simply because they appear in what is a very weird dream sequence. How is the general public meant to know what Darkseid symbol is or what a Parademon is? This would of course not have been an issue if it was a movie aimed at the niche market of just DC fans but when you aim for the general pubic you need to put some sort of explanation in, else you just end up with an audience and critics which is totally confused and will give bad reviews and spread bad word of mouth.

I enjoyed what I saw in the theater even though it left a rather bad taste in my mouth. Then I saw the UE. Never saw the theatrical version ever again.

Brian Rose WB just needs an actual editing department. The Ultimate Edition was awesome, but I did see a lot that could've been taken out.

Brian Rose same for the most part. after some thought, I think the theatrical is good, but has less hand-holding for the audience

The thing with Zack Snyder's movies is that his extended versions are always miles better than the theatrical version. Have you seen the director's cut of Watchmen? It's nearly 4 hours long. No joke! :)

Aha - thanks for clearing that up! :)

Suicide Squad came out the same year as BVS

@@CMGThePerson months later

Yep. We see a more stable Lex at the end of Justice League. Actual character development.

I never noticed that. Haha, that's brilliant :)

Zeanne SJ Holy shit

Yup lmao

Well that's easy Disney paid off the critics too put down a great epic first superheros, before marvel bullshit characters call civil war than Dawn of Justice

Damn I really wanted to see Snyder's original vision. He explained that Flash appearing to Bruce in his cave was a badly timed time jump from the future. Knightmare vision is actually the distant future where Lois has been killed by Darkseid which causes Superman to give into the anti-life equation. So Cyborg, Flash and Bruce tried to send Flash back in time to warn Bruce that Lois is they key and this time they had to send Flash to the batcave right before Darkseid boomtubes in there to kill Lois.

@@moist_captain i 50/50d that lool

y'know, a 5 movie saga doesn't sound that bad at all. I don't need 20+ movies to enjoy one extra special movie they've been building up to. Like did we need 4 solo movies for the A-team or 12+ for the expendables? I remember when i was trying to marathon lord of the rings for the second time i felt exhausted by the time i was halfway done with return of the king. I can't imagine doing the mcu much less have the patience to even try. Movie's are not tv episodes and probably shouldn't be treated as such because thats a very risky as fuck move and expensive as balls. look at the failed monsters universe, Ghost busters, and Sony's amazing spider verse. at least Snyder got all the way to justice league despite that being a Frankenstein of a movie. If his daughter didn't commit suicide (God rest her soul) he probably would have stayed and fought back harder against those WB execs. Now that WB's got a new CEO hopefully they'll listen to the fans. and if they don't, i won't be surprised if Zack would be done with them because they've screwed with his vision since Watchmen.

erlend halvorsen i likes justice league but then again I watch movies for fun and not to critique them

And the pathetic part is this shit meme is something people still think is funny.... Bunch of kids....

@@nkb5245 and no one takes that seriously or anything. They just think of it as a joke just like everything else in the mcu. And if someone shows up arguing about it then they're like "atleast it wasn't rushed". Like, wtf. A whole origin story is devoted to that one part for allowing people to understand it.

@@nkb5245 yeah basically lol.

¨people hate what they don´t understand¨

Ryan Irwin- Diehl Not the ultimate edition

Chris Polak - YASSSS 😎🥋🥊

That was excellent. True comic-book style Batman sequence. Not like the clunky, slow fisticuffs of the Dark Knight trilogy.

Someone didn't watch Captain America: The Winter Soldier.

Darkchainzz I see your point, especially the part about the shaky cam, but, imho, I still think that the highway fight scene between Cap and Bucky was one of the best cherographed action sequences to come from a superhero movie.

Bryan Koh Why Marveltards are in every DC videos and trying to be smart ?

"That one didn't age quite so well" -Jontron

Ha! So you're the guy racking up the view counter! Yeah, as the views slowed, so did the pure hatred. Lesson learned though. It was never really my intention to rile so many people up. I made the video for the fans not realizing the number of people who already had their minds made up would watch it and be super duper, duper insulted. Hopefully I can assuage the disdain when I get around to Suicide Squad. But probably not... You wouldn't believe how many death threats I got that were auto-spammed. Some people really don't like the women...in my....family...for some reason....? Really odd. Oh well. Glad you like it!

CinemaWins In my opinion, while Suicide Squad had interesting characters (mostly) and cool visuals, it had terrible editing (apparently staple of Warner Brothers' theatrical releases now) and a poor script that was the product of David Ayer being rushed by Warner Brothers. Despite this, I really am excited to see how you win Suicide Squad! Keep up the great work. And tell Jim to stop messing with your script!

"Oh no! How can you like this movie when I think Civil War was better?" Who ever said that? You're making strawman arguments. People disliked this movie because they disliked the movie. And being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian is just as un-thinking as following others for its own sake.

+CHP A lot of the earlier comments in this video were people saying exactly that (give or take a few strong words and unnecessary overuse of capital letters). I can understand why people may dislike the film, but yeah there were people legitimately taking offense to this video and using Civil War as why this video is wrong. We understand you don't like it, but you don't have to take offense to a video stating what the film did right.

James Lewis Fair enough. I really didn't like the film and found the characterization completely wrong. I also found this vid to be slightly half-baked, having nothing to do with Civil War. I guess, I took greater offense to your comment than I should've. Apologies.

Its ahead of its time. BvS will go down like scarface trashed by critics but become beloved as time goes on

I totally agree with that.

+Red Queen same

lmao ... yall joking right ? RIGHT ???

+MrGoblin20 lololol if I laugh in my own comments, you have to be wrong. That's how the Internet works right?

i disagree. the original movie is good (and very good in certain areas) and didn't deserve the shitting on it got. The ultimate edition is great movie and one of the best superhero films

Yup

@@jammygamer8961 well, in the theater edition there's a huge mistake, when at the beginning Lex's soldiers kill all of those African soldiers(?) with bullets, then Superman arrives and saves Lois. Later, they say it's Supes fault as he presumably killed those African soldiers, but how come? Superman doesn't shoot bullets. While in the ultimate edition Lex's soldiers burn those African soldiers corpses, and now you can incriminate Superman for using heat vision, and kill them.

@@artofvale_1122 good point

yes, but what could've happened if they have different names? would batman let superman live?

@@user-ux1ll3tw9l No, he would ask who that woman is after hearing the "You are letting them kill X"

@@user-ux1ll3tw9l It's also because of the fact that he pleaded for someone elses life instead of his own in that moment. He didn't expected that from an alien.

You got my sub!

You just subbed yourself? Dope!

Yeah this movie rocks

"Well hows that supposed to make me feel?"

your opinion is wrong...kappa

Love your videos! But you also have to realize that when it comes to an easily criticized movie, there's a big mob mentality. People call this "the worst movie ever" as if there haven't been Norm of the North's or Movie 43's out there. People don't like using their brains to figure things out. Snyder is a visual director, but instead of paying attention to what the visual portray, they write it off as more Snyder "style over substance" crap. It's frustrating.

I was just about to mention why saying "mom" is stupid...batfleck in his rage would've paid no mind if Clark said "save my mom" because he wouldn't care... He doesn't even mention that it's his mother, Lois does... Supes didn't care about trying to save himself by making himself more human, it's just that he genuinely wanted to make sure that his mom can be saved, and he does this with what he thinks is his last breath...

+CinemaWins My explanation was Superman and Clark Kent relate to people differently in front of other people. Clark would call Martha as "mom" say, in front of neighbors or friends. Superman would address his mom as Martha or Mrs Kent or crazy old lady in front of the same people, and Martha would slap his face in private LOL

I didn't knew that. Oh well, I guess I'm gonna have to stick with the ultimate edition, then. Nice video, though.

Isnt Batman supposed to be the world's greatest detective? So, he should have known about Supes and his alter ego, shouldnt he? And also, doesnt Superman possess super hearing as well?So, no matter where they kept Martha, if she were not gagged (which she wasnt) and could talk even a little bit (she did), Supes should have found her in an instant.

because they don't want to understand

A lot of people didn't because of the typical rage that comes from a first glance. I got it the first go around, just as I also got a lot of things that people were complaining about. And ftr, don't take that the wrong way, I get that sometimes we don't get things at first and I'm no exception, but a lot of people take it WAY too far.

I understood it like Batman would have, because I didn't realize both their mothers were named Martha. Of course it would throw Batman for a loop. Completely agree that it made him even more angry at first because he thought Supes was messing with him, and then realized his revenge was misguided and out of character for his ideals.

Exactly. And yeah, I noticed a while back that their mothers had the same name and I've always wondered if DC ever planned on doing something with that lol.

Jason McCloud I might have to re-watch BVS with a different mindset now. It may haven't been that bad. Still a bit bundled up messly but still.

As a non-comic book reader, I see no difference between BvS and the Avengers movies in quality and messy story telling. In fact, the Avengers is so full of meaningless action with a thin plot that I get bored. Why the DC movies are so hated while the comic book level Marvel is not seems to me ridiculous.

Or "You're not brave, men are brave" so sick!

Adrián Ponce I felt was Bruce way of redemption of saving his own mom

@@jaydinshuya3495 men are brave if they have kryptonite on there hands and wearing an armoured bat suit

@@user-ux1ll3tw9l or when they face things they can't defeat easily by using heat vision or flying as fast as sound

@@user-ux1ll3tw9l oh shut the fuck up and quit reaching. He was going up against the most powerful man in the world and you expected Batman to fight him with his bare hands?!?!? Of course he needed to be prepared and armed with kryptonite. That's called being smart and not a moron. And even then Batman knew it was suicide going up against Superman and he STILL went through with it. That IS brave.

People forget that he's lex Luthor Jr it's obvious as you notice he wouldn't shut up about his dad

Also if they went with the standard lex it would just get shit for being to close to Kevin spaceys version

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AND WE ARE GETTING THE SNYDER CUT

Suck it , Whecock !

@@tclturbo2456 We got it and it's fucking incredible

@@L3GiTxGH0STx *Men are still good.*

Snyder and Terrio need to do a video explaining that from their POV to everyone. At first I thought, "Oh yeah. Their moms do have the same name." Then I watched a video or two that had people explain their take and I've understood it more. Maybe a couple of lines could've been added showing Batman realizing his humanity. But I'm fine with it.

Yeah but its all there on the screen. explaining everything the audience is terrible. frankly its not that hard to get.

+Duane Drew Didn't explain anything, terrible movie and scene.

Martha scene still sucks ass. No excuses.

IKR! I totally didn't get it before.

brilliant, bravo!!

Can I steal this comment? Batman realized he was the one holding the gun, at essentially a helpless son. Bruce needed something to slap him in the face HARD to snap him out of this...a Flashback to Joe Chill or whoever killed his parents in this continuity...qualifies.

Apparently it has to do with how open minded you go into viewing it. Personally, it gets better every time I watch it

jbgaters Amen to that, friend.

I agree with you completely. I love this movie so damn much. It just sucks that not many see as the masterpiece we do.

+Hard to Kidnap agreed to a certain extent. If you missed the Martha piece, once again, it does have to deal with intelligence but more so watching the film with an open mind. It is not enough to write off certain scenes because they "didn't make sense" and more often than not the comments and critics against that particular arc speak to the fact the majority of those that left those types of comments and reviews simply did not understand the scene and why it was placed where it was. This film has flaws, yes, but if we as moviegoers were to watch every movie for said flaws and are NOT critics that are getting paid for their opinion(s), then every movie would suck.

I still have mixed feelings about this. I like it from a thematic standpoint, and the cinematography is pretty fantastic. But as a Superman fan? This film kills me.

you mean movies that are dear i say it.... are good?

@@SgtKaneGunlock right, did you watch this video?

HI KIRBY

Agreed.

The ultimate edition made an unfocus mess (but still a rather great film) into a great film.

What's the difference between the ultimate edition and the normal movie ?

The ultimate edition explains a lot of the plot points that were left out in the theatrical cut. There's also more character development.

the normal version was cut for time and was a jumbled mess which left people confused. Ultimate edition only had 30 min of extra film, but my god, it made the mess clean, the flow was amazing, and everything story wise became much more clear.

Along with his mothers name of course, as you said

Which pretty much throws the entire "OMG he was just saying Martha so as to make Batman know his mother was human and the fact that their mothers both had the same name was just a coincidence with no real bearing on Batman's ultimate decision to spare Superman" argument out the window.

I think everyone gets that. I respect the effort as a call back, but not the execution. That's not the argument. The argument it doesn't make any sense for Superman while he's about to die to say "You're letting him kill Martha" and not "My mother" What would make him think he'd care about a random woman from an entirely different city named "Martha" when he's pretty much about to be murdered in cold blood because Bruce came off the entire movie as a sociopathic douche? Please excuse me, I came here to compliment the movie, but that needs to be done with realistic respect for its flaws as well as it's strengths. If he said "My mother, Martha." It would serve both, not only Bruce being pulled into the realization that Clark is "human" with a famliy and all, but that the two of them aren't so different. Having him blurt it out that way came off as forced to many viewers that's all. I still commend the *effort* though, just not the execution. I apologize if I come off disrespectful I didn't come here like I know some people do to hate and throw salt at a potentially good or even great film. Fun Fact: Martha is my own great grandmother's name.

I have thought about it myself and came up with a possibility a while back. We have to remember that while Batman did not know of Superman's secret identity, Superman did know of Batman's by the time of their fight and must have already become familiar with his background. Earlier in their fight, Batman did recognize that Superman must have had parents ( remember when he told Superman 'I bet your parents taught you that you mean something, that you're here for a reason') but he probably just thought of them as alien too or that he probably didn't thought of them as highly as Batman valued his own family; so Superman just mentioning his mother by 'mother' would not have done nothing to break Batman out of his kill rage. By using Batman's mother's own name, however, Clark knew that it would force Bruce to listen to him even for a minute, which sort of worked as it planted doubt in Bruce just long enough for Lois to come in and clarify who the Martha Clark was referring to was. I think that Clark saying Martha WAS the best way to get Batman to listen to him as , by that moment, Batman was to focused in killing Superman to listen to reason. He was fully driven by emotion, so the only way to break him out of it was bringing another emotion to the table. And what better emotion than his own family? Of course, Superman had no way of knowing that 'Martha' was also the last word uttered by Thomas Wayne and had the unexpected consequence of enraging Batman further but this also played out in Batman's own change of heart ultimately. Batman earlier acknowledged that Superman was not a direct threat to the world to Alfred, but carried on because of the 'even 1% chance' he would be. By uttering 'Martha' right before being killed, Superman became Thomas Wayne in Bruce's mind: a man who had done no real evil and whose life was extinguished by a criminal. Batman called himself a criminal earlier and realized that he had become the 'man with the gun' and could no longer justify himself in what he was doing, specially when, throughout the movie, it was obvious that the main reason he wanted to kill superman was to make his life as Batman (born out of the death of his parents) mean something. That was a lengthy explanation lol but I think that was what the scene was trying to convey. This is how it all clicked in my head anyways.

Rafael Aguirre I usually don't reply to KZfaq comments, but that is a stellar analysis!

I thought BvS was a masterpiece as well. I cant stand how people hate it yet praise Disney's crap

@@Vietnam_Chr0nicles The MANY flaws of BvS have absolutely nothing to do with anything Disney. There's nothing wrong with having guilty pleasures, so long as you don't confuse them with "masterpieces".

Same man, I always tell my Marvel fan friends as DC fan that DCEU is not dead, and the films are fine beside Justice League and I get the usual “Oh BvS is shit” no it’s not but then I stop arguing.

Suicide squad is not fine, its a total mess

Jaakko Parikka I agree. SS was pretty thrown together, but WB messed with Ayer’s original plan just like they did Zack Snyder. Ayer’s cut of the film was apparently too dark for WB, so they changed it completely. I’ve read up on some things recently, things confirmed by Ayer. And the movie sounds awesome! Like Joker convinced a man to kill himself and that he was also the main antagonist of the film. The weird puddy monster things we’re supposed to be Parademons.... Anyways, SS was pretty messy, I’m hoping that WB and AT&T do the Ayer cut along with the Snyder cut.

I'm 43 years old, have lived, worked or visited to over 40 countries and lived in over a dozen states and the District of Columbia (Taxation Without Representation!) In all that time, the only Martha I ever knew was ... this one hippie physicist chick I went on a date with to a Dixie Chicks concert at Wolf Trap twenty years ago. I think her name was Martha.

Snoop Dogg is disappoint.

Snoop dog is dissapoint guys

lol it literally makes no sense try again m8

Crono Strife It makes sense, it just could have been written better. The Zemo scene was only marginally better, man.

I agree. I don't hate the movie, I just have a hard time seeing the positives because of how much they've changed my favorite characters into things they shouldn't. for me "could have been written better." sums up exactly how I feel about the movie as a whole.

Crono Strife 9:36 to 10:50 would like to disagree.

Zachary Robertson What Zemo scene?

Benjamin Saunders exactly my sister knows the comics more than I do (maybe) and she doesn't even get it

But surely the fact that it sounds goofy means it isn’t cinematic gold? I mean, it got close by having good ideas and intentions, but the poor execution would give it cinematic silver at best.

I had no problems with this scene and even liked the beginning of the movie and some scenes were great. But an insanely good movie? It's like there are just people who adore it and those who give it way to much hate. Cinematic gold...I would say it's a nice watchable movie.

@@timk7508 I respect that

I had a hard time figuring that out too. It sounded hammy and awkward. Last time I saw this video I realized that's what Superman asked him to do with potentially his dying breath. He was promising to do for his friend what his almost-victim had asked of him?

Precisely and well-fucking-said

Its not that we didnt get it... Its just really stupid

+d1asian How the facts are still in your face and you hate poor you

+Young Sinatra Tonez ...sorry for saying something stupid is stupid?

d1asian okay you can hate the movie I can care less your judgment on a films doesn't effect me I like the DCEU you dont.

Because saying " my mother( which would have made faaaaaaaaaaar more sense) is so much more difficulty to say than "Martha"????????????? In your own words. THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINK!!! The criticism has always been about the WHY Superman says"Martha" and NOT about WHY it works on Batman. Defenders of this movie get it wrong CONSTANTLY. They defend tha "why it works on Batman" while ignoring ( or , in your case, give some incredibly weak defense of) WHY Superman would even say what he did how he did. Also, we just can;t understand why Superman ever thought that Batman, the guy he branded as a violent, borderline psychopathic, vigilante would be any help in finding/saving his mother.

@@daverobson3084 You know what would have happened if he said save my mom? It'd have gone In one ear and out the other. Batman clearly just stated not 2 mins beforehand he doesn't give a shit about Superman's parents. "I bet your parents taught you, that you mean something, that your here for a reason. My parents taught me a different lesson... dying in the gutter for no reason at all. They taught me the world only makes sense if you force it to." Batman would probably just assume he's talking about his alien mother, and proceed to impale him through the face. So how do you get through to the crazed vigilante who's claims to be doing this for the survival of the human race? You appeal to his humanity and make her a person. On the off chance Batman goes through with it and kills Superman, at least Batman would still have a name to go off of and not be all like "Who's Mom?" Plus, there's supposedly a deleted scene not seen in the Ultimate Edition were Clark does some research on Bruce and his parents on his laptop after finding out his identity at Lex's party. In it he learns Bruce's mother was named Martha, and notes the coincidence as his mother has the same name. This may lead into the scene where he calls his mother. Now, anyone running around dressed up as a bat is clearly not all there. It's been well established that Batman is fucked mentally and his parents death fucked him up, so it's possible, using this information, Superman knew Batman's mother's name was Martha and used it to his advantage. Like I said, appeal to his humanity and make her a person. I gave you two reasons as to why Superman said Martha and not mom, now take this L

@@mcmachan9867 Bunkles of Fudge!!! This is LITERALLY the best Martha explanation I have come across. Kudos Sir

@@daverobson3084 as if he had the time to call out a full sentence before some random dude in a metal suit and a spear in his hand pearses through his face. Yeah right. He had one single moment to get something in batman's mind and that's why he used the name of the person he wanted to save

@@DivvayKhatri Because yelling " You're letting him kill Martha!" is (somehow) NOT a full sentence.?!? Deciding that he did not want to convey WHO was killing Martha, or who indeed Martha even was , leaving a possible situation where Batman still kills him and still has no idea who was in danger of being killed and by whom. Why? Because everyone in this movie is a super genius combined simultaneously with a super idiot.

Which version did you watched? Ultimate Edition was better.

U were not supposed to.

Only like the ultimate cut okay. The studio is a bunch of dicks

I love it too. No shame.

Same I with out a doubt love the DCE no shame

Do you also think the last jedi is also hated because it's misunderstood?

Rectify?? It's an entirely different fucking movie, the snyder cut. The theatrical was just joss Whedon's version of "Avengers if they were in DCEU". The Snyder cut and the theatrical, based on what I heard, are absolutely different from each other. To put it down as a mere "rectification" is hilariously dumb. (no offense tho)

I don’t know why WB has this stupid idea, philosophy that a movie that’s over 2 hours won’t sale at the movies... have they ever watched LOTR, The Godfather, Schindler’s List, Titanic, Avengers End Game, and so on? They need to trim and trim because people will only watch a short movie... 🤦🏽‍♂️

You prayer has been answered

Smart man

That man deserves unlimited rings *mind blown*

How any Batman fan can say the Martha scene is dumb blows my mind. That is a fundamental misunderstanding of the character. What I would say is true rather is that the fight itself was anti-climatic.The fight needed to be longer and have more back and forth. Another 10 mins IMO, with Batman really struggling. Having said that the fact is from the very beginning of the film it is established again that Batman fall into darkness came from that moment. He's driven by the murder of his parents, his whole life has become a distraction, vengeance to get back at those who robbed him of his childhood, Batman would do anything to have that childhood, to have his parents back. I.e. the fact superman's mum is Martha, Batman feels that by saving her in some ways he can finally do what he always wanted, save his mother from tragedy. The thing that pissed me off more in that scene and that really should have been executed better is, why on Earth would Superman suddenly start calling his Mother Martha? The way I would have cleaned that up is Clark investigating Bruce before the fight and actually finding out about his parents tragic death. That way it would have made sense that Clark actually purposely uses that information to get into Batman's psyche and end the fight peacefully. It would have given superman the depth and intelligence that he's been missing from this series and also it would have been a great way to show off Clark's skills as a journalist. It also would fit in great with Superman's character that he found a way to get to Bruce without hurting him. Essentially it would have in some ways made the fight a draw, which would have been a far more satisfying ending. Batman would have been shown to be able to take down Superman in a fight which would have satisfied the Batman fanboys, and superman would have been shown to be smart enough to end the conflict peacefully which would have satisfied Superman fans.

+John Paul Mokuolu So basically being a Batman fan should blind you to shitty, contrived writing?

Danny O'Gara Yeah what a great, challenging answer. I said why the scene was disappointing and how it was executed badly. But as I said, Batman's motivation for stopping the fight is completely consistent with his character.

Ha! Justice to the DC universe...I see what you did there.

The critics weren't wrong, they just have different taste than you. Why is it that people cannot just like something without telling everyone they are wrong about it. Lives are not the same, and art imitates life, so it stands to reason that people will have different opinions. Don't devalue other opinions to heighten your own.

Here's my explanation for why BvS got bad reviews, whereas most young people on the internet loved it. See, BvS tried to be more than just a comic book movie. It tried to be a great movie on its own terms. Now, since most teenagers/internet citizens haven't seen the REAL great movies, the true classics like Lawrence of Arabia or No Country for Old Men, BvS seemed to them to be a masterpiece. It certainly seemed to be aiming for something more than just your standard popcorn movie. But most critics HAVE seen the true classics. If BvS had been content to stay a normal popcorn movie, it would've been judged as such and gotten decent reviews. But since it tried to be more than that, they were forced to raise their standards, and they were forced to judge it as a potential "great" movie. And it came up short. The truth is, as a superhero movie, BvS ain't bad, but as a real MOVIE, it comes up pretty short. Snyder's ambition and attempt to raise BvS beyond just a brainless action film backfired. All he succeeded in was making a movie that was going to be judged more harshly because it aimed so much higher. I don't think the critics united to destroy it, I think they said, "Okay, Snyder, you want BvS to be an actually IMPORTANT movie, we'll judge it as an IMPORTANT movie, not just as a superhero movie." And it came up short. Thus, the bad reviews.

Aida Baida this is the most accurate comment I have ever read.

Thanks. I see a lot of people saying the critics hated BvS because "They didn't understand it", or because "They're used to Marvel spoonfeeding them", and I just don't think that's the case. Some of the most twisty, complex movies have the best reviews. The problem was that BvS, aiming to become something more than a superhero movie and failing, seemed a masterpiece to teenagers who haven't watched many actually great movies, and seemed a little boy floundering around in daddy's shoes to the critics who have.

holy shit that was really well put haha

probably because in this movie he has already killed random goons without heistating while in the others its his first time. he kills a shit ton of people in this film lmao it might have worked if he didnt

@@haseebsiddiqi3409 It's ok to not understand the movie.

@@sharendavis9216 r u dumb I understand why he doesn't kill superman but it would make way more sense if that was his first time killing someone In the movie it is shown that he doesn't hesitate to kill random goons but he does with superman who could kill everyone if he wanted.

@@haseebsiddiqi3409 I would have just shot him, I mean for sure Superman wouldn't even try to dodge (being bulletproof and all that). Best to ignore these small problems, every movie has them, if it works it works.

Mohammad Ekram Faruque Fahim yup

​@Yasser Bostan There's nothing 'mysterious' about anything. It's pretty clear IMO. All the facts were presented to the viewer. All you have to do is put yourself in his shoes and it becomes very clear. That said, the film even has multiple scenes with Superman discussing with Lois and his mother about various stuff, so it's not like it's just a huge data dump from Snyder. The issue is that people watch the movie thinking it's the Superman that they've always known him as, when it's really when Superman first getting into the superhero world. When you throw away these preconceptions and just take things at the face value, it's very easy to follow. That's probably why the film did so well overseas compared to the domestic market (pretty much WB's best performing film ever), people who didn't grow up with the characters were watching their first DC movie and thus were able to enjoy it the way Snyder wanted it to be.

@@taoliu3949 so, people still prefers the Superman that can't use his underwear properly rather than this?

@DarkAvatar it's not exactly mysterious. I do agree with most of your argument, but this particular film was not so mysterious in the way it told its story.

@DarkAvatar Um, the dream sequence is just an Easter egg, at best maybe foreshadowing a future film. Like you said, if one never read the comics, they wouldn't know what the symbol meant, cool, you don't need to have read the comics to understand what was going on. As far as the audience is laymen are concerned, it is just a nightmare that batman is having due to his PTSD. That said, the comics and the DCAMU and New 52 also went straight into Justice League, so it's not like WB is completely doing their own stuff here.

Victor Kunchev Watch Ralphthemoviemakers review of BVS

Everybody understands the point of this scene. It's still stupid. First of all, how does Batman doesn't know that Clark Kent has human parents? And mother with the name Martha? But still, he mentioned about Clark having a parents while they were fighting, so Batman knew that Clark no some alien-freak? But even more, Bruce knew that Superman is not bad, but he told Alfred about "even 1 % chance" and it's alll gone because Superman has a mom?

Ringo Deathstarr Batman doesn't know Clark has human parents because he was constantly being manipulated by Lex into thinking hes a threat, and trying to know about his parents or investigating if he has human parents is not something he would need to investigate, simply because he doesn't care about his life because he thinks of him as a threat and just wants to kill him. Batman assumes Clark Kent has parents, in his imagination, he thought of superman's parents as "aliens" just like him, thinking they would also destroy the world fighting other aliens in the name of peace. That's the reason why he says "1% Chance" to Alfred because he wanted to kill Superman as soon as he gets the chance. And its all gone Not because Superman has a mom, but because hes reminded of his mother through the name "Martha" who just like Superman tried to stop/fight the criminal from shooting her son(Batman) before dying, and therefore Batman also realizes that he has a human mother because human name. Superman knows Batman's mother's name because he investigates his whereabouts and details much earlier in the movie thinking hes a criminal killing prisoners (which was set up by Lex to cause conflict between both). And in the end, Superman uses the name "Martha" to stop him from killing him.

So, you're saying that they both were manupulated by Lutor, but Superman did investigation about his enemy and THE GREATEST DETECTIVE didn't? It's bullshit.

Ringo Deathstarr Both didn't necessarily need manipulation. Batman was manipulated, by making him witness the capitol explosion and one of his trusted people die in it, making him think superman blew up the building and killed innocent people that wanted to judge him for his acts lawfully, and made him think hes "cruel", whereas superman only needed to know if Batman is a criminal or not to keep an eye on him (which is why he warns Batman at that Batmobile chase scene) and moreover he didn't need to get manipulated because all Lex needed to do was kidnap his mother and force him to face the Kryptonite from Batman's hands (which he didn't know about). Only to show the world that a simple human can kill a God. Moreover, Batman doesn't need to investigate things about an "Alien", he only needs to know what kills Superman (Kryptonite). And Superman does need to investigate, because he thinks Batman is killing prisoners. And Superman's human parents are out of the question, because that's something Batman can never even think of to investigate, which is not really the reason why he changes in the end anyway. It was more about his own mother than Superman's mother.

Also, please do everything right with CinemaSins :)

I have watched the Ult Ed. 3x already, I seen the Theatrical 4x with different audiences.

Humble0721 Lmao! Damn man!

Haha bro I've watched Suicide Squad 6 times in theaters, and I'm still planning to go back for more haha!

For us in the group that actually like/love this movie I mean it was like christmas seeing those two. Granted it wasnt perfect but for what it was, I'll take it. especially since it opened the door for "Metahumans". DCEU will be just fine

who know maybe when this guy makes every great about suicide squad maybe it will change your opinion on that movie.

Christian Stotts I highly doubt that

I don't think they wanted Suicide Squad to be as deep as BvS. It is a good popcorn flick you forget after a few days but BvS stays with you forever. I hope for the sake of the DC universe that the executives are not copying the Marvel formula because that will rob the fans of the true essence of DC movies. Jnr

John Richards That's my biggest fear for this series. That WB is trying to turn DC into Marvel, which absolutely NEVER HAPPEN. Honestly, I feel like WB has suffered a change of management after Man of Steel.

I think BVS was awesome so I don't know why they ditched some of the executives. I think they want the critics' vote so they are cutting corners and trying to make DC movies less intense and more kid friendly like Marvel movies. If they had adapted the Assault on Arkham animated movie to the big screen it would have done better than the Suicide Squad movie we got. Where BVS was a 10/10, Suicide Squad was a decent 7/10 but you don't feel the need to watch again. However BVS is a movie you can watch again and again because of its depth and hidden messages as well as the emotional ending where Superman dies. Jr

Wait till you see why Everything Wrong With Batman Vs. Superman. And boy even after this vid I hated it.

@@veritas4733 tbh I still kinda like this film tho. It's better than BVS IMO in every way.

Watch MovieBob's video series on this movie. BvS is one of the worst big budget blockbusters of the 21st century.

The only reason that scene was stupid to everyone was that zack didn’t really explain the scene well, but this guy and I understand the situation.

the idea behind the channel is nice and all, buuut...you shouldn't need a video analysis to understand the movie..

I loved it too, but it's too flawed to be perfect

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@@siddharthverma8975 Screw It 😂😂😂

Daredevil directors cut is amazing too.

Kowxley same

Same! 😂

same

same

Lol. I did stop what I was doing and immediately clicked on this as soon as I saw it. I had to see what could be positively said about this one. 1st movie ever I went to theaters to see and walked out actually kind of wanting my money back lol smh

RIGHT!!!

Stanger_in_the_Alps people who hate the movies are too dumb to pay attention because they are like, "it was too boring, so my mind started wandering." So then they make an excuse

Still a bad movie. I didn't think something could make me hate Superman this much

+Stormtrooper is one word pls respect Then we just different opinion since this and MoS are the first time I don't dislike Superman. By the way, good or bad, is still an opinion. You can say that Pulp.Fiction is an awful movie while Fast and.the furious is a good movie. It's just opinion.

+Elliot Perera Lol don't think art is a "special" or good term, art is simply someone expressing themselves, A horrible movie( im not talking BvS) could be called art

+Adrian Vazquez Morales I'm not even a fan of super hero movies and this film pissed me off. Especially with that ending

Stormtrooper is one word pls respect What does not being a fan in general but pissed you off fit in together?

People misunderstand that joke as well,just before WW says 'Ive killed things from other worlds before' which is EXACTLY what Bruce was trying to do minutes before.So superman almost sarcastically says is she with you? To which Bruce deflects I thought she was with you.It's a reverse of their gala conversation- Clark was genuine about his concern for Gotham's civil liberties but Bruce was sarcastic

Man of Steel is my favorite