Citroën AZU | If You Don’t Try Anything, You Can’t Fail…

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Seaside Garage

Seaside Garage

Ай бұрын

The AZU has been in a accident once.. I decided to try and fix the bent frame.. but its not exactly going to plan.
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@mehrzahl2219
@mehrzahl2219 Ай бұрын
I commend you for trying. No shame to replace the bent part.
@neilfoster814
@neilfoster814 Ай бұрын
Ha! As soon as I saw the start of the video, I immediately thought "Laser level!" They have more uses than just making straight lines for tiling and door frames.
@kevinnye5132
@kevinnye5132 Ай бұрын
Seppo it now seems you also have a BOTTLE JACK addiction too 😂, how many bottle jacks can one man need 😁.
@ianhighley-zo3es
@ianhighley-zo3es Ай бұрын
A very ingenious approach but that chassis does look compromised. If you can replace the front outrigger it may be worth a try.
@Mr.Serious72
@Mr.Serious72 Ай бұрын
The chassis is gone, you tried but i wouldn't spend more time. There are new chassis available. It was a good attempt.
@twocvbloke
@twocvbloke Ай бұрын
While it would be possible to start cutting out the thin metal and replacing it with new sections, the age of the chassis and not knowing if any other problematically thin areas exist, it's definitely going to be a much safer option (both in time, frustration and of course driver!) to go with a new chassis, though the cost of one for the AZU, that's another issue... :S
@leslieaustin151
@leslieaustin151 Ай бұрын
Good use of the laser level. I’ve used mine on motorcycle work, definitely a boon! But I’d say the most likely cause of that bend and damage on the LHS front is solely down to a crash - or more than one… I doubt you did any of it. Brake fluid is a pain when it’s leaking out of sight like that. The 2CV and its derivatives are funny old things but a wonderful piece of design and engineering. Looks like a new chassis then? Sometimes things just wear out beyond saving. Still watching with interest! Les in UK 🇬🇧
@theblackhand6485
@theblackhand6485 Ай бұрын
You need an aiming bench to straighten out the frame. I'll bet there are viewers of your channel who can help you a hand by letting you use their aiming bank. After it is aimed well just reinforce the frame well. So you the viewer can help Seppo out? Thank you.
@sietse9920
@sietse9920 Ай бұрын
I once changed a (1986) 2CV chassis because it was bent at exactly the same spot. Not caused by an accident, but just bent by use… nice try Seppo (very ingenious!) but this chassis is gone. Once you put the body over it, the un-originality won’t show. Take a deep breath and get a new chassis
@SeasideGarage
@SeasideGarage Ай бұрын
Yea its the right thing to do...
@BillWilsonBG
@BillWilsonBG Ай бұрын
As a theoretical experiment I can see trying to massage it a bit more, but to actually use it in the car, I would just replace it. If it was just being bent that is one thing, but in addition to the rust I think it would just be a disservice to longterm life of the car. Sure it would not be original, but a new frame with an aged body would be the prefered combination to me since you have the looks but not the downside of the 70 year old questionable structural portions.
@Weissenschenkel
@Weissenschenkel Ай бұрын
Honestly I'd go for a full new chassis, since it might be far beyond possible repair. Not a question of saving time and money but playing on the safe side.
@theblackhand6485
@theblackhand6485 Ай бұрын
A new frame can be optical made old by using paint techniques and rust paint like spots and along the edges. Underneath all stays in tip top shape.
@DeanofMachines
@DeanofMachines Ай бұрын
It was definitely worth trying. If anything it made for an interesting video!
@SeasideGarage
@SeasideGarage Ай бұрын
it was fun to try!
@scottishcontentcreators
@scottishcontentcreators Ай бұрын
Toast. If you put this in a jig it's going to be ripped apart. New chassis looks like the sensible choice. You can always just keep the original chassis with the vehicle.
@SeasideGarage
@SeasideGarage Ай бұрын
True!.. its so thin
@foamyflightmaster9385
@foamyflightmaster9385 Ай бұрын
Worth a try for sure, but safety first. So replacement, I think, is the best choice.
@andrewmooreandrewrmoore7615
@andrewmooreandrewrmoore7615 Ай бұрын
Ingenious pulling mechanism though. Top marks for effort!
@SeasideGarage
@SeasideGarage Ай бұрын
Thanks!
@MrLekatt
@MrLekatt Ай бұрын
If you take out the engine and gearbox, which is quite easy, you can then take off the complete swingarm/steering assembly (4 big bolts) in one go. That will give you a much better view of the state of the frame. There are reinforcement plates behind the spots where the 4 big bolts goes through the frame and behind them there are usually rust. I believe it's possible to repair it, but it will probably be a very 'dusty' and laborious job. All the bent pieces should preferably be substituted for new 'parts' as they will probably have lost a lot of their original 'geometrical' strength. The steel is of a very thin gauge and welding it to modern thicker steel will also be a challenge - I've done it... 😰 (Also, while I remember, when you get to the body; Note that the A, B and C-pillars are not welded to the sill, they are brass soldered. Very smart solution as that keeps the steel 'soft' =not brittle, and much less prone to brake or even rust). Thanks for sharing! 👍
@jorgefernandez-mv8hu
@jorgefernandez-mv8hu Ай бұрын
That was a very nice try with the laser level. I would say to try and see if the front piece can be replaced, go for it otherwise get the new frame for it. These frames were built for liteness and a certain flexibility so the metal is thin. Look at it this way, at least you can try and improve your welding and fabricating skills on this frame. If it doesn't work then get the new one.
@SeasideGarage
@SeasideGarage Ай бұрын
I think new frame is the right thing...
@volvo-express
@volvo-express Ай бұрын
Whst you have is a bent chassis and rusted, thin metal.....you are been very considerate in your repair.
@DSperation
@DSperation Ай бұрын
I'm no expert, but that looks a relatively simple shaped section to cut out weld new metal in? Perhaps with a section from another dead chassis. Surely less hassle than swapping the chasis over. I know you hate cleaning stuff but I'd give the whole lot a jet wash in case there's other bits like that!
@kelleredward6153
@kelleredward6153 Ай бұрын
Amazing effort. Well done! Even if not successful.
@grayfool
@grayfool Ай бұрын
It was certainly worth a go but better safe than sorry. It wouldn't take much to really fold the front end in an accident now. I wouldn't want to be in it if that happened.
@ferguscosgrave7510
@ferguscosgrave7510 Ай бұрын
No harm in trying
@marcellorava6149
@marcellorava6149 Ай бұрын
You are a hero. It was worth trying!
@luisnunes8826
@luisnunes8826 Ай бұрын
I really see the point of repair rather then buy new. I also am not very able to see the right picture of the situation. But: what about cut the damaged area and weld fresh new steel?
@SeasideGarage
@SeasideGarage Ай бұрын
The problem is that its so thin, and I think its a lot of places actually... its after all from 1954... ;)
@maxeluy
@maxeluy Ай бұрын
In my opinion, the concept of originality disappears the moment the vehicle needs a replacement of an important part, from that moment on, everything is part of the vehicle's history, as well as the non-original wheel arch that you want to keep because It is part of the history of the vehicle, a new chassis is also going to be part of the history, in general the truly original vehicles are those that did not have much use and even then they will always need a replacement if you want to use them, if the vehicle had a life, sooner or later it will need a spare part and it will lose its "originality" and that's fine, you have to do everything possible to keep it running in good condition and not become obsessed with the originality which in the end can ruin the vehicle, something original in poor condition is also useless and is not in original condition, it is worn out and needs replacement, if it is going to be used and needs a replacement, you have to put that replacement in it and in the future that replacement will be part of its history, Nothing lasts forever, I understand that it is a shame to remove something original for a replacement, but that's how things are, they wear out, they break and eventually they have to be replaced, especially if they are an important and structural component.
@enricofumi8072
@enricofumi8072 Ай бұрын
the original 2cv chassis is quite weak, even compared to that of the renault 4L. i remember in the past i have seen alot of used citroens with the chassis bent in the front section. even a little corrosion is enough to make it crumble new ones are reinforced. i think the metal guy do hammer the area to release the stress.
@anidiotinaracingcar4874
@anidiotinaracingcar4874 Ай бұрын
I would change the chassis and not sweat for the originality, the body has enough patina to compensate A galvanised chassis a like 1000€ and it will make your life easier
@bjrnhjjakobsen2174
@bjrnhjjakobsen2174 Ай бұрын
Success is going from failure to failure without loos of enthusiasm. ― Winston S. Churchill
@paulwootton5378
@paulwootton5378 Ай бұрын
I am only about 5.30 in, but... If the reading number is smaller, 5 and a bit...then that part is higher It appears (at this point) that you are trying to bend "it" the wrong way. The left front needs to be raised...to make its reading/number smaller and match.
@SeasideGarage
@SeasideGarage Ай бұрын
I did bend it the right way... ;)
@rolandleusden
@rolandleusden Ай бұрын
For me it's simpel, I trade originality for safety anytime. The chassis is gone, buy a new galvanized one and the owner never need to think again.
@KirksAudioSanctum
@KirksAudioSanctum Ай бұрын
12:30 The best way to check would be to go through old footage of the car that you have taken. There would be enough to see if this was done by you. Looking at it, this looks like to me it has been there a long time, I doubt very much that you did this. More likely from the original impact.
@SeasideGarage
@SeasideGarage Ай бұрын
I think it was there, but i made it a lot worse... :)
@KirksAudioSanctum
@KirksAudioSanctum Ай бұрын
@@SeasideGarage Be proud of what you do. It is without doubt a learning curve. There really is nothing to lose on this chassis. It is quite a mess. I am sure you will fix it all in no time.
@andrewmooreandrewrmoore7615
@andrewmooreandrewrmoore7615 Ай бұрын
Wouldn't really be very happy with that chassis. Apart from the already weakened and thin areas in the front corner you can be sure the rest of it won't be great. The car needs to be safe above all.
@Ivorbiggin
@Ivorbiggin Ай бұрын
Seppo…..I think that chassis has been a chassis too long !!
@delukxy
@delukxy Ай бұрын
Is the chassis of this model of AZY the same as the 2CV chassis? Wondering if you can find someone who is doing a chassis change and has the old one that can supply the front part from their old one. You did also say that there were repair sections for these areas. Yes I know you have the Mehari chassis but using that would be a shame. I know the AZU isn't yours so I'm sure the owner has a say in this. Do your best but do it right.
@SeasideGarage
@SeasideGarage Ай бұрын
No its not completely the same
@alexanderjohannesson5867
@alexanderjohannesson5867 Ай бұрын
Kom nu jeg vil se den diesel knallert motor 🤣🙈
@SeasideGarage
@SeasideGarage Ай бұрын
Den kommer den kommer... jeg har klokket lidt i det med den.. så der bliver mere skille ad og fixe på den... :)
@johnwaga3702
@johnwaga3702 Ай бұрын
I would not spend any more time on this and just go for a new chassis.
@nickb5391
@nickb5391 Ай бұрын
Having restored many classics over the year I would cut the damaged area out allowing the chassis more flex, repair the damaged section & reweld it back in but in the case of the rotton area, I would make a repair piece, where it is bent behind the front axle it really needs heat to get it back to shape & maybe a smaller 'U' section put inside & a flat plate on the outside & wind it back straight
@magomat6756
@magomat6756 Ай бұрын
I think the frame is in bad chape its not your fault .9
@MetalTrabant
@MetalTrabant Ай бұрын
Nice try, but it's about 70 years old, thin, rusted, bent, cracked metal... it's not worth the risk of getting broken later on, possibly while driving or braking. The originality won't hurt much with a new one as you hardly see the car from underneath in normal use and the new will look like used in a few years anyway.
@rh95754
@rh95754 Ай бұрын
Get a new frame… They’re not expensive and safety is crucial
@tiitsaul9036
@tiitsaul9036 Ай бұрын
Chassis too far gone.
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