"I'm fine." The International signal from woman that they are ok, but that you are about to suffer some form of punishment.
@A_10_PaAng_1115 жыл бұрын
MattH Oh how true. 🙄🤦🏼♂️
@TheGooglyminotaur4 жыл бұрын
Almost got it.
@Nancy-xg9nc4 жыл бұрын
And deserve it!
@antonbruce12414 жыл бұрын
MattH...I can tell YOU are a married man!!!!!
@SpydeyDan6 жыл бұрын
I've gotta say, this really was a dick move on Leo's part. I mean, you either trust your press secretary or you don't. CJ hit it on the head later in this episode and even when this was brought up in later seasons. If he doesn't trust her enough to send her into the press room armed with the facts, then he should fire her, and vice versa.
@crucisnh6 жыл бұрын
I don't see it that way, Dan. Sometimes you don't want to confirm something, and you don't want to put the press secretary in a position where they have to lie to the press, so you cut the PrSec out of the loop. If you "trust" the PrSec and tell him or her what's going in, then they either tell the truth and let the story slip when you'd rather it didn't, or they have to lie and thus risk whatever credibility they have with the WH press pool. It seems to me that keeping the PrSec out of the loop on occasion is the better option.
@A_10_PaAng_1116 жыл бұрын
crucisnh You don’t want to put them in a position where they have to lie to the Press? What bubble do you live in? That’s what the whole job is! Towing the company line. If you’re not willing than yeah, your boss won’t trust you.
@nakedfaves6 жыл бұрын
..........and then @ 3:16 Leo says "You'll tell the room you spoke without knowing the facts". She can tell the room she was told that nothing was happening because IF the press didn't know what the oval office people did she would have avoided a news cycle that may have blown up in everybodys face.
@vulcanxv4 жыл бұрын
nakedfaves so if you’re the press, why even listen to CJ at all? she may not know what she’s talking about and don’t even have the full facts.
@cameron1205873 жыл бұрын
Kennedy kept his Press Secretary out of the loop until the official announcement of the OAS sanctioned quarantine of Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis because if he was briefed the press would find out. Sometimes you need to compartmentalize information to make sure you have options later.
@leonkernan5 жыл бұрын
She wasn't fine, it wasn't over until she took Leo's job.
@SamuelPearlman3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, she gave him a couple heart attacks, and THEN called it even.
@A_10_PaAng_1113 жыл бұрын
@@SamuelPearlman Hell hath no fury as a woman's scorn.
@Truckergregg2 жыл бұрын
“I want to be the guy- you want to be the guy the guy counts on”
@Adenfall Жыл бұрын
I love the "I've already had words," I would've loved to be on that wall in Bartlett chewed out the CIA Director
@RJSAMCRO3 жыл бұрын
This was a bad bad choice not telling CJ. The Press needs to trust her and when she comes out and says it's a full lid she believes it, how bad does it look when a reporter quotes a source exactly and CJ gets completely blindsided and is made to appear like a liar or the beginnings of a cover up. The Press Sec needs to know all things at all times or not just the press pool but the world begins to question their validity and honesty.
@danielk5780 Жыл бұрын
On the contrary, information is circulated on a need to know basis. CJ made an assumption that she would be told about something like that and went out on a limb to deny it. She could've just said "That's the first I hear about it. I will check with my superiors and come back to you in the morning." So the problem here really is, that somewhere along the way, CJ got the impression that she will always be in the loop about something like this. She ignored the first rule of engaging with the press: If you have nothing to say, say nothing.
@craighanson-rc1md7 ай бұрын
First of all the president has to know he can trust her when's in the know but lying for a good reason like security yet she clearly doesn't do that until now. As they say she's to chummy with the press & sometimes she has to find ways of answering questions without putting things at risk & to some that means lying. It's not that big of a deal she's also only the press sec not a joint chief or even a political advisor. Honestly I'm not sure why Toby or Sam were there they're speech writers not joint chiefs or military or political advisors. Now of them even knew anything about India or pakistan yet they were in the room talking about it. I guess because bartlett trusted them some how. And an ambassador wouldn't have been any help either other then in trying to communicate the response or message of the president. THe ambassador for the USA or either india or pakistan wouldn't have known India's plans anymore then the others would. I'm invading Iran I'm not going to tell my ambassador let alone their ambassador until the very last minute & then it's only going to be the Iranian ambassador in the sense of "i'm about to invade your country because of Iranian support to islamic terrorists" that's it & let them run off to warn their people. Meanwhile mine are crossing or close to crossing the border helping hopefully to lower casualties for both sides & making a success quicker. Press Secs need to know nothing they need only to report the facts as they know it & these days how often does that happen?
@morgand.38093 жыл бұрын
So bizarre to see this now in 2020. I mean, a White House press secretary that actually cares about keeping a trustworthy relationship with the reporters. Just... surreal.
@zippyzipster463 жыл бұрын
Especially when they suck the Democrat’s ass. Colbert’s interview about Hunter Biden proves the media is owned by the elite rich like democrat Bezos and Zucky.
@morgand.38093 жыл бұрын
@@zippyzipster46 Oh, look, a troll wanting to pick a fight. Isn't it cute?
@lancer5253 жыл бұрын
@@morgand.3809 Not really... After four years of constant lies, intentional misrepresentations, bigotry, fascism, and a president with the I.Q. of a four year old, it isn't cute. It's sad, really...
@crucisnh3 жыл бұрын
@@morgand.3809 Oh, look, a lefty shill that wants to kiss a Democrat prez's behind. The press is so in the pocket of Biden, they might as well be the propaganda arm of the DNC.
@crucisnh3 жыл бұрын
@@lancer525 Now, now. Talking about Biden that way is soooo disrespectful. Heck, by 2024, he'll probably be in a retirement home.
@BlackDiamond27184 жыл бұрын
This was really bad that they deceived her. She is given what is necessary for her to do her job and they brief her. She is part of the main staff and she should be aware of these things.
@E.JayViera4 жыл бұрын
If you look at what can be considered the sitcom version of the West Wing, Spin City, the press secretary is purposefully kept out of the loop. It’s a tactic just to make sure things are played out by the politicians and not by the press. It’s not deliberately to make the press secretary stupid but to make sure they don’t leak things to the press.
@BlackDiamond27184 жыл бұрын
Edwin J. Viera Kinda reminds me how toby had his problem with his stock because he could influence policy that could alter the value of stocks. The thing is there is always sensitive information that should be withheld but CJ should have known what she could say. If she could not know something then they should tell her that.
@nigelft4 жыл бұрын
The problem is that it isn't as black and white as that ... The White House press secretary is the interface with the press corps, which means sometimes knowing less is easier. If CJ had announced that India and Pakistan were marching towards each other with a huge number of troops, as Toby Toby adroitly observed, any conventional war between those two may not necessarily end that way. So far, it always has, but is always the next time ... Also going into a Press Briefing announcing what had just happened, whilst the Administration was still formulating a game plan, is the worst of both worlds: firstly, the Press Corps itself can be pretty ruthless. They'll ask the pretty tough questions that CJ didn't have the answers to, and for, because she didn't know, as at that point, the White House didn't know either. Which leads to the Perception Problem: if CJ didn't know, that means the White House doesn't know. And whilst CJ is changing her clothes, after being soaked in swear from the utter mauling she would have gone through, those same reports at best would say its too early, but at worst say that firstly, why the hell there was such a massive failure in Intelligence, but equally, by the time the Press Briefing happened, why there was a clear early strategy, that the White House is clearly bungling things right now, especially when it comes the to two nuclear powers that border each other, yet hate each other with such intense passion, that _any_ minior conflict could easily spiral out into use of tatical nuclear weapons. Hence, it was far easier to send CJ in that briefing not knowing anything (and legitimately say she didn't, because she didn't ...), and give the Administration some breathing room to come up with an initial response, instead of looking like they were bungling through the whole thing ... Yes, the next day, CJ was pretty pissed of, and told Leo as much, especially as they're was at least reporter whom picked up on the rumours of massive troop movements along the India-Pakistan border, rumours she had to flatly deny, thus making her look like both a liar, and stupid. At the same time, she also recognized that had she gone into that Briefing with too few answers both her, and, by proxy, President Bartlett, would have been utterly mauled in the the first edition newspapers. So by legitimately not knowing, she didn't have to actually lie, which meant that the WH did indeed have that breathing space overnight to put in place an initial plan, or at least the very beginnings of one. When it was first aired in the 1990s, the news cycle was such you could've gotten away with such a tatic. Today, that wouldn't fly at all ... and hence why the Press Secretary has to be fully briefed, otherwise the mauling will be much, much, worse ... Hope that makes sense ...
@BlackDiamond27184 жыл бұрын
nigelft my point is that letting her know correct or at least accurate information is necessary. If there are sensitive details then let her know why some stuff is hidden.
@jackbrady97384 жыл бұрын
@@nigelft well written I completely agree. It's definitely the tactic to make press sec out of the loop unless they're as good as CJ at not spilling information that doesn't need to be said
@pschroeter12 жыл бұрын
I hope CJ took the reporter aside and apologized and then offered to let him break the story earlier than the rest of the press corp.
@danielhamilton11302 жыл бұрын
Not sure if that would go well w rest of the press pool
@Foldy435 Жыл бұрын
She has nothing to apologise for.
@jamesrawlins735 Жыл бұрын
If you look at Dee Dee Meyers, Bill Clinton's press secretary (and the inspiration for CJ Cregg), she was often left out of the loop, then blasted by the press for withholding information. All she could do is go home and cry, then come back the next day and do her job. It should be said all press secretaries (not just the President but Governors and politicians) have info withheld from them or even lied to.
@cameron1205873 жыл бұрын
Kennedy kept his Press Secretary out of the loop until the official announcement of the OAS sanctioned quarantine of Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis because if he was briefed the press would find out. Sometimes you need to compartmentalize information to make sure you have options later.
@ChrisGWGreen4 жыл бұрын
I want to be in the room.
@thomasoliver2703 жыл бұрын
When it happens?
@ChrisGWGreen3 жыл бұрын
@@thomasoliver270 the room where it happened…
@Egilhelmson Жыл бұрын
Why does the US Press Secretary have the responsibility of notifying the world that a couple of non-allies are “acting up”? Doesn’t the UK keep a watch on them, too? What CJ needs to do is explain to the reporter that she was out of the loop too, by a couple hours, and he will get first info on this crisis, and maybe an exclusive for the next story, too.
@ladyteruki5 жыл бұрын
"Oops"
@max124711 жыл бұрын
I hate to be that guy but..Kashmir is landlocked and the furthest point from the coast you can get in India. So how did they commit destroyers to the attack?
@SapphireCrusader19886 жыл бұрын
Long range missiles.
@akshatprakash8716 жыл бұрын
In the actual kargil conflict where India was attacked first and Pakistan had taken a few high points, India had an escalation plan by using its navy to blocade Pakistani ports, in reality we were planning to use our aircraft carrier.
@PjD01503 жыл бұрын
They’ve had some of these moments. One time they mentioned getting to or from Zambia via sea/ocean. Zambia is also landlocked with no coast.
@wilburnjackson41702 жыл бұрын
There's nowhere on earth that we can't get a DDG close enough to that we can't hit them with a Tomahawk. At least that was true when I was in the Navy.
@bobert4him6 жыл бұрын
I wish I had coworkers that forgiving.
@Whitsoxrule14 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say she's forgiven anything. She's a professional and she recognizes in this moment that the issue at hand is more important than her personal problem of being kept out of the loop. Doesn't mean she's not gonna have some words about it when this is over.
@sovak754 жыл бұрын
She wasn’t forgiving. Whenever a woman says tings are “fine” they aren’t. It means she’s just being polite and telling you what an @$$ you are. Watch your back!
@robertsilva10162 жыл бұрын
I would be pissed off at CJ they made her look like a liar in front of the world you can tell that CJ is really pissed off she's beyond pissed off I would be too
@saintroddy Жыл бұрын
Been a while since I watched the ep, so I don't recall context, but why are Josh, Sam, and Toby in the room for this? They're all senior advisers, of course, but none of them have much foreign policy experience at all.
@Egilhelmson Жыл бұрын
Toby and Sam were in the WH Communications Dept., while Josh was Leo’s #2 and had a ticket to the Bunker in case of nuclear attack, so he certainly should be there, of the group.
@saintroddy Жыл бұрын
But in every other international incident in the show, nobody but Leo (and later CJ, but only as chief of staff) is in the room. None of the other senior advisers.
@robertsilva10162 жыл бұрын
If I was suppressed secretary I would tell the chief of staff if you don't trust me then I'll just quit trust is Earned Trust Goes Both Ways
@stephen2583 Жыл бұрын
sure you would, you would just give up one of the most prestigous and powerful jobs in the world because your feelings got hurt.
@penboyasgod61032 жыл бұрын
*Here's a thought:* _Dare to compare this scenario to anything and everything that happened in Donald Trump's "administration."_
@stanbrown11512 жыл бұрын
While in this administration the guy acting as president can't even call on reporters without looking at a pre approved call list. Biden is the biggest joke of the world right now and we suffer for it
@penboyasgod61032 жыл бұрын
@@stanbrown1151 And you would prefer to have someone like ..... _Trump as President?_ jesus, you're fucking mentally ill.
@ReleaseMyKrakken4 жыл бұрын
"im fine"....... Yes, because we all know what that fucking means lol
@blimy01maynard306 ай бұрын
Maybe Leo should have told her but she shouldn't have made fun of the press guy. She is a professional liar and knows Leo and the rest are also professional liars. She just saw them hush up when she walked into the room then she was asked that out of nowhere question.
@Generalscorpio3 жыл бұрын
"As soon as you tell them India's the story this is forgotten." - I don't understand that reference. Does the US media have some preference for stories about Pakistan? Are they not interested in India?
@deb85ish3 жыл бұрын
I think he was saying that once the story about the war between Pakistan and India broke, that was all the reporters would focus on, rather than the embarrassing situation CJ was in from being left out of the loop. They would forget she called it ridiculous etc.
@A_10_PaAng_1113 жыл бұрын
If you were watching carefully you'd realize that in the plot it was India that crossed the neutral zone. India was the aggressor. Thats why India will be the story.
@HussainAkbar4 жыл бұрын
300,000 for each or both? Kashmir is 1,500 miles from the coast so the destroyers would need to be cut into tiny pieces, carried over and reassembled. I guess a new coat of paint would also be needed.
@NT-fo3me4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, because an all out war between India and Pakistan would be limited to the Kashmir region and not also include any naval conflicts since they each have a coastline.
@jackbrady97384 жыл бұрын
@@NT-fo3me hahahahaha
@jinma48844 жыл бұрын
cj was recruited in la Hollywood biz right?making 6 figures or 7.。
@charlesoshea48034 жыл бұрын
She was fired from her LA job and Toby got her on the rebound for the campaign, which took off.
@dauferm Жыл бұрын
Not a good move... feels bad for CJ.
@craighanson-rc1md7 ай бұрын
I don't know why she takes it so personal not everyone can have a place on the starting team all the time for a variety of reasons in this case her emotions & she's press secretary not a military or even political advisor really certainly not for something like this. I don't know why she took it so hard it's shows her immaturity & naivety. She at times has to lie or withhold from the press just as she learns later when she has to lie to danny about the assassination & the time she lied about a rescue mission or something I forget. She later is confronted by danny & she says if lying to you helped the mission then I can sleep fine today. I believe it was a rescue or attack response mission & danny had asked about using someone's air space. Why was every character so naive immature & stuck in fake realities even for tv series. BTW sometimes one has to be the good bad guy to do good.
@pennsharon80982 жыл бұрын
It must have been jarring to be the only woman and being left out
@andersonjuniocollege10 жыл бұрын
This is fictionalized version of the Kargil war. Kargil war happened before 9/11, at a time when USA and Pakistan were allies. That is why Sorkin tried to show that it was India that made a unprovoked attack. I am liberal who loved West Wing... but such blatant propaganda even put me to shame !!!
@vreddy9210 жыл бұрын
This is the same TV show that had Canada preparing to wage war with the US, right? No reason to take it overly seriously.
@andersonjuniocollege9 жыл бұрын
***** Thats the sad part! I mean I have so much respect for Sorkin but using a war as a propoganda tool after so many soldiers had already died is very downright despicable... But I remember there was an episode in season 4 where he was singing praises of India... So I guess that was his attempt at redemption! :P
@firstname43379 жыл бұрын
andersonjuniocollege it's a drama you moron, not a documentary -- don't expect every thing to be true to life -- and when it isn't that doesn't mean it's propaganda
@andersonjuniocollege9 жыл бұрын
First of all... I love it when people start their arguments by insulting you! Real mature buddy! Secondly, this episode came out after India-US relations had thawed due to India testing their nuclear weapons! I am not actually making that up... thats true! So its just the timing that seems odd!
@antourte18 жыл бұрын
+andersonjuniocollege If you call someone a propagandist for loosely basing a storyline on past events, you're going to get some names thrown back at you. There weren't that many details about who did what, nobody was being blamed, it's just a thing that happened that the staff had to react to, calm down.