Aren't race cars supposed to be light weight?

@@ericturner1655 a trailer that big is like 7k lbs, 2 race cars with all the stuff is probably another 7k. that’s not light for a single wheel/68rfe

I usually have any where form 20,000-25'000lbs on my 9,200lb trailer. Granted this is my dually. I just don't understand bragging about tow capabilities numbers that are on par with what these 1/2 ton gasser are rated at.

@@ericturner1655 A guy with a dually towing 25k, doesn’t understand the difference towing between a half ton truck and 3/4. A half ton won’t tow what a 3/4 ton will, and at its max literally cowers in the corner shaking. Some peoples fuckin kids. But hey, you’re the one bragging with your dually, right?🤣

I do hate bud wheels. My truck has 33s on 18 inch wheels and I HATE IT! I want smaller wheels . 16s would be fine but I don’t think I can reduce with the size of my brakes. I want bigger tires too obv but it’s so much more money and work. Gears and lifts and such. My truck is only leveled right now. Well I blabbered on...

It’s not only looks, trucks ride better when setup like that. Smaller bumps are absorbed by the tire

Did you do the full leaf pack in the rear? If so did you have to make custom brackets for the airbags?

We'll have to get a willing 3500 leaf spring truck to make a video with!

@@CJCOffRoad You could test a long travel air bag setup on my 2016 2500 with rear coils!

@@CJCOffRoad I have a brand new F350 CCSB. You guys are more than welcome to throw a system on it and do all the videos you want. Just give me a discount!

CJC Off Road I got a ram 3500 2018 y’all can try out

@@CJCOffRoad I’ve got a Ram 2500 2021 You guys can test on

We actually covered that in a Q&A video here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gMufmclnr6utqY0.html. This other video isn't ours, but it does a great job explaining gearing with larger tires: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jJaUoM6hs9-VYYU.html

Was it a huge improvement after Carli suspension installed? Thanks

Hey buddy. I got a 2010 f350 6.4. How’s the setup holding up for you?

Thanks! 👍

We are not Carli Suspension, but we are their largest retailer and we’re located about 45 minutes from their facility. We work closely with Carli in every step of the process in these suspension systems!

Thank you!

We just need the trucks and time to film it! Re-gearing depends on your starting ratio and personal preference. We always recommend doing 37s, and then seeing how you feel. For a truck towing that much, a 20/37 set up is probably going to be the better choice.

It’s a HUGE improvement! The added damping of the shocks goes a long way to add stability and reduce trailer feedback too.

No trans tuning on this truck!

That’s an easy fix! All headlights are adjustable and MUST be adjusted after any height change on the truck. Just turn the adjustment screw on the light to angle the lights to the factory specs!

We have! Legalities have always held us back, but we’ll make it a reality eventually!

I’m in

We typically recommend doing a track bar to correct front end geometry with the level. It's included with the 14+ pintop level shown in this video, but needs to be added to the Carli Fox 2.0 level.

Of course! That’s a given. The 2500s have low capacity from the factory, so adding a soft ride spring reduces it further. If you want to tow with a 3” system on a Ram 2500, just run a set of Timbrens when you do, and take them out to enjoy the ride quality and off road capability the rest of the time! That gets you the best of both worlds. The entire purpose of the leveling system is to retain the rear coils for people that need factory capacity at all times, and are willing to give up off road ride to achieve that.

@@CJCOffRoad I'm really wanting to do the 3" pintop system with torsion bar on my '16 2500. I like the idea of the bolt on/bolt off capability with the Timbrens to supplement. Do you have an estimate as to how much of an impact on the factory payload capacity with this set up or is it pretty close to factory?

The 3” system with rear coils retains 85% payload. For times that you need to have full capacity for towing, Timbrens are literally four bolts and go in place of the factory bump stop. You don’t want to off road with the Timbrens in place though. They’re an on road only towing/payload solution.

Absolutely! Just email us at sales@cjcoffroad.com

This is a stock rear coil, so it squats just like a stock truck! Feel free to add airbags or Timbrens as needed.

That’s a Thule Rack with a roof top tent!

If you feel that you need a gear change, simply re-gear the truck!

That all depends on the exact tire and size you're running. Make sure to consult the load inflation table from your tire manufacturer for the specific model and tire size you have to get the answer for your set up.

No they need to be mounted to the frame and axle, and are designed to work with 12" of rear wheel travel. If you want to maintain a full 14" of travel, you'll need to use Timbrens or Sumos with spacers and remove them when empty. Any airbag kit will sacrifice either upward or droop travel sadly.

We do! It’s a off menu kit, but send us an email and we’ll get you set up!

The 2500 trucks have coil rear springs so you can’t run a full leaf pack. As for the trans, this truck is able to shift through all gears just fine, even with the load.

For something in that weight range we recommend running a Carli pintop system paired with a Custom deaver spring rear leaf pack. They can build a pack for any weight, so it’s always best to build out the camper and weigh it with all your gear before going ahead with the pack. That will get you the best ride with zero sacrifices!

@@CJCOffRoad Thank you sir. I'll look into it. Camper won't be built until February. Very expensive truck and camper...why not make it real nice, huh? Especially since I travel to remote trailheads, etc...it would be nice to see some video of this spring/shock combo on a rig with a pop up on it. Not doing "Rapor" like moves, of course...just driving down an uneven dirt road without all the drama. That video you guys had of a stock F-250 vs. another with the Cali really opened my eyes.

Do you have a 2500 or 3500 Ram?

@@CJCOffRoad I have a 2020 F250 Tremor 6.7

Sick truck!

Definitely do a full 3” system on the truck. If it’s street driven only, the Commuter is great. If you want to hit the dirt, the back country and pintop are where it’s at!

Try Bilstein 4600 shocks. They are standard on the Power Wagon.

Here’s a link: www.cjcoffroad.com/SDHQ-03-CURRENT-DODGE-RAM-SDHQ-BUILT-A-PILLAR-LIG-p/sdhq-ram-a-pillar-.htm

Either one works, but for towing heavy on 37s 4.10 is preferable.

If you're running a ram w/ 68RFE i would do 4.30,. 4.10 puts you -5% under stock, 4.30 puts you 15% over stock with 37s. My mid-life 35" with 4.30 im at 1900 rpm@ 70mph

Since those use a softer rear coil, we use these airbags to tow just like a stock truck: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d5ibktKk3NKthKM.html

I do agree on that. I'd like to see that as well or even that setup, but with airbags. Very curious.

Easy, if that’s your needs first off you should buy the 3500 not the 2500, and then you use the long travel Carli airbags with the leaf spring setup and load leveling electronics if you want to get fancy.

That's spot on! For that kind of towing, we'd recommend doing a 3500 with the factory rear leaf pack and air bags, or the Carli add a pack with air bags. This video is much more within the towing needs of our average customer so that's why we made it.

This is a Carli level system. All Carli and Thuren level systems retain the factory rear coils and as a result, the complete factory payload and towing specs.

We’d recommend sticking with the factory springs if you’re driving around with a plow for months at a time.

We do not unfortunately.

Very well, although for an overland style build we always recommend getting a leaf sprung Ram 3500 or Ford. The rear coil sprung Ram 2500s don’t make a good platform because of the low payload capacity.

Very well. I have Carli Pinetop leveling I kit and a 3300lb truck camper on a Ram 3500 dually. Night and day difference from stock ride. Obviously w 3300lbs in the bed there is some reverse rake, I level out with air bags and it has been a dream. Would do it again in a heart beat.

@@adamsaint-prix6632 Thanks Adam

Parts of that video is definitely Utah too!

The off road sections shown were filmed in Utah. Sadly we didn't take any video of the Nevada dirt trip!

It has to do with the exact options. The standard leaf springs alone reduce capacity, but when paired with factory air ride or Carli's airbag system full capacity is retained. Carli also has multiple leaf spring options with higher capacity for trucks with campers etc. Long story short, we can always tailor a build to your needs.

@@CJCOffRoad thank you for such a quick reply. So if I am using a gooseneck like in this video loaded down to the max, but want to have the most comfortable ride quality while on the interstate. What rear leaf spring option should I choose if I do get airbags for the rear?

If you don't mind, send us an email to sales@cjcoffroad.com and include the average pin weight of your trailer. We'll recommend the best setup! It's hard to keep up and give detailed recommendations on KZfaq.

Lots! Check out our Instagram page for examples.

I think 35’s are the best compromise if you tow heavy with the carli leveling kit

Michael Liechty yeah I’m thinking level or the lift down the road, I just don’t see a need for more than 35’s

CJC Off Road thanks, I’ll add y’all to my IG

I would recommend re gearing to 4:10

Definitely would not pull that much load (w/35 or 37) without a re-gear

This truck has 3.42 gears and is not re-geared. For what you're describing though we'd recommend re-gearing to 4.10s.

ran 3.42 on mine for years w/ 35" towing a 40ft 17k toyhauler. sucks in the hills, but fine in the flats. I did gear to 4.30 w/ 35", with the option for 37". on your 68RFE 4.10 is good, but puts you est. 5% under stock RPM.

These are 17x8.5 wheels with 5.5” backspace.

That truck is on the Carli Pintop 2.5” level.

Just shocks

Here's a video we filmed of it! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pt6piqR4xr_NfYU.html

Saggy ass towing anything...

@@TheWardeddog What you mean?

Saggy ass towing what did you miss

Yes you can on the leaf sprung truck, but we don’t recommend using airbags on the coil rear end Ram 2500s.

@@CJCOffRoad why do you not recommend using bags on the coil sprung trucks?

@@CJCOffRoad why don’t you guys recommend bags on the coil spring trucks

This truck is using Timbrens, but keep in mind those are the factory rear coils with a level system, so it would be the same result as if the truck was completely factory. Timbrens can also be used on the 3” systems.

@@CJCOffRoad Ok , Thanks. I have the same truck , completely stock 2018 , so I'm really liking your channel.

Stock powertrain with factory 3.42 gears.

@@CJCOffRoad how does it pull with 37s that load is 16k at least

If we were towing this multiple times a week we’d probably re-gear, but the owner of the truck is actually very happy with factory gears even towing his 5th wheel camper that comes in around 16k pounds.

Long Beach, Ca.

This system maintains factory rear coils and capacity, with massive 2.5" custom tuned king shocks made so you can jump the truck. The increase in composure over a stock monotube shock is night and day.

Neptune's Net!

Actually this is a fantastic example since the Carli leveling systems were designed SPECIFICALLY for customers that want better off road performance, with no impact on their factory towing and payload specs. On the 3" systems you have multiple options depending on the make, model, and year of your truck. If you share that, we can recommend a set up and give specific payload/towing specs!

You know the truck squats in the back before you add the leveling kit right?

@@CJCOffRoad I think what he is saying is we don't see a bunch of comments from people who are claiming a front only level is effecting tow capacity so why even make the video? Does anyone expect to lose tow capacity when they are retaining their rear factory set up? You sort of made it sound like there is this "myth" out there that this is the case when all I have ever read are people saying the Carli rear options reduce payload fairly dramatically, which is true. Anyway, I wish there was a way to keep the rear capacity AND get a softer ride but that isn't physically possible. Airbags can correct the sag but won't increase the payload. I'm going with a front level and bigger blocks in the rear and still adding airbags.

@@suburbanhobbyist2752 Believe it or not we get this question via email and phone EVERY DAY. For some reason people think that a leveling kit will impact towing and we wanted to correct that idea with this video.

I think those skid steers are over 9k by themselves. Not sure on the trailer weight but I’d expect a couple of tons for that too. Whoops, hadn’t got to that portion yet.

We couldn't put anything heavier behind the truck and stay legal! This load was exactly to the truck's max towing/ GVWR. Those skid steers and GN trailers are heavier than they look.

Rears were set at 55psi for the towing portion of this video. Pressure is entirely dependent on your exact tire specs though, so make sure to consult the manufacturer load inflation table for your exact set up.

@@CJCOffRoad thank you ...

This truck is on factory 3.42 gears.

CJC Off Road 3.42? Is that a new ratio they offer I thought it was 3.73 or 4.10 Thanks great video I will be calling as soon as I get my new Ram

No, it was a common ratio for the 14-18 2500 trucks. 3.73 and 4.10 are going to be the preferred ratios especially for 37s!

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I believe they only sell lifts for trucks

Cropgun 😂

Nope! Factory 3.42s with almost 90k miles daily driving, towing and going off road on 37s!

@@CJCOffRoad Geezus - 90k miles? You guys just got it less than a year ago. I get it though. When you're not driving it, you're thinking about driving it.

@@ziggy149 Its a 2015

Always Dream My bad. I thought that was the one they just bought. It was a long day today

@@ziggy149 I had to go back & replay to make sure. lol

I mean it looks exactly the same

@@dee_petrik 2012 has the ladder bar type front end while the 14 newer has the single arm completely diff now the 4500 and 5500 brand new Cummins has the same setup as 12 but it’d just be nice if they did one like mine that’s all I’ve seen every style but mine

Naysayers yeas and no. 1 that trucks ass is sagging, meaning it’s towing it but light on the front end and CVSE would pull that truck off the road in a heart beat up here. 2. 15000#. Isn’t really that heavy by today’s standards. There’s a place for a 3/4 ton and a place for a 1 ton and the naysayers like me tow more than what a 2500 is legal for. That being said, I’m sold on better, taller springs, not pucks and a more substantial track bar as well a steering box stabilizer and of course a shock upgrade. I will be calling you guys this fall for either a Carli or Thuren levelling system for my DRW 3500. ( front only, air bags in the back). I tow on the highway and or logging roads more often than off-road.

Any truck is going to squat at the maximum towing spec. You can't expect zero squat when towing at the absolute maximum specs of the truck! You have to be reasonable with your needs and do suspension accordingly. If you're looking to tow over 20k, then a 3500 with air bags is a must, and you'll probably want to retain the factory leaf springs. You can still get a solid ride quality improvement with a Carli 3500 level and actually improve towing comfort using high end, tuned shocks with more damping to control trailer feedback. The other option is doing a Carli Air assist system on a factory air assist truck. That's the only 3" system on the market that has full four corner springs, dramatically improves ride, and keeps factory towing and payload specs.

It actually isn’t! The owner kept it on the factory 3.42 gears.

Absolutely! We typically recommend the 3500 Rams for that though.

The Fords actually tow better since they use a leaf spring rear end. Capacity is higher than the Ram 2500s, and there's more airbag options for supplementation too.

Over 100k miles on this setup without issue!

There's no mystery to uncover! The Carli level systems retain stock rear coils and just add better shocks, so you end up getting stock payload/towing specs with more damping control thanks to the shocks. The whole purpose of a level height system is retaining the factory rear springs, but controlling sway and ride more effectively.

@@CJCOffRoad awesome, thank you!