This is the other side of wrapping most youtubers don´t show, this is a realistic content. Thanks so much for sharing this

This is the type of perfectionist you want working on your ANYTHING! LUL

Hahaha, dude, I have never laughed so hard during a wrapping video. All that sarcasm towards 3M was awesome. Keep it up man!

I have one of 3M’s techs flying out to meet with us about these issues, I’ll show him this video and see what he says 👍 I’m pretty much done with 3M

Even being a brand new subscriber, just subscribed 4 or 5 days ago, I do love you see your humbleness to admit you are still learning and sometimes need help and advice and your honesty as a person and with your work. Then there is your dedication and "stuborness" to get things to perfection. Man, watching your videos make me want to get into wrapping and the few times I tried, I was bad but I will give it a go. I am much better painting with spray paint than with vinyl. Man I would love to fly from europe to see you in person do a job. Keep up the good work and amazing atitude. Your atitude is the one that all companies, employers and employees should have because cheating is not in your mind!

I appreciate your videos. You really come across as a cool guy who is trying to do a respectable job, and cares about the quality of wrapping cars. This work looks extremely frustrating and tedious.

I’m in the industry for over 30 years now and used a ton of brands over the years. 3M has built quite a reputation when it comes to quality and let’s be honest, their stuff is priced like it’s the best on the market. It’s a given that their glue is superior in cast fillms, double sided tapes and painters tapes. 3M was one of the first to manufacture wrap vinyls and in my opinion were the best on the market back then. Not anymore. Nowadays I would always choose any Avery vinyl over the competing 3M product. The thing is that I always have to explain why because of 3M’s reputation because 3M is known as being “the best worldwide”. But “the best worldwide” shouldn’t break that easily when stretching it to the limit, shouldn’t end up with glue lines. In my experienced opinion it’s simply “the most overrated and overpriced brand”. It took me years to discover that I wasn’t failing, but the product was. Because I was used to trusting 3M’s reputation over myself. As far as I can see you are a perfectionist and built quite a rep yourself in showing all possible parts of the proces and even schooled me on some parts. There’s only one thing you did “wrong”: the choice of brand.

Hi Christian, I've been wrapping for around 17 years so have a lot of experience with 3M. When working with 3M and other vinyls that seem to drop the glue when repositioning, before removing the backing paper I try to trim the panel as close as I can get it to the panel I'm wrapping if I know the vinyl is going to need a lot of manipulation. I would leave more excess material on the areas where I know I'll need to heat to get them to conform (for example on the top of the wing/fender your wrapping. I would trim the arch out closer to the wing which will let you get the vinyl down further without having to apply heat (before removing your backing paper). This will help remove stress from your vinyl in advance. When heating, heat further away from where you really want to relax the vinyl. This will stop the glue from rebounding at your fitted edge or anywhere the vinyl is touching the panel, which is the reason the glue drops and leaves a line. I know it's not ideal but when taking the top of the wing/fender over the best way to not get glue lines when there is a big stretch is either have someone hold the vinyl until you heat it and both pull over at the same time to get the vinyl flat and take it down in one movement so that you don't need to reposition which will leave start leaving glue lines. If you don't have someone to help then roll up a piece of backing paper into a tight tube, put some masking tape around it to hold it together and stick it to the excess vinyl at the top of the wing. This way you will be able to keep the whole section off the panel whilst you heat it and straighten it out and can then pull it all over uniformly. If any if this doesn't make sense or you have any questions get back to me and I'll try and explain other ways to help work with this vinyl. Even though certain glues are advertised as reposition-able they actually require an old school fitting technique like how we used to fit the original colour change vinyls that you only get one go at I.e. Avery 900 etc super thin, super brittle, bubble easily, drop glue, generally require two maybe three fitters to fit a complex panel...yeah anyhow you get the picture. Hope this helps

Crazy how easy you make it look man. Glue lines or not you’re an absolute artist man. Keep it up

Enjoyed the view with GoPro. Definitely helped. Keep up the good work and thank you for being so informative! I've watched hours of your work and it is top notch!

CK, you know as well as we so that it's not your technique. You clearly show your technique and it works with all other vinyls. You're a seriously talented car wrapper. I'd stop using 3m personally. Great video to expose 3m though.

the best channel about car wrapping in the world. Greetings from Poland

Shopping for a wrap... glad I watched this. Thanks for making it.

I'm new to this industry and I want to thank you because I got started with this job, I learned a nice one, so I behaved like that and now I do what I like. thanks again !!!!

it's cool that you're willing to ask for help with a product you're having trouble with... true professional

Living in Ottawa, and hands down, you're the best I saw in a while!! Don't give up my dude!

im glad theres people out there who still have pride in their work, and even if it seems ocd its not

Awesome Vid as always. Thanks for heads up on 3M..

Hey CK Wraps, 3M had some glue line issues a few years ago during the manufacturing process. This was the 180CV3 (could be other medias from them too). I do a lot of commercial applications (printed jobs). Not going to bash 3M but it was there even on flat areas. And I received a roll of their 480mc new print media were the release liner was not embossed properly ruining a full printed wrap for a client (air release channels were blocked). Bubbles that couldn't be popped, the adhesive layer just clobbed up. My supplier made good with a fresh roll & 3M made good on the reimbursement to them. Your techniques look good. As you know, some of the lines will gel over a few days but I feel you on the frustration. Color change wraps have to be a nightmare as we are so reliant on the media being perfect.

This is one of the most humble, yet brutal takedowns of a product I have ever seen.

I think the problem definitely lies in the product itself. About 3 years ago I used 3m’s gloss black vinyl to do my roof and at this point I had never wrapped anything before. With that wrap the vinyl cam out flawless and absolutely no glue lines. Since then I have done several other different parts on friends cars just trying to practice before working up the courage to do my whole car. So about 4 months ago I ordered 3m’s gloss wicked wrap because I thought it was the best looking purple color on the market and it set me back about $680 for the roll. The same day I got the material I did my hood and I got glue lines ALL OVER. At first I thought okay maybe I used too much heat because I had noticed a spot where I overstretched it and the color had faded so I decided to try other parts on the car and then come back to it and redo it. I did my mirrors and got glue lines. I did my doors and got glue lines. I even did my gas lid and there were glue lines. Really. There were glue lines on a 6x8 square, flat gas cap with no curves or anything. It’s been very discouraging working with this material and I haven’t even finished the car yet because no matter what I try I end up with glue lines. I originally chose 3m’s gloss wicked because I wanted a purple color that was dark and wasn’t very in your face. I wanted a subtle color and it almost looks black which I exactly what I wanted. Now I don’t even know anymore, I almost just wish I had kept it white. If you can find anything out it would be great because I just purchased a new bumper and it has a lot of curves on it and it looks amazing but I know the glue lines will really detract from how it should look.

Just for anyone interested - I wrapped the front badge area of my car in satin black using 3M in 2020 (quarantine sucks) and I got 'glue lines' in quite a few areas. I know they aren't air pockets. No amount of lifting and replacing, heat or smoothing with squeegee removed them. Don't bother with 3M if you are a perfectionist, they haven't fixed their product even after years of complaints.

I think the problem is that you have an eye for perfection. You see every little thing. You see the car like a customer would their pride and joy. You see a product for what it is, not the hype. A lot of vinyl shops just don't care, I mean just look at the vinyl work on most cars. Scary to say the least (sure some are amateur installs). For a lot of shops some glue lines are the least of their concern when there are blatant quality issues surrounding the car.

Same problem here! go with Avery... the problem is not you but on 3M, you're a awesome car wrapper! keep up the good work.

This might not help much but I saw you take a vinyl roll straight to the outside bin once in another of your vids I think that was 3M as well, I would be taking a direct path again, that will lift your spirits, I am sure the customer will understand.

Having a second hand to lay the panel on will help a lot. I agree 3m has for sure gotten worse. As soon as it sits on a hard body line like the corner of the fender it can’t be picked up and moved even if it wasn’t squeegeed down. That looks to be how the one glue line got there just sitting on the body line for a short amount of time and then repositioned. I was at a shop where we only used 3m so I got used to working with it and no glue lines. Even then there would be panels being redone for a film issue.

My name is Todd and own Effen Wrap It in Syracuse NY. I totally hear you and understand with the glue lines that are being left. You do far more wraps than I do and I thought it was an issue I was having with my installation and it annoyed the hell out of me because like you I thrive on perfection. I am in the middle of wrapping a couple Honda minivans in an Oracal 970RA film and haven't had any issues with adhesive lines which is super satisfying.

I want as well to thank you for your videos and your work. I appreciate it a lot. I've learn some things and made the first wrap i ever did, on my car, with a Mirror Red Chrome vinyl. Cheep chinese stuff 😂, but for practice i think it turned quite good😁 Thank you again!! Keep up the good work!

you're the best...I'm looking at this in 2020 so you will have probably solved the glue lines.. but I wouldn't worry about it because something will change...if I was you I wouldn't use it until things changed with 3m....keep up all your good work...

Man, I'm in this line of work for 14 years..... It's materials/car industry combo..... U remember Arlon? They used to tell us we are overstretching... Then they closed automotive program.....Its corps... THey stoped giving sh.... Relax and stand by your work... I salute u :)

bro dont ever apologize for how much something bothers you. the fact you take time to make videos is amazing!! I'm currently wrapping my 2006 honda in oracel matte grey. thank god I got that and not 3m, it was close.....I did get a satin black from 3m for the chrome delete and grill. im using a totally off brand for a gloss red on the Honda h. (came out surprisingly nice) point is if it wasent for you I would of NEVER thought I could wrap. now it's probably one of my favorite things to do. i love color, symmetry, and making things look perfect. this combines all 3. and during covid no less. so my deepest thank you for showing me how and making me believe I could do this. your thee best wrapper on the planet. and I'd slap anyone if they said otherwise. go get em boss!!!

Had the same issue on the last 2 3M wraps I did. Glad to see I’m not the only one having this issue. I was wondering if the glue was too thick and pulling when I reposition.

thanks for sharing the knowladge buddy! really helpfull.

I've encountered similar issues and, like you, I do everything on my own. I very rarely have a second set of hands. I've found that ambient temperature and keeping the vinyl as flat as possible (prevent wrinkling) helps tremendously with these lines. I believe this is what people are referring to when they say you need two people. Metrorestyling sells an item called a "bumper stick" which you anchor the film to and stretch the vinyl uniformly in one direction which helps a lot with preventing this lines. Ultimately, it's a pain in the ass and I am on the verge of refusing to use 3M as well.

for the glue lines, have you ever ask a client to come back after exemple, one month and watch if the glue line a still there? Maybe with the time and the sun the material will react itself and the glue line will dissapear...?

CK it’s not your technique it’s the material I have used 3m many times in past few cars and it is happening to me as well it’s very frustrating and I have actually had to buy Avery instead since i kept getting glue lines. Keep up the amazing work. I have watched your videos for couple years and it’s helped out with my business a lot so thank you!

Great examples of glue lines at 29:40. Shows up a lot better on the camera. I look forward to hearing more about whether or not this product gets any better updates to its quality.

How Christian I am agree with you 3M once it touch the body of the car reposition or stretching the vinyl you gonna have glue lines no matter what you do you gonna get those lines I like to see a 3M professional installer wrapping that fender and flyer with out any glue lines.

3M deep space Camaro wrap I am doing right now is absolutely ridiculous with the glue lines! To the point I'm discouraged and haven't finished it... I've watched the Camaros you have done without the issues and thought it was just me... not that I'd wish it on you but it does make me feel a little better about the pile of garbage I have in front of me.

This happened to my wrap job and i swear i thought i was doing something wrong, im very glad i found this video 🤣

Lol , skill level worse after 7 years? Not possible, years only ad to skill level and experience. I think 3M is the problem here.

I go apesh!t when I'm putting on a new screen protector on my phone and its a little crooked or one piece of dust. This job would stress me the hell out.

Also thank you cause I really learn so much from your videos and made me a better installer..💪

I wrapped a friends hood in 3M matte black and we ran into the same issues. Lucky we did the rest of the car in Avery gloss red and it came out perfect. I think it is the adhesive that they use verses the competition. It does not slide well at all, and the second it sees fresh paint it seems to lock down right away and not want to release. The truck you see in my avatar is a Chevy dually that was done in Vvivid and it was great to work with as you well know. Keep up the good work I always learn a lot from your channel!

Oh man.. you sure have done the time and have learned so much!

Amazing work.

Couldn't agree more, Christan don't lose ur heart in this, things do go wrong, have you thought perhaps it's a duff roll or batch of film? We all still love ur videos.

I enjoy watching your video's, you do amazing work!

YESSS FINALLY! These are the issues i've been commenting about, it is impossible to use this film without getting glue lines everywhere! it is extremely frustrating and to us beginners trying to practice and learn as much as possible it is very discouraging to fail every time without being able to figure out why. We've attended your Vvivid training so we know that we have at least the basics down, but we have yet to successfully complete a full wrap in 4 months... We've contacted the manufactures and were told that if we have to reposition or heat the film then we need to remove the whole piece and heat it all, then relay the vinyl again which is ridiculous. We are out of ideas to fix it to.

Chris, dude I get the frustration. I always regarded 3M as the standard for wraps, until I had a shop wrap my car's roof in 3M carbon fiber 1080. The wrap laid just fine, that wasn't an issue at all. It was the glue lines that showed up on one side of the roof, it was so annoying lol. The guy at the shop tried telling me my roof had dents which caused the lines, which I had a feeling was bs. Oh well now we know!

Wow =) I want to be this guys apprentice. I would love to learn this skill.

i am not a pro by any means. but I have wrapped my bike and my car. I used 3M and all of the line your showing have shown up in my wraps. I do feel you pain. I have swapped to different film. ps I love the vids they have helped me so much in my small projects... THANKS FOR ALL THE VIDS....

I used satin metallic blue 1080 3m for my company truck, had lines like crazy didn’t stretch anything, panels I did stretch looked the same. After 2 weeks they were gone.

Great video, can't believe this issue with 3M, I guess I'm not going to use this material ever.

Cool work! 👍

Tape a piece of material to your table backing side up , pull the backing off and inspect the adhesive. I will bet money you will see a ton of imperfections. I have been doing signs and graphics for a long time and i can say with confidence, it is not your technique. It is 100% the material. I have watched alot of your videos, you're an awesome installer and i think its great that you make these videos to share knowledge that took me years of trial and error to acquire. Keep up the good work man

I too have experienced those same glue lines, hence I do not use 3M vinyl for anything with the exception of when I'm printing and applying and the white point of the 3M is what I need to match previous jobs for a client. Otherwise I use IJ1080cv3 for printed wraps and Orafol or one of the other products for chrome wraps.

Nice job bro I learn so much from you thankyou

I ordered some gloss black from 3m and Oracle. Ooo my goodness, Oracle was sooo much nicer. No glue lines or defects.

I’ve been Using 3m 1080 since day one. At first I would’ve agreed with you on the terrifying glue-lines. The best way to avoid glue-line that I’ve learned is to pre heat the vinyl with heat gun before glassing it on the car and working with the difficult part first...if you can.

I agree with you. I have glue lines in my 3m wrap as well and I absolutely hate them. I am taking my car back to see if the problem can be resolved. If not I am requesting another product

I got a lot of Vivvid glow in the dark film, I got extra lol, for my first install. I’ve been watching your videos and feel like it has prepared me pretty well. Wish me luck lol

glue lines or not you did an amazing job dude

I dont use 3M 1080 films at my shop but I do get the lines on the 3M ControlTac 180c. My remedy is to seperate the release liner out in one shot with a steady motion. Line will appear where the liner stops. You can also try to heat the stopped area before resume pulling the liner. Fortunately for 3M 180c, the lines usually disappear after 24hrs, but I'm not sure about the 1080 though. Good luck!

Also check the roll before using , it even comes already w/ the glue lines , I hate 3M because of that , it's not perfect as you know

3M has clearly started to use cheeper ingredients in their wrap adhesive, ive been doing signs and wraps for 10 years, & i can’t recall a single time that I outright disagreed with you (CKwraps) & your direction, you do me a huge service by teaching my new guys the kind of things to look for & pay attention to when getting use to working on customers cars. You have ALWAYS given 3M respect and have always been fair when reviewing their wraps, - now they are fine with leaving you out to dry when you ask for some kind of explanation for their garbage glue recipe change. Their starting to use more & more Chineese mass - produced industrial chemicals. And they should be Embarrassed to tell you “don’t stretch/pull or HEAT the vinyl” when installing it.. that’s what’s causing the flu lines.. wow😂 🤯🤬. Yea!!👍 o’tay!

I agree with you 100 isn't cheap at all for that finish, I do vinyl wrap to and I've been having the same problems I thought was me but I guess no!!

I have the same experience with 3M 1080. Also, 3M shows swirl marks once the buffer pad makes contact with heated film. 3M is decent for a quick job, but doesn't have a showroom finish. Vvivid is my choice now.

I know this film very well 3M 1080 Caribbean shimmer, I wrapped my own car with it, I found the vinyl to be very nice to use, Iv been working with vinyl for 18 years

I could not see any glue lines. Looks perfect. Like all the other wraps you do

I've seen this problem many times too and I always question it and ask my fellow installers with more experience and they don't know why they happen, it's really annoying to work with

I always use 3M it's awesome as I have no wrapping talent at all , none what so ever , so atleast with using 3M I can always blame the product ! THANKS 3M

Man, I´ve been working with vinyls too much poor in comparison with 3M products, not by option, but due to the reality in my country, but the problem with glue lines is the same. What I noticed is that they disappear with the passing of time, after some days. In my experience they appear around door handles or near deep pannels specially when I take too much time to do theses areas. Hope you find a solution. Keep the nice job!

He sounds like me when I just started wrapping. I used to swear by 3M vinyl haha #frustrated

havnt had any crazy glue lines with 3m yet. just some small ones. but ive been having serious issues with avery and glueless dots embedded into the wrap underneath. had about 6 rolls now of different colors.

I realize that this video was produced a year ago but I found the same thing with glue lines occurring on gloss white aluminum 1080. Now my disclaimer is I'm just Joe smoe that is one who tends to be self taught and stubborn enough to figure out why something doesn't work to improve upon it. I have torn off a fair amount of wrap after not liking the results in the short 10 or so months since getting into it. I have a 64 Bel Air that I am in stages of wrapping the body to protect it mainly from weather as I do bodywork. The chrome trim being worn and extremely expensive, I decided to wrap in the white aluminum which is basically a gloss metallic silver that looks great. I figured out early on that when I peel the liner off, apply just enough tension to hold on to it and do a quick heat with the heat gun to relax the wrap before I even apply it. Doing this has eliminated the glue lines, any creases I happened to have added to it by chance and even the light damage from being shipped. After learning this trick by luck, I have done it every time. One key thing is to make sure to let it partially cool without moving right after a quick heat otherwise wrinkles will be added right back into what you were trying to eliminate. I wrapped an engine cover in the same 1080 starting from the top and used the heat gun to relax the wrap as I traveled around all 4 sides. The first time around I did make a mistake but continued on to complete the wrap to see if any other issues would show up before ripping it off to start over. If 3M says no heat or stretching, they must be talking about something completely different than vinyl wrap as nobody using it is going to have something totally flat unless it happens to be a sign. I have learned a bunch from many of your videos on this channel and thank you for taking the time to produce them to help the rest of us with far less knowledge.

I did my first hood wrap VVIVID true CF yesterday and noticed some horizontal lines running across... glue lines I learned now from end of this video. I had to pull up a number of times to heat wrinkles out so I'm guessing the creases on pull up caused that. Also I had a few weird virticle black lines that arent straight..looks like running water spots, running down the carbon fiber that I'll hide with a stripe. I found out from another video i wasn't supposed to spray tac2 underneath before laying down, as bottle said to do. So maybe the porous lines was from that. I wanted to get the 3m 2080 vampire red but maybe not now

I just noticed by the inspection sticker that you're from Mass or at least very close to it, Good to see some Local guys on youtube :D

CK, just had the same issue with Avery satin black. 3 rolls of film and 2 weeks to wrap one car, only way we managed to get a decent but not perfect finish was from using a tac reducer and wrapping glove. Everything had to be heated and one fluent motion when applying, if the film rubbed on the surface on the car we would have hundreds of aggressive glue bubbles and so many glue lines. Speed never helped. On some panels we had to use 4 installers 👎🏼

I'm a solo installer also, and I try to avoid 3m as much as possible. Their colors are some of the best, but the glue lines, tearing issues, and the "hazy lines" throughout the roll, make it very frustrating to work with. That being said, I have had near flawless results with 3m, but I prefer Avery and even Hexis. Also, I try not to pull the door handle cable with my glove hand, because they usually have a little bit of grease on them.

Got problems with 3M, too. Had a conversation with tech-support and a dealer of mine. They all pretty much said the same like they did for you. Won`t work with 3M anymore cause in my eyes that is no way to work with wraps at all.

In my experience with using 3M, I've never had to rely on another person to glass out panels. But what I've found is that after glassing and tacking the horizontal or vertical center is relieve the tension glassing places on film and working out from center. As far as finishing edges or tucking, I'm always looking for a way to run the material in with slack over tension and I've never had glue lines or "snail trails" after learning this trick.

CK I have this same problem with 3m wrap in UK sometimes I have glue lines

Have the same problem but only with 3m, i think when the glue gets a bit too hot those lines will appear more often! another problem is sometimes the air cant get out although its a comply foil (bubblefree) when using the 3m 480 series

Massachusetts car!!! Hope to see it around

Your an excellent wrapper amigo, it's not you, it's the material.

If you see a glue line before you squeegee it you have to pull it back and heat the line out. I lay 3m all the time and the only time I have got glue lines is on a boat a d that's when i let it set for a few then come back to squeegee that's the only time But i agree avery is way betterr. But I agree I think you want it warmer than colder working with 3m. Good luck CK keep up them wrap skills

This shit used to drive me insane. I wrapped an Alpha Romeo in 3m Vampire Red and had to do the crazy ass fenders twice. 3M changed their glue and it is extra soft so it causes glue lines if it even barely touches a glossy surfaces. To install it successfully you pull glass across the body line of the fender splitting your install into two sections. The horizontal you should be able to lock down easy. Do not let the vinyl touch itself and do not reposition at all. Next pull glass in 2 sections and lock into place on the vertical part. Do not let the vinyl wrinkle up like you did on the vertical part of the fender( that has caused glue marks for me). You also need to tape the entire fender flare to get zero tension. Also when you pull glass make sure not to drag the material because that will also cause marks.

Hey CK, on areas like the fender flares why not use 3 line or any tape product versus a razor? I am super new to all this, but it seems like that would be an easier, faster, and safer method. Maybe just preference?

Would it help to apply heat afterwards ? Maybe with IR or heatgun ? But it’s definitely not your technique, your work is always flawless. Might be the 3M wrap itself. 🤷🏻‍♂️

You do and amazing job. Where can I buy the chrome wrap that I have seen you putting ? I appreciate yr help in advance

I am thinking of wrapping my vw golf mk5 sport... The whole car my car is a bit of a mess and I found out that not only look good 4 d carbon fibre but is cheaper to wrap the car than actually painted.... But I am a bit concerned about washing the car afterwards... Doesn't will peal off??? Any advices? Any suggestions??? Please I appreciate any comments to my concerns Thank you You are the best 👍

thank you for the video man. One little thing on your video, I don't know if it you did the editing but for the text, when you put informations like this in your video, try to put your text inside the safe zone. If you use Adobe Premier, you have a buton to activate the safe zone. By keeping the text in the safe zone, you will have a nice free zone around your image and your text will not be cut. The Text will breath a little bit more. Exemple, at 4:18 your text is cut at the right. Have a nice day!

I’ve tried to wrap a similar product from FG Frog to my 2004 Nissan Maxima with equal glue line issues I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong

I think ive seen a video by premium autostyling way back where they got a bad batch of 3m vinyl too. They had the same glue line issue.

Im using Hexis right now first wrap.... you can heat and stretch from hell no deform and no glue lines...

Maybe apply tack reducer to the entire car or even to the adhesive side of the 3m wrap before application. ;)

If fluid dilutes the adhesive as you mentioned, would a wet install fix the glue line issue? Distilled water or isopropyl alcohol?

I think what Collin Connell is stating bellow is right. I've watched couple of the best installers in my country installing 3M 1080 and they never complained about adhesive lines after they initially preheated the vinyl with a heat gun. CK Wraps, your technique is not wrong, but it is specific to other brands, different than 3M, that you are working more often with. I strongly advice you to get in contact with 3M representative in order arrange technical person visit to your shop. No need to drop on using 3M 1080 - just find the right person to help you with the right technique for 3M 1080. If your location was closer to South East Europe I could've been able to help you..

CK I’m a 3M certified Installer and I no longer use that 3M film until they fix that problem back in the days I had no problem but now no matter what you do on this newer 3M films you get glue lines I know the feeling how frustrating it is I was you get the color in a different brand I have tried it all and no luck and when the sun or when you apply heat the glue lines look worse.