That’s a defeatist take on it. I see this as a way of focusing the mind and uniting us so the fans and the owners can work together in fixing the situation. That means the fans will need to understand why the club sells players enabling us to comply with FFP. We (as fans) might need be more understanding flexible with our options regarding the stadium. We might need to consider what we do with our stadium or even move from Villa Park. Look at how Spurs have increased revenue since their move from Whit Heart Lane. If the fans can be more open minded and the owners can still develop the squad and keep Villa pushing the top 4 year in, year out. We can get out of the situation we are in and become more competitive financially if we work together. I am concerned the fans want the best of both worlds and that could jeopardise our progression.

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@@marklawrence3642 I'm glad you noticed the mistake it's been a busy day. UTV

I’m a pleb too!

Dave is available whenever we need to chat finances!

you aren't wrong, exactly, but think of it this way:- the majority of the global population live in poverty, and few can afford a car worth more than ... let's say £60k. So why would anyone spend £1.2m on a car? Especially one you can rarely even road drive? The majority won't, but for the few who have more money than they can spend, and for those in the bracket of spending ridicuoous money to *make* money - arsenal, barca, etc - the rules and metality are just different.

@@geordievillan an interesting take and I don’t necessarily disagree. But the suggestion is Arsenal and Chelsea are sailing close to FFP and Barcelona’s financial woes are well documented…. I can’t see Liverpool paying £100m for Dougie, and whilst Spurs are said to be financially capable, Levy won’t spend that kind of money when he thinks we may need to sell to comply. My point really is that even the big spenders aren’t immune but those that “can” will look to take advantage of the FFP concerns of the minnows and the big money transfers simply won’t be as big. Interesting debate this one but I suspect a rule change is inevitable.

@@andrewturpin5948 Yeah, I hope so. Barca's finances should have seen them banned from football years ago, as with those of juve, read madrid and a number of others. I guess whatever the outcome these next few seasons, one thing will remain contant - uprating of ticket prices and greater travel expense. Still, we all follow the Villa, wherever that takes us :)

I hope so... but probably not. Clubs will be a bit more nervous this season than any other- elsea are unlikely to be as poor next year onwards, man utd have recieved significant investment and will be having a clear out (probably inc Ten Haag) and Newcastle will know that they are not prepared to play with the big boys like us. Covid losses will be fffthe books, ad normal service resumed, with UEFA doing all it can toothrow ever more money at those already at the top via the new competition formats. Teams that miss out on the champs league this season may even take more of a gamble in the summer than otherwise would be the case, knowing that the new European formats will lead to the teams involved having a greater spending advatage the longer they are n it. The season after next though, that might well see a lot of teams not spending.

Birmingham Babylon - in honour of the best series ever made? ... we could build a hotel and call it that, anyway. Villa Park must always be Villa Park.

Playes. They can be replaced - hopefully on lower wages.

@@geordievillan Of course. There is an affection developed though. And you hate/ love to see an ex villa player doing well with another club.

There’s prize money allocated per league position, I’ll try and find out what it is

last season we won £30.8m for finishing 7th, Newcastle got £37.4m for finishing 4th. Throw in inflation, and you're hoping for us to make +£40m from finishing 4th or 5th, i suppose. (...IIRC, ofc xd )

You may be right. The logical move, (from the outside looking in and without the claret specs on), is to build a new stadium, whilst staying in a full capacity VP to keep the money coming in, then move when the new bigger stadium is ready. That would allow Villa to rent the new stadium out for non-football events, (ala Spurs / Wembley), to provide new revenue streams, as well as offset the cost of the new stadium build by selling VP. 😕

@@supervillan326 painful one to think or talk about so it maybe a reason for signs being missed but I think there’s plenty there … I mean wez knows his way around a rebuild . When you think about the money we’ll have to spend just on surrounding areas before a brick is even laid…. For an additional x-thousand fans … where do we go after that ? To be a top 4/5 side I think a 55k arena is minimum . You only have to take a look around Europe… even in Italy where there’s no money, teams are rebuilding. I think we are at that point now in that search for greatness… what are we willing to give up . Gregory reached the point with Doug and Doug was a little reluctant to take the next step

@@milliefrankieshaw2009 agreed - plus how do the owners balance the PSR books with the capacity reduced by 25% for a season or more whilst the rebuild happens. Then how long with the increased capacity to get back to break even, (ie, making back the revenues we lost during the reduced capacity the rebuild). For me, Villa match day income wouldn’t increase over what it is today for at least 3yrs. Also, when would you do the work? Surely we can’t reduce capacity if we qualify for the CL? But the longer we leave it, have harder the PSR balancing becomes because one of the key ways to increase revenue is through increased match day income. Glad it’s not me who has to traverse this minefield!!

@@supervillan326 we’d possibly break even if you consider the 2ish million per CL game but it’s not even going to touching the side in the long run especially if our aim is as high as we are lead to believe.

It’s also the transport issues and gridlock every home game. Unless that’s sorted it will get worse.

Profit and Sustainability Rules (might be Regulations)

add in the £150k per week contracts he threw around like confetti :(

Emery release clause was 5mill alone

No it’s not 100 million.

Its definitily not 100mil. The numbers of the 120mil loss are for the previous season. The financial year ends at May-June each year. If we can qualify for CHL the money will show in the books the following year not now. That is why this Summer will be crucial. From what i understand we dont have much room to invest in getting high fees incomings unless we sell. Maybe we have room for a couple smart buys of young players. I am ok with that if it means we will not sell an important player. But if we do we have faith in Emery and the recruitment team.

No only the Conference League money will count the Champions League money will affect the next financial year but whatever position we finish will affect this year but we can also get some good buys either wait until this financial year ends at the end of June to buy and only sell before if we really need to then push it for the next year.

Well yeah that is also part of the ‘problem’ I suppose - if we NEED to sell, who is around to buy our players

@@ClaretBluePod Don't see Liverpool or Tottenham spending £100M on Luiz. There's no value in the Premier league at all.

The assessment of viability of any business is by looking at the Balance Sheet not P&L. So PSR has little to do with sustainability. Not saying it’s a bad thing … tries to level the playing field, however does nothing to balance back against the Chelseas of this world who have a decade + over the likes of Villa

No

It’s definitely not a non story, you don’t lose £120million and that not be a problem.

JPB wanted to leave to get game time even though Unai wanted him to stay.

See it's like a Cole palmer situation. He needed guaranteed playtime and pep wanted him to stay but couldn't guarantee continuous playtime. It just like that jaden wanted to leave because he wanted continuous playtime and unai like any other good coach couldn't guaranteed it.

how do you know he’s better? strange statement

@@TheCurtisdavies Not really. I've seen them both 🤷🏻‍♂️

Firstly the game time we werent able to give him and he wanted to leave. Financially speaking it makes alot of sense. Very different players so very difficult to ascertain who is better

Well we don't have to sell that's the thing we've got plenty of unneeded assets we can sell we wouldn't of spent what we did if we needed to sell a major asset

It isn't

I think it's we'd get about £15m more than last year for coming 4th/5th - and then £35m+ for Champions League

I thought it was 2 mil a place?

We are not there yet.

Cl money won't help us in this financial period, it'll help for the next period, if we qualify 🤞🏼

@@simeonlp so will it not help on buy and having to sell cuz we have extended our year to 31st of June

are you serious mate hes been injured ffs sell our own grown fututer england lads im so glad you aint in contorl