Yeah - the choice to let them do ranged flourishes is an odd one from the beginning, and the flourish just being a double attack is honestly complete nonsense

And you know what, we'll make a ring that makes them cast control spells on a bonus action, because why not

@@nathanmoreau7077 and you know you know, we'll also make a helmet that gives you +2 to Spell DC per attack (cap +10) as well!

As my main character is a swords bard that utilize everything mentioned here.... I see nothing wrong here 😂

I didn’t understand any of these mechanics on my first BG3 run. I picked bard because I wanted to use as many skills as possible and discover a ton of the world. Then I tried the ranged flourishes and I was like… wait what Then I found that ring in the jungle and I was like… WAIT WHAT

Turns out in BG3, anyone can fill all the holes in the party!

@@garyco766 Fnarr Fnarr!!

​@@garyco766Even shape shifters deserve love, bro

I'm like 99% sure bard is the canon class for bG3 because how else could you possibly explain everyone constantly coming on to you?

🤓 Technically Sorcerer (tempest for that matter) is the cannon class because Durge was intended to be the cannon PC and he starts as a storm sorcerer. It's still a CHR heavy class though.

I second subclass video

@@lolimmunewhat u mean, does he already have a subclass video?

@@FelipeArthurferpa he probably ment he wants it too, since you're first to ask and he's second to ask

@@TheAzorg true 😂 english isn’t my first language, sometimes I still get confused with some stuff However he does have a subclass tier list nowdays and it’s a pretty good one

@@FelipeArthurferpa me too mate, had to read it trice xD

Save scum, or paying money, problem solved. The roleplay is S tier, easily (especially durge paladins)

Oathbreaker isn't exactly bad, though you might need to change your build for it, an Oathbreaker/Warlock is exceptionally strong melee combatant that has some useful tools alongside it (fear, advantage, etc) even if you don't make use of summoning undead. It's not exactly going to fit in the same build as Devotion or Ancients, but a Vengeance and Oathbreaker Paladin aren't massively disparate in their effectiveness. It's also a roleplaying game, if you choose a certain action in dialogue, that should effect you, here it totally changes your subclass, and you should roll with that somehow.

Oh my honor mode that I did I was a warlock paladin (mostly paladin) oath of ancients. The oath was annoying as times but it was super strong and my aura really weakened some bosses that use spells as their main damage source

turning Karlach into a vengeance paladin was absolutely s tier. had her in the party with my bard, Shart (as light or war cleric) and Lae'zel and it was... a really broken party I won't lie.

The most annoying part of Oath breaking is that you can't respec your character anymore unless you pay the knight

haven’t played a druid, but in me and my friends co-op run the extra hitbar of the animal transformation was huge so many times. meant heals could go elsewhere and the survivability of the druid class is suprisingly good

Druids get almost everything you could possibly want - Great tanking and melee damage through wild shapes - Powerful area control spells - Powerful damage spells - Lots of good summons The only thing I think they really struggle with is providing direct support and saving party members, but when most of your enemies are slowed to a crawl or prone that's usually not something you'd need to do anyway.

People always pigeonhole the Cleric as a healbot with nothing else, but Cleric can actually do it all - Life clerics heal a ton, War clerics have massive melee damage and high AC, Light and Tempest clerics are high damage casters. And outside BG3, in normal D&D, there's even more domains for even more options. Arcana for groups without a Wizard, Trickery for groups without a Rogue (excluding this from the BG3 section because it's awful in BG3), Order and Peace for groups without a Bard, Nature for groups without a Druid, Forge for another heavy melee, Grave for a cleric that has a _30 yd range bonus action Spare The Dying that doesn't take a cantrip slot_

after you finish this series, would also love for you to provide an analysis / tier list of common four member party combinations or maybe a video talking more generally about building an optimized group. again, really loving this content, but I think one of the failures inherent in videos like this one is that it's easy to think of each of these classes in isolation. (you do a good job of generally avoiding that) would love to generally just see some party analysis

Oh Really!?!

Being better at everything is tight

Wowowowowow...wow

bardly an inconvenience

Never forget CoDzilla. Or his bigger, meaner cousin... the gestalt CaDzilla

rangers cast with wisdom, but it's not their primary stat - rangers are dex-based.

@@CephalopocalypseSo by "only wisdom-based character", you were basically just saying clerics don't have access to Perception?

sure!

Rangers are wisdom based if monks are wisdom based. It's a split stat at best. Like how a Barbarian would have dexterity as a secondary (really a tertiary because of constitutiom). Wisdom isn't the stat you're pumping with ASIs, it's dexerity with wisdom being almost exclusively for spell save DCs. The ranger feels like an arcane trickster rogue but for an entire class instead of a single subclass. They're a half caster who's magic is supplementary to their martial prowess.

Paladins are *definitely* S-tier in terms of raw power level - the only reason I didn't put them there is just that they're greedy for items and require a little more party support than the 3 S tier classes. You could throw a sword bard blindfolded at a dartboard to replace any character and it would make the party stronger, but I think there are some setups where that wouldn't be true for paladin

@@Cephalopocalypse Haha, very unfair to compare any single class with sword bards. I agree with the item dependency argument, it's just that to me, Paladin is the class every other greedy class is comparing themselves against, so I'd put them in S tier.

Uh... I thought dialogues were straight ability + skill checks, not saving throws?

@@Myth0l0gic Most are, but sometimes you get saving throw options, and some of those are very important. Stuff like reading the Dark tome, drinking beer with the undead bartender, using the zaithisk, etc

I think some of the popular builds are Thief Berserks that rely on finesse weapons and sneak attack while abusing the greater number of bonus actions. But for a pure Barbarian, yeah, there's no real reason given that strength and constitution are largely your focus with maybe middling dexterity for AC purposes. Even beyond Adamantine Scalemail, there are plenty of medium armors that are decent and benefit them somewhat more than it would other classes (because your Frontline martial are going to be in heavy armor, and you can get a Cleric into this as well for maximum protection, then if you go with traditional party setup your remaining two are going to be light armor and zero armor depending on composition) so not sure why it would be a factor. Especially as there are enough Medium Armors with uncapped dex by the end of Act 2 to have two of your party in them all the time (which should be sufficient unless your entire party is medium proficiency for whatever reason).

A bit late to the party, I agree with your point and I would add that high AC for a barbarian, in my opinion, defeats the entire purpose of the class if you're playing the character as I think was intended, namely a damage sponge dealing very healthy amounts of damage that gets into enemies faces remarkably quickly. They rely on damage mitigation for their survivability rather than relying on avoiding it altogether, in other words they don't want an overly high AC because they are the class that wants to draw as much attention and damage to them in tougher fights. If you agree with the previous statement then you understand that you can perfectly rely on their unarmored defense for a low to middling AC (15-16), if you aren't going for reckless attacks mind you, especially with some gloves that can be found early in act 1 that gives you +2 to AC if you aren't wearing armor (I forgot their name). Meaning that a barbarian doesn't need to compete for gear in order to function properly and I would even argue that giving them the shiniest armor would be a waste relative to how others characters in the party would benefit from said item. In the case you are sticking to the unarmored defense route you can get them items that pretty much nobody else uses except for monks and MAYBE spell casters. The only strain item wise I can see happening with a barbarian in the party are elixirs, healing potions and other consumables ? The second point I disagree with in the video is how they supposedly put a strain in the long rest cycle of the party because they need to get their rage points back. But depending on the difficulty of the fight you are getting into you decide to rage or not, you don't need to rage every fight, like a spell caster would decide if it's worth using that high level spell or keep it for later, same concept, and that's precisely where having a not too horrible AC comes in handy. Also in fights in which you need to rage it's rare, if relatively well managed, you would need to rage a second time, that's where a high mobility comes in handy as well (and why I dislike barbarian dwarfs), in order to keep hitting enemies every turn. The third rage point comes rather quickly and I heavily doubt you will get into more than 3 rage worthy fights per long rest. I don't think I have ever had to long rest because I had no rage points lefts while the party's spell casters had their relevant spells up, in fact I find myself resource managing the fuck out of wizards and sorcerers far more often than my barbarian, which is normal but not what the video is implying. I wouldn't classify Barbarians as an S tier because I agree they are pretty one dimensional in the role they play, but A tier seems way more fitting to me at least. Anyway rant over, sorry for the long answer, I didn't expect it to be that long when I started writing the comment.

You don't need moderately armored with the right race. Saves you from taking a mid tier feat. Also don't take medium armor master as a rogue cuz it locks your medium armor with exotic material to +3 even though it should be uncapped

That sounds very fun! I haven't watched his baldur's gate videos myself, but I used to watch his total war videos all the time! To be honest, I don't actually know how people go about setting up that kind of collaboration - I'm still pretty new to modern youtube and it works pretty differently than it did in 2011 :P

@@Cephalopocalypseprobably just gotta reach out to him via DM/Email/Twitch if he has it if he has a Discord that might be the most guaranteed way

Open hand just fists the Absolute

I mean by definition of the things he listed they would be A tier. They do sustained damage better than anyone else. But that's all they do.

@@SoI_Badguywhat else really matter than doing big damage and getting enemies off the battlefield. I mean cc is good as is healing but that only helps you last in a fight it does not end it. Damage does.

Karlach monk + soul coin ❤

@@Rj-wy8nk most of the fights in act 2 can be skipped with skill checks, plus there are things like Ethel's hair that require checks to get, the Awakened buff, etc. Combat is only part of the game, and frankly it's the most riggable/cheesable/breakable bit. You can solo honour mode with scrolls, throables, barrels and stealth. So you could actually argue that combat is the *least* relevant part of the game for a class to be good at. And even then as mentioned the best "combat" class in the game is probably some variant of sword bard with ring of the mystic scoundrel and the helmet of arcane acuity. You can cast multitarget commands, irresistible hold monster or tasha's hideous laughter, and you don't even need to do damage. Heck I didn't even realize that Tasha's doesn't actually break on taking damage, just offers a save, until I did Raphael on honour mode and knocked him down giggling turn 1 and he was never able to get back up, even when he started taking 5+ attacks per turn because his save bonus was +3 and the DC was 25. Monks are great, but even just in terms of dealing damage there are stronger options out there. Plus without Thief rogue for the second flurry they fall off *bigtime* going from 6 hits to 4 hits per turn. losing a solid 1/3rd or more of their damage.

why ?_

Mate OH monks can quite comfortably solo honor mode. Not at all sure what hes put them in B tier. "They are short rest reliant", at the point of the game where that actually matters you are short resting after every serious encounter, so i dont at all get that.

@@ZeroStyIe perfectly summarized my thoughts if you make astarion a monk thief in honor mode and you give him a cloud giant elixer in act 3 he does 103 damage every punch with ascension from his quest you can self haste yourself with gontr mael and you can get off about 10 punches a round doing well over 1000 damage if the target is held person or paralyzed insanely broken for base game and makes nightmare modlist endgame playable almost single handedly besides sorcerer which is the most busted class in the game no contest

@@firebank this is a single class tier list, so there wouldnt be any thief levels. for that reason monk is significantly worse without multiclassing. furthermore if you are counting guaranteed crits due to paralysis paladin just does more damage due to smites being able to crit, on top of being tankier and having more utility than a monk.

Radiant monk is nutty with luminous gear and reverb gloves/boots.

​@Thoth728 Does paladin actually deal more damage though? Not even including Tavern Brawler, OH monk gets 2 attacks and 1 flurry baseline, augmented to 2 flurries under serenity which you'll either use as a heal or in preparation to obliterate a target. You also get ki deflagration for another 10ish dmg per resonance target, in this case that would be 20ish force dmg. Paladin gets 2 third level smites and a bonus action. Obviously monk is going to have more variance with the amount of hits he has to land but I'm pretty confident his dmg ceiling is higher. And of course, that doesn't mean I value monk more than paladin, Pal is always going to be better overall, and the comparison is unfair in the first place since I'm evaluating the open hand subclass specifically which is blatantly the hardest hitting of the 3... against an entire class. But still, I don't see paladins doing more dmg unless you factor in haste for 1-2 additional 2nd level smites depending on difficulty settings.

Whoa, talk about unconventional! Save some originality for the rest of us, pal.

Curious as to why you’d say Wild Magic Sorcerer is D tier? I think it’s a ridiculously fun and strong subclass, I’d like to hear your thoughts.

​@@SleepyGC, fun doesn't mean strong. The only scenario the class is actually useful in is a multilcass with warlock, but this is mono-classing, and it doesn't offer anything very useful, with Wild Magic being a total coin flip on whether or not it's helpful. Then it gets worse when you stack it against Draconic and Storm Sorcerer, which are two of the strongest subclasses in the entire game.

@@Logank192 I mean fair. I find it to be incredibly strong when I accidentally turn a boss into a cat. I meant no hostility with my message just curious about what others think about my favorite subclass

Storm sorcerer is not S tier imo. Most of the skills the subclass has are pretty lackluster and aren't really useful. Pretty much everything this subclass does can be done better by a draconic bloodline sorcerer. Wild sorcerer on the other hand is pretty good, both tides of chaos and bend luck are really useful tools. The only thing holding this subclass back is the randomness which I will admit can be pretty annoying and could potentially kill your run if you're very unlucky.

@@mopp5297, lackluster? The ability to fly at level 1 is not lackluster at all and gives the class a lot of mobility to keep it safe. Then at level 6 you can add extra lightning and thunder damage to any leveled spell that uses those elements, and get lightning and thunder resistance for free. So, if you play a Tiefling or a Dragonborn, you can passively have 3 resistances to elemental damage. You also get some insanely powerful spells always at the ready like Create Water, Call Lightning, and Sleet Storm. Storm's fury at level 11, while nothing crazy, is still useful for repelling melee threats that get through. Storm does less single target damage, but better AOE than Fire Draconic while having MUCH better utility throughout the game, and being resisted less. Again, Wild Magic is fine as a subclass, but as a mono-class, it's one of the worst in the game, it probably is the worst caster subclass in the game.

Aye. Any class can be finessed to be ridiculously good. Asterion can be specced as the 'classic vampire' arcane trickster with a bunch of help spells for his stealth antics, making him a one-man spec-ops team. Wyll can become an Eldritch Blast spammer with the occasional massive crowd control spell. Hint: Cloud of Darkness. You explained Lightshow Shadowheart. Lae'zel, the game spells out for you: 2hander Tactician swordmaster. All these things work perfectly well, even if they're not supremely optimized.

ITEM DEPENDENCY !

Enraged throw also doesn’t give the target a save roll against falling prone. Bosses on Tactician difficulty and up get Legendary Resistance, so they pretty much only lose saves if they roll a 1 or if you Baned or Reverbed the hell out of them first. Enraged throw doesn’t care. If you have a STR of 20+ you can throw pretty much any medium creature you want. Larian might have patched it now, but nothing gave me a bigger dopamine rush than watching Karlach overhead throw a Necromite into Ketheric Thorm and knock him flat on his ass.

@@mitchellsidebottom9271 Extremely true. My mouth was was kinda agape when I found out it just doesn't give you a save, you just have to hit, and it doesn't even matter what you hit with. And prone is so overpowered in this game too - I don't know what they were thinking. Ends your turn immediately when you get prone during it, IMMEDIATELY breaks concentration, and you don't even get disadvantage attacking a prone target at range.

Illithid power tier list is definitely on the agenda! I'll talk about which classes use which powers the best in that

1d7 or 1d8? Xd I homebrewed something to rogues. What I did was empowering sneak attack to 1d8 lv5 and 1d10 at lvl10 when it was dealt from shadows, hide or backstab

Wizards and sorcerers are definitely weaker early on, but as you get better damage and control spells (Cloud of Daggers, Haste, Slow, Wall of Fire, etc), your value snowballs like crazy. Basically, don't be too discouraged early on as a wiz/sorc. Keep at it! EDIT: Also, don't be afraid to use your spell slots if it generates value in the current encounter. You can always long rest afterwards if you're out.

Early game cantrips are inferior to crossbow attack if you have half-decent dex. Also casters are for casting (duh), if you don't use leveled spell slots, they will not carry their weight

Wizards and sorcerers, in general, aren't made for big single target damage. Area control via grease and web and utility from darkness is where they tend to shine most earlier on. But, they do get significantly stronger as they level. Level 5 is a big boost in power for 3rd level spells, for example

So true, I always feel like I’m better off just throwing stuff at enemies between lvl 1-3 when playing a with full spellcaster in the party (missing witch bolt is a popular meme for a reason I guess 😭)

@@beakdd Dont listen to any of the comments here. Sorc or wiz are beasts early, but very long rest dependent, which is fine, because there's enough food/gold in the game to cover you. I've solo'd honor with both classes and honestly, the best advice is just to rush level 4 mono class (Theres a video on how to get lvl 4 in 30 minutes ish, if you search it). Grab yourself dual wield, phalar aluve, spell sparkler and the magic missle neck from the dude in the underdark and keep firing those missle till you get to more fun spells. If your not keen on the MM approach, pick up the the staff of arcane blessing for your OH (If solo, or no one else is using it) instead of PA and then never miss with one of your spells again :) Hope this helps!

It's unfortunate because a ranger with whirlwind attack and a certain sword in act 3 literally becomes an unkillable demon, but the problem is you have to get to 11 with a pure ranger 👺

Im planning to make a sniper with my ranger class lol

@@Avenged7xJunkie it's not that bad, ranger dishes out the most consistent dmg out of all the class with hunter's mark, crit gear, ranged attack, colossus slayer and on hit gear. Even beastmaster is pretty decent for utility and dmg.

I think the ranger class was originally designed (in D&D) as “I want to play Aragon.” So it’s a schizophrenic mix of shit from fighter cleric and Druid. It got further muddled by a purple eyed black elf with dual scimitars and a magical cat friend, so it’s sorta cursed. Rangers shouldn’t be martial Druids that guard a forest or whatever. Rangers should be the preeminent explorers and adventurers, and while Fighters can do all fighting styles, rangers should do archery *Better* than fighters, (like how barbarians should do great weapon fighting better than fighters and rogues should do two weapon fighting better than fighters)

Update: I killed the Spectator in act 1 using my sniper alone edit: with a haste potion and various ranger buffs+bless

It's ok in my opinion but I'm more of a paladin warlock kinda guy

It's not that druids do *bad* damage in the lategame - in fact, they do amazing damage (though I think the myrmidon thing is a DRS bug, so I prefer not to count it). It's just that compared to dedicated melee damage dealers they can't reach the same level of burst that you get from an action surge fighter or high level paladin smite, meaning they're more likely to take more than one turn to kill an important target. Just as good or even better for sustained damage over a long fight, but honour mode especially and D&D in general rewards burst damage heavily

real, battle master and paladin are way more efficient@@Cephalopocalypse

halsin utterly demolished my first House Of Hope encounter and Ansur fight!!! People always joke that his role in act 3 is to be orin bait (or be a romance option that sits in camp and takes scratch for walks) but i've had a blast taking him to rob banks, kill dragons, free Hope, and destroy Raphael lol. I think that run I gave him war caster, lucky, and tavern brawler feats? Plus got the druid armor and headgear that work for wild shape, and that one ring that the ox ooze drops.

Barbarians are somewhat artificially held back by the mono-classed restriction; other than rogue, they're the class that benefits most from multiclassing

to be honest from my experience barbarian should just be S tier, even if you go 12 barbarian. You basically get an alert feat, you get savage critical (which is doubly important because you're almost always attacking with advantage), you can go tiger to add your strength modifier twice to bleeding or poisoned targets (which again is ridiculous combined with something like a cloud giant elixir), and I agree completely about the armor aspect. The only armor I would use on a barbarian would be the Bhaalist armor, if you bring a life cleric you have a perma-blessed blade warded poison dipped AoE cleaving monster that can also maim targets when you take your extra animal aspect.

The best tank in the game is not made by the pj class, is made by the items. Radiant orb medium armor + sumatory reductions and halved reductions make almost every char esentially inmortal to normal atacks.

I think of Rogue Thief as an Assault Rifle that has loads of Swap Out attachments... Grenade Launcher, Laser Sight, various Scopes, Extended Mags, Silencer, Muzzle Breaks, Mag Sizes, Utility Ammo etc... Keep the Thief, swap out Party Members depending on the Mission.

you missed a close bracket after the 3 and it set off my OCD :(

@doctormarazanvose4373 Read it again. I didn't miss a ")".

@@antonyfaulkner8649 edit ftw

@doctormarazanvose4373 Nah... the "3" you were looking at is the "3 Attacks per Round". No bracket. Your OCD needs some more practice.

Thanks! Warlocks get the nod here for 2 reasons: one is sustainability, which I think I care about more than most player, so I suspect that's a big part of the difference in my list compared to a lot of guides, and the second is just that as a charisma character they let you grab dialogue skills, which gives them a leg up on other classes while also filling their combat role. I think the margin is very thin though! Barbarians are somewhat artificially held back by the mono-classed restriction; other than rogue, they're the class that benefits most from multiclassing

0 versatility and squishiness. I do agree tho they should probably be A tier. I’ve never even played one but understand why they shouldn’t be B.

​@kingvince7328 thats because as damaging a monk might be it's not that fun to play as one it just feels like a chore to be one

@@direraven7768 Monk as a class is kind of basic (you punch shit lol) but combined with the absolutely broken Tavern Brawler feat, it easily becomes a top 5 in terms of damage If we take Tavern Brawler out of the question, it does become a LOT worse with no real way to do anything magic related

@@direraven7768 Yup

I think that's basically true! Some of these classes are sort of artificially held back by the mono classed restriction

@@Cephalopocalypse for example monk rogue combo (C B tier classes) is the heaviest melee hitter in Honour mode with the "Haste restriction". So that is the perfect example i think.

light domain is broken, the others are pretty good but not that good still.

@@creepsus24 In my experience, Life and Light are mostly the same in regards to power level, though Life is more often what fits my party more. But, yeah, Light is very good.

Agreed, but I'm just a druid fanboy. Always been through the editions I'm actually playing my first Moon Druid atm, just reached level 8. It's really fun. My go to strategie is the eagle though. I put down a surface like Sleet Storm and can just fly over it and eagles can blind them and run away to keep concentration. Also use owlbear and wolf thoug at times. I have Mobile and Resilient CON which adds one more CON in wildshape and boosts concentration. Tavern Brawler thrird feat, I think

Few levels of sorcerer for times 2 spells and making spells last longer lol

​@@davidhujik3422This is a monoclass list but yeah with multiclassing 1 level dip in wizard is always nice, or dips in warlock/sorcerer/cleric for abjuration, or rogue/bard for transmutation all work really well.

Wizard was hard to rate! I think if only abjuration and divination wizard existed, it would be an S tier class :P

Agreed. And in damage output an evocation wizard with magic missile and 2 or 3 items and an illithid ability on bonus action, they can one shot some beefy enemies or reduce boss hp to half in one turn ( and sorcerers don't have the lvl 10 evocation ability on magic missile which literally doubles the damage of that spell. )

Wizards are bad early game, OK by mid game, and busted by late game. However, I would argue you need to be good the whole game to justify an S Tier ranking and Wizards aren't great early imo.

That's *mostly* true, but there's still some cases where it's good to activate manually! For example, if you're fishing for a critical, or you want to manipulate enemy aggro like I talk about in the video

@@Cephalopocalypse yes of course..or you just lazy like me)) I just wanna show that this is an option..

Same here. If I had to choose between the three I’m going Paladin.

It’s not the best damage dealer or the best controller, it’s definitely not the strongest class.

Considering the criteria he set at the start of the video, it makes sense. You could make a case to bump them up to A tier, maybe.

A sorcerer with twinned Haste can do something similar.

Monk*

Trickster rouge is straight up ass, change that immediately. If you want stronger a ranged character, you could make Astarion and Gloomstalker ranger (extra attack at level 5) and then go into rogue (either thief or assassin - one gives a bonus BA and rhe other gives an extra attack on the first turn for higher damage). Then you can even dip into fighter to get action surge. Seriously, arcane trickster is one of the worst sub classes, it does the job of other classes but way worse

@@bonjouritsreadyOh I know it's bad :D ... i'm just messing around. I already beat honour mode so it won't matter if I fail the run. I'm doing the run mostly as a fun test to see if I can pull my exact combo off and I think the trickster will get alot more useful once I have better control spells on him :)

Act I: “Hellrider’s Pride” are gloves that Zevlor has that grant Blade Ward when the wearer heals a creature. He gives them to you after you defeat the Goblin Camp, or they can be pickpocketed from him before that. “The Whispering Promise” is a ring that Volo sells in the Druid Grove that grants Bless to any creature the wearer heals. Put both on a character and both effects trigger when they heal. Pairs great with Mass Healing Word! Both effects last 2 turns.

Yep wisdom counts for every character - generally it goes: Dex-based chars need 3 (dex, con, wis), and get to have the best attribute in the game be their damage stat, so they're the SADdest wis-based need 3 str, int, cha-based characters need 4 (though in bg3 str-based characters get the elixirs, which mitigates their requirements somewhat) monks need 4, but REALLY need all 4 paladins need 5

@@Cephalopocalypse fair point. although the wisdom requirement for saves truly gets offset in the best way by the defensive aura at lvl 6.

@@IdontknowinderFor sure! Since they're proficient and get the aura, paladins can get away with low wisdom better than any other class, but of course more is still better

Oh cool! I don't think I'd ever done that - good to know! For the multiclass tier list the plan is to rate them as core classes (6 or more levels) and separately as dips (5 or fewer levels), though I'm open to suggestions!

@@Cephalopocalypse i would like a ranking on core identity. my minthara for example is a bardadin with 2 lvls paladin and 10 lvls swords bard but i dont consider her a bard since all the bard levels only serve to amplify her strength as a paladin.

I believe that patch 6 added a change that made casting magical darkness/fog effects in town aggro civilians. I haven't tried it out myself since the patch, but I'm not sure how well it still works for stealing. Would still be fantastic for combat though.

But it’s a comparative tier and they just don’t output as well as other options late game but luckily it doesn’t really matter and a bg3 tier list doesn’t really matter because they are all good, party structure above all else

Tried this. It is not the same as consuming it, though. It only lasts 10 turns when used by throwing

Warlock used to be my favorite class but the fact that i can only cast 2 spells per fight is annoying i don't wanna just spam eldritch blast all fight they have other cool spells as well. I stopped playing warlock because of this drawback

Cleric dips with sorcerers are very popular for a reason. Access to armour and weapons plus cleric spells are pretty good.

They basically should yes. Without Haste: Action 1 = basic attack + extra attack. With Haste: Action 1 = basic attack + extra attack. Action 2 = basic attack + extra attack. If u are not getting 4 attacks in single turn with haste then yeah something is wrong.

True!