The audios for the missing stories where released on CD some time ago but most of them are out of print but you can still watch the fan reconstructions here www.dailymotion.com/DavidAgnew/playlists they basically take the original audio put still photographs from the episodes and use whatever surviving footage exists over it.outside of the official animated reconstructions they are the best way to watch the missing stories

They intended to. That's why they were created in the first place (at least that's what I've read) but they couldn't find the right company to produce them.

Same, Even though I've only seen one serial of 3 and none of 4-8 I think Troughton will always be my favourite or have a very special place in my heart.

Keep in mind, he did save everybody from the Cyber-Controller

@@theknightsofawesomeness2701 Toberman IS the hero of this story... Look past today's PC culture and this becomes MOST evident... 😊

Apparently he was actually supposed to be deaf, but they managed to remove every explicit reference to that during filming. It makes the whole thing make a lot more sense.

how do you know they were making him the way he was BECAUSE he was black? i'm sure there are plenty archetypes of white mindless thugs too. and there will be archetypes of black characters whom are good. it's variety. I get kind of sceptical on this whole thing, tho I admit it's not completely in ppl's pattern seeking minds, I just don't know how you'd tell it apart and therefore whether it's worth worrying about

I think that from today's perspective the way Toberman was portrayed seems utterly racist. BUT - it was stated somewhere in the third (I think...) part that he was in some way disabled (I understood it to be cognitively, but that was just me guessing) and therefor depending on his employer. And it is mentioned within the episode by the doctor and his companions that Toberman behaves ... well, weird, for the lack of a better word. I think at some point they did even try to talk about this with Toberman himself, but he didn't seem to be fond of conversation - or maybe not able to understand at all what they were saying. Anyway, for me this portrayal is set into perspective by coming a little while after the episode with the space-captain in The tenth planet - black, smart, astronaut alongside with guys and a pretty cool character. I just can't say for sure whether his dialect is afroamerican or something else, English is not my native language. So I didn't understand Tobermans portrayal to be racist, but specifically about Toberman as a character, since Doctor Who had at this point already shown that they considered black persons to be perfectly capable scientists / astronauts / heroes. What I forgot to add - I still don't think that Toberman saving the day or being subtly (I didn't just imagine that, did I?!) hinted at being, maybe, somewhat handicapped, excuses a writing that could very easily be read as racist stereotypes. Like with the question of why the Cyberman are scary - they are, the tenth planet and other episodes had their goals and danger set up - but in this one there is not enough to re-establish this set up. And since in writing the rule is 'write it or it's not there'... It plainly isn't. Sadly, though. I would have loved a cognitively challenged character ending up being the hero...

Yep. And many have animated versions or have been turned into audio plays by adding narration.

No need to download, some of them even are on youtube. And most on other, similar platforms. And a lot of fan-productions offering different kinds of animation for the lost episodes - some pretty silly looking, though. :-D

Fury is out in October, so thats one more!

Thanks almost exclusively to badass audiophiles in the audience who broke out their at-the-time hideously expensive reel-to-reel recorders to capture the sound from a teatime family program. That's right, the audio was saved by technical copyright violation. 😁

Yeah this stuff comes up. Same thing happened when I said that new Doctor wears suspenders.

Jodie wearing suspenders conjures up quite a different image for UK readers! Interesting. . . but different.

had to look up the UK meaning of suspenders. interesting mental image, to be sure. And something tells me the fanfic already exists and probably did before the first episode aired lol

No we can say spunky in the UK to mean spirit. Words can have multiple meanings, which leads to double entendre, a type of comedy Britain made an industry on during the 60s and 70s in cinema and TV.

GamerWho can safely say I’ve never heard spunk to be used to describe character 😂

STORY not episode!

The guy who did the Cybermen voices was called Peter Hawkins and was also famous for doing the voices of Bill and Ben the Flower Pot Men. 😊

the mind robber is probably the most underrated Patrick troughton story

Sam Quinn i think Frazer Hines had a holiday planned so they needed a different actor for a week. Cant think of this happening in any program any where else in the world ever. Before or since.

from what I read, I believe frazer hines was ill hence why it was a very sudden, random and hasty thing. normally holidays are planned in advance and so the scripts written with that in mind

To clear it up, Frazer Hines contracted Chickenpox during filming, and had to be replace for 2 and a half episodes.

I didn't fail to address that so much as i didn't want to get into ending spoilers. However that only fixes half the problem with his character. It arguably removes the villain problem, but the sub-par intelligent & subservient status of the blackest person in the story still remains.

@@CouncilofGeeks someone else said he was originally intended to be d/Deaf so it sounds like an ableist thing. If they hired a Deaf black actor maybe they could have shown some use of BSL or ASL to make it explicit and get rid of the tropes.

I'm not sure his saving the day makes his portrayal up to that point any less cringey. Viewers had to sit through a LOT to get to the payoff. I remember it making me seriously uncomfortable as a kid and that was in the much less progressive 1980s

I'm not sure that really manages to make up for the representation of the character over all. It's still pretty damned racist

I just find it sad how so many "modern fans" have to shove everything thru these Modern PC Filters before they can accept things. Really kind of silly especially when you look at the nonsense that is going on today.

Also that means the problem is bad writing and acting of a disabled person as well. Like hard of hearing people can also use sign languages...

I want to love it more but it does drag and has a pretty forgettable group of side characters. I can also think of at least 5 serials I like more - Fury From The Deep, The Web Of Fear. The Mind Robber, The Invasion and The War Games. Still really like the story though - the Patrick Troughton era doesn't have a lot of duds in episodes or serials.

KernowShinigamiViper Lil'Dragon What have you seen of the classics out of interest?

theres 158 stories in classic who, and all but 15 are available, and were getting fury back this year! There are PLENTY for you to choose from!

Just a quick note, but episodes 1 and 4 of The Invasion are missing, but they've been animated.

It would have to include classic and I’ve got too many gaps to be able to do that yet.

10 1st and Susan 9 3rd and Liz Shaw 8 9th and Rose 7 10th and Donna 6 1st and Barbara/Ian 53rd and Jo Grant 4 11th and the ponds 3 3rd/4th with the brig 2 4th with Sarah Jane 1 2nd and Jamie

No he keeps reminding them that their financial services doesn't give them a say....its the whole drive if the episode

Riiiight, thank you, I always wondered but never managed to look it up! Thanks so much!

Thanks for the insight, I don't know anything about British theater, let alone at that time. What I wanted to add about Kaftan and Klieg - up till this point the villains, stubborn hindrances and attempting masterminds opposing The Doctor were aliens such as the Cyberman or the Daleks - or white men. Preferably white- or gray haired. Do you happen to give a little guess about the symbolism in villains back then? Just asking, your comment is so well structured and interesting, I thought I'd just ask. :-)

Where the villains are human it would have made sense for them to generally be older men as they were most likely to hold reins of the power in society at the time. This type of villain is typified by Mavic Chen in _The Dalek Master Plan_ or Tobias Vaugh in _The Invasion_ (both played by the wonderful Kevin Stoney) respectively the Guardian of the Solar System and CEO of International Electromatics. Of course the show also stands this on its head from time to time, for example in _Galaxy 4_ where the antagonists are all women.

thank you, this is really interesting. I watched all the original episodes, but I never quite analyzed the villains. You're right, of course, older men simply being more likely in positions of power... I feel kinda stupid now. :-D But as you said, every now and then the whole dynamics are changed, switched around or played with, so I never took a look at the elements as groups, aka I didn't think too much about the villains or antagonists. Thanks a lot for your input!

I always liked Toberman - he's playing a traditional "heavy" archetype as you say, nothing racist about it (and he is huge compared to the Doctor & Jamie - which is actually quite funny as Jamie is obviously wary of him, and seems to spend a few early scenes sizing him up deciding if he could take him). He was also one of the first black actors to even get a part in the show (would have to check to be sure but I think he may actually be the first?). So you can't really accuse them of typcasting the black actor when they hadn't really had any cast before him.

STORIES not episodes, for that look mostly at 1st! That was exactly what he did! the very first story, after the introduction was cave men, not thrilling marco polo crusade the aztecs the romans mythmakers Reign of terror the massacre the gunfighter (maybe)1st highlander from 2nd visitation black orchid 5th empty child 9th girl in the fire shaskespear code fires of pompeii the unicorn and the wasp for 10th vincent for 11th this are all the historicals or semi that I've seen

And all of the lost episodes are available as reconstructions using the full audio and stills. Loose Cannon did the best ones in my opinion - you can usually find them either here on KZfaq or on Dailymotion.

Or animation which I prefer when available.

Did that one as a podcast review: councilofgeeks.libsyn.com/overdue-classic-who-review-the-enemy-of-the-world

@@CouncilofGeeks thanks

thats the point, to keep people out! Yes its dangerous, but whats inside is more so!

Is he explicitly depicted as a slave? No. Does he adhere to slave character tropes? You betcha. But yeah, I try to not hold this stuff against the older stories too much, but I do feel they still need to be acknowledged because otherwise this stuff ends up sticking around longer than it should by being grandfathered in. It's like the Indians in the Disney Peter Pan movie. Yeah, it's a depiction consistent with the time... but we're still showing that movie to kids now, and it kind of needs to be at least talked about.

Concerned Citizen The Aztecs was an amazing story. One of Hartnell’s best next to Dalek invasion of Earth and the Time meddler.

Better, actually! It was literally in the show's first episode as how he chose to explain to Susan (and the audience) the mystery of the TARDIS after it was first discovered. "Now, now, don't get exasperated, Susan - remember the Red Indian. When he saw the first steam train, his savage mind thought _it_ an illusion too!"

Have to agree with you on this one. Some of The Aztecs is cringe making. Never understood why some people seem to rate it so highly.

Atleast so far...

immoralq He’s seen Zoe when he reviewed the War games.