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Clearing up some Misconceptions of IGEM/G/11 edition 2 unsafe safe situations procedure for gas.

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Tomkat Gas Training

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Derek in this video try's to stop the misconceptions of IGEM/G/11 of the gas industry unsafe situations procedure to help gas engineers identify and categorise unsafe situations in gas.
• ID, AR, NCS THE IGEM :...
Link to quiz part 1
• ID, AR, NCS PART 2 IGE...
Link to quiz part 2

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@neilbarker5042
@neilbarker5042 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative video which will be very useful to a lot of people within our industry, the first one could be down to the engineering judgement of the individual, personally I would AR it, on the day of your test the readings are below 10 ppm CO, so you are checking for an ID situation, so already the potential is there for a future issue, if something goes wrong with combustion, a regulator fails, with the wind in the right direction then potential is there for risk to life and property. I’ve been in the industry over 43 years as an engineer, manager, assessor, training then finishing my years off as an engineer. Engineers are always going to differ in their opinions, different organisations have differing procedures and views on classifications, this doesn’t help the industry, At the end of the day if anything did happen and you ended up with a prosecution Barrister questioning your actions, who will have done their research and had ‘experts’ advising them, could your actions have covered the requirements of the industry and did you do enough to advise and protect the casualties involved, I would still go with AR specifically on the grounds your checking for the ID situation initially with your room sweep, therefore you are already looking at potential. People may disagree but I’ve always been a little twitchy around flues close to openings into properties where re entry is possible, previous experiences have opened my eyes to the risks working in this industry.
@plumbertime
@plumbertime 2 жыл бұрын
Mad that the first one is ncs Literally depends on what way the wind is blowing as to if it’s ID or not That’s why I AR that issue
@grahamhusk183
@grahamhusk183 2 жыл бұрын
Have to agree with you there @Plumber Time
@Purebeltersteve
@Purebeltersteve 2 жыл бұрын
Flue too close to an openable window is AR. For all you know wind blows a gale into window and then its picking up CO. Its ID then, so therefore there is A Risk as something MAY happen.
@edmetcalfe8974
@edmetcalfe8974 2 жыл бұрын
I think there’s a degree of judgement in this scenario, depending on how far under 300mm the clearance is. If I saw one that close to a window I’d be ARing it too.
@muzzz33
@muzzz33 2 жыл бұрын
Alright Derek , I've looked at the meter box situation, now I would not AR that one simply because 2.8 is specifically referring to a situation where there is a pathway for gas to enter a property , so a semi concealed meter box in a wall ,so if you had a damaged box or no sleeve etc you could get a pathway for gas to enter the property . A sunken meter box has no pathway to inside the premises so if gas was escaping it's going straight to atmosphere. If the meter was corroded due to the water ingress then I would class AR but until then just a NCS for me . Keep up the good work as you have great content .
@markwebb6741
@markwebb6741 Жыл бұрын
My thought exactly.
@timeyre9985
@timeyre9985 25 күн бұрын
yes i completely agree with what you are saying. ps as i walk around town there are literally doezens of damaged meter boxs on view, gas transporter arnt interested if you report it.
@thebeardedheatingco
@thebeardedheatingco 2 жыл бұрын
Great video mate!!! Love the layman's simple explanations! Keep them coming
@chrisjones4500
@chrisjones4500 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Derrek
@willlomas2725
@willlomas2725 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers Derek once again great stuff.
@jockster5525
@jockster5525 2 жыл бұрын
Quality mate 💪 thoroughly enjoyed your efforts here .
@davidrobbins9401
@davidrobbins9401 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Derek great explanation . And re cap for me
@raul835
@raul835 2 жыл бұрын
Another brilliant, informative vid!
@kevj1964
@kevj1964 2 жыл бұрын
another Great vid Derek.
@AnEyeScream
@AnEyeScream 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Nikola Ditsov
@clemfandango8777
@clemfandango8777 Жыл бұрын
Hello, not an argument but the picture at the start I would class as "at risk " the weather on that day would influence the results ,if that was a manufacturer that allowed 350ppm there could easily be conditionswhere the products enter the room.
@bentzionroyde4786
@bentzionroyde4786 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Derek great video 👍
@frankkelly6353
@frankkelly6353 2 жыл бұрын
As usual, great video!
@saidhissoufi277
@saidhissoufi277 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mr Derek. Can you please make a video on the scope of commercial and domestic installations. I was trying to get some advice on gas safe Facebook page regarding the installation of a boiler in a mosque. Some engineers said I am not allowed to install it as the building is not a dwelling. I replied by arguing the it is the installation volume that determines the scope of the installation ( 0.035m3). Thanks
@tomkatgastraining
@tomkatgastraining 2 жыл бұрын
On the to do list 👍🏻
@paulgannon3261
@paulgannon3261 2 жыл бұрын
Over the years I have issued four Riddors but never heard anything from it. Not sure if that is the usual procedure but I did my bit
@tomkatgastraining
@tomkatgastraining 2 жыл бұрын
Yeh it’s rubbish how you don’t hear anything from the HSE you don’t even get told if they are pursuing it or not
@abdulh63
@abdulh63 2 жыл бұрын
Makes a lot of sense. Thank you
@CommercialGasEngineerVideos
@CommercialGasEngineerVideos 2 жыл бұрын
It's time to watch Tomkat. Oh no but I have to work. I guess I can see this as training🤔.
@jezlucas3878
@jezlucas3878 3 ай бұрын
Hi Derek, do you have a video on online inspection and what's involved , I understand its all about unsafe situations but with the requirement of microphone and speakers is there anything more to it . Really just to prepare Or is the microphone just to communicate about how your doing ect
@tomkatgastraining
@tomkatgastraining 3 ай бұрын
Sorry know I don’t think gas safe would be happy with me doing that 😢
@rickymorgan794
@rickymorgan794 Жыл бұрын
I disagree with the meter box. That regulation is regarding a pathway to the property via a damaged box. A broken lid on an external box does not offer a pathway in to the property at all.
@tomkatgastraining
@tomkatgastraining Жыл бұрын
But puts the meter under water so becomes AR
@bryanwilliams3827
@bryanwilliams3827 2 жыл бұрын
Bryan Williams great
@DavidWilliams-pn4eq
@DavidWilliams-pn4eq 2 жыл бұрын
On the meter box being damaged is at risk do you put sticker on meter box and with customer’s permission turn whole gas installation off at the meter ?? Cheers
@tomkatgastraining
@tomkatgastraining 2 жыл бұрын
Yep 👍🏻
@rickyvanniekerk771
@rickyvanniekerk771 2 жыл бұрын
With regard to the flue, years ago 2 faults in the same category would be upgraded. Is that still the case? If so that installation would be upgraded to AR due to being too close to the openable window and also within 150 of the opening to the fabric of the building ie, the window frame itself
@tomkatgastraining
@tomkatgastraining 2 жыл бұрын
The 150 measurements is not in any regs or standards I have ever read
@rickyvanniekerk771
@rickyvanniekerk771 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomkatgastraining it definitely used to be there. Whether it still is I don’t know. will be in the section where you have the diagram of a building and all the different flue terminations. Possibly under flue terminations next to an opening with an additional note * the flue should not terminate within 150mm of an opening into the building fabric formed for the purpose of accommodating a built in element such as a widow or door frame.. something like that….
@pookievision
@pookievision 2 жыл бұрын
Sup D 👋 do ya do any breakdown or fault finding scenario videos? What to look for leaks/spillage wise on a service ie crust on a heat exchanger! Be very helpful as learning be a repair engineer in few months! 👍
@tomkatgastraining
@tomkatgastraining 2 жыл бұрын
Have a look at the playlist on the channel
@pookievision
@pookievision 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomkatgastraining will do buddy! If i cant find summin im lookin for ill holla a comment on a vid i do find! 👍
@hrgh4538
@hrgh4538 Жыл бұрын
Fueled gas fire in a living room with no ventilation is ID?
@tomkatgastraining
@tomkatgastraining Жыл бұрын
No it isn’t unless the appliance is spilling poc
@suewarrington8155
@suewarrington8155 2 жыл бұрын
👍 Sue Warrington
@Luke-yy1fq
@Luke-yy1fq 2 жыл бұрын
Can we just turn off at user controls for AR Derek say a boiler
@tomkatgastraining
@tomkatgastraining 2 жыл бұрын
No it’s about the gas so must isolate the gas not controls
@jon-paulward4580
@jon-paulward4580 2 жыл бұрын
Jon-Paul Ward
@robertyoung3140
@robertyoung3140 2 жыл бұрын
Ace bud.
@samchappell233
@samchappell233 2 жыл бұрын
👍
@SuperWayneyb
@SuperWayneyb 2 жыл бұрын
🤘😎🤘
@danielcarragher6628
@danielcarragher6628 2 жыл бұрын
Daniel carragher
@plumberdan5720
@plumberdan5720 2 жыл бұрын
So that flue at the start is NCS not AR?
@tomkatgastraining
@tomkatgastraining 2 жыл бұрын
Correct
@edmetcalfe8974
@edmetcalfe8974 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomkatgastraining how is there not a risk of POCs entering the room?
@tomkatgastraining
@tomkatgastraining 2 жыл бұрын
@@edmetcalfe8974 the windows shut
@edmetcalfe8974
@edmetcalfe8974 2 жыл бұрын
@@tomkatgastraining but it’s openable. You’ve done a sweep test around the window and not picked anything up but if the wind changes it could do in future. I’d say that meets the definition you give for AR - at risk of becoming immediately dangerous in future.
@tomkatgastraining
@tomkatgastraining 2 жыл бұрын
@@edmetcalfe8974 but what if the window is never opened also you can get poc coming into a window when the flue is 300 mm away and would you ID a cooker because the burner could get food on it and make it incomplete.
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