Deadpoints and Dynos aren't different curves, they are just different parts of the same curve. Gravity always pulls with a constant acceleration so the ballistic trajectory of your body will always be a parabola. Deadpoints end at the peak of the parabola to advantage "deadpoint" effect. Dynos are usually bigger moves to better holds so you can hang on even if you pass the deadpoint.
@cxgsdgs2 жыл бұрын
I think what’s explained in the video is that it’s 2 parabolas, but they are in opposite direction with respect to the wall? The shape is the same, but the dead point parabola would end up inside the wall, whereas the dyno would end up away from the wall. I still can relate with the point that the holds are caught at different points in the curve, since with dyno there’s still a lot of momentum left when catching
@p0t4t0nastick2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, it would be easier and clearer to explain it your way. The additional terminology isn't needed and might confuse more people than it helps.
@luke_the_nuke2 жыл бұрын
@@cxgsdgs Gravity is always pointing in the same direction so the parabola of most efficient movement is always pointing in the same direction. Trying to follow a curve in any other direction would be impossible without a significant amount of external force. Comparing his deadpoint and dyno on the moonboard at 6:12 you can see that his hips are following a "backwards C curve" towards the wall in both cases. The only difference is that the dyno has a larger vertical component of velocity and more swing at the end.
@josb22102 жыл бұрын
@@luke_the_nuke completly agree with you Again, deadpoint you grap it at the top of the elliptical curve, where your speed is 0 (ie: just before gravity acceleration brings your speed towards the ground). The advantage is to use less strength/finger strength to grab the hold. It also usually bring your hip closer to the wall and this more weight on your feet.
@JF3T2 жыл бұрын
@@luke_the_nuke I fully agree with you, but I think where’s getting at is the shape the body makes when you hit the hold depending on the deadpoint or dyno. Deadpoints he has the backwards “C”, and dynos he has the “C”. But regardless the way to initialize the two are the same, but when you grab the hold is the main difference.
@cafeclimb32742 жыл бұрын
In my alpha Chad climber mind climbing with c curve (commonly known as dynamic climbing) is nothing but weakness. True gangster boulderers climb in a static front crab-like style, looking off every hold and if possible releasing the feet to force a campus move. This is done while crimping the shit out of every hold. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter how you complete the boulder, it’s about how to do it while showing you are at the top of dominance hierarchy.
@5frogfrenzy2 жыл бұрын
v2 at my gym
@felixneumann51062 жыл бұрын
so true, in my climbing gym in germany many very strong experienced climbers tell you that strong climbers climb static while only beginners climb dynamic. this is so dump. in my opinion 90% of movements are way more efficient when executet dynamicli.
@lawrencetchen2 жыл бұрын
Lmao, is this a future climbing copypasta?
@cafeclimb32742 жыл бұрын
@@lawrencetchen I have taken a dark path my friend. Climbing is the complimentary workout for my campus.
@julianisface2 жыл бұрын
I was so confused until the very end when you explain the pull in first vs. pull-in second. Visually it doesn't look like a C at all. Really good tips regardless I think this will help me a ton breaking the post-noob gains plateau
@shanybody2 жыл бұрын
I am so impressed that you explain all the techniques in a theoretical way, which in my opinion is profoundly significant, more than just teaching the ways of what it appears to be. Excellent work!! Keep it up bro👍👍
@dominibagpl2 жыл бұрын
I really don't get this C curve explanation when it comes to the deadpoint. I don't think that you are supposed to bring your body away from the wall first and then pull yourself back. Isn't deadpoint exactly the same as the dyno when it comes to the climber's movement trajectory? EDIT: I rewatched the video a few times and you actually say that we pull our bodies into the wall reaching to the hold at the same time during deadpoint, but I don't really think that it creates a C curve type of motion. Looking at your movement - it looks like a backwards C all the time.
@1AmTheStig2 жыл бұрын
Yeah agreed, looks like a C, but into the wall then up.
@verbalwound58742 жыл бұрын
Gotta find that clickbait KZfaq title and thumbnail
@azdirtnaper2 жыл бұрын
The idea of it, is when you push out a little away from the wall, then pull in and reach (while deadpointing), so your momentum is moving you towards the wall while also towards the hold. It's not a literal C, but I think he uses that to help people understand how to do the beadpoint. Dynoing you can't do the normal C, as you are using your legs to push you are more than likely not holding on to anything at that point, so you're momentum is pushing you away from the wall.
@kft47642 жыл бұрын
If you break it down, on a dead point you are pushing with your feet while maintaining a hold of the wall with your hands. This creates an arc around the handhold with the radius of your arm. That arc being furthest away from the wall in the middle, and closest at the top and bottom of the swing. Sometimes it might feel more linear, like you are dead pointing straight at a hold, but the more likely occurrence is that you are simply starting from the middle of the arc where your body is the furthest away from the wall and moving into the top of the arc where you end up closer to the wall. So in that case you don't feel like your body moved out and back in.
@azdirtnaper2 жыл бұрын
@@kft4764 sure i could understand that, I think he is saying it this way so a new person can learn it easier, and can develope their form.
@FlashEscalade2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking about this during the last two days. Incredible timing. PDM
@KushagraSinha2 жыл бұрын
I haven't seen this kind of an analysis before. Thanks for the video!
@64_bit8011 ай бұрын
this is the best climbing channel ever
@codyheiner36362 жыл бұрын
The reasoning I would give for the difference is that dynos and deadpoints have different bottlenecks. In a deadpoint, the bottleneck is holding onto the target hold, while in a dyno the bottleneck is generating enough momentum during the launch. Therefore, you can afford to push yourself out from the wall more with your legs in a dyno, if it means also generating more upwards momentum.
@Nixthyo2 жыл бұрын
Love how concise your videos are
@mehitsanthony2 жыл бұрын
i don't understand -- i don't see any C curve (of your hips), i see a backwards C in all cases
@leoingson2 жыл бұрын
You got your C backwards - body moves toward the wall first. Edit: "The C curve" and "The Backwards C" segment are exactly the same. There are a few moves, where you actually accelerate away from the wall, then pull yourself back in. Like if a volume is in the way. You did not show that.
@felixneumann51062 жыл бұрын
one of the best videos on climbing technique. Understanding deadpointing is equaliy important as flaging for me. I see so many climbers stronger and more experienced the me who static hard moves that would be way easier if you did them dynamicli.
@felixneumann51062 жыл бұрын
In adition when i am confronted with a move to a very bad crimp ore sloper i try not only to deadpoint verticaly but also pull myself into the wall and catch the bad hold while the momentum pushes me against the wall. that way my hands can develope the full gripping force before gravity pulls me back.
@tinachang26572 жыл бұрын
Hello, Thank you for your videos; they’ve been so helpful. Would you consider making a video on optimizing one’s diet for climbing? Thank you!
@Neekolazz2 жыл бұрын
Man, I typically really like your videos, and method of explanation, but I did not like this curve distinction. After re-watching multiple times to try and see this curve you're talking about, but both the dyno and the dead-point seem to be the same curve of motion to me. I went to google to see if anybody else could explain the C vs. backwards C motion you're talking about, but nothing came up. If you make up this new terminology, I think it's more confusing than helpful.
@TheSamNoel2 жыл бұрын
Was just at this same gym a few days ago and loved it. Even did some of the routes you show in the vid 😆 I don't live in SLC but will definitely be going back next time I'm there
@lotsofsmiles27772 жыл бұрын
Nice video! Love the content and definitely made me think about my moves. Keep it up!
@thesii2132 жыл бұрын
Bit late to this, but have you ever written about shoes? It seems like you've used quite a few, and I'd be curious to hear your thoughts!
@Mappy13Neb2 жыл бұрын
did you just move to slc?
@cathisamma69682 жыл бұрын
Thanks! This was really helpful
@raymondfoo90452 жыл бұрын
Please teach how to use lower body pushing power (leg and core) to stay close to wall and avoid cut feet when you reach the hold on overhang terrain. Sometimes I can't put weight on my foot thus I can't generate enough pushing power from foot, although I do keep in mind to keep my arm straight.
@superman67212 жыл бұрын
He’s got one called “Why you can’t hold body tension”. That’s what you’re looking for. He gives a great explanation as to why your feet can’t stay on in steep terrain and how to work on it
@philipppuchner11152 жыл бұрын
@Raymond Foo look for drop knee to create tension between your feet. Cutting feet for most people that aren't climbing too long and are not that experianced, thus asking such questions, are climbing just with quared hips like you would on a slab. That's the reason. Turn your hips in whenever possible on an overhanging terain, backstep-flag is THE utility move you can use most of the time. If there is a second foothold on the other side of your body somewhere: try to used it for a drop knee. If you are not backstepping (turn from the insid eedge to the outside edge of the shoe to rotate your hips towards the wall) or drop kneeing, or hooking or whatever, you may flag your free foot in front of your body or behind it for balance. This could apply when there are 2 footholds, one higher and one lower and the lower one beeing too low when you reach the target handhold. As a consequence, your body flies out, you need even more strength in four hand and even the other floot may slip. Use the higher foothold and flag to stabilize your body and reach the handhold. Then there won't be any swing and you won't use your foot because there is no swing and your bodyweight presses down on the higher, single foothold instead of beeing devided to two footholds + the body flying out. I hope you know what i mean and that it makes sense to you. Also wah the user Super man said: Watch the video "Why you can’t hold body tension". No matter what you do and what move you make, ALWAYS focus your mental energy to your feet pressing down to the footholds! No matter what your arms are doing. When you loose four feet it's game over (or you just waste huge amounts of energy), so the hands don't matter anyway.
@raymondfoo90452 жыл бұрын
@@philipppuchner1115 I will try to implement more of those techniques, but sometimes there's no possibility of using drop knee (outside edge) etc. Ya, just have to focus on feet a lot!
@philipppuchner11152 жыл бұрын
@@raymondfoo9045 You're right, sometimes you have sh*tty to no feet! Try to dig down as hard as you can with your toes. Also like stretching four leg make your body as long as possible and give it everything to push down your toes like you would push a button into the wall with force, and don't let that button come back up again. Whatever you do, NEVER let go of the button, not even the slightest split of a second! No matter what you do, keep the tension and the pressure at your toes at ALL costs! Lastly, as i watch newer climbers or ones in like rental shoes: Get good shoes with a soft and sticky rubber and size them aproprietly, which means, don't let them be too comfy! Precise shoes with precise toes work better by FAR when you want to apply preaasure at one Point. Also keep the rubber sole of your shoes clean to have the most stickyness. Also don't be too lazy to brush the holds before you climb an indoor boulder, also the FOOTholds, not jus the handholds! Then blow off the loose chalk and rubber which is still there on the hold. I promise you, that DO make a difference, sometimes much more than you think!
@sandybuttcheeks60912 жыл бұрын
HEY - dont take it too literally. I believe the point being made is that you can think of the movements as a curve to aid in your mental understanding of approaching the different types of moves... deadpoint is heading into the wall, dyno is heading out. Following these principles you can generally get a higher percentage.
@ItzGanked2 жыл бұрын
concave and convex - climbers be rotating shapings
@mihkelhint2 жыл бұрын
Is that moonboard at standard 40 or steeper? Looks like it could be almost at 45 or somewhere in between :D
@movementforclimbers2 жыл бұрын
it's the standard 40.
@nikkitangtiphongkul12972 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙏
@yybbhn2 жыл бұрын
the backwards parabola for dynos just blew my mind
@user-eo7it3bm5d2 жыл бұрын
It's more of a constant backwards C all the time, instead of having two different types of moving curves. Also, core shall be a better initiating force on almost every move of climbing if possible. Using hands' pulling as the starting point of your move is inefficient no matter what kind of move it is.