Veronica Redd Forrest, best known as Mamie on The Young and the Restless

​@@nightowlchad oh snap! That's Mamie?

She’s a real biological woman 🌸💁🏽‍♀️ 😊

@@shesscrolling7855OK… and?

@@shesscrolling7855”real”? 🙄

I think there was a similar storyline on an episode of All in the Family. Of course Archie was the one having trouble with the topic, and Edith was just very confused in her sweet way.

PRAISE CHRIST YESHUA FOR SHEDDING HIS INNOCENT BLOOD ON THE CROSS IN CALVERY SO THAT WE COULD LIVE FOR ETERNITY IN HEAVEN. WITHOUT YESHUA WE WILL NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND. MATTHEW 3:2.

@@yeshuaischrist9951 Well, at least you said Yeshuah and not Jesus. lol

Kudos for pushing this evil filth? It just means Satanic Hollyweird has been pushing this filth longer than people realize.

Kudos?! Really bro.... Really?!

He had a horrible show where Edith was supposed to have been raped on all in the family. They sold it as the first show on television to deal with rape. But that wasn’t so. All the way back in 1955 what are the early gun smoke episodes dealt with rape. That Indian girl was raped they just didn’t use the term. It was obvious that she was pretty beat up because she was up in docs office they had to get Miss kitty in to look at her. Again that was 1955.

He effed over good times to make JJ dumber at the cost of his 2 stars Esther Rolle and John Amos. I feel so ashamed seeing Jimmie Walker yelling dyn-o-mite as an old man in those Medicare commercials, which explains why they disliked it. I do admit live from a studio audience was fun though not the diffrent strokes one lol Kevin Hart in that old man's lap. But yes Norman Lear know politically incorrect humor well, and Carroll O'Connor had great range to be so different from obtuse and casually condescending Archie Bunker. 1:00 is a normal reaction compared to nowadays where everyone has to bend over to transgenders as they take over the schools and women's sports.

Dont pat him on the back too soon. He stole alot of ideas from a blackman and never gave him credit. Also he was known to being a racist.

I think you meant to say ERIC MONTE.

@@MrVariant Leaving others alone is POSITIVE, good n healthy. YOU CAN'T do that. You're the same as those who are willing to ruin women's sports with unfair competition. Why do you not want to LEAVE PEOPLE ALONE?

Veronica Redd is a biological women

Just like Archie

Why is he ignorant? He's right! He is still a man and he still is Eddie.

@@infamous1427 exactly 👍

@@infamous1427 You’re ignorant. If you change your government name you are no longer your old self. You can not be a man with sex change and if no one knew that she changed her sex or gender, people would still assume that she’s a woman. Gender is not real, sex is and her gender is female. Sexually she’s a woman because where sexual organs are different. The only thing still male is the fitness limits that she has the ability to reach that most women can’t. You don’t get to decide and quantify someone else’s identity, just like no one else can to you.

I get your point, but some messages really are timeless. And this one could apply to other issues of self - acceptance and or societal tolerance. George simply wasn't ready.

I know and we didn’t make a big fuss about it

Yeah it's called CONDITIONING

Yeah but the difference is, you can't express the same discomfort today, as George felt back then - especially if you are white

I was naive back then sometimes I think I still am lol but I didn’t know what all that meant back then

There no change, he’s still a man and always will be, no amount of makeup and surgery ain’t gonna change that fact

@@ninjanibba4259 there are women born and raised female with full female genitalia that have XY chromosomes. There is a trans woman here on KZfaq that was born male but has XX chromosomes. What would you call those people? Gender and sex are more complicated than chromosomes, or genitals. Chromosomes are only instructions for the body to develop, they are fallible and make mistakes, which is how we get intersex and transgender people. The biggest determinator for gender behavior as it is relevant in society is your hormones, which trans people change through hormone replacement therapy. And autopsies have also shown that trans women have the brain anatomy and brain chemistry of biological women. And male and female genitalia are homologous. For every part of the male genitals there is a female anatomical equivalent. What keeps you intolerant of trans people is your ignorance on what makes a man or what makes a woman. Trans people challenge your worldview and unfortunately you are one of the many people who are too stubborn to accept that not everyone fits into the narrow categories you’re so desperate for them to fit into.

That is an actual female actress though, right?

@ᴄᴏᴜʀᴛɴᴇʏ ᴡʜɪᴛᴍᴏʀᴇ I don’t care? Men are men, women are women, that simple, anything else is crazy territory

@@lawdhammercy4448 Veronica Redd is/was the actresses name

Yeah, too bad the White shows weren't all inclusive. That's where they should have been showcasing this abomination.

yes 📺📺📺🙏❣️💜

He didn't even want her touching him tho- I appreciate the inclusivity, I just wish she wasn't treated like she had a contagious disease 🤦🏻‍♀️😞

Thats every show back then because the world wasnt turned into snowflakes by democrats yet. 💯🤷🏾‍♂️

A difficult subject even nowadays. Ariana DeBose bravely touched on the subject of her sexuality in her Oscar acceptance speech. But this milestone moment was overshadowed by the drama at the Oscars between Will Smith & Chris Rock. SMH

I understand all black woman are happy. This is the message they been trying to give black men for years.all you need to do is to get a sex change and all your problems magically go away. I say magically because this is the real witchcraft.in a country raising people on Disney and Halloween. Both founders were witches.

@@El-flaco-d seek help

I had friends that have sex change there makeing this stupid and makeing George look like a fool cause he can't accept it ....please I never did like this show 👎😐

@@El-flaco-d true another thing with these shows makes black men overly scrutinize beautiful black skinny women because the message they keep getting is beautiful black skinny women are actually men...it so backward

Lmao Mr Jefferson was gay tho.. that's what makes this funny

That's good. Lol

Maybe more than a drink 😊 Sherman Helmsley ( George Jefferson) was gay in real life.

@@borisaoco44 Wow, that deepens the interpretation of the scene and acting a little bit.

@@borisaoco44 says who?

That's really a man, they put it in plain sight. Look at how big the hands are. Look at the pyramid symbol he made with his hands at 1:44.

He

Yeah, a woman playing a man who became a woman...she did amazing

@@burgerking220 this was a real woman

Not tough for a woman to play a woman.

@@atarbuck3452 you try it

Yess....

Marla Gibbs is still here!!

Yep, Marla. I think Jennie and the dark-skinned Lionel are still kicking

Yes, agreed, I miss the good old days. When television actually taught lessons to the audience, and kept children, children. Respect, honesty and courage. Yeah , I would sell my soul to go back.

IT WAS FUNNY AND SUPRISING TO ME THEY LET GEORGE SAY CRACKER...AS MUCH AS HE DID...AND IN THOSE TIMES...TOM COULD NOT...DARE NOT CALL GEORGE A ...U KNOW WHAT...AND ZEBRA WAS USED SO MUCH...NEVER HEARD IT TILL THEN...DONT THINK IVE HEARD IT SINCE THEN...IM STILL SURPRISED 2022🤭😏🤨😉🦚

Nah, even at the time, it was clear you were supposed to side with Edie, and the end of the episode made that even clearer.

@@stevencapsuto873 I disagree. Many thought, "poor evie" and George's friend is different. Maybe you thought the audience was supposed to side with someone when many just saw it as happening to George with no sides to be taken. "It is what it is" (which is a saying our community started)

Yes this indeed!

@@LydiAtheistLady George accepted her at the end too.

Sure

They pushed the fabric of society by example and leadership.

Maude

What the kind that conditioned us to where we are today?

Norman Lear was a true groundbreaker. I hope he makes it to 100. He's pretty close!

When they started pushing independence for women and equality. It messed up the households. And also a lot of men going to jail and getting in drugs

It was played by a woman - not a transwoman. So not realistic at all

@@jayjaydubful a female character was played by a woman. More accurate than eddie redmayne

@@twokindsofovenfries32 ooh you're not conflating sex & gender are you? You lose points on your progressive card for that

@@jayjaydubful Oh good lord you’re a terf

@@neurodivergentpixi6736 wow you make a lot of assumptions about my age, sexuality, knowledge & experience. Maybe you should take some of your own advice. There were trans identified men in this period or a man could have played the part. Getting a woman to play the part is propaganda and gaslighting. It is disrespect to women. Women couldnt have equal pay or own property until well into the 70s. They could get raped in marriage until the 90s. And now we're losing our rights all over again.

Amazing? You no go outside? Nothing else going on in your life to compare the word amazing too?

Hah amazing that hilarious, theirs nothing amazing about this. This stuff is being shoved down everyone’s throats lord forbid you don’t agree and it’s a HUGE problem. Then theirs the big problem of trying to teach this stuff to children which is not appropriate.

Your statement is an acknowledgement that we are being constantly censored, mentally manipulated and reprogrammed. Whether you consciously believe in "Conspiracy Theories" or not you have just recognized that an Agenda is definitely in play. We are all compliant with it. Welcome to the New World Order.

@The Chard N Nay Show Not pushing. Just letting it be known that these people simply do exist just like they did 40 years ago as you can see in this episode and 40 years before that and so on. By the way your comment is very reminiscent to things white folks would say when shows and movies starterd having more amd more minorities in them or sports started letting them play along side them.....IJS

@The Chard N Nay Show definitely over due discussions that need to be had .

Most definitely

What episode is this

News flash most on TV are...

He was gay in real life

@@soulqueen3819 I know I learned that late in life. He was a great actor. Great comic timing. The Jeffersons ROCKED.

Same here but I didn't make a big thing about it I respected it on this episode they have him acting really stupid about it to be real I never did like the show

It was as relevant then as it is now. Just because it’s in the 70s and this still exists doesn’t mean it was ahead. Just goes to show how much things hasn’t drastically changed.

@@tonyallen6510 George Jeffersons character was to reflect the bigotry back then. Just as Archie Bunker did. That's why his character is acting like that.

@@shawns4354 I guess I never really like the show watch it here and there they made him to be so stupid in the show

Only note is that it's gender dysphoria, not dysmorphia. Body dysmorphia relates to body image and size, whereas body dysphoria relates to a feeling of wrongness with one's gender. Here's a wikipedia link on it: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria Source: Am trans

what does that have to do with gender identification? you dont “like” gender - it’s an identity. it just IS.

@@weeniehutjr9977 Hi. Did you watch the scene? My comment had nothing to do with gender identification. In the scene, George obviously doesn’t want to accept his friends new “life” as a chick. Which, is his opinion. What’s your issue??

@@prentisdavis9781 that’s not an “opinion” an “opinion” is “I don’t like the color orange”. “I don’t like your identity” is barely even an opinion

@@babyvia6712 Uh… watch the video and get out of your feelings. Liking is liking. Disliking is disliking. Grow up.

@@prentisdavis9781 grow up and realize that “liking” trans people isn’t the point. Grow up and realize that “disliking” is something that should never have anything to do with anyone else. You dislike the idea of transgenderism keep it to yourself. No matter what you ALWAYS validate the identities of your loved ones. You don’t get an opinion on another persons identity.

I believe this was waaaay before the 90's.

@@manano06 reruns love.

@@GioMero4Eva ahhhh...got ya.

@@manano06 you're sloth slow as hell ain't you??!!!!

I would like to fly up in you

You should also check out All in the Family. The Jeffersons was a spinoff from that sitcom (among a few others). Norman Lear tackled a lot of topics on that show as well. Most of the topics are still relevant today. Great shows! Sadly, if someone created shows like this today, they would be canceled due to people not wanting to understand the content and message.

Both sobering comments. I know I'm just an altruistic fool to many, but I still have faith in humanity despite all the atrocities I have seen.

Trans people are men. Not women. You cannot become a woman no matter what

You should watch a show called GOOD TIMES. Duhhhhh

T-peeps are not misunderstood. Everyone just doesn't agree with their nonsense.

I didn't find it funny. It was a sad story. And he ends up running away in the end. Eck.

@@joshyishot its a sad story but what makes it good is that did do stuff to hold people's attention while bringing up the serious stuff kinda like the bicycle man episode of Different Strokes

@@joshyishot like seriously as a trans woman myself I'm telling you that they didn't play her character up for laughs like other shows have. They portrayed her in an amazing way and showed a somewhat legitimate way a transphobe or ignorant person would react to that situation

And this is exactly the way George would have acted back then. Very realistic .

@@TrudyPatootie right exactly I'm glad they showed how it really was and how hurtful

@@chelsep Yep... very hurtful.

That’s actually not how the episode ends. George comes around to accepting Edith, which was commendable for George. Can’t blame him for his initial shock and confusion. People need time to come around. I personally loved this episode.

@@lifein_between5631 wow that's awesome 👌 very ahead of its time

flilguy: Ms Redd-Forrest has gone on to do other roles as well 👍👍. I saw this episode only in syndication and was surprised to see issues like transgenderism being addressed. Then again, my late mother used to say "nothing is new, under the sun."

@@cocoafemme47 your mother was a very smart woman!

@@cocoafemme47 My grandma says that very line

Oh yeah. I was trying to figure out where else I hv seen her. Thanks!

@@cocoafemme47 Ms. Redd-Forrest also played the elegant and refined Constance Oglevee, the mother of Professor Stanley Oglevee (Dorien Wilson) on the sitcom _The Parkers._

Is it also how you came to know what Halloween was?

That's amazing!!! The show actually taught someone a valuable lesson😍

This doesn’t tell you what being transgender is at all though ……… There literally wasn’t anything valuable taught about trans people . Other than that people dislike them purely out of Being different

@@AddictionToAwareness what lesson

@ᴄᴏᴜʀᴛɴᴇʏ ᴡʜɪᴛᴍᴏʀᴇGeorge is a racist and Mr. I had the operation is making a complete MOCKERY of actual women. Neither deserve ANY respect.

She did a fabulous job. And you're right the danger was and sadly still is real.

Thank you for the tip. I pulled up Amazon Prime and enjoyed this episode as well as the one about Billy Dee Williams! 😂

I’m one or two episodes away from this one. Been watching all episodes in order. Such a great show, and one of the best theme songs in history. Lol.

Beverly on ALL IN THE FAMILY is an odd case. Depending which episodes you watched, you might perceive the character as trans or as a cisgender (and probably gay) drag performer. In his first appearance, Beverly explicitly asks to be referred to in male terms.

@@stevencapsuto873 there's hardly any difference your splitting hairs

@@truthhurts775 trans women don't identify with male pronouns. 😑

A cis man who asks to be called by male pronouns is not a trans woman. That's not splitting hairs.

@@scj3188 I identify as someone who believes reality not your subjective pseudo science

Yes it was a beautiful dress. i would wear that today

Body Dysphoria has ALWAYS been around-

Yes?

Now we are transgendering our children

@@christophermclean3921 oh no! Not that.

Ahead of its time, I thought sex change was recent. I didn't know it was a thing over 40 years ago.

Golden Girls touched on a lot of subjects too that I'm just now realizing as an adult watching them.

I its nice to watch non pc content , yet be mature about sensitive topics.

There was a lot of progress being made in the 70s. The 80s are when everything took two steps back. You went from all in the family to full house...

@@johnindigo5477 What’s wrong with Full House?

I REMEMBER THAT EPISODE...THAT CHARACTER WAS MURDERED....HATE CRIME

It was Beverly. Archie gave him mouth to mouth to save his life finding out later it was a man in drag.

Beverly! I adored that character.

I was a kid watching this, reruns, i was little. But oh do i remember that episode. I find it amazing that boomers complain about people being liberal abs modern shows but ignore how liberal abs modern their shows were. :)

I also remember Archie big masculine friend was homosexual.

Girl... put your records on

@@adamh9271 Play your favourite song

Go ahead let your hair doowwnn!!

lol

Back then, if you came out to your friends and family as trans, you were lucky if they didn't kill you. This episode took a *much* lighter approach. Trans women are still murdered every week in this country. While I know how insane cancel culture can be, most trans people don't have the luxury of being 'insane.' Their livelihood hangs in the balance.

Teachable moment

The Twitter that didn’t exist?

@@LegionIvory best response!

The actress was not trans

The general public in the U.S. became aware of gender-confirmation surgery in 1952-53, amid media coverage (much of it mocking) of Christine Jorgensen's transition.

Christine Jorgensen

Then unheard of. Now, it's all that's ever heard.

@@justynjonn Only if you actively look for it, pal.

And magical, that’s a female, most trans look masculine cuz they’re actually still men

@@ninjanibba4259 lol how would you know

@@GeeBarone cuz I have eyes

@@ninjanibba4259 But you wouldn't know if you couldn't tell...

@@GeeBarone I clearly just said i could, I do every day

Half of Society is already messed up by thinking this is ok

Yes all in the family. I never knew about this episode from the Jeffersons. Wow. Norman Lear was way ahead of his time

@@thekaerichtexas True enough! 😃

No no no! I HATED when Edith questioned God. To see her faith shaken like that...😢😢

The real reason for such a plot should be obvious today...

@@deductivereasoning4257 hence the name "Deductive Reasoning" Lol!

Ummm we have too many of this nowadays. Was ground breaking back then though.

@@henny6566 there could never be too much representation. And nowadays it's not this classy tbh

I mean you learned from your mistakes. It might be too late to say sorry but at least you can be a good person to the next trans person that comes into your life.

@@jocelynduncan3127 i agree. We were all uninformed at one point. Growth is a good thing.

You mean that's a woman for real?

@@the.real.novatic1 😂😂😂😂

@@the.real.novatic1 You must be short like George’ “for real “

@@silvercat5309 no

How do you know.

People would love it, this is the norm nowadays

Protest at the network, calling for George to get cancelled, network turning lynoel gay

@@shakeemdiggz2354 A protest would surely happen! So many people would be offended this was 'made a joke' and wasn't a serious subject

@@shakeemdiggz2354 The whole point is that George is a buffoon and his prejudices are being ridiculed. And you haven't seen the show's ending if all you've seen is this clip.

Conservatives would be having fake social media boycotts of the network.

I didn't even know that until after he died.

I didn't know he was gay.

@@davidval7188 most of Hollywood is 🤷🏾‍♀️

Dad from Family Matters is gay...uncle phil from fresh prince. was gay....George Jefferson was GAY 🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃

@@kayyoung9242 wow. Didn’t know that..Reginald vel Johnson and James Avery??.. wow!!!

You mean the very first “Alan”, not the second Alan Willis, right?

One joke.

@WILLIE SMITH III The pendulum swings both ways, for too long it barely moved. It's true it seems like overkill everywhere you look right now because everyone is trying to adjust, it will level out eventually and not seem such an extreme. Growth can be scary in general, never mind when it will affect so many aspects of life and how things were before.

@WILLIE SMITH III I hear you, I've reached saturation myself. To me it needn't be such an issue, everyone wants to be waving their banner, whether it be nationality of origin, preferences, faiths, haves, have nots and everything in between. It can me numbing, cause nonchalant complacency or just down right indifference. Meanwhile " nothing's going on but the rent ".

Maybe they couldn't find one back then idk lol

Cis woman

Because they still look like men

Every body knows right from wrong. But what was a wrong thing to do....it was destroyed all at once. Sodom and Gomorrah. U C the world is on the brink of announcing peace and once that happens the end time is near

@@yelpyelptruedat.8521 "Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the band played on."

The general format of these Lear sitcoms was to portray prejudice in the first half of the episode and then challenge it in the second half.

Thanks for your response and for loading the video. To its credit it's great for the episode to put a human face to "them weirdos", but my 2022 sensibilities still can't help but feel a tinge of pain when people living their true life, like Edie here, are cast aside and rejected.

What do you mean? That was the funny part lmao

What are you even talking about? It was a realistic portrayal for the time. Stop thinking as if it was modern day. It was a topic no other show was willing to touch.

On 20th-century American TV? Cis actors playing trans was par for the course. I can't think of even one exception off the top of my head (though there may be some I'm not thinking of). That started changing around 2008.

@@stevencapsuto873 stop calling us cis.

@@chefboiardeeznutz9881 shut up cissy

@@chefboiardeeznutz9881 ahem… cis

​@@crnkmnky why do you get to force your terminology on us but we can't call trans people by their real pronouns?

Still some transphobic douchebags here and there, be overall people are being real respectful

If by woke ideology you mean basic respect and decency, then sure, I guess.

It's called acting.

Being gay is NOT a lifestyle, it's a sexual orientation! Big difference!

I’ll tell ya what. As a straight man, He is the kind of gay dude I wouldn’t mind being around. He just went about his business. He wasn’t flashy with it. He didn’t out it in your face. He didn’t force you to accept him. He didn’t brag about being gay. He didn’t dress up all “fabulous and fierce”. He didn’t use women’s mannerisms. He didnt talk with the “gay” twang. He was just simply gay and went about his business. I can respect that. Don’t tell me I have to like you because you’re gay. And then call me homophonic because I don’t want to be forced.

@@Keepdapocket Nobody is forcing you to be homophobic, pal. You're the one who's choosing to be that way.

Because he didn't need EVERYONE to like his lifestyle and forced to be in bathrooms with him etc... He understood that people have a right to dislike stuff as long as he was respected and not physically harmed. Therefore Acting out this role was easy to raise awareness that's it's okay to be different and losing some old family or friends etc is to be expected Not take away their rights to inadvertently do the same thing to them... It doesn't fix anything just builds more hatred. Love because you want to Not because you're forced... Respect & Honor everyone in kindness.

He

@@ninjanibba4259 *she

@@RevolutionAndPeace he

Trans people have been treated like shit for a long time

Actually trans women can and are very very beautiful. You can’t be serious with your comment

@@michaelberry7450 nah

@@michaelberry7450 it’s okay you like dudes but seriously? You can put lipstick on a pig but ….

In this case. It’s transphobic not homophobic

@@alphacharm whatever you say fam

The Jeffersons Created by - Don Nicholl - Michael Ross - Bernie West Developed by - Norman Lear All of whom were white. But "whatever you say fam".

@@SDayle what does that mean.....Tell me how that changes anything I said You weird ass dude

Damn I messed that up😂😂😂 The way he low jumped to get away from getting a drank

@@Dlieutenant Yeah, that was crazy funny😂🤣😂🤣😂

Yes it was

I actually took that just the way you said it the first time. Its just as funny. 😂

@@kingovharts crazy how the brain fixes stuff without us even noticing 🤪

Yeah. I like how they make jokes about both sides.

@@ratman202 The anti-trans jokes are only there to make the audience feel comfortable enough to actually let the message sink in. That was a clever tactic at the time, but now it would just be distasteful.

@@elhammo7478 I don't really care. I still find them funny.

@@ratman202 idk they just seem kind of sad to me

@@elhammo7478 Ok

Back then, the barely had Native Americans playing Native Americans.

Written in a way that makes sense and has decent grammar: "Just think: nowadays they would have *an actual* trans *woman* play this part. *Whereas,* this woman is *cisgender* in real life."

Exactly who are we? Society is beyond screwed in their thinking, this is not ok

@@ninjanibba4259 I didn't say it was OK. We just need to step back and look at ourselves. Not very pretty

I was thinking this is a real woman 😂

@@lareinelester685 Yeah, I've noticed a lot in the 70s, even when having stories about transitioned people, they would have cis actors for the part.

@@elizabethzacher3540 I don't know what a cis is. I just see a natural born woman playing the part.

@@lareinelester685 Cisgender, the gender you are born as.

Why? I thought transwomen were women? Unless you think the two are different, then you should have no problem with the actress playing the character, right?