Rex saving clones and then seeing them all fight on Endor together would be a sight to see.

​@@AkimboJV Facts. A whole set of Clone Battalions and Corps fighting to restore the Republic

Cal skirata the goat for savin some commandos and nuls

I like to think that the clones that were killed, were just a single group/cell of liberated clones and that there are more sprinkled through out the place.

They weren't really stripped of their personalities, though? We see numerous clones throughout the Bad Batch series, as well as various comics, who still have their personalities perfectly in tact, despite them all still having their inhibitor chips. Also, a lot of clone units didn't have unit markings even before the rise of the Empire. Take Commander Grey's battalion, for example, with very few exceptions (Grey, Styles, Big Mouth, and a couple others) every clone in that unit has plain white armor.

I agree, but feel like regular clones troopers had more personality than commando clones. These commandos behave like they are droids.

Actually it's not the chip doing. It's exactly how clones are. As we can see in season 1 episode 12 from The Bad Batch TV series the clones are fully able to recognize what's good and what's evil and they can defect from the Empire just like Howzer and his men did. But it was their own choice when those other clones willingly decided to stay with the Empire. Stop saying the clones are innocent, they're not droids and besides certain orders like order 66 they are fully responsible for what they are doing.

I Agree Cause I Only Respect Those “Clone Troopers” When They Are Loyal To The Side Of “GOOD (REPUBLIC)” Never For Turning “EVIL (EMPIRE)” >:-( !!!!

@@jonathanhahn6955 But honestly the Republic wasn't the good side during the Clone Wars. Their whole clone army, the GAR was literally an army of slaves created by Kaminoans to die on the battlefield when fighting for the corrupted Senate or evil chancellor Palpatine himself. The Republic wasn't doing anything to make clone situation better and they were not helping the Galaxy either. The Jedi were lapdogs of the Senate, their bidding always comes first. Jedi claimed peace but in truth they keep law and order for those who are rich and powerful. It was wide-known in the Galaxy. Unfortunately the Republic is not very different from the Empire.

@@jonathanhahn6955 But we can't really say that the Republic was a good side during the Clone Wars. Their whole army, the GAR, was literally an army of slaves created by Kaminoans and sold to the Republic just like they were some items. Not only that, the Republic didn't even allow the clones to choose their own paths in life. Instead the Republic was sending clone troopers to the battlefield so then will die fighting in a war that's not even about them of for their good. They were dying in a mud and blood for the corrupted Senate and evil Chancellor Palpatine. The Jedi Order wasn't good either. The Jedi were lapdogs of the Senate, their bidding always comes first. Jedi claim peace but in fact they keep law and order only for those who are rich and powerful. The Republic wasn't helping the Galaxy and they were commiting similar atrocities to the Empire (genocide of Talz people, false surrenders, using an army of slaves, killing innocent creatures like Zillo Beast, killing their own troopers because they know the truth like Fives, tried to charge Ahsoka with the penalty of death despite her being innocent and not having enough evidence to find her guilty etc.). When you look closely at the Clone Wars it becomes clear that in fact it was the Republic which was evil.

It’s been 3 years and now I’m used to it :(

they're basically like how they were in the prequel movies, devoid of personality until the clone wars show patched things up like it did with a lot of things for the movies

@@tofuteh2348even then in the movies they were very stoic and heroic. Like a GI Joe background character. They were just simple grunt heroes

@@fuoco1365 the clones in the movies barely showed any emotion or personality. Single out any single episode of TCW that features clones against episodes II and III combined and you'll see a painful contrast. Hell even the show's clones DURING order 66 showed more personality than the movies. Rex under control of the microchip still has a moment of anger with the droids shouting "are you cross-wired!?". That single moment alone has more charm and character in it than the flesh droids of the prequel trilogy

@@fuoco1365 Being stoic isn't exactly a distinctive personality trait. To be stoic is to be seemingly indifferent to joy and sadness, or pleasure and pain. You could describe a great many characters in the prequels as stoic.

After Order 66, they became Vader's Fist

We don’t know what happened to the Clone 501st in canon so true, they haven’t shown up under him in any canon media.

In what scene/episode would that have worked?

​@@MOCguy1 not canon

It is in canon there's comics where Vader killed Commander Fox and he's with 501

Jango used twin blasters so they’re probably all ambidextrous

​@@beanaye5433 Interesting 🤔

​@@beanaye5433That's a fact

​@@beanaye5433They are. At least in Legends, all clones are ambidextrous which is a trait that was passed down from Jango Fett.

Funny about cost when cloning was too expensive and yet palps built a huge planet size battle station that was more expensive than cloning lol

@@davidordaz5251but I imagine that a Death Star especially multiple of them is much more effective than continually paying for the production of more clones…

@@davidordaz5251 what do you think he was saving the money for? Palps for all his political genius and power in the force fell into the classic trap of one big super tool > many very competent smaller tools pretty often.

​@@joeysmith8818 Yep, Vader and Thrawn thought the same

Nah, that's still dumb. Keep the Clones around, stop making more and have the ones still here be the special operations of the Empire And refusal to deviate from orders? Tarkin thought they were too free going after the Jedi led them, so 😅

They did not turn emotionless, rather the chips stimulated the regions of their brains responsible for processing stress. Basically, they make them permanently on edge. It's easy to see why someone who is on edge 24/7 would be unpleasent to be around.

@@AnonD38 Interesting, thank you for the input

What do you mean unlike stormtroopers? Stormtroopers were normal people with normal values including camaraderie.

​@scoposteve8470 storm troopers are elite forces,they undergo harsh training with psychological conditioning,they are taught to dirsergard their wounded comrades in favor of the objective,to be competitive and be as uncaring as possible. Idle chatter is also kept to a minimum,with comms being checked after shift. Imperial army on the other hand(which they never show cause storm troopers are the most recognizable I guess) is normal people

@@sokratikas people in special forces are still normal people dude. Off shift they would be talking like a normal person. I know people that have been in spec ops groups like Anglico and you wouldn’t even be able to tell they were in the military unless they told you.

Actually it's not the chip doing. It's exactly how clones are. As we can see in season 1 episode 12 from The Bad Batch TV series the clones are fullyt able to recognize what's good and what's evil and they can defect from the Empire just like Howzer and his men did. But it was their own choice when those other clones willingly decided to stay with the Empire. Stop saying the clones are innocent, they're not droids and besides certain orders like order 66 they are fully responsible for what they are doing. They even destroyed their own home - Kamino - without the need of activating the chip.

⁠​⁠@@luke_crysure the effects of the chip were slowly wearing off as seen with Howzer and Cody. But at the same time it’s not like the clones could really go anywhere or speak up about certain orders without ending up like Howzer or any of the other clones that ended up at Tantis. Or getting killed off by those clone assassins as shown in season 1 with the clone trying to meet up with Chuchi. Now not saying all clones were innocent during the empire but at the same time with how the empire cracked down on disobedience early on into its life…eh, I’d just follow orders so I wouldn’t be on the chopping block basically.

@@adumbynamedconor5173 Honestly, I'm not at all convinced by the fan theory about "chips wearing off". This sounds like nonsense. Sidious would have to be stupid to order the Kaminoans to install chips in the clones' brains that would wear off after some time, especially since he had no certainty when the right time would come to issue Order 66. Moreover, in The Bad Batch TV series itself, when Hunter and Echo were talking in the corridor on Kamino about that the clones behave differently after activating the chips, Tech approached one of the clone soldiers to check it and based on his observations he clearly stated that "They seem the same to me". There is no reason to disbelieve the words of the most intelligent clone in the entire GAR who has always been based on hard data. Yes, clone troopers are not responsible for what they did under specific orders such as Order 66, but apart from these special orders, they had complete free will and the ability to choose their own actions. They knew what's good and what's evil which can be see after they destroed Kamino - their own home. Each clone is fully responsible for voluntarily remaining with the Empire and for any criminal acts they commit other than those under Sidious's special orders. It's high time to accept the reality and stop pretending that clones are flawless.

⁠@@luke_cryhe probably had plans to get rid of them soon what sounds better forcing them or people volunteering and bad batch takes place in 18 bby so that can’t be used

@@zaisfantasticdiscoverys7710 Actually he didn't get rid of clones within 6 months so your theory is wrong. Simple comparison of clone troopers with TK troopers shows you beyond a shadow of a doubt which army is more capable of dealing with all types of threats.

Hunter is a sergeant, Wrecker cant also be a sergeant if he's under him in the squad.

@@Killerbee4712 clone force 99 were all sargeants initially, then Echo joined, bein a Corporal, then Crosshair got promoted to commander

What? “Trooper” is a synonym of “soldier,” and that’s how it’s used all throughout the franchise. It’s not a rank, it’s an occupation.

@@Wasattsi yeah but they never call a superior trooper

@@moonwolfproductionsans5239 Who’s to say that unmarked trooper wasn’t also a sergeant?

Right! If they kept the clones, they could’ve won the war against the Rebel terrorists

@@ThespianPrince13 exactly! The civilian stormtroopers were corny!! And they couldn’t shoot straight lol!!!

@@kelvinbremont1341common misconception. In reality stormtroopers were just bellow clones in skill making the Imperial army more effective then the clone army.

They really didn’t tbh. Maybe the way they phased them out was immoral but haunting production in favor of human recruits was the best decision they could’ve made. They did not have enough clones to lock down the entire galaxy. After the clone wars the empire could no longer rely on local planetary militias like they did in the clone wars since the clone army was still too small to fight a handicapped droid army and have troops to occupy captured planets at the same time. With Stormtroopers that issue is solved. They had enough troops to occupy the entire galaxy while fighting a high intensity war with an enemy the size of the Separatists and they still had a lot of extra troops. The drop in quality is also not as large as some people make it out to be. The only flaw that was shared with the Republic was their militaries were destined for conventional warfare with another galactic faction, meaning they’d struggle against gorilla warfare and hit and run tactics. And even then the Rebellion struggled to gain any meaningful victory. Before Rebels contradicted it, the battle of scarif was the Rebellions very first major against the empire. Before that the empire was kicking their ass pretty hard. Most of their attacks failed, lots of their cells were being snuffed out, and their ships simply couldn’t compete with the imperial navy. It wasn’t until after Episode 5 the Rebellion could genuinely compete with an imperial fleet since they were able to build a pretty powerful navy.

​@@scoposteve8470 Yes, exactly Stormtroopers are not as strong as clones but their army is. Like in the real world.

that's because this is disney cannon, not the real cannon. during the return to kashyyk, vader's fist can be seen still decorated in their company markings of the 501st.

Fair, but I’m not sure it was because the writers were lazy, The clones have done their main job, and the emperor doesn’t need them anymore, so the empire is trying to phase them out as soon as they can. With the Jedi dead a major aspect of the clones command structure is gone and the clones are probably not in the best state after order 66, so this is the perfect time for the empire to come in and start making the clones less independent.

I mean, not every clone units had special markings. In fact, a lot of clone units didn't use unit markings and just had plain armor. For example, in Commander Grey's battalion every clone, with only a small handful of exceptions, had blank unmarked armor during the Clone Wars.

If they were fighting to end corruption they would have joined the CIS when the war started.

Damn, well said. I didn’t even know in Legends the clone troopers actually chose to follow Order 66 I mean they were designed to be obedient and yo have difficulty having independent thinking but still. In Canon we saw Rex fighting hard on the chips controlling his mind. I think Canon hits harder personall

This comes and gives a few reasons why I prefer the canonical version over the legends version, I was never a big fan of the legends version, even though I saw the battlefront 2 bell To me it didn't make much sense that you would make friends with the Jedi and then receive an order to execute the Jedi without even an explanation and why he was a traitor to the republic Without even an explanation, and there were some clones in the legends who said that the Jedis were not suitable for combat

@@Clone_TrooperX Not to mention Jedi have some extent of mind reading/emotional sensing powers. If mentally-stressed clone troopers are actively thinking about killing their Jedi Generals, no doubt there would be many Jedi who would sense the betrayal before it occurred (basically what Yoda did in RotS).

​@@panzerwafflez7228 No in legends this type of thinking was covered by the kaminoans that's why the Jedi could not sense what the Clones were thinking I like the Legends version much better than the Canon version

Canon makes more sense. The Jedi obviously wouldn't see them as droids, but like Yoda said, they may look the same but are all different in the Force. It's realistic that the clones would have individual personalities. Just like twins, they'd be looking the same and would have a lot in common, but still are different people. In RotS, we already saw hints of their personalities and that there was a good relationship between them and the Jedi just by what we saw from the interactions between Cody and Obi-Wan. Because of such risks, it would only make sense for people like the Kaminoans to put chips in their brains to make sure they stay obedient no matter what and execute specific orders like order 66 without hesitation, considering the Sith have made the clones and there would be no way that the Sith would just trust that this Army betrays the Jedi when told after years of fighting with them and serving the Republic together.

Well, I have a theory as to why that is. Over the course of both Legends and Canon I've noticed the attitude differences between commandos. There are simply two kinds of commandos, there's the squad based commandos (Delta Squad for example), and then there's the task force commandos (Omega Squad, Captain Gregor, Commander Voca, and newest addition being Hilo from Commander Wolffe's unit). Squad-based commandos are completely isolated from other clones because they are meant to only work in groups of four, so anyone outside their group is literally either a threat or an ally they don't answer to, in other words they don't care about anyone other than those in their little group of four or less if any are killed. This seems to be the same mindset the Imperial Commandos have on Mount Tantiss, I highly doubt any of those commandos were task force commandos. Task force commandos, including squads of four, are commandos who frequently work with other clones and allied forces closely in large joint task force operations, often taking them under their command, leading to them developing a completely different mindset than squad based commandos. That's why the large majority of them defected, while the squad based ones very rarely defected, if not at all. The only reason Commander Voca didn't defect is because they kept him in a task force role under Vader's direct command.

@@brendangamble1206 There also seems to be a distinct unexplained difference in some of them as well. We've all noticed Mount Tantis Commando's have grey stripes on them, but it's never explained what it is. It's entirely possible Scorch and those Commando's were turned into Black Op operatives where NO order goes questioned.

@@azazaz4627 ?

Actually it's not the chip doing. It's exactly how clones are. As we can see in season 1 episode 12 from The Bad Batch TV series the clones are fully able to recognize what's good and what's evil and they can defect from the Empire just like Howzer and his men did. But it was their own choice when those other clones willingly decided to stay with the Empire. Stop saying the clones are innocent, they're not droids and besides certain orders like order 66 they are fully responsible for what they are doing.

@@luke_cryfair enough I never looked at it from that point of view thank you for that would you say any of them are innocent like the ones who didn’t execute order 66

@@aaroncook6404 It's my pleasure. Well it's hard to say which clones are innocent because we don't have full knowledge about their all actions or missions but I think Cut Lawquene is a good example of a clone who's truly innocent and thinks logically. He willingly refused to fight for the corrupted Republic which wanted him to die on the battlefield. He has left the GAR and started his own family with Suu and her children, was living his peaceful life. What's interesting he left planet Salecumi not when Grievous and his separatist droid army came there but decided to flee with his family after the planet was taken by the Empire and clone troopers arrived there. Which means that it was not the Confederacy the biggest threat to him and his family but his own "brothers". But yeah, when you ask me Cut Lawquene and Slick are my favourite clone troopers.

Yeah cut is a good example where do you stand on captain Rex I know he’s my favourite and I would see him as a good one

@@aaroncook6404 You see I have problem with captain Rex because he seemed to blindly follow Republic protocol. It was especially visible on Salecumi during the dinner with Cut's family and on Umbara where it has unitnentionally led to killing his own troopers after blidndly following Krell's orders. Also Fives told him about the chips before his tragic death and Rex didn't do anything to learn something more about them or to at least try to prevent the evil that was to come. I know he's a fan-favourite for many people and I don't want to say it's wrong but it seems to me that many people don't realize about Rex's flaws. Also it was extremely brutal order he gave when he ordered his troopers to execute Maul during order 66 - Maul was not a Jedi in any way and he shouldn't be killed. Rex willingly gave this order to his troopers without Sidious influence when Maul was a Prisoner of War there and there was no reason to kill him. He was locked in his cell and wasn't able to do anything on his own. Rex had good intentions for sure but was too naive and believed too blindly in the corrupted Republic which didn't even cared about him and treated him (and other clones) like an object for sale and use which may be disposed of when the owner wants.

Seriously, I don't know why they never added it. Don't get me wrong, the TCW design for the phase 2 clones is really good, but the lack of black brow line on both the phase 1 and the phase 2 clones has always irritated me.

We never get an exact description of the inhibitor chips' functionalities (as far as I remember, anyways), just vague references to its purpose (to control the clones' aggression, a statement which I believe to be true, if not necessarily the whole truth). My theory is that they act (at least in part) by tapping into the brain's reward system, giving the clones natural happy chemicals when they follow orders and removing them when they fall out of line. Knowing the liability things like "morals" can be, Order 66 would switch these systems into overdrive. Suddenly, following orders like you've done your entire life feels better than ever. In a sense, they're addicted to being "good soldiers" and their drug just became a lot easier to come by. It explains why the clones became more rigid and cold afterwards, since the joy gained from minor things like armor decorations and personal names would suddenly be outweighed by the loss in "stay in line" joy. It also slots nicely, I think, into how clones resisting the effect appear. They get shaky and seem to go weak in the knees, struggling to focus. Like an addict going cold turkey. It may be a stretch, but it could also explain why Cut, and clone deserters like him, seemed unaffected by Order 66. Such an implant would build off of existing ideas of right and wrong gained through years of training. In the case of Cut, his sense of right and wrong was, relatively speaking for a clone, completely out of whack. Following orders became a secondary goal for him once he had something greater to protect: his family. Just my own thoughts on the matter. There's probably a comic somewhere that says the inhibitor chips are actually derived from an ancient Sith mind control technique or something, but I think my theory works well enough.

Jesus Christ…

The chips existed before Disney bought star wars?

Zillobeast clone gone rogue

Well blame Karin Traviss for that as she wouldn’t let anyone use her characters. Also no the clones really make sense with the attitude the Kaminoans have, way more clones disobeyed order 66 in legends than canon and they didn’t have the chips in that timeline

You do know that the clones weren't emotionless in Legends, right? Numerous books from the CWMMP era of Star Wars show regular clones with emotions and thoughts much like the ones seen in TCW.

Other people say it’s to make their turn from the inhibitor chip even more sad, knowing they were all lively and filled with personality only to be turned into husks

It was so we as fans could get more emotionally attached to the clones so when Order 66 happened it was more gut wrenching to see our beloved characters turn into stone cold soldiers and essentially become the bad guys. Plus it added another layer to the betrayal of the clones as instead of the clones knowing that one day they'll be allowed to kill their jedi general, they're forced to kill their general against their will without even knowing it after everything they went through together

oh shut up

How? Lmao.

Sit down lil' bro, you ain't getting anyone to agree with this one

@TheDilophoMos the finale didn't answer sht. Everything I wanted to get a answer to like how wolf defected, where Cody was, how the clones would rebel, who was the clone assasin, what was the horrible torcher they put cross hair though, they just ran passed all of it. Then they mislead the viewers thinking that tantis would have like thousands of clones, and it turns out they only had like 20. And half of them just bailed and didn't even fight!!! They made the whole show about omega when the fans wanted a show about how the clones dealt with the rise of the empire. Nobody gave 2 shts about omega becoming a jedi. And out of all the people to teach her why ventress. She was a vile, horrible person. So, instead of getting answers to questions we have had since the beginning of the clone wars instead we got stupid stories about omega. The ONLY enjoyable episodes of this show were the ones that focused on crosshair. Every other episode was just filler crap. Hell, they did an entire episode changing the battery in the marauder. They had a opertunity to tell so many awsome story's, showing battle droids ignoring the order and finding their place in the post war galaxy, clones organizing a large rebellion to save their people, what happened with popular clone characters like Cody, wolfe, dogma, greggor, kix, and so many more. This show is misled AND STUPID. And don't even get me started on the "tales of the empire" just a collection of trash no name characters nobody could give 2 shts about. Like we really needed to see some random night sister become a mayor. I was so excited for the bad batch finale, like counting the days till it came out. I stayed up so I could watch it as soon as it dropped. It was just a massive disappointment.

​@askjeevescosby2928 Yeah, your criticism is valid they could explore in further sessions more of finding out of state of the galaxy and finishing plots and added more character development instead of just bomb rushing it to end