Hold, hold, HOLD!!!!!

I love how "hold" got progressively larger, great edit! 🙂

"Sorry about that guys." "Don't worry about it, we appreciate you saving ours and our passengers' lives."

ATC took it off air and didn't spend 20 minutes berating the deviated pilot. This is professional.

Southwest pilots were very professional

Damn close! Controller sound like he had his coffee that morning!

ATC had no reason to apologize. Literally saved hundreds of lives.

And after that, I offer the ATC a nice cup of chamomile tea🍵. You sir averted a disaster.

As someone who works with Burbank ATC on a regular basis, I can say these controllers are some of the best I have worked with. Great job to this controller.

While ATC was clearly shaken (but staying focused and doing EVERYTHING right) because he realized he was nearly in a redo of the Haneda collision, I'm amazed by the professionalism of BOTH pilots: the SW guys going "no worries" while fully aware of what their next half hour will look like, and the AMF guys going "got it" upon receiving their "turn right, turn right, call tower" instruction. It is just a pleasure to see a perfect example of how a (serious) incident is dealt with.

Great situational awareness by ATC.

A good example of why it's so important to have properly staffed towers, too. Lots of collisions in the past involved controllers who had to move between posts and so weren't able to resolve situations that arise after they gave clearances.

And this is an ATC that's damn good at what he does. Hats off to you, sir

Props to ATC for even being able to speak normally after that. I woulda need a drink and a smoke break

It's really a grey area, as Amflight wasn't issued a LAHSO clearance prior to landing. They cleared SWA to takeoff on an intersecting runway before Amflight was assured off the runway. They could've missed the first exit and didn't want to stop on an active runway, so they decided to keep it rolling. Not trying to defend anyone. But this is where the Swiss cheese holes lined up.

Great job by the Southwest pilots being aware of their surroundings. Reading between the lines, it looks like they were well aware that another aircraft was near the intersection (it would have been right in their line of sight as they looked down their own runway), and were paying attention to see if it turned short of the intersection or crossed into their runway. It looks to me like they were already rejecting takeoff by the point where the controller started calling "hold, hold, HOLD", several seconds before the controller actually cancelled their takeoff clearance. They just had the sense to stay quiet about it for a moment to avoid stepping on the controller while he was trying to sort out the other plane.

I think the controller aged one or two years in this moment. Brown pants situation, but mastered in the best way possible, good work!

I appreciate ATC that can pay attention as much as he did...he said he saw the plane turning for C6. So he at least visually observed expected separation

It's clearly ATC error if you look at the books. 7110.65 3-9-8 b. says to "separate departing aircraft from another aircraft using an intersecting runway" by a couple of criteria, the closest of which is for the other aircraft to have "completed the landing roll and is observed turning at an exit point prior to the intersection". If the animation from the video is accurate, ATC gave takeoff clearance before the AMF started turning. Moreover, you can't suddenly turn a taxi instruction into a LAHSO.

Everyone makes mistakes. Great job by the ATC and the pilots, handled the mistake professionally.

Well, the take off clearance was given before he freed the runway where it landed. Maybe it was too early. Could have been a brake problem for example and then intention of exiting at C6 was no longer possible.

Amflight was cleared to land. That means the entire runway belongs to them. The tower did not issue a land and hold short clearance. Even if the tower tells the aircraft to exit at a particular taxiway, it is pilots discretion based upon his judgement if it can be executed safely.

Couple of questions about this one. Was 1943 unable to decelerate enough for the assigned exit? Is that why turning at 16knt is mentioned? Also, until they're clear of the runway, isn't the full length their's, so the other plane shouldn't have been cleared? I'm not sure 1943 is the fault here if that's all the case. This feels more like a controller trying to save 5-10 seconds, rather than ensuring the crossing runway is clear?

The power of knowing your airport diagram. Also, the power of understanding your aircraft performance. If you can't make it to the next exit taxiway, then don't repeat the instructions. Ask for alternatives. Communicate effectively. Great job from ATC.

We all make mistakes, but this one could have killed people. Great job on the ATC for keeping track of things when the AMF pilot didn't.

The professionalism of these pilots amazes me everytime! Great job 👏🏻

II bet he was watching that guy like a hawk though, waiting for him to do exactly that.

Props to the SWA pilots for great situational awareness as well!

For those of you that are pilots that know, I am assuming cooldown is for what? the engines that just spooled up and had to be dropped down quick? Was the checklist to check on the engines? Or was it to make sure if they had to line up and start the takeoff from the start again due to runway length?

So many close calls are becoming more and more frequent. It seems inevitable that another catastrophe is around the corner.

No need to apologize ATC. You probably saved lives.

Touch call on whose at fault. Contributing factor is definitely the runway configuration in use, take off an landing runways are far from the intersection maximizing runway occupancy time. Hopefully everyone walks away having learned a valuable lesson.

Tower was choreographing such a beautiful, tightly controlled dance, then this guy… 🙄🙄

Just a minute, just a minute Blanche, are you trying to tell me, that I should hold?

Was the metro issued and "LAHSO"? The pilot will exit when he can safely do so.. although he accepted C6- the instructuon was given to him during rollout, not the best time to issue the instruction, rhe pilot accepted it before being able to analyze where C6 was. Not placing the blame on anyone, but there were a lot of mitigating factors here..

I turn now, good luck everybody else!

Great job by the tower controller.

That is astute situational awareness and diligence in my book. Good work, ATC. I understand that he will observe some critical entry/exit on the runway, but if the graphics was correct and the plane began their turn, it's so easy to look down and turn to next order of business.

A few things to add to this discussion, looking at the chart for BUR, runway 8 does not have a land and hold short designation on the chart like runway 15 does , maybe a chart update is necessary. There may have been confusion on the controller's instructions to the amfam pilot. There was a heavy accent on the amflight pilots readback of instructions. The amflight pilot should have communicated when he could not make C-6 intersection to taxiway C. The southwest pilots had a great situational awareness of what was happening on the field and the atc controller for preventing a crash from occuring on the airfield.

I make turn now! Good luck everyone else!

Extent job ATC awesome head up

1943 pilot thought he was Ricky Bobby tryin to take that turn at 16 kts!!! 🤣

Hey brother, great show is always man. It's getting bad out there. Very dangerous. Close calls too almost every day.

The way it should be. Something’s gone wrong, let’s figure it out. Miscommunication happens. If you recognize miscommunication before disaster, you’ve won. If you can identify the problem in a calm way, everyone wins.

Great job, ATC and SW!

Its not within the accepted procedures to give a taxi clearance to an aircraft when they’re still slowing down on the runway. They should have given the instructions as to where to vacate with the landing clearance or on first contact with the tower. This is even more critical when you’re using intersecting runways for arrivals and departures.

Good to know the ATC is sharp and in control at my preferred airport ^_^

I know a pilot who, until a few months ago, was basically a safety officer for Ameriflight’s ESCS charter and flew Metros out of Burbank (he was a semi-regular customer at HWD). This pilot is lucky that he moved on to American, or his ass would be ripped open so wide you could use it for a hangar.

Top notch controller and classic great SW crew. Mistakes happen, its the people like the controller and SW crew who correct them to avoid catastrophe. BravoBravo.

Should he give take off clearance when there is still a plane on the runway? I thought the plane cleared to land has the right to use every single inch of runway the captain feels he needs.

Respect to southwest pilots🤝

A flight 1943 had the runway he was not given a land and hold short rwy 15 clearance he was unable to safely stop and turn off on C6 he should of been a little quicker and told ATCT that he was unable to make C6. Southwest should not have been cleared for take off.

I wonder what the SW pilot would tell the pax - would ‘an aircraft entered the runway as we were taking off’ scare the shit out of the passengers? Would he say something vague and ambiguous instead?

No notice let's do it.

So what happen was plane landed and was supposed to park but instead kept driving straight ahead onto the runway of a plane that was starting to take off. As he noticed the plane didn’t park he started telling him to stop. And eventually told the other plane to cancel takeoff, and asked him if he needs a cooldown after braking and stopping his takeoff.

I used to live in Burbank 20 years ago and the civilians hated AMF because they were check runners allowed to break curfew rules. They were also the least experienced pilot too. It looked like that was the factor here. I would be curious to see how many flight hours the AMF flight pilot had under his belt!

Southwest pilots knew well what had occurred (via. radio transmissions on the same channel and certainly wasn't the ATC's fault) and were extremely 'chill' letting the tower handle the discipline matters to come 😏.

The landing aircraft was not issued a land and hold short clearance. The controller here issued a take off clearance to SouthWest while an aircraft was landing unrestricted on an intersecting runway. I think there’s plenty of fault here with the controller.

oh seeing what happened visually makes it make more sense ... there should be stop bars in front of him/ so he should not have even tried to cross without permission.

I really appreciate the controller’s “Im sorry guys”, even being arguably not in fault. Luckily it didn’t get as close as how dramatically it sounded.

Thanks!

I go into Burbank regularly and do not like going there. Controllers do a great job but tight airport, heavy traffic with lots of varied types and it's always a hot mess....

It's all well and good talking fast when it's busy but when you cancel a take off clearance due to traffic on the runway, slow the **** down and be clear and concise!

I was ATC there back in the early 80s and the airport has a very odd gate and taxiway layout where this occurred.

I hope that controller got at least a month paid leave after that. He's probably gonna have nightmares for life.

Is it normal to give a takeoff clearance before traffic has departed the intersecting runway?

"can i exit at charlie?" he asks as he rolls past charlie

Probably should be giving LAHSO clearances for landing if they intend on departing on an intersecting runway before a landing flight has cleared the runway

I suspect the controller might get a tap on the shoulder for this not the Ameriflight pilot.

A true master of his craft! Whatever this man’s salary double it he’s earned it!

Good thing they have clean underwear dispensers at those ATC locations!

"I have a tower for you to call"... Phew, that could have been a horrific accident, glad to hear it was caught in time

I cannot stand these fast talking controllers. That style is of no use in a busy ATC environment.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think this was an ATC error. The controller issued a “landing clearance,” not a “Land And Hold Short clearance” for the crossing runway. How was the AmFlight pilot to know there would be a 737 rolling down the crossing runway? That’s an easy one to miss on the radio when you’re in the middle of an approach. Any thoughts? Maybe I’m wrong here…

I'm flying out of Burbank on SWA in a few days. Just what I needed to see. SMH (I'm not faulting anyone here but the AMF1943 pilot)

Controller violated 7110.65W 3-9-8 b. 2. “2. A preceding arriving aircraft is clear of the landing runway, completed the landing roll and will hold short of the intersection, or has passed the intersection. (See FIG 3-9-6).” AIM attempts to define landing roll… “The landing process should never be considered complete until the airplane decelerates to the normal taxi speed during the landing roll or has been brought to a complete stop when clear of the landing area.” Normal taxi speed was not obtained by AMF, as is obvious if he was doing 16 kt. when the turn at Charlie 6 was attempted. And the clearance to the departing AC was given before that happened. The controller was assuming it was going to be OK, and was on his toes about noticing and calling it. And with C6 so close to the runway intersection, this is a problem waiting to happen at KBUR. They need to improve their local training and procedures for controllers a bit if they keep wanting to cram all these aircraft into a small time and space.

I like Burbank .. last time I was there it was a nice change from LAX. You won’t be 17th in line at BUR.

This reminds me of Delta 1943 near miss incident

I just noticed that the runway aerial view is NOT oriented with North being up. Runway 15, with the Southwest jet on it, is aligned with about 060. Am I missing something here?

Controller did do a great job .. but it sounded like he was overworked.

As in many cases there is no one cause here. Air safety is all about multiple layers of protection. The incident report will likely state cause of the incident was … contributing factors were … etc. 1. Pilot should not have accepted taxiway C6 until he was sure he was able to comply. When he was unable he should have notified the controller immediately and stopped. 2. The controller should not have issued a cleared for takeoff until he is 100% sure the runway was clear, that is aircraft on intersecting runway had cleared the runway or stopped the rollout holding short. 3. If you use multiple intersecting runways at the same time you need to have very robust procedures in place and enough staff to deal with it. 4. The controller is trying to do too much in too little time. Phraseology is suffering, readability is suffering. Accidents will happen. The controller should have slowed things down in this case. You have pilots with different experience and English as a second language. The system needs to accommodate everybody safely. In this particular case SW would have waited less than one minute longer. Instead the high pace resulted in a near miss that could have cost 100s of lives, a waiting time of 20+ min and a bunch of scared passengers. Very unnecessary in my opinion. Safety first!

okay i am on the Amflight pilots side here: if Amflight is cleared to land, this should mean that he has the runway to himself and if he cannot make the turn onto C6 for whatever reason, then it may be like that. But he is definitely not the problem here if he doesn't make the exit. Maybe I see something wrong, correct me If I do, but Southwest should've never been cleared for takeoff as long as Amflight is not off his runway.

I think after that, everyone here is holding. Nice one ATC

Could’ve been closer. Swa barely moved and got off the first exit

Wouldn't be a good idea to clear Southwest for take off once the turn off was assured and exicuted? If he had steering or brake issues then no choice. Nit picking the situation but good to hear a controller with his eyes open

What a duncecap!!! Any weekend -flying PPL holder knows better than to cross or enter any runway without express permission!!!

Tower, Amflight 1943, can I do a thing I'm already doing?

LAHSO clearances at Burbank can only be issued when landing on runway 15 right? Wasn’t an option for the Metroliner?

I did not understand what AMF1943 tried to do? You cannot exit on C at runway 8

What happened to the traffic landing 15 that was 2.5 miles out? Never heard from them again.

I love Southwest Pilots

In, through, and beyond!

Holy crap, that was close.

OK so it appears that AMF1943 was going to fast to make C4. No big deal but certainly slow enough to stop short of the intersecting runway. With proper situational awareness the pilots of AMF 1943 should have stopped short of the intersection runway. What we don't know is if AMF1943 received a land and hold short instructions. If they did not receive and accept a land and hold short clearance than AMF1943 did nothing wrong accept loss situational awareness of what is happening on the airport surface. In which case the tower would be at fault for clearing SW on departure without ensuring that AMF was completely under control and clear of conflict.

Great job by ATC. You need a cool down? I need a cool down to check there’s no brown in my pants.

What actually happens when you get a pilot deviation? Is it a fine, points on your licence, a long Paddington stare or what?

Looked to me as if the clown flying the Metro either decided he was just gonna go where he felt like it or was absolutely lost and confused. Either case … needs to find a new career …. And a new catch phrase to go with that : “ Would you like fries with that ?”

Non Pilot here just my 2 cents -> A non native English Speaker Pilot and this in Maschine Gun Fire Speed speaking Burbank ATC is also a desaster waiting to happen. The ATC should get some lessons from the ATCs in Europe maybe Amsterdam ;)

What happened to the landing embraer? Didnt see a go around command

These intersecting runways were not made for the traffic flow of today. Plane lands on the runway and he is wrong for using it because a plane is going to have to go around if Southwest does not take off the AM pilot asked if he could go to C. This is faulty airport design having runways intersect. High speed talk and the AM pilot not knowing a plane was taking off on the other runway maybe if ATC had the time to say you have to exit at C6 a plane is taking off on the other runway. I see this to much to do and having a plane land on a runway when another is ready to take off. BS system.