Terrence Deacon on the Noosphere | Closer to Truth Chats

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7 ай бұрын

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Neuroanthropologist and co-chair of the N2 Conference Terrence Deacon discusses the noosphere, biological evolution, and the upcoming N2 conference hosted by scientific multimedia non-profit organization Human Energy to commemorate the 100th Anniversary of the Discovery of the Noosphere.
100 years ago, Philosopher Pierre Teilhard de Chardin introduced the concept of a planetary mind called the Noosphere. Society has rapidly changed via technological progress and scientific breakthroughs, what is the current relevance of the noosphere? How does the noosphere intersect with biological evolution? And with a more fragmented landscape, could there be a new "sphere" on the horizon?
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@Northwind82 7 ай бұрын

When I saw the mini thumbnail I thought he was interviewing bubbles from trailer park boys

@FrancisGo. 7 ай бұрын

The perennial classic of Canada? 😂

@fancee_shmancee 7 ай бұрын

Julian and Bubbs, 30 years from now

@MaxGravitas 7 ай бұрын

Welcome to the Nerdsphere!

@user-uo3vn7tv4b 7 ай бұрын

Great conversation! I’m onboard with all of it. Evolution is now in our own hands and we are certainly capable of moving toward the good future we all want. Thank you.

@longcastle4863 7 ай бұрын

The good future “some” want. Others think, why bother, since the main point of it all is to go to heaven.

@HakuYuki001 2 ай бұрын

Your comment is a great example of the extremes of anthropocentrism and humanism.

@RichardCosci 2 ай бұрын

@@HakuYuki001 Maybe that’s why this current age has been called the Anthropocene. Our species has become so dominant that our actions, wise and not wise, are determining the future of our planet. Our biosphere, culture, politics and religions are obviously all affected by what we do today & in the near future. What’s wrong with humanism?

@Resmith18SR 7 ай бұрын

I really like the concept of the Noosphere. Teillhard de Chardin popularized the idea and the theory that Evolution is guided by increasing complexity and teleology which consists of the Geosphere, leading to the Biosphere, leading to the Noosphere.

@sven888 7 ай бұрын

I agree. Teillhard de Chardin indeed had a good understanding.

@collieclone 7 ай бұрын

IMHO Teilhard de Chardin in the _Phenomenon of Man_ intended the noösphere to be the driver of the last stage of evolution, culminating in the Omega Point. Daniel C. Dennett's _Singularity_ perhaps?

@longcastle4863 7 ай бұрын

Interesting interview, I love these CTT Chats because they allow for the discussion to be much more detailed.

@cmvamerica9011 7 ай бұрын

The universal mind; all information is contained in the universe; we only receive the information with our mind.

@raginald7mars408 7 ай бұрын

.. as a German Biologist - In first Semester Biology We had to study Radiolaria The Art drawings of Haeckel Mind Boggling My impression led me to Concept Theory Like a Crystal Field Places Ions on the EXACT place The Concept Field Arranges particles to the position for interaction and interference This is the SPEED of All Evolution High Speed Evolution The concept Field is integral part of the Space structure Ordering fields and particles The Intelligence is integral in Space strucure We at best Resonate with those fields Ignorant Arrogants destroy The Nature of Evil and WAR

@davidaustin6962 7 ай бұрын

Noosphere sounds to me like Rupert Sheldrake's morphic resonance, without the nuttiness. At some point could the noosphere have the effect of energy fields that can on its own have a sort of converging stickiness? Deacons doesn't go here, probably because in part that everyone has seen the unmitigated condemnation of anyone willing to merely propose that question. But when we discuss emergence, I dont see how one could ignore that possibility.

@missh1774 7 ай бұрын

I don't think Robert is impressed 😊 wow. Thank you!

@Margaret-of8sm 7 ай бұрын

@chargersina 7 ай бұрын

So simply put a n00sphere is referring to collective consciousness.

@timadamson3378 6 ай бұрын

If you understood anything of deacons view of language and of causality, you wouldn't ask him if the noosphere was substantive. His whole point is that substances are the only part of the story.

@punkypinko2965 6 ай бұрын

Moosphere? The collective mooing of all the cows in the world. If they all mooed at once, I can't even predict what would happen.

@sven888 7 ай бұрын

What if the νοῦς (noûs) is self?

@fortynine3225 7 ай бұрын

So first he tells us materialists and spiritualists so to speak come together and learn from each other. And than he states that those spiritualists views are dangerous which is rather rich. I say this materialist psychologist next to a eastern guru just days ago on KZfaq and all they did was go against each other. Those are like dogs and cats that is just how it is..

@keithmetcalf5548 7 ай бұрын

RLK!!!

@stoneysdead689 7 ай бұрын

I'm not sure I follow tbh- yes, we have pooled our knowledge together into one large repository that we can all access now- but how is that creating a collective consciousness? That seems to be what he's suggesting- that somehow all the data on the internet and in books and so forth will self-assemble and start having goals or something- wtf?? I don't get it.

@todrichards1105 7 ай бұрын

Does a single neuron “get” the mind? Of course not. Just keep firing, and let the mind do its thing.

@stoneysdead689 7 ай бұрын

@@todrichards1105 LOL- So you don't get it either huh? Cute little metaphor you thought up though- even if it doesn't really mean anything.

@todrichards1105 7 ай бұрын

@@stoneysdead689 you seem to understand my metaphor. It’s what the noosphere is all about. Understanding WHAT it is is very simple. Understanding HOW a collective mind will emerge is the hard part. And that’s where my analogy comes in. Hope this helps

@umzaum 7 ай бұрын

As the Prophet Muhammad said, this physical world is only a garden for growing seedlings for another world.

@sven888 7 ай бұрын

There's nothing new under the Son. Or was it Sun? Who knows; maybe it is (the) Self.

@lucianmaximus4741 7 ай бұрын

Kudos from 444 Gematria!

@longcastle4863 7 ай бұрын

Hopefully Humanism will play a strong role in such a noosphere.

@PetraKann 7 ай бұрын

A lot More Sharing of information in the US? 😂

@pseudoname3159 7 ай бұрын

Via the internet, yes. Assuming you live in the US, think back to before the 90-2000s. There might be too much sharing of information, in the name of "Free Speech" infact.

@thomasridley8675 7 ай бұрын

From my hour of looking at the concept. The Noosphere seems to be a new age concept promising a great new future of purpose for mankind. Hmmm ! An interesting, but totally unrealistic idea considering he is taking about this humanity. Where we have to make world ending weapons to protect ourselves other tribes that just as aggressive as we are. And where tribilistic religious and cultural biases still rein supreme.

@michaelmckinney7240 7 ай бұрын

The noosphere is anything but a new age concept. It is a pivotal stage in the evolutionary development of mankind and was as inevitable as the emergence of science or powered flight. It is a direct adjunct of the human brains expanded size and growing capacity to interact with and alter its surrounding environment. The noosphere represents an extension of thought by artificial means whereby knowledge and information is socialized and preserved for future reference. It forgets nothing and its growing body of knowledge and information is cumulative. I guarantee that every scientists or medical professional consults the internet when confronted with a question or problem that seems unsolvable. All of us whether we know it or not are presently immersed in the noosphere. This computer, my television, my phone and all digitized and non-digitized forms of human communication are parts of the noosphere but it's their linked connectivity that ultimately gives the noosphere its power. The noosphere is changing the world and its influence is expanding rapidly.

@simonhibbs887 7 ай бұрын

@@michaelmckinney7240 It's easy for someone to look at this and imagine that some sort of new age spiritualist nonsense, but I agree with you it's entirely rationally grounded. Undirected evolution leads to the development of directed, intentional and goal drive intelligence. We have a thorough and actionable account of that process and we understand it very well. Then that goal driven intelligence takes control of physical and informational development, directing it towards long term goals. It sounds teleological, but there is a distinction between intrinsic and extrinsic teleology. Intrinsic teleology is the one we're used to, the idea that natural processes have goals intrinsic to them and without any external guidance. The noosphere is about the rise and dominance of extrinsic teleology, which is activity directed by an intelligence that directly manipulates causal forces towards it's objectives.