Do unions have CEOs?

@@MaximilienDantonno

Ford when he first started actually invited in and worked with the unions. That’s honestly the only example I can think of.

What do unions do and why is it so not very desired by Elon ? Thanks

@@JusZardthey deny employers the ability to exploit workers.

the income effect suggest that people dont ever feel they are paid enough.

Everyone I know that works in the trades always wants to work union because they pay the best and have good benefits.

@@dankz7061 Because companies pay donations and have lobby groups. Why? To influence public policy. Get rid of political donations (legalised briary) and lobby groups and the, and only then, would your statement be true. Because when you break it all down, companies and lobby groups are just another gang of people out to maximise outcomes for themselves. So why shouldn't workers have their gangs too?

Whether you are a slave, or a worker, or a bourgeois/business owner, or an aristocratic landlord, you will never felt satisfied. "Enough" is never enough. If you think you generated much more value than you get back, you will find it easy to get a better offer elsewhere. Multi billion dollar corporations are actually the ones that are most receptive toward unionization and regulation, since they can stifle their competition by dramatically increase the cost of doing business for newcomers. Thus maintaining their position in the industry. In such highly regulated and unionized environment, both the workers and the business owners can enjoy relative stability, at the cost of innovation and customer satisfaction. That is till competitors from abroad, which operated in much more _laissez faire_ environment hit you hard with their cheaper and more innovative products.

@@barrytelesford5265 It doesn't really though. It suggests their demand will increase for quality goods while decreasing for inferior goods. Elasticity of demand still applies, as does substitutional goods. Just because I have 3x as much money as my friends, doesn't mean I wear 3x as many clothes. Maybe just slightly more expensive ones, but there's still a point of decreasing demand, and arguably my clothes are a lot better made and so last significantly longer. One doesn't become a pillock just because one's fortunes change. Most wealthy people have significant wealth tied up in illiquid assets, money they really (obviously) don't need.

I think Musk would agree with this, he was referring to corrupt unions but a good union is not inconceivable.

Yes

Afaik Problem in US is that unions become monopolies. There is one union per enterprise. In Poland there is still choice of unions. Many times they just combine their efforts if necessary, but it is good to have competition.

Unions are always good.

​@@radicalaimElon Musk don't know what union is. The lord and peasant is the most stupied I ever heard and I have heard Donald Trump in video interviews.

yeah his argument is pretty much complete nonsense

Its true though ​@@Shajirr_

You could also say that's what life was like before toothpaste, and you still technically wouldn't be wrong.

​@@jesuschrist6878 toothpaste freed us from peasantry

Technology, not unions have made life better for all.

Tesla helped me retire comfortably, at 22

Then the company you worked for was trash for not providing that without one. The difference here is Tesla provides great benefits to all their employees, including top healthcare coverage and stock options for part ownership in the company. The more successful the company, the more the employee makes. When a company structures itself properly all a Union is going to do is disrupt things, create division and promote bad work ethics.

Exactly, it's just about fairness.

Hard work will also achieve this goal.

@@Tiigerr You're expecting companies to structure themselves to benefit employees out of the good of their own hearts? Companies work for their shareholders' interests, not their employees. Your example with Tesla is moot since they don't provide healthcare to all of their employees and have a history of breaking labor laws to silence people who work for them. That's not even getting into the international troubles with countries like Sweden. Put down your Elon pom-poms and learn the benefits of organized labor.

You nailed it

I have no idea how Americans got talked out of strong unions. It's why our society has completely eroded. But it's our life now, work hard and set yourself up right or die in the street without healthcare. I'm fortunate that I'm a software engineer who is good with money, but many others are not so fortunate.

America is overrated. The most commonly cited reason for bankruptcy is medical debt. The leading cause of death amongst minors are guns. Conservatives here don't even want school lunches to be free for kids. They are willing to let impoverished children go hungry.

@@ssiko52 Most Americans don't even know what a union is. They really have no idea what unions are, or how they work. All they are told is that greedy union bosses come in and take part of their pay. That's all they are told.

*it's a great way for the lazy and people who don't want to work hard to keep their jobs until they want to quit. It's like Congress!

You didnt watch the whole video lol

What is more LOL? Me thinks it is the 42 likes. Go team!

Unions killing business? no way...

Outside of sports (which is held up by gambling anyway), name one industry that unions haven't completely f**ked.

dont be an npc...the title is put there by nbc--they are low iq'ers plus they have an agenda. dont be duped.

Lol you are old. Don't you watch any podcast channels? That is what everyone does with long interviews.

Literally this is what KZfaq wants. The algorithm promotes smaller clips.

PLEASE don't display your hypocrisy in such a blatant manner, as so many Far Right KZfaq posters do. If you truly believed CNBC wasn't credible and valuable, you would be spending your time elsewhere.

@@desedia2718 It actually doesn't. Many channels grew on hour+ content. Easy to grow when you have the most talked about person on.

found the delusional tool made on an assembly line. "far right" ukraine flag, you people have no real opinions of your own its disgusting lol @@jlvandat69

Unfortunately We don't live in an Ideal world. Companies are greedier than ever. Unions are the only way to get a honest days pay, for a honest days work.

​@@user-hu6wq6kp6uUnions are also a way to over pay the low skill workers and help drive up costs.

No. If the company offers a good rate of pay and benefits, people will want to work there. Too many unions think they deserve the same as the risk takers when they don't risk a thing. They should trade a good day's work for a fair wage. If it's not a fair wage, don't work there. The company will need to up their game to the point that they attract people/workers.

You forgot Pension, and the most important. A safe workplace, because that is the Law. Problem is too many companies and even Unionized companies, because of the CEO’s only take care of the shareholders and put the workers in danger. Non union crap jobs usually take advantage of immigrants, or temp workers. Temp workers get the most unsafe jobs because they are too scared to be sent home. Do not know the law. I live it and work it and see the abuse. If big business did’t cheat the workers, you wouldn't need Unions. But over 130 years later, they still cant figure it out. So the Need for Unions will always be. Plus all the union dues are tax deductible. another bonus. Unions earn their money. These are the FACTS. NO DISPUTE!!!!@@TeutonicNordwind

@@TeutonicNordwindMany workers can’t pick and choose. I live in Australia where we have universal healthcare, universal compulsory superannuation, 5 weeks annual paid holidays and many other benefits. These conditions were achieved by unions and the Australian Labor Party. Also we have the highest minimum wage in the world. Musk is a fair weather boss!

Interesting. I have a similar outlook on the overall effect of the UPS union but also saw many flaws. It felt like I worked twice as hard as old timers but at half the rate. Loyalty should be valued but why should someone work twice as hard and get paid half the rate? Seems anti-competitive. Maybe this was just my experience local to my area. Curious to hear your thoughts. Respectfully.

I've tried by tooth and nail to get a job at a UPS Warehouse, and just as soon as I did, Amazon unionized it's logistics department and I was laid off. I will never work for a union that only shows me the door after 6 months. I get that the newest employees are expendable, but why should I try risking it all again just to for the same bs to happen? I hate unions. And I have no respect for the union leaders. And that certainly won't change.

@@IVIonsterrrrHDPro yep that’s the difference between the skilled trades unions and others. Seniority. It really sucks from what I’ve seen

Yeah and that new contract is bankrupting UPS as their share price has plummeted. I worked as a supervisor at UPS for 3 years and let me tell you, that union is the ONLY reason a LOT of those bum mfs even have a job still.

That is the point of unions: to benefit their members and attract new ones. Anybody else is second to that goal.

I would have to say that Elon is way more celebrated and simp'd on by red pills.

@@andremessado7659 I understand where you are coming from. I have a feeling he is more popular with conservatives. Not your old school hardened ones who were cynical about all forms of authority though. New age conservatives who tend to be ridiculously obsequious about wealth and power. Their reasoning mostly tends towards 'if you are right/successful/happy where is your wealth?' They seem like blue pills under the delusion they cracked the Matrix and see through it all 😄.

Maybe you should stop seeing people as purely "pills" and expand your mind.

Same here

Do you believe in freedom of choice? Or is that too old fashioned/

@@AlternativPerspectiv if an immigrant crosses the border, should they be free to do WHATEVER or should they abide by host nation's rules? Sweden chose unions. You as a foreigner don't get to come in and throw a hissy fit.

So you chose the mafia model.. ok... @@babufits1584

​@@babufits1584also applies to people

Tesla is an exception to many old ways - Tesla is literally disruptive, and I, for one, am hugely grateful. Their cars are incredible.

Funny that's where they chose to cut it. Can't have people thinking that the big evil capitalist actually cares to reward the early employees who worked hard.

😂

It’s true

​@@jerry19484nope

I know one. 😂I'm jealous.

Companies tend to be against unions because they slowly burn profits ultimately slowly burning down entire industries . Why are so many coal mining towns , ghost towns now

Why, it’s his ducking company. Why do people sign contracts then whine? Stay unemployed then. And if it’s so easy to start your own business.

@@Pezzerd because people deserve dignity? Just throwing it out there that your fellow man is a person who deserves to live and be treated well

@@Pezzerd Idk, I just thought that was a general understanding we all operate on, that people deserve to bo treated decently. Food for thought

"Without a union, essentially a form of government a work force has no ability to redress labor issues." Yes they do. They're free to quit and work for a competitor.

that isn't a union thing.

@@juanvasquez6535 Unions create a them and us situation which was the point of Musks comment.

​@@polarxta2833they don't though it's better for the company and the employee skilled labor for a fair rate

@@yesac101 Except what then happened is the companies moved overseas for cheaper labour. Australia no longer manufacture's any cars because of unions.

@@polarxta2833 No, CEOs created a them vs. us situation. CEOs have been exploiting employees at most companies for centuries. Elon says that there's no hierarchy in Tesla, but he's lying. Elon hasn't worked the line. He's never depended on a line job to provide food for his family. All Elon cares about is his own profit margin and he'll happily step on his workers in order to get it - just like every other CEO. As long as that's the case, unions will be needed.

yeah... I dunno how this is shocking to anyone. The only thing shocking here is how many corporate peen gobblers there are in the comments.

What a shortsighted and poor listener you seem to be. You missed SO MUCH of what he spoke to there, and simplified it to something you could rail against....

Why would a business owner like a group that is meant to hold them hostage

The employees could buy stake in the company if they want. The people who get the stake by default are the people who put their money at risk to fund the starting of the company.

When you have a union you have a negotiated contract. Without a contract the company can abuse the workers.

@@tonygrowley5275 if the workers are being abused they should leave...

@@YHDiamond Yeah... as if. Did you ever work a job you didn't like, but it paid the bills to support your family? Most people have. That's why they form unions, so they can use their collective power to level the scales.

@@tonygrowley5275 I'm not saying you shouldn't take a job you don't like, I'm saying you shouldn't take an abusive job, or if you're at one you should leave.

Or got out of a job cause the company went belly up. In America, that is the case a lot of times. The unions can make it so hard to remove useless employees that the company suffers as a whole in the long run, and then everyone's out looking for new work.

it's not enough tho, why can't we use the state?

​@@tiramisuvodka8353commie scum

@@tiramisuvodka8353 Because it doesn't work anyways and because it is megacringe to give the state more power in any shape or form. Free markets with organised employers and organised employees is the way.

But if it's a free market, shouldn't the company be able to fire people if they form a union? It's taking the company hostage in some ways.

​@@programmer1840they can they just don't sign paperwork and fire everyone nothing stopping them from that other than it cost more money to find and hire new people than to keep and pay their current employees.

Says the guy who bought Twitter so he could personally decide who to ban

Says the guy who forced his assistant to go on vacation so he could prove he doesn't need her and fired her when she got back.

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@@TBonertonpretty based tbh.

Union jobs also protect the shiftless and lazy, as in theory it makes it hard for a company to sack those not pulling their weight. But then again, Unions themselves are useless. I'm not a member of a Union, but I was able to have a rep with me during a dispute 10 years ago. It was a sobering experience on how useless unions are - needless to say I resigned from the company and haven't looked back.

@@bobpage6597exactly. I work with union and they can’t do anything about bad employees, beside doing something illegal, no one gets fired. It’s easier to leave the department or the job itself to get away from that employee than to get rid of that bad employee, even with multiple complaints.

@@bobpage6597 and non-union jobs often promote the shiftless and lazy to middle manager positions. there are pros and cons with both but the truth is that it really depends on how well a company is run and whether the pay and benefits make the job worth doing. I've found that union or not, most jobs are not worth doing and that's why I became my own boss. Now, all the problems are on me and i either solve them or don't.

Not true you voted the wrong people into your union power structure

@@user-ux4gj1mq4c that has much more to do with government than unions. if UPS wants to switch logistics software, it doesn't require several years negotiations with teamsters to implement the changes. on the other hand, i was once involved in the decision making process for historic building repairs at a national park. no unions involved in the process at all until the decision would be made to go ahead with repairs, and yet that decision took laughably long to make because of government bureaucracy.

Yeah it was because of thr unions, not because we where one of the only countries on earth that walked out of ww2 unscathed. Yeah it was the unions, not our 10-15 yr monopoly on all things production. And im sure the middle class is suffering because we dont have enough unions, not because companies have outsourced all production to foreign countries.

@@richardrussel4567 Those aren't exclusive. If you're seriously going to try to argue against unions then you're a brainwashed pawn for the ultra rich. Every study shows better pay, benefits, job security, pensions, and health insurance across the board for union jobs over non-union of the same position. Don't be ridiculous.

@@richardrussel4567lack of unions is not the only reason of course, but still one of them.

Too many are never taught this stuff.

@@richardrussel4567 Agree! The A.W.U. is going to push Ford and G.M. to open more manufacturing in Mexico. And you can bet the car manufacturers will replace these employees with A.I. and Robots just soon as they can. They can writeoff the cost of Robots that never sleep and never complain. Like Elon has said before the development of A.I. for self driving cars can be used in many other area's and that includes manfacturing.

Totally false. Companies pay whatever is required by the company, you dont have a right to a job. Unions are mafia dens that result in harassment of companies, pitching employees against the bosses and basically making sure that major components are all built outside of the host nations.

Overpaying someone creates laziness and contempt . If you are worth a price go prove it and get paid . Complaining collectively is not value . It’s a complaint . Solves nothing . Paying them more doesn’t make then more skillful. Does it

“People can be lazy and efficient”, yeah sure, if you believe what the companies tell you to think.

@@joshuasmith9350paying them more incentivises them to perform, to keep their good pay. This is proven in studies. You’re parroting the stuff that big business owners and execs have taught you to believe in order to help them pinch pennies.🤦🏻‍♂️

Well this is Tesla, not GM😂

Go tell it to Earth!

You mean firing the useless people and propping up the hard workers? Man what a monster

@@donovanhouse9584 Proof?

@@KH-qy7fm the source is the employees themselves 🤣 all the people that got fired and cried on the internet worked in the Human Resources department for cultural and sociological aspects of the business. You don't see any videos of actual technicians that literally build the website crying about being fired

@@KH-qy7fm spoiler alert: its because they weren't fired. The actual useful stem majors were kept and the useless pink haired sociology majors were all fired.

What!? Companies never had that "sight" to begin with! They've always been awful and will always be awful.

Please name a time when workers were treated with respect without unionisation… I’ll wait…

Elon specifically doesn't take care of his employees.

Now what happens when the workers are the owners/shareholders?... like with Tesla?

@@CG-dd9tb Interesting... I worked for an engineering firm in prototype fabrication. More often than not I was building complex machinery from sketches even before blueprints we drawn. If I ran into conflicting sketches I'd call the owner and ask which sketch to follow. Almost always I was told "Do what you think is best and update us." If I saw part of a design I didn't like for some reason 90% of the time it was changed. I don't have 17 letters after my name but do have some self developed skills and a lick of common sense. There was no desire to unionize that company at all by anyone.

That is one issue with unions for sure. If an employee is bad, stop defending them. Kick their ass or let the company do the right thing and fire them! Unions should be about workers rights. Part of workers rights is the right to not be stuck working with incompetent idiots that make your job harder.

That is true, yes, but not completely true. They typically do not last. I was a teacher for 11 years and the 50th percentile was 4.7 years -- that is: half of all teachers would burn out or get priced-out due to low pay or leave the field and do something else, which was sad because often these were the top teachers. Anyway, almost always included in the attrition group were the mediocre, lazy, unqualified teachers because the students would effectively weed them out as a consistent, giant amalgamated cohort, making the classroom environment unbearable. And the rep in the teacher's union would help them make the transition to a new career. At least in my school district mediocre teachers represented a small fraction of those who had the capability to survive. Nevertheless, yes, some unqualified ones survive and there is some union rep who will make the lemon dance and point them to a new school district to destroy.

ok coomie

Okay you didn't listen to the rest of his answer

Evs are clearly worse and we have enough oil for a long long time at the rate we are headed towards. Elon is the only 1 ev makers thats blind to how bad they are. Liberals are no hope as well. Hopeless braindead morons enslaving us literally

Go tell it to Earth!

Me too!

If he wanted to say it he would of said it!

@@stiffshaft4060 Umm.. Mr Musk is a genius man-child, like a man with verbal uncontrollable tourettes. I'm 100% absolutely certain he had this intent.

​@@stiffshaft4060No he woudnt becouse thats bad image to show of your self

Unions are trash

Well said.

Agreed.

Are you kidding? Unions have as much political and financial clout as rich people these days. Unions are equally responsible. I've worked in corporate America with no unions for 23 years across multiple companies and I have never experienced any animosity from management.

​@@jpete3027666corporations haven't increased wages to match worker's productivity... and more recently, to match historic inflation.... that is the animosity we speak of

Do you have to work for them if it’s that bad? If they are such scoundrels, you should be ashamed of yourself to work for them in the first place.

Your poor father. There's no reward in being the good guy. Glad he came out on top.

Your dad sounds like a leech, another reason to hate unions and union workers

Glad your dad got healthy again. ... Confused, isn't a union steward supposed to advocate for the workers, and not be fair to both sides, but also kind of be fair to both sides?

SOUNDS LIKE A COMPANY MAN!

Hate to break it to you, but the doctors and nurses saved your dad, not God. God doesn't care.

Look at California's unions, ANY union and tell me if they're a good thing. Unions cost the consumer TREMENDOUSLY.

They have a right to do so, but you don’t have the right to force a company to deal with the union, and that’s the problem with unions in the US. The government is basically on their side and that’s total BS.

Tesla should also hold the right to fire you based on such movements, you can organize outside the company and create your own business and company which provides you with all the demands you prefer. You are free to work else where, versus taking your time to fight your own employer.

I worked at a plumber’s union. My pay was higher than non union plumbers, but they took that extra pay in union dues. They then gave the union dues to local politicians who I don’t support and to make the union bosses rich. What a scam.

Tesla is a robotics company. Eventually, every job in manufacturing will be replaced by Optimus.

That's not how company works 😅

I think hes saying thats what they did

Unfortunately that's the nature of capitalism. It comes with its good and bad. Those that take all the risk get all the reward, and disproportionately so. Don't like it? Then go seek out some venture capitalists or take out an immense loan in your name or put down your own wealth and start your own business and pay your workers a fair wage with legitimate benefits.

@@ankansenapati3600Don’t waste your time. Every time I see this I cringe, but never has anyone who’s said this been swayed to think otherwise.

So the CEO and the line worker should have the same salary?

yeah unions are there to get a seat at the table.

US Oligarchs love XI he keeps people inline permanent ruling class standing O all hail president for life XI

nope

i dont want to eat at the same table as meth addicts and junkies.

It's a great idea. No one in Musk's position has presented a single good idea on how to make that happen. They all just lobby for more power.

I mean, we wouldn't need police is nobody committed crimes... Same idea

How about work the contract you sign? Don’t like it? Leave.

Without union employers are less free to just "do what they want" and that's both a blessing and a curse. In Europe unions is a pretty standard thing to be honest, not sure why Americans think it's some communist Russia type of deal

@@Ryanderson8467But Tesla’s work conditions aren’t the same. So the historical comparison is irrelevant.

He hates workers

No way! CEOs want their workers to be treated fairly

@@mg-by7uuonce you grow up you’ll find out the truth!

@@eurowan 🤣/s

​@@whydoineedahandle406The ones who he made millionaires?

- It is like most of you bring up Marxian-era arguments to tackle present-day issues - There are unions in industries where safety isn't an issue. - Maybe your point on executives and unions further creating the lords and peasants framework is accurate.

if there is no profit there is no worker. worker safety and profit are not contradictory goals.

@@phillipbanes5484 - I worked in chemical plants for over 30 years. You have no idea what you are talking about unless pure theory. In theory you don’t need unions if managers truly value safety. In practice saving money matters far more.

@@bernardwongibe5118 - who said safety was the only reason for unions? It was just one example near and dear to me from my last chemical plant burning down and several people nearly being killed in other incidents.

Yup , so start your own business

Not sure if you mean you arrived 5 after the workers shift began or ended. If it’s after the shift ended well, they aren’t paid to be there afterwards. Much like if someone hired a photographer from 1pm-2pm you wouldn’t expect that photographer to stick around for free until 3pm. Also, since when do employees create company culture? That’s the employer…

@@Michael-pi8pssound like a communist…….all people used to work because they had a conscience….now they work from 8 to 5 sharp and let the hell get loose

@@irinab7524It’s communist to work what you’re paid for? Sounds capitalist to me, you’re there for the money. that’s why you work a job

I would question how long ago this was , I joined my unionised company 12 years ago , in that time the union has sold out giving away everything that was hard won by the workers in the last century.

Doesn't really matter. The caustic relationship between the two parties has always been there. An adversarial combative attitude is a poor way to Foster excellence and both parties are responsible for that.

That’s probably correct, but taxes in Germany are 17% higher on wages than the US, and Sweden is roughly 30% higher than an OECD nation like the U.S., so comparatively, it’s better for the Tesla employees to be paid 10% less.

Ask how many gm union employees are millionaires because of their stock options. Unions were good in the beginning but the UAW is too corrupt at this point and will inevitability be responsible for bankrupting the big 3

Once part of a union you are a slave to the union, having the option not to be part of a union is the freedom option. Unions sometimes get so big, it becomes a government itself, just as dethatched from the workers as governments usually is today.

@@michaeldodd3563 That's not how that works.

​@@ShiftheadsO.k. how many. Do you also understand who benefits from stock buybacks, I'll give you a clue, it's not the employees. I guess someone should really tell unions they should stop raising the CEO's pay by so much. Shame on the unions for doing that.

@@Ryanderson8467 it’s not more efficient as a nation to decrease the amount of people working and increase the tax burden on those that still do by driving jobs overseas. I’m sorry, I deal with unions on construction jobs all the time, they aren’t more efficient. They don’t always do the best work. They drive up costs on construction projects. The combination of 4 million less people in the work force since COVID, government regulations on building codes, and inflation have driven home prices and rents so high that people live in tents. Come over to reality, it’s a nice place to live.

I worked at a plumber’s union. My pay was higher than non union plumbers, but they took that extra pay in union dues. They then gave the union dues to local politicians who I don’t support and to make the union bosses rich. What a scam.

That's a really pathetic notion of corruption. Corrupt people generally start working for themselves, they don't have secret allegiances to bureaucrats. So, you think the person in government stealing every penny they can get away with isn't corrupt, but if they start standing up for bureaucracy they're probably crooked. What a bizarre world you live in. Grow up. You think like a 12 year old. It's awful. You know how unions avoid becoming corrupt? By never hiring someone that thinks like you. Ever. Not in public employment, not in private employment. If I were your employer, and I saw you posting like this, I would have you under permanent surveillance when you were on the premises. Check yourself.

Another problem is they give a lot of power to people that may be financial midgets and will bankrupt any company by demanding more than the company can afford to pay.

So is the government, unions are better than nothing, and workers should be free to unionize if they whish.

They also create an atmosphere of us vs them dichotomy that's destructive to the company.

And let's be fair, not all employees are model workers, but usually the company will start an "Efficiency Drive" meaning we want you to do more for the same wage, Don't know about anyone else, but I am a Businessman when it comes to my rate of pay and any agreements therein, If 8hrs is the working day, why would I give anyone 1 - 2hrs extra labour for free? Just not good Business.

Wow... it appears you struggle to comprehend anything beyond that fearful perspective. Even your word choice reveals your singular take on things....

@@user-ln9bk7mo3l cool story bro.

Who would create jobs if there were no people creating companies that helped them become wealthy. You have zero understanding of economics. Poor people don’t create jobs. And if they did, they wouldn’t be poor very long if they run the company right. Then they become assholes to people like me you. So weird.

​@@jerrycrittendon5835 ​ *"Who would create jobs"* Read about worker Co-ops. Read about associations. Read Marx. Its entirely possible and there are already multiple examples. *"You have zero understanding of economics."* He says, while being completely unable to imagine job creation without private capital and ownership. *"Poor people don’t create jobs."* Lmao is this seriously an argument? "And if they did, they wouldn’t be poor very long if they run the company right." If the created a company they wouldn't be poor from the start considering it requires, more often than not significant capital investment. None of these billionaires you see started from the bottom and worked themselves up. They often like to portray themselves that way but it is for the most part a complete fabrication. *"Then they become (redacted) to people like me you. So weird."* Don't hate the player hate the game. I can't blame Elon or any other billionaire that they followed the path they did. Most people would do the same. The system that enables them is the problem, and they fact that the people who hold all the power are the ones benefitting from said system are also the only ones who can directly control and influence it is the problem.

@@jerrycrittendon5835 yay, fragile elon fans mass report me so my comments and replies get easily shadowbanned. despite my comments containing no profanity or insults.

Is he saying he made the production workers millionaires?

@@rolewis13 he's saying he offered them full stock options and they made themselves millionaires by buying Tesla stock at a discount.

yes, via buying company stock at discount@@rolewis13

@@blitzme99 I’d love to see a spreadsheet of all the regular employees that work at Tesla who have stocks and are “millionaires”

Uhh it's pretty cheesy, and strains credulity. But if it gets you pumped more power to you.

Quit

you should just go work for someone else if they are that bad. unions are terrorists filled with talentless people who can't simply get jobs at other companies.

Worked on the line for a few minutes with his body guards around him, more likely.

Yeah right! Born into blood money, never worked an honest day in his life. Gimme a break. Of course he doesn't, they're completely antithetic to any worldview he's ever had to experience.

Lol. Nice try.

How long have you been a Union representative

@@AmericanScout-USA because the UNION Takes away the COMPANY’s ability to control those things. DUH.

Exactly... people don't care if a car is electric or not, they just care if it's a good car. Make a good EV and people will buy.

actually it means that the company may not be profitable which is a problem, as it must be a marketable entity that holds and grows in value across time for there to even be jobs for workers to be paid to feed there values. I don't think you understand how the market works.

lol @@briansterenberg2979

@@briansterenberg2979 Oh, the lowest form of disagreement. The KZfaq comment of "You don't understand..." or "You should do your research...". That simpleton nonsense doesn't work on me. I've been running teams at a Fortune 50 for over a decade. I live in the free market everyday. If a company isn't profitable, eventually they go out of business, right? Companies don't stay open out of the kindness of their hearts. So, you hold your breath and then stop when every major professional sport, Amazon, Google, Apple, Starbucks, and Ford go out of business. Just keep holding your breath until it happens. You'll be fine.

​@@briansterenberg2979there is not a single instance where company went in loss due to unions.

@@user-tm1ix7xi1n that’s the equivalent of saying companies have never closed down or even failed to start because of labor costs. That’s categorically untrue. Unions are socialist movements legislated and imposed onto the free market. They are as such contrary to the free market.

Unions can indeed make companies less competitive, but they have been and are still necessary. It used to be dangerous work conditions, overwork, low wages, and lack of holidays that necessitated unions. Now it's low wages for workers and absolutely outrageous compensation for senior executives, most notably CEOs. How any CEO can take home that much money and still lowball the workers is incredible to me.

Unions make who less competitive?? Competitive vs foreign companies?? Please… there’s a hellava lot more going on than just simple, straightforward competition… 😂😂😂😂

Wait, Did BOEING and AIRBUS go bankrupt and disappear ? They are heavily unionized and yet they’re ultra competitive and are at the forefront of technological achievements in aviation and aeronautics…. Maybe it’s that you work at a failed company and it has nothing to do with unions….

@@mrparts 100% facts… 🍻

Let's get rid unions for CEOs, it called Board of Directors...

I would not want to be a UAW worker right now. Good for them that they won the pay raises they were after, but there's no future in their industry.

Tesla already move to texas@@Ryanderson8467

But then you would have to live in Detroit. Lol

deadweight

That is correct. When someone with seniority can stay above someone who is a harder worker, there is a problem.

Why are they deadweight? Too old to work?

@@clydecash5659 no. Seniority kills motivation. In the skilled trades seniority does not exist. We have no problem at all with older workers. They show up everyday to work. It’s the younger ones we have issues with.

@@clydecash5659 seniority is just another name for socialism. I don’t have to do anything and you can’t get rid of me…..

totally .. that's their job

So, many people agreeing with someone automatically equates to them being right? He's not a threat to the "establishment", he is the establishment.

Because those a Elon simps 😂😂😂😂 Vocal minority

Riches man in the world IS THE ESTABLISHMENT 😂😂😂😂 you guys are so dumb

@puddles5501 Way to paint hard working people as "slaves". And I dont think "slaves" can build cars that are competitive with Tesla if theyve got nothing more than just obedient workers...

You understand that, if China is building cars and other things faster than us, they will be vastly richer than us, and one day control us? There is such a thing as the wealth of a country and it is extremely important

...from a white South African slaver😏

​@@yerri5567Way to paint slaves as "hard working people".

@@souljahroch2519 You need evidence to back your words up. Everyone involved are consenting adults. Theyre not forced against their will. So how are they "slaves"?

This is utter bs. You give them better pay and after 3 months they start saying that it is not enough. As soon as you give them more their appetite will grow even more.

@@zasadacrew then why are so many places not unionized?

@@retiredbore378 , I don't like lazy people that come to work and demand non stop even before doing a job. When you give them an assignment instead of thinking how to get it done people start finding excuses why they can't get it done. And these lame threats they make with calling their union just make me laugh.

@@retiredbore378 , they all real when applying for work but after half a year change. The old generation is good but the younger ones are the worst.

Don’t mind these people, they’re just Elon cult members

I’m not in a union (not a common thing in software) but I am *100%* in favor of unionization. They help even non-union workers.

what makes you think these people are living paycheck to paycheck? thats a pretty ridiculous assumption. Furthermore, if someone understands the fairly obvious corruption and economic issue with unions, then its perfectly reasonable to dislike them.

@@zachdarwish3776 Well, the odds are in his favour that he's right. Something like 70% of people live pay check to pay check in the US, soooooo......

yeah ill never get when people love to side against their own well being

You missed the point.

@@TrendyStone yea I actually typed this before he finished his thought 😅😅

Where is the irony.. i am Not sure you understand this word..

@@saltyvet5751 he’s a billionaire….

@@williamisDTFyou pointing out obvious jokes is such a moronic thing to do. Calling his phrase ironic is the equivalent to calling water wet.

100% Accurate.

This sounds very true and reasonable

Treating your employer like an enemy fails . Every single time it’s failed . Look who keeps pushing For it though .

Government unions do for sure.

I live in Nigeria, you'd see people come to work by 9am, once they get to work they'll first pray for like 30 minutes, then eat and chat for like another 30 minutes, and you dare no interrupt them during this time else they'll just insult and abuse you. Later on they'll begin to demand you pay them bribes to do their work else they'll frustrate you and waste your time. It's worse in govt schools, as they'll just shout at students and treat them like literal garbage. They can live you outside waiting for hours while they just discuss with their co "workers". The teachers Unions just demands more money everytime and goes on strikes every single year. Most people don't finish a 4 year course in 4 yrs because of these strikes. And worse is that they usually provide very poor quality service and education. Those in the private sector are paid less but deliver better service and product. Unions seek their own interest, not that of the public. They are like monopolies in the labour market.

Yay Marxism

So capital owners should be able to fire workers as a unit too then. Fair's fair. No one owes anyone anything. If you dont wanna work at a company, you can quit and they can't stop you... right? Using your logic employers should also be able to just give you 30 days notice out of the blue and you can't stop them..

​@@OSheaGlobalAlliancesIt objectively is not. You conveniently ignore the first half of his statement, as it's incompatible with Communism. What makes you think that individuals give up all their rights under employment? Why do you want the vast majority of people, likely including yourself, to be powerless slaves? Are you a billionaire without any sense of ethics?

Yep. Everyone should be free to choose. If you are a worker, you should be free to join and leave union, at will. No mandated union membership and no forced union dues.

@@AlternativPerspectivYou realize most states in the USA are at-will fire states? So they can fire you without notice.

Exactly. It would be utterly foolish to trust anyone who desires that power without safeguard. That's what a Union is. He knows that, and so no matter what he says his word shouldn't be entirely trusted. Even if he can be trusted him and his ethos are temporary.

some people will ONLY work for unions to be part of collective support. Private companies don't provide that support similarly?

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There is always an adversarial situation between the company and the workers whether or not they have a union behind them or not.

Elon lies. you know it and I know it. He hates unions because it gives workers some degree of equal footing in the employment process..which at heart he dislikes because in all of his transactions he wants to be the one holding all the cards.

So long as public companies have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders, there will be an adversarial relationship between employee and employer. This is because an employer is bound to benefit the shareholder over the employee. Any funds given to employees as part of a generous unforced wage raise represents funds that could have gone to shareholders. The company by not using those funds for shareholders, has acted against the best interest of the shareholder.

well statistically speaking workers who are represented by unions get much better pay and benefits. unions are why we arent working 80 hours a week at the mines with no healthcare. Even If that causes an adversarial situation then count me in

not being paid well is a good reason to form a union... i make $20/hr more than my non union counterparts on average.