Coaching a Top 50 MPO Player | Evan Smith Backhand Accuracy Work

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6 ай бұрын

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Today you get an inside look into a coaching session I had with Evan Smith; a pro currently ranked at no.31 in the world with a rating of 1024. In this session we work on form changes that will help him be more consistent with his backhands off the tee on tour.
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@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

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@AceItDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

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@dgspindoctor 6 ай бұрын

This is actually a very, very good video.

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

Thanks homie

@patrickrussell7947 6 ай бұрын

Can confirm an in person lesson with Josh is excellent. At the time of my lesson in February (I think) I was about 865 rated and threw around 330-350 golf lines. Took me a few months working on it but now I'm 915 throwing consistent 390-410. It's definitely made the game more enjoyable so Josh feel free to come back through Florida again haha

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

We’re thinking about it!

@intrinsic2941 6 ай бұрын

@@OverthrowDiscGolfProbably unlikely, especially since the tour isn't even coming through here next year but if you ever make it through Washington State, I'd love to get an in-person lesson too.

@michaelleake353 6 ай бұрын

If I’m correct, you’ve already been/are a professional tennis instructor? I’m not an expert but a lot of the movements are similar. You provide the general population really good information. It may not be scientific yet but you’ll be mentioned for years to come as the sport grows as an innovative force. Not every pro can teach so no need to judge yourself so hard. I’m one of the thousands of people that you’ve helped improve without direct contact. Please keep doing what you’re doing for the thousands of us that follow your instruction from a distance. Thank you for all of your teams extra efforts and hard work.

@micdavey 6 ай бұрын

This was great. I think it took me about 3 hours to get through because I kept pausing to work on my own form. The "focus back" to keep the shoulders from rotating too early/too much is super useful, thank you for that cue. I could tell an immediate difference. And the points on posture and trail leg counterbalance were excellent reinforcement for me. Thanks so much for posting this.

@dirtbagfrisbeeskaterboy 6 ай бұрын

Super coaching. This is generous to share. Many hidden gems in here. Counterweight idea was new to me from what I’ve taken away from your channel so far. Calm vibe was on point. Butt out + focus back. Thanks a bunch.

@NickCarroll 6 ай бұрын

Josh, it's amazing how effectively Evan Smith takes in what you're saying, and actually understands what to change. And then immediately makes those changes. Also Leon Sonnleitner did another video recently (his latest as of this post) and the most impressive thing to me in it is how hard Leon hard to work to try and emulate bad form elements. I think these things show there are other areas that needs focus on by the disc golf form coaching community. Teaching form is one thing. But training someone to be coachable is something else. And getting it to where a player has a hard time reverting to bad form is probably the ideal situation (unless they're training to be a coach and have to emulate bad form on command). Just some interesting things (to me at least) this week on form coaching. 🙂

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

The strides made in one session were crazy. Thats what you get with professionals I guess. Worked with another pro recently and it was the same thing. And I agree. All these good players struggling to show bad form. Not me! lol. I’ve got it on lock haha

@andrewgalamb2395 6 ай бұрын

Evan Smith is a really great guy. I'm looking forward to this collaboration

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

Oh he’s awesome

@discRuben 6 ай бұрын

Ok now THIS is awesome! What a treat to watch.

@codyhall1636 6 ай бұрын

Looking forward to checking this out. Evan has some serious game.

@raymondbenedetto7942 6 ай бұрын

Love the work you guys did. It helped me pick up some stuff I was definately screwing up. Cheeers.

@jerkwagon 6 ай бұрын

Wow josh, this video was A+ THANKS FOR SHARING THIS!

@Lankybrit52 6 ай бұрын

Wow. So much great information in here. I’ll be watching this so many times.

@ammonwilhelm1095 6 ай бұрын

Josh, this is fantastic content! I really like the interaction of the coach and learner as you guys work through these tweaks. Thanks for sharing!

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed!

@truynmosher9143 6 ай бұрын

Thank your props to Evan. It be so tough to throw that many consecutive throws over 60 mph my shoulder and be shot for a week Genius breakdown on form OT!! Love this video

@ErnoAlias 4 ай бұрын

This video really shows your world class coaching skills. Great video. Ps A great drill in the video between 24:15-24:55.

@scbuckeye1267 6 ай бұрын

Shout out to Evan, NC guy. Always comes home and throws league events still

@stbnj 6 ай бұрын

Kind of cool to see a pro working through the doorframe drill like I did in my lesson.

@JohnKelly6x6Design 6 ай бұрын

To see coaching actually work immediately with a highly athletic player was by far the best video you have ever released. I have my tech disc. The one-leg balance drill is awesome, but i can only hit 50mph and 800ish spin. I have a lot of work to do!

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it. One leg is probably my favorite drill. Most of my players do it at one time or another

@JohnKelly6x6Design 6 ай бұрын

@@OverthrowDiscGolf you're by far the best, and IMHO, the most generous in helping the DG community. Thank you

@CherryB0mb333 6 ай бұрын

What makes a good coach is being able to take a player from point A to point B. What makes a great coach is being able to take a player from point B to point C. Using Cole redalen as an example, most people would say he’s a finished product (distance wise) because he throws 600 but his body likely has more distance potential that he could access safer and easier. A great coach would be able to help him do that. A lot of people like to throw out numbers but numbers out of context don’t mean anything or say anything about the coach.

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

Agreed mostly. Sometimes it’s more impressive to get a player from A to B imo because they don’t have a shot of getting to C. I feel like the real hero coaches are the ones that get that guy that’s absolutely stuck at 250’ for a long time with a lot of effort to 325’. Sometimes that feels like more of a miracle than getting someone from 400’ to 500’+

@mindlander 6 ай бұрын

I think a. B is b. Not a lot of people know about c. C could go either way.

@CherryB0mb333 6 ай бұрын

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Yes, ultimately success lies in the eyes of the student. Most of us don’t have the capacity to throw 700.

@bobbybobman3073 6 ай бұрын

These pros are out here making me feel competent yay. I'm not quite there, but kinda in the ballpark.

@michaelwbabbitt 6 ай бұрын

What an awesome video. So much value. Thank you team. 🍻also, I hate to say it but that half wall to the Kitchenette has to go for a longer run up

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

We feel it more and more.

@nothingnamed9815 6 ай бұрын

Any chance you’ll be heading through New England at any point coming up? It would be fantastic to have an in-person lesson from you. Thanks as always for all that you folks do! ❤

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

I believe we will be at the Northeast Disc Golf Expo but not certain yet

@MaverickTube 6 ай бұрын

Good stuff

@dgspindoctor 6 ай бұрын

So you're telling me it's possible to coach someone, to actually teach anything new to a player who has a better rating than you? Getoutahere!

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

Probably not but don’t tell the rest of the world. I’m just running a long con here. 🤫

@LiopleurodonJuice 6 ай бұрын

This was great! It will be cool to see these changes on real throws. Are you planning on getting a bigger space eventually for coaching?

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

Eventually it would be great. We are just taking it all in stride. We just moved out of a storage unit a couple months ago so

@larus10 6 ай бұрын

Fantastic. I may finally reach 500' with these changes and drills. Cant get past 450 (which only happens on my very best pulls).

@TristanGoetz 6 ай бұрын

I love Evan and his dedication and commitment. I would love to know what the application is you are using on the iPad to show the videos side by side and drow on the videos.

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

The app is called OnForm

@MrMscience 6 ай бұрын

I feel the load when doing the door frame drill but struggle to get that same feel with a walk up.

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

It’s tough and you can’t feel it quite as well during the full movement, but you can do it!

@Nolast12503 6 ай бұрын

If you ever come through washington id love to do an in person. In the meantime can you do a redo video on how to properly throw anny or hyzer shots? My hyzers in particular get pulled very right even when trying to throw a hyzer flip 😢

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

I definitely want another video on release angles

@jezufandiscgolf 6 ай бұрын

Love this. One question though... You keep saying, you can throw anhyzers from this bent over position too, which I can't seem to figure out. I find myself standing up in the end, which I think just ends up collapsing the pocket. Which pieces make the anhyzer if not standing up more?

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

Standing up *more* does help with anhyzer. But you don’t need to stand up completely or lean back. The best thing I can recommend for now is to go through the Simon slow mo on his longer anhyzers and play/pause your way through his positions to see.

@neil.m.m 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for releasing this! Are you now primarily focusing on supination for nose down instead of pouring the coffee, or in addition. Also what about setting the supination ahead of time and maintaining it vs add it in at the last moment? I thought in an older nose down vid you talked about both supination and pouring the coffee being used and then in a more recent nose down vid after that you said something like, "ultimately you have to end here." (Where you showed pour the coffee position) But now here you didn't even mention pouring the coffee when telling Evan how to get nose down, is that just because he already does / knows about that so it goes without saying?

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

Correct. He throws nose down on certain shots but not others so the reason for him not consistently doing it is because he is not throwing on plane. Those were my thoughts anyways. If he can throw nose down then he is probably already pouring the coffee.

@neil.m.m 6 ай бұрын

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Awesome, appreciate the clarification. Keep up the great work.

@jamisonryon3009 5 ай бұрын

my claim to fame is that I once let Evan smith play through me on a local course - basically im a big deal

@OverthrowDiscGolf 5 ай бұрын

😮

@florian7485 6 ай бұрын

I knew you were a good coach from the first couple videos you released on KZfaq (Overthrow fan since hour one here) 🥏⛳️✨🔥

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

Thanks Florian

@ciromassa7322 6 ай бұрын

Hey Josh, what would cost for me to get a few lessons? It would have to be like a Drew-Bondanza thing. I live in NJ, so I'd have to fly to you and would need a place to stay. Maybe a nearby motel. My max is 270ft. I want to throw 300ft golf lines, so I probably need a 340ft max

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

Sessions are $100/hr.

@deepsender 6 ай бұрын

Will you also do a field lesson with Evan, or are all your lessons in the studio?

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

We did the rest of the lesson out on the course to contextualize what we were working on here. Unsure if he and I will do work in the field together or not. It will just depend on what is the best environment for whatever need arises.

@cupshotproductions 6 ай бұрын

When powering down/throwing putter shots, is anything different in the form? Should the shoulders still be going 180 degrees back?

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

Lots changes. We actually have a video called “the ultimate approach shot guide” that does a better job of explaining than I can via text

@loreno1317 6 ай бұрын

What form examples did you show for the leg as counterweight at minute 44?

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

David Wiggins and Eliezra

@intrinsic2941 6 ай бұрын

Any chance of seeing footage from the round you guys played after?

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

We didn’t record it. Maybe a future one though

@ZipCasey 6 ай бұрын

Editing note, would be awesome if we could see the reference vid we know he's using in an overlay when they walk to the back...

@ZipCasey 6 ай бұрын

Interesting info as is.

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

We thought about that but it would have been too tough to do after the fact. unfortunately we didn’t plan accordingly to make that possible without tons of extra work on Mikey’s end

@OneFocusPhotos 6 ай бұрын

Where can I find info on in person coaching? I'm close to the Lynchburg area.

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

Just message me on Instagram and we can work it out

@OneFocusPhotos 6 ай бұрын

@@OverthrowDiscGolf will do!

@dacouncilman84 6 ай бұрын

What app do you guys use for the side by side video comparisons?

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

The app is called Onform!

@dacouncilman84 6 ай бұрын

@@OverthrowDiscGolf thanks boys! 🤞🏽the next data vid is on spin!

@robertsoliz6821 6 ай бұрын

Just out of curiosity, did you get a baseline speed that Evan was throwing before the lesson?

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

I didn’t. But if he said he could hit 480’ then that would put him at about 68mph. This wasn’t speed work though so that 68.5 coming out was crazy

@robertsoliz6821 6 ай бұрын

@@OverthrowDiscGolf that looked so effortless 🤯

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

@@robertsoliz6821 blew me away. Me: “That was decent!” *a wild 68.5 appears * My internal thoughts: 😳

@Steve-hv1bg 6 ай бұрын

Comment for the YT algorithm

@garrettpantano2564 6 ай бұрын

What size is your practice turf??

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

Maybe like 6x9? It’s linked in the description

@garrettpantano2564 6 ай бұрын

Ok thank you

@TwannGoDisc 6 ай бұрын

Link to the turf mat?

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

In the description below

@TwannGoDisc 6 ай бұрын

Just bought it! THANK U!@@OverthrowDiscGolf

@Stormfishingfordiscs 6 ай бұрын

EVEN IS THAT GUY

@krUsberry 6 ай бұрын

Josh, you have beautiful eyes.

@mindlander 6 ай бұрын

OT should do a series teaching him how to throw. That would be dope.

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

He already knows how to do that though

@Stormfishingfordiscs 6 ай бұрын

He is 31 best in the world lmao

@mindlander 6 ай бұрын

@@OverthrowDiscGolfsorry. My comment wasn't clear. I meant have a pro teach OT how to throw. Unless you're implying a pro doesn't know how to throw.

@OverthrowDiscGolf 6 ай бұрын

@@mindlander why would I need a pro to teach me how to throw? I don’t understand the question

@ShawnSchulz 6 ай бұрын

@@mindlander OT knows how to throw. Coaches know how to throw AND how to teach to throw. Some coaches throw well, some coaches can't throw for chit - even though they know how to. Pros throw amazingly well. Some pros know how THEY throw. Some pros pros just throw, but couldn't tell you chit about how they throw or how to throw for that matter - they just do it naturally. Why is it so hard for people to understand the coach vs player concept in disc golf?