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Source: Aviation Week & Space Technology. Jens Flottau Airbus may have to ask itself some questions. In particular, industry sources have been worried about the changing commercial strategy of its engine provider, RollsRoyce, which has adopted a tougher stance with a stronger focus on profitability versus market share. Disagreements over premature engine removals for maintenance and engine service cotracts frequently slow aircraft deals, but RR's new position may have a negative impact on A350 sales. If the A350 continues to lose more ground to the better selling Boeing 787, then Airbus will be compelled to act with regards to another engine provider such as GE. Airlines operating the A350 only use the Rolls Royce Trent XWB engines currently and have no competitive engine such as General Electric.The XWB engines struggle to go 4 years before they need to be removed for overhaul because of premature wear to engine blades in the Intermediate Pressure Compressors. The EP3 build standard for these engines which RR refuses to improve needs an overhaul every 4 to 5 years, or about 3,500 cycles which ends up costing operators of A350s more. GE engines of equivalent thrust have much more life time on wing and Airbus needs to either switch engine providers or at least have a competitive engine such as GE on the A350.

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I'm a very over weight(21Kg)! And I would seriously see no problem to pay for two seats. if it's realy just 199 € more for a transatlantic flight... also double the luggage capacity... Yet I currently fit even in small seats! But I have been overwheight more than 60Kg in times of my live basically wheighung as much as two people. So doubling the cost would be totally understandable and logic at this point. The problem is, assuming that this police would be in place, currently paying for two seats would not get you a mor ecomfortable seat as a overwheight guy would basicall sit on the edge of two seats and would have two backrest edges pressed into his back... for this model to work , It had to be possible to remove a seat and slide one seat in the center of two seat wide gap so that you can enjoy the personal space and still can seat in a regular seat. without bothering anyone. I wonder if First class seats would basically solve the "two small seat" problem. I never flew 1.st class, but I Imagine airlines design 1st class seats in a way that they never have to tell rich people that they should have booked two seats. So maybe overwheight people could just book a 1st. class ticket. I don't know. Also what realy sucks flying in economy is not the seat with! it's the people tilting their backrest into your face and the ellbows your neighbours place on the shared ellbow rest. I think a slight offset in the seats could solve that ellbow intimacy problem...It's like the intirior designers have a cultural blindspot for strangers beeing forced to rob their bodies at each other.

I'm not obese, 190 cm and 94 kilos, I'm just larger than average.

​@@davidsasse40you would be fine in frenchbee a350

And if you're naturally muscular with broad shoulders?

@@saumyacow4435 I'm a pretty big guy, 6'3" - not obese, but not skinny either. If you stay out of the front row, and hopefully sit next to someone small, you'll do ok on French Bee. If you're sitting next to other broad shouldered people, it's an issue. If you choose the front row though, the tray tables and screens for those seats are in the armrests making the seats even narrower - I could fit into that seat, but just barely, but I would've been sore for a month afterwards doing that for 8 hours. I had to switch to a non-front-row seat on both directions, and it was ok, but noticeably tight.

⁠@@saumyacow4435I agree, what about guys like me who are super vascular and be chiseled due to my remarkably low body fat percentage, which really helps to highlight my thick V which points downwards toward my dense and tastefully-sized wiener. Would I fit comfortably?

Well sorry. I am one of those men and why seat width and not leg room is my #1 consideration.

Been there, done that. That's one reason why I always choose an aisle seat.

As a 6'3" guy who's flown French Bee from SFO to PPT (and back), the seat width AND leg room are important to me. The width was noticeably smaller than most, but the slightly extra leg room was appreciated - there's nothing like your knees bashing into the aluminum bar for the tray table for 8 hours. I had an isle seat which helped a lot, but I chose bulkhead seats thinking the extra leg room would be great, but those seats are crazy narrow because the tray tables and screens for that front row is in the armrest, making the seats EVEN NARROWER YET. I had to switch out of that front row on both flights, but the flight attendants were very nice and it wasn't a big deal. As a tall person, I'm really tired of being crammed into less and less space all the time.

@@gorak9000 I suppose you'll have to work on your carreer so you can afford business class in the future. Joking my man but business models can't accomodate everybody.

Using new aircraft may be essential. The B787 and A350 are efficient and reliable. The struggling companies of my experience leased L-1011s 767s, which were mx nightmares as they aged. Delays and cancellations can hurt an otherwise good company's reputation and finances.

@@philipcollier7805 Yeah, French Bee uses exclusively A350s. (as mentioned around ~6:00)

@@philipcollier7805 which raises the sustainability question of whether A-350 depreciation is sufficiently reflected in ticket price.

By then, the newer driverless metro Line 14 will be open, making the connection between Orly airport and the city centre a lot smoother (and cheaper)

@@Desi365 Paris metro tickets stay 2.1€ and during the Olympics it will be 4€. So no Line 14 will unfortunately make cheaper to go go in the center of Paris.

@ollie2074 Considering the cost of airplane seats, it is surprising that most are extremely uncomfortable. It has been years since I flew Frontier, but they had the worst seats on the planet.

@@vizzini2510Frontier & Spirit are the air taxis. Their seats are not comfortable & engineered for weight reduction. Best for short routes, as your body can determine what that is. BTW, loading at the end of the line helps me shave off time on those padded boulders LOL

I’m wondering the same thing. I had the opportunity to fly Frontier with extra leg room but the same padded boulders for seats. I’d pay more for quality seats but not for leg room (5’6”) as it’s not valuable for me.

I must be odd, but those highly padded seats are horrible for me.

Recline?

Not to mention that a French man weighs about 77kg, a French woman 62kg. This compares to 91kg and 77kg for American men and women. This is a lot less weight to carry, and as a result they need less fuel, which is less weight again. So they can carry more passengers at higher density, with fewer disadvantages.

Also Cebu and Scoot carry smaller passengers so can go higher density.

@matthewbohun-aponte6028 I would be curious to see some statistics on the average size of passengers from various countries, particularly on international flights. Clearly, the average American is larger than the average Frenchie, but the "average" American is not necessarily who is flying, especially on international flights. Since there is an inverse relationship between income levels and obesity, it makes sense that flying Americans are smaller than the average American. A NY Post article reported that 40% of Americans have never left the USA. I would guess that those 40% would be concentrated among the poorer Americans, and therefore more prone to obesity. Personally, seat width is far more important than leg room. I only fly first or business class, but on those occasions when I am forced to fly a single class Barbie jet for a short connection, I have never had problems fully extending my legs (5'10"). Width is another issue. While I could stand to lose a few pounds in my hips, there is nothing I can do to reduce my 21" shoulders, which clearly cannot be contained in a 16.5" seat.

@@Secretlyanothername Some years ago, a budget carrier trialled seat price based on body weight. It never really took off due to passengers seeing it as a stigma and the inability of airports to weigh the passengers. Child prices also created a problem.

Don't forget that an A350 10 abreast, the seats will be hardly more narrow that standard layout on the Dreamliner which was designed as a 2-3-2 but the airlines put 3-3-3 in them anyway. Maybe people shouldn't get fat

You are wrong ! I fly from Tahiti to Paris round trip every two month (PPT/ORY/PPT) The one way is 21h00 in the seat….. On the same route, UNITED-AIR FRANCE-AIR TAHITI NUI. FRENCHBEE is not only the best price on this route but the best seat too !!!! Next trip on Oct 9th, will be FRENCH BEE of course 😂

I think long haul, folks care, because you're on the plane for so long and probably want to get some sleep. You may not be able to quantify why your flight was miserable but you'll know it was miserable.

Y’all are forgetting the travellers don’t care about the journey even if it feels miserable. They care for their destination and they spend for their experiences on the destination. Yes they suffer from that tight space but guess what? They book again. Cuz the plane is not the place they wanna have fun on.

​@@keisuke5468Exactly. I'm minimum wage starting out, but I want to see sights and have experiences now not when I can afford a comfortable seat and included meals.

Myheritage certainly did

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Sounds like it lol.

U sound like a jealous competitor , what airline u work for?

​@@JohanRfrlhs yeah didn't you know MyHeritage owns FrenchBee? lol jk

@ak1ranger I did not know they had PE, but I am happy to see the proliferation of PE seating on international flights. That is a long overdue compromise between cattle class and business class. Unfortunately, I have never flown PE, because all my international travel is free with miles, and airlines often charge more miles for PE than Business, so the choice is clear. As for amenity kits, I always chuckle when Business Class reviews focus heavily on the amenity kit. When you are talking about a $4-8K ticket, who cares about the $10 amenity kit? They are extremely wasteful, and most get left on the seat, or tossed in the trash in the terminal. I would prefer if the contents were simply stocked in the galley, so I could request a toothbrush or lip balm if I want that, without also getting face spray, lotion, eyeshades, pen, socks, and all the other crap that I neither need nor want.

I did SFO to PPT on french bee about a month ago. The meal was included in both economy and whatever the middle tier was. There was zero difference between the economy seats and middle tier seats - I switched into the middle class on the way back (didn't cost anything), and it was exactly the same. I certainly noticed the narrow seats, especially if you pick the front bulkhead row where the screens and tray tables are in the armrests. I had to switch seats to get out of the front row in both economy and the middle tier to not be in pain. In a regular (non bulkhead row seat), if you're sitting with other broad shouldered people, it's pretty tight...

@@vizzini2510 I loved PE when if first came out: pay 30-40% for significantly more comfort. Not so impressed now with the price so much higher. But, hey, I don't blame them for pricing it right for the market - they're businesses, meant to make best profit not there to make it cheap for li'l ol' me.

I was in economy (SFO -> PPT) and premium economy (PPT -> SFO) and there's literally no difference. Even switching seats when I checked in on the return flight didn't cost anything. They were going to charge my gf to switch seats too, but the check in agent moved hers for free when we checked in. If you're a bigger person, just stay out of the bulkhead row - the tray tables and screens in the armrests make those seats EXTRA NARROW.

@@gorak9000 Not saying you are wrong but that's incredible hard to believe...what's the price increase for Premium Economy buying you?

and Japanese people are pretty small too, other that Sumo wrestlers... wtf do they need all that room for?

French bee is in fact a company owned by the Dubreuil Group, the same owner as Air Caraïbes (an older and well established conventional French Airline that serves overseas territories). They know their business and share a lot of things that can help them grow as a pair :) This might also be a key factor in French Bee’s success

Did the same last month and I was really impressed by zipair

Air Asia X, and the Original Scoot followed the same pvilosophy

The French Bee staff at ORLY was very rude to me and my fiancé. They overbooked my flight then they closed the baggage checkin early & me along with 10 people had to spend thousands on other flight tickets. I missed a day of work because of this. The French Bee staff in the ticketing window laughed at us.

@@workhard1906 I am very sorry to hear that but I feel there might be more efficient ways to complain about that incident than posting a rude comment below mine that was simply thanking him for the compliments he made to our company

Haha maybe they should hire me for their marketing 😂

That's actually an interesting point because Cebu is one of the only other airlines that operates high density and they're seen a lot of success. But their average mission is quite a bit shorter than FrenchBee's - they do more mid-haul than long haul

scoot wasn't merged with silkair tbh 🤓

@@cobyexplanes Air Asia X is also a good example too, despite the fact that they experienced some financial troubles, they have bounced back and is now profitable. BTW Excellent Video as always.

Scoot is not merged with SilkAir. Singapore Airlines merged with Silkair

@@jerricklim sorry, I meant TigerAir. Thanks for the call out.

If I could pump em out that quick I would - it takes anywhere from 7-14 days to finish one video though. Glad you're enjoying though!

​@@cobyexplanesgreat video and also play airlines is a low cost airline and do low cost long haul flights

Would definitely do a video on Play - need to do some digging on what they're doing different that WOW that makes them successful @@jeanetteryan6571

I'd actually really like to - they're a super interesting airline

I had an amazing experience with AirBaltic flying from/To Riga, the planes were very silent, clean and large leg room and comfy

He has done several, just search the channel :)

@@joec1774 I know, I just love to see videos about it so I want more 😂

Sure is! Got to visit it during a recent trip to Lufthansa. Stay tuned for that video

I flew them from san francisco to tahiti recently - the price was a little better, but I noticed the narrower seat... it sure wasn't $199 one way that's for sure!

I did the SFO-PPT (and back) on french bee recently. I noticed the narrower seats, especially if you end up sitting by some other "broad shouldered" people. And if width is an issue DO NOT go for the bulkhead seats - the screens and tray tables in the armrests make those EXTRA NARROW!

I’ve only been ryanair/easyjet a few times, and found the staff to be good tbh. It’s the kind of passengers they can attract that’s the problem…. !

and of course they are strict on allowances, but they are very clear. Ryanair is extra mean with checkin process too.. so dodgy there!

Smooth ride ahaha! I'm not sure this could be airline related! Maybe smooth as in no hiccups in your travelling tho :)

@@tenns Sure enough it's not a smooth ride anymore if, say, a cabin door pops out mid flight.

That is not very cheap

That's the point of low cost airlines though, for the people who don't want/need the extras. I fly Ryanair because I don't even need an overhead bag, just give me space under the seat. I want to spend at the destination.

yes, I lost all interest when I learnt it's 3-4-3. At that density standing is more comfortable.

Space for legs , I agree

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You’re right for the takeoff. But, the further you want to fly, the more fuel you have to take because you burn fuel to carry the extra fuel you need, so the exponential cost is due to this inevitable fact. But, you could also say that if you fly farther away you can climb higher for your cruise altitude, which can make a big difference in reducing your fuel consumption. So, as you said, there is a sweet spot for each type of airplanes.

You also forgot to, factor into the cost total. The extra expense of ground transportation, using a secondary airport, like Newark or Orlay! 😮

Paris is further than London, hence higher costs for everything, from fuel to maintenance to crew.

Making more money out of business or economy premium seats is dependent on actually selling them as the empty (or highly discounted) more expensive seats cost them more. The line between profit and loss can be surprisingly fine…