CORRECTION: It's 310pts for Ravenwing Command Squad plus max Black Knights sorry! Mental math error on my part there.

Codex: Azrael

I want my interrogator chaplains back. We’re still paying for the sins of 9e Inner Circle… despite it being removed before the end of 9e.

The most inexcusable thing to me is that they didn’t change our army rule. This dumbass battleshock focused rule that has literally always been bad, and always been mocked as bad. GW just went “it’s good, keep it”

They totally ruined the Dark Angels this time, in comparison to other codices that came out! Most datasheets are weak and/ore too expensive in points. Deathwing Knights got beautiful new models and building options, but are much too expensive for what they do, as they are very tough, but cannot do much damage... Azrael and Darkshroud are stand-out units, the rest is ok at best...

It kind of scares me when I hear someone say Azrael is undercosted. It's TRUE, but if Games Workshop actually fix Azrael, then the Dark Angels will have literally nothing left.

Hint, they're all bad/mid except azrael

Just a brutal codex at a time where interest in Dark Angels is probably its peak post Ark of Omens and all the new lore justification to bring in their beautiful HH era kits into play aesthetically. We lost a massive amount of flavor and flexibility for our unique units in return for great looking bladeguard proxies and a nice looking Asmodai/Chaplain model. Awful detachments, no mixed weapon terminators anymore (a staple since 2nd edition) and lost our unique LTs. Writing on the wall regarding our unique Ravenwing (outriders are awful for what bikes used to provide), plus the funny damage nerf to LS's Plasma Battery. Its even worse with Azrael/Land Speeder Dark Shroud puffing up sub 30% win rates, we might actually get buffs if it wasn't for that Iron Storm list. Then again Dark Angels are never really good competitively outside that weird 6 months end of 9th edition. But back then we still had absolute flavor and model swag.

Here’s the tier list: S tier: Azreal A tier: Darkshroud F tier: everything else.

There is nothing in this codex that makes people want to play dark angels. They couldnt even make the unique characters interesting. Not even a primarch lol

So sad to see what they did to DA. I'm also terrified at what the other chapters might be facing

Azmodai and inner circle companions got the “it’s a cool model, it will sell. Don’t bother with rules” treatment.

It's a shame, I look at our codex and it's complete trash. But then looking at sisters and orcs, makes me jealous

My boys are in a tough spot, but I remain loyal "loyalty is its own reward"

50$ that in this dataslate admech will have a huge update that won't change even a 5th of what people are hopeing online, and DA will have to wait for 11th because of codex space marines units and detachments...

I've played a *lot* of games with inner circle companions recently, they're great as an "emotional rollercoaster" unit. Almost always, they end up doing the opposite of what my opponent expects lol. World Eaters slamming into me and all that's left to stop them is 6 companions? Surprise, their counterpunch ends up killing a lord of skulls, angron, and a bunch of berserkers Random unit shoots/fights them with a bunch of ap0 or ap1 shots/swings? Surprise, 3 of them die immediately I love the unit's look and the idea of them being a small elite group of bodyguards that are surprisingly punchy sounds super cool, problem is their datasheet feels too half-baked to be useful as anything other than a bodyguard for Azrael. They're cheap enough that I don't feel bad using 3-6 of them as Azzy's bubble wrap (tbh I might go as far as to say they're the best bodyguard unit for him), but I wouldn't want to ever run multiple units of them, or run them with other characters edit after watching the vid: personally I'd much *muuuuuuuuuch* rather use 3-6 ICC's in a list than the Lion right now. Sure he can be scary, but he's far from being a scary enough melee threat on his own for me to want to bring. He doesn't have a way to effectively deal with anything with an invulnerable save, his strike isn't quite high-enough strength to be appealing vs high-toughness vehicles (where ap4 is useful), his sweep being 1 damage instead of 2 makes it only ever worth using if he's fighting 1w chaff, and his primarch auras range from niche at best to anti-synergistic at worst (I'd much rather have pretty much anything than +1 to hit in melee lol, most of the melee stuff you'd be sending in alongside him already hits on 2's lol). 300points is also expensive enough that it's not easy to just "slot" him into a partial list in the same way that you can with ICC's, 90 per 3 is pricy but manageable in most cases you *can* build around him, but I unfortunately haven't had much fun (or success) doing so. it's also tough whenever you remember that Abaddon does so much more, while getting to lead a unit, while also being 5 points cheaper

I like how in comparison to Space wolves (who use their detachment and unique units) Dark Angels players, including me, only use Azrael and the Dark shroud

Bring the Talonmaster back in Stormspeeder form.

I mean, I count Hellblasters as a Dark Angels unit as long as you take 30.

Not sure if i heard that right but just in case asmodi is not the chief chaplain and trust me if you havent heard the dialog between him and the cheif chaplain go look it up asmodi needs a tub of aloe vera after every conversation it is hilarious

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if all we got from GW is an Azrael points nerf

All of the units for dark angels I just finished painting are in the bottom 3 tiers 😭

It really should say something when the Inner Circle Companions are so bad that I only buy them to kitbash HH Deathwing Companions.

Howdy! When you talk through the Ravenwing command squad at 19:30 you note that for the command and 6 black knights it’s 410pts. I believe that should be 310 for the full 9 bike squad. I have a strike force company of hunters list with 48 bikes that I built because I’ve always loved the all biker idea. Not an easy army to be competitive with, but it’s a blast and really fast! Haha

Codex: Black Templars proxies

putting DWK and Lion at T2 is honestly wild. I'd expect anything T2 to be usable competitively....neither of which are. DWK need to be 200 to be close to usable given how bad the DA detachments are, and Lion needs rules changes - why they nerfed him when he was already not good I'll never know.... why is he worse than Abaddon?

THANK YOU AUSPEX!!! Just the other day I was laying down for bed saying my nightly prayer to Auspex that a DA tier list would come out soon and for his strategic wisdom in all things. I knew you were listening. And they all called me crazy! Ha!

Absolutely gutted the army for the crime of not being Ultramarines. I hope the other non-codex compliant chapters aren't hit as hard but I won't be surprised.

Dark angels RULE!!!!

quick correction: DW Terminators only ignore modifiers to hit, not anything else. If they ignored all modifiers they'd actually be worth the points (maybe too much so)

The comparison to generic space marine tiers is fantastic and much appreciated ❤

A friend from my local store had once making fun on Marine : "You guys don't have divided chapters, all of you are just Iron Hand, son😏" When I look at the Tier 1 list, I feel really sad on this🤦🏻‍♂️🥲

Still my main army, but I halted buying anything new for awhile. Sending my money to other gaming companies until GW figures out DA.

Assembling some dark angels right now, great to listen along while doing so

Wonder if the Lion wants his Helm back?

I started 40K with dark angels a few months ago and I’ve seen decent casual success with a gladius list using azrael, DW knights, and DW terminators. That said it really does not feel like I’m playing dark angels - azrael just parks in the backline with my hellblasters and feeds me Command Points while I keep my deathwing in reserves to deepstrike. I did win a game the other day where I brought the lion and belial just to try them out. It was definitely fun to put them on the board but Belial was basically useless and the lion really only acted as a deterrent. The only reason I won was because I baited my opponent into overcommitting towards azrael which gave me a deep strike window for his home objective. It almost feels like GW is leaning into their status as the “original” space marine chapter: they’re like normal space marines but a little bit better - one unit gets sustained hits 1! 🙃

Honestly if all the detachment rules where re written i doubt a single person would complain.

They’re all tier 4 besides azrael and the darkshroud… Knew the answers before watching the vid! Haha ugh

Thank you for documenting our damnation.

Tier list feels generous. Belial and Inner Circle companions on tier 3, or Lion on tier 2 feels like wishful thinking.

Should have gotten access to cypher as well.

The Lion and DWK are tier 4 and 3 respectively...

I still think an important aspect of evaluating a unit is evaluating who can effectively lead them. Bladeguards may be better than Inner Circle Companions on paper, but ICC can take more gains from Azrael than Bladeguards do. ICC have more OC, more strength, more flexible melee options, and when led by Azrael are harder to kill than bladeguards with their -1 to hit. Add a Lieutenant in as well and give them lethal hits + fallback shoot/charge to keep them incredibly mobile.

My personal favorite Azrael combo, is 10 hellblasters, Azrael, and an Apothecary, starting in a repulsor. Very expensive but creates a huge midboard problem

The Deathwing Terminators are gorgeous! Once i get my hands on an Airbrush, amma start making a Ultramarine/Dark Angle chapter and make 10 of them.

I run Asmodai with 10x Assault Intercessors in a repulsor. When they jump out and charge a unit on an objective and get to reroll hits AND wounds they feel really good. It's like getting a second OOM.

My go to; Azrael and Lieutenant Zakariah with 10 Hellblasters (stupidly OP), Termie Chaplain on 5 DW Knights, Belial with 10 DW Terminators, Apocathary Biologis with 5 Heavy Intercessors, 6 plasma Inceptors, 1 Redemptor, 1 Repulsor Executioner. Job done.

Inner circle companions are OC2, which isn't nothing. I find Ezekiel very strong, and extra attack each and a chance of character assassination comes in very handy.

Feels like they're reeling in the power levels so when the next edition comes round they can buff the heck out of everything and send those sweet prices even higher.

Dark Angels getting shit on by GW is almost as consistent as CSM's getting dumpster'ed by GW... Having been around since the beginning of 3rd edition, Dark Angels have almost *always* been the "have-not" among loyalist Marines; - your 3rd edition codex was so laughably unplayable, GW had to overhaul it in a Chapter Approved article just to make them remotely playable - you got "Jervis'ed" in 4th ed alongside CSM's and Eldar... but at least CSM's had double Lash Princes + Nurgle Bikers while Eldar could abused 4th's core rules with their unkillable Fire Prism's + Flying Circus builds Poor Dark Angels were just left to sit in the corner and cry into their bath robes. - Oopsie! 5th ed called, it forgot you even existed, just like the poor CSM's! - 6th was again GW going, "how can make Dark Angels suck again?" - 7th ed GW decided to let you all out of the dog house and have about 8-12 months of fun with the 'Dark Green' version of the Gladius formation CSM's finally became semi-relevant again for all of 5 months before GW nuked the Traitor Legions supplement - 8th was again mostly a miss. - 9th had amazing character for the army, but then got hated on because god forbid Dark Angel players of all people be allowed to have any nice toys again 😛 Seriously, Dark Angels have almost always been that loyalist army you play and collect only because you love their lore & background, because GW letting you be remotely competitive is purely by complete accident!

Should redo this video!

And what about the Chaplain on bike? Use him with Ravenwing Knights and here you go: Plasma with devastating wounds plus Anti+.

Talking about win rates ... Azrael with a SM List, running a SM detachments .... This tierlist is not to be used in comparison to other tierlists. This tierlist is ok to show the relativ strenght of the DA units in comparison with themselves for playing fun games with friends. The real tierlist for competitiv games not using DA detachments: T1: Azreal T2: Dark Shroud T3: those things listetd in T2. T4 all the things listed in T3 ... T5: the things listed in T4. Using DA detachments ... all units besides Azrael und darkshroud go down, as the detachments are so underwhelming, that they are not played in competitiv games. Besides that, I like the old DA inner circle detachment best, feels well for DA, i like the battle shock theme, because it gives DA something special (I know, not too useful :-)) ... but even that bad detachment was made worse with changing the former best strat.... And it makes me sad to see, that other codici bloom with good ideas, good flavour and competitiv and unique ideas...

I think the units are rated correctly . Although I'm still not a fan of Jonson at 300 points . What the Inner Circle Companions need are more character models to be Deathwing like all generic captains and such . That would make the ICC already a lot more interresting . Other buffs should include the mixing of Assault weapons with normal terminator weapons for the Deathwing Terminators . And the return of course of the Deathwing Strikemaster . Not sure what could be done for the CoH since to improve on that they would have to change the Outriders to be more effective . IN other words , GW has to re-write some datasheets and rules before much of the DA becomes competitively playable and interresting .

Codex:Stormbird and everyone's inability to understand hover rules.

It funny that sister got such a boost that soon they will get nerf. Yet space marine are all over the place and lots of them are stuggle from unit cost, unit rules etc

It's been heartbreaking trying to play them over the last few months. The codex supplement just doesn't have any teeth. I personally don't care how cheap the Lion is; I'd much prefer him to be expensive with some truly scary stats and rules. On the rare occasion I see him these days, it doesn't take long before he gets focus-fired down. Otherwise, he's so shot up by the time he gets to the monster/character he's hunting that he gets one-shotted in the most anticlimactic way. The Firstborn Son of the Emperor, beloved by all and the Monster Hunter of Caliban sure gets his ass kicked by his prey a lot these days and it's always painful to watch. The ICC literally have Iron Halos mounted over their backpack censers. For the love of God, give them the rule already and some AP on those swords; they shouldn't have to rely on working solely with Azrael to have any survivability. Belial and the DW terminators are underwhelming, especially the knights. I love their durability but they need better weapons. I guess that's my issue with 10th - I hate how WEAK everything feels compared to what I'm fighting against. Azrael if the only unit that makes me feel proud of playing my army (fortunately, I don't mind Greenwing and I like lots of tanks and stuff. But still, the DA specific units have proven to be terrible.) I actually wouldn't be surprised if they nerfed Azrael in the days ahead and I honestly wouldn't even feel bad at this point; the poor guy's back must be sore from carrying the whole army all throughout the edition. One the positive side, I love the miniatures and they look amazing on my display shelf ! Oh well, the truth is, DAs have rarely been great or even good on the table. I had hoped bringing back the Lion would reinvigorate the faction but it sure doesn't seem that way. All I can hope for now is better luck in 11th.

Tier List? Azrale, rest is shiieeeet. Thx GW!

Does Lion El'Johnson remind anyone else of Tywin Lannister?

I'm just getting back into warhammer after many many years - I still have my dark angels army, and am trying to see what lists / builds people are running to get an idea of what to put together. I heard that ironstorm got a nerf, and in one video I heard people are still running that, but also that most people are now running 3 x 5 DW knights, some inner circle companions, land raider / impulsor etc. Could someone please share a resource that lets me see what people are currently running (as youtube search results brings up old videos when I type in current) thank you so much!

Codex Azrael. It is mind blowing how "good" The actual DA detachments or actual DA unuts are doing. The codex could not exist (for new players) and most would not even notice. Tank list which "DA" feel comes from a chapter master and a speeder.

not the right time to get a Dark Angels army then!

ravenwing black knight squad x 6 (180) and ravenwing command squad x 3 (130) is 310 pts not 410 the comman squad are also black knights for 9 black knights... am i missing something

310 points for the combined RWBK+RWCS unit. You said 410 in the video.

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With the new point changes whats a decent list for a 1000 pt general space marine army? Iv got everything from the leviathan box set i just purchased. Planning on selling the nid half on ebay and buying more marines. Any help would be appreciated, im a total noob to warhammer just getting started.

I'd still play them in a tourney. I don't care what's meta. I play what I love.

Bad times video with the buffs and changes. In a certain companion is -2 ap on the great sword, plus a few other bits and pieces for the faction

If the ICTF vowed target gave +1 to wound for Deathwing Vehicles it would probably bump DA up to 47-49%. By no means meta but it’s the least they could do. Wtf is the point of LR’s, Dreads, and Repulsors getting the keyword when it does absolutely nothing. So stupid.

This was before or after the deathwing buff?

Bummer that this whole list is out of date just like 1 week later. Great video otherwise!

Apothecary overshaddowed???? Hes ausome with hellblasters and azrael. Another unit good with az is the innercircle companions as he already gives sustained and invulnerable save, add an ancient with pennant of remembrance and they are as tanky as you like.plus they have built in dark shroud with minus 1 to hit.

everything tier 4 bar Azreal

Dark Talon 210 and LR Crusader 220, GW point balancing is really bad, even flyer should have a place on the board with use, also the way flyer have to move is a bad designed rule

Dead angels

Is Ironstorm the Ideal way to play SM? I just got a leviathan box and trying to see what to get into next.

Just here fir the comments

Eldar Will rule the galaxy again

HAHA I only have Deathwing terminators, one Landraider, Az, and now the Lion left of my old Dark Angels army. I just rebased my old Azrael on some cork and a bigger base so he counts.

i wish the dakka store would theme them more towards chaos so we could get a proper fallen army.

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