Welcome to the channel! Thanks for the kind words!

Scott Johnston totally Scott! I think these are a solid purchase! Thanks for watching

king Leon I’m here! Thanks for dropping in.

All those pour overs were getting to my by the dark roast tests and my hands were definitely not steady, haha.

Keepin' it real!

For sure; these aren’t designed so much for texture other than maybe the dark roast. If you like those heavier thicker cups these may not be best.

Definitely on my list. It was originally the idea I had but with all the roast levels o had to run it like this.

@@Sprometheus: Sounds like Part Deux is in the way.

I’m using the “dark roast filter” for my light roasted coffee. Taste sweeter

Perfect... exactly!

Thanks Tony! I didn’t compare the standard V60 as I had ran out awhile back and was trying out Cafec’s Abaca filters instead. I’m curious about too. Will definitely give a shot and report back.

Thanks Mason I appreciate that!

Yeah I noticed that to. I think those density and texture differences must work best on the cone shape than it does on the flat bottom.

I'm a BeeHouse/Clever/Technivoorm user and i can swap filter between all of them, but this test has me pretty intrigued. I would like to see how the standard v60 stack up against Cafec's dripper with straight channels.

Rob Lucchetti that’s definitely on my list, as well as Cafec’s pour over style which is far different than anything I’ve seen. If you search CAFEC Osmotic Flow pour over there is a video. It’s pretty wild and goes against all that I’ve learned and been told. Check it out.

@@Sprometheus Agreed, that pour over video they have basically does not match up with much, if any, of the general principles I’ve come to understand about pour over (primarily from KZfaq tutorials a la James Hoffmann and Scott Rao) so is generally confounding to me. I actually recently ordered the Cafec Flower brewer somewhat based on a review/overview by the Coffee Chronicler, a, from what I can tell, newer entrant into the world of coffee KZfaq. I would really be interested in your thoughts about their brewer!

You’re welcome and thanks for the response. I do agree with you the filter material definitely matters, and in this video I think that’s clear. But I do think filter shape can definitely have an effect on extraction and taste. For example I find the Kalita 185 to have more body and texture than most V60’s as well as an easier time getting over 20% extractions. I thinks a lot of people look at filters as a one size fits all program, and don’t often question its effects on the cup. But I hope that this video, even though not hugely popular, will maybe help people consider filters as a variable just as important as grind, water temp, etc.

Thank you! I'm using the Niche Zero grinder.

Thanks! Super stoked on that. Pretty wild!

The Real Sprometheus yeah it’s awesome!:)

Sweet. Well deserved.

This is Awesome!!

I’ve been using the Abaca filters too. Really enjoyed them, so when I saw these I figured it’s worth a try. At the very least could be an interesting video, haha

Benjamin Lew I’ve been seeing that a bit lately. It looks like some people with some proper scientific tools are doing some work in that realm. I’ll be curious to see what goes on with it and I may end up trying it out for myself.

See above

It totally is, the spout is pretty much flat, haha.

That’s a good question and definitely on my list. I’m curious myself, and now I have enough filters to last me the next 5 years so I may as well.

@@Sprometheus Can you please do this to see what happens? It would be interesting to know the results.

@@dkedavid James hoffmann did this for his patreons. I will not disclose too much but; run-through was pretty similar, taste was not.

@@jizzwow thanks for that. James Hoffman taking another one for the team!

jacob porter thanks Jacob! I actually use the same water for both my espresso machine and pour overs. Since I’ve had my machine I’ve only use Crystal Geyser spring water as it has the right amount of minerals in it to extract the coffee properly, but it also won’t build up much scale.

@@Sprometheus Great to know! Thank you! The more I get into espresso the more i hear people talking about third wave water, but have yet to find anyone who uses that product for their expensive machines. And Hoffman's video on it helped but my local coffee shops aren't "cool" about sharing or even selling it, So know I know what to get! Thank you so much!

@@jacobporter2213 I am using the Third Wave water minerals (dissolved into distilled water as instructed) for pour-over coffee for several months now. Where I live, the water is softened, and this makes a huge difference. The first time I tried it I did a side-by-side comparison with the same beans, same grind, etc., only the water being different. I was amazed at the difference it made. The Third Wave water extracts coffee much more effectively and the coffee it produces tastes much better than using the tap water I have available. Even the extraction times were very noticeably different. About 30-45 seconds faster for about 320 g water to draw down in the V60 with the Third Wave water vs. tap. (I had been wondering, why is my coffee taking so long to draw down compared to everyone on the internet? The water was why!) So, at least for me, it is a great product.

Scott Johnston I’ve been really liking the Aquacode Brew water as well. Just something a little different than Third Wave. I like Third Wave as well. I just think I like Aquacode a little better. I like my water to be a little softer for filter coffee. I guess one could also use a little less of the Third Wave packet as well :).

@@sdjohnston67 That's great to know! thank you Scott. I believe my water here in Az is pretty hard so after hearing your experience I'm really curious what this will do to my draw down time?! I have it coming in a day or to and am a lot more excited for it after hearing your results. Thank you!

David Austin the case came with it, and it fits over the original white case.

fionnuala kirbyf definitely! They come in 2 and 4 cup sizes. Thanks for watching, and the onesie may be making a return soon!

Fredrik Alfredsson so I used a medium roast that was intended for espresso to see how it would perform because I knew there would be some bitter notes in the mix as most espresso roasts tend to go a bit further into the medium realm than most of my go-to coffees.

For sure. I considered dialing in to get them to fall closer to each other, but I did find it pretty odd that the light filter was the densest mesh and still ran faster than the standard. I could’ve been making pour overs all day to be honest, but it was so hot in my kitchen by the end of filming I was fully over it. But maybe another video is in order in the future.

Yes!! I couldn't believe it doubled my brew times for light roasts! Overextracts every time. I have practiced osmotic flow in the past and have found it not very consistent for me. I didn't expect this much difference. My only solution is super slow pour or Tetsu method.

Thanks Joey! I’d love to hear your thoughts on these after you get em and try them out. Be sure to hold onto some of your old filters to compare too. Side by side is pretty wild .

@@Sprometheus Will do, great idea!

Thanks Stuart! I knew this one wouldn’t appeal to everyone because filters aren’t a high interest topic, but I had to do it!

It's not just you. No matter how I start my brews with the light roast filters, they will stall eventually, leading to horrible drawdown times and a bitter aftertaste. I'm switching back to the normal papers, since my pour overs were plenty tasty before trying these filters.

My first few experiments with the light roast filters they are very slow , 35 seconds to a minute + slower than Hario tabbed as same grind setting.

Yeah you can to some extent, but that flow rate would likely have major effects on extraction and final flavor. If one was coarse and the other was a bit finer you’re already going to get some different flavors extracted based solely on the grind size, even with an aligned flow rate.

Good question. Not 100% sure. They are made specifically for the V60 but the Chemex is a 60 degree angle as well. I’d say it’s likely, but I’d go with the bigger size, you could always trim off the excess of there is any.

@@Sprometheus after thinking about it, the single ply would likely collapse against the spout of the Chemex.

Yeah that’s possible. One of the biggest issues with that design in my opinion. Even their filters have that issue. If I had a Chemex I would try it out, but it broke a couple years ago and I never replaced it.

Never heard of that one. I’ll have to look it up.

@@Sprometheus I swear, it's great. I started using them mostly because they have a faster flow rate than Melitta or Filtropa, so the Clever doesn't clog as easily with them, but also they consistently bring out much more sweetness and less bitterness. The same coffee brewed with these filters or Filtropa are a completely different experience.

@@tykjpelk Wow. Wild!

@@tykjpelk So the FP103 is the correct size for the standard (large size; 18oz max capacity) Clever Dripper? I would like to try these in the Clever, pronto!

@@sdjohnston67 Yeah, FP103 are the big ones.

The app I use for the extraction calculations is called Optimal Coffee Extraction.

ppppatkay i definitely want to try the Loveramics dripper!

I when I sifted the Niche it actually has far fewer fines than my Mazzer. But I’ll be doing some more sifting soon so keep an eye out for that one. Thanks for watching and the kind words.

Did that too😅

I think we’ve all done that!

The biggest mistake with that...is determinedly using them up first, before buying ones you know will be better!

@@colinmaynard2879Do you consider the Hario V60 (non bleached) filters bad?

@@rbmanb Just couldn’t seem to get them to taste neutral

dsharp088 I’ll have to try out some more cloth filters for sure.

which cafec fiilter? i also recently tried cafec paper, and the lightroast paper is so slow compare to cafec medium dark roast or even hari untabbed. i think the differences between 1-2 minutes (same size same beans)

Same issue, the label says T-92, quality might have changed

@@colosse83 yeah i just read it on reddit

I use Crystal Geyser spring water for all my coffee.

I’ll check it out, thanks for the heads up!

That’s for sure. Will definitely be doing some mix and matching moving forward. I have way to many filters not to try that out. Thanks for watching!

@@Sprometheus Glad I found the channel, you do lots of cool and interesting things on here.

Just my shooting style, especially since I film everything in my tiny kitchen.

@@Sprometheus but the important thing is that the content is great anyway.

fari a just a V60 recipe tutorial?

The Real Sprometheus yes please. Or does differ from a type of processed coffee to another. Because I use the same grind for two different coffee and ones gives me perfect coffee while the other reaches 5mins and still dripping

Interesting results he got. I've tried them a few times and they are quite slow ( 35 secs up to a minute +) compared to Hario tabbed or Kono filters

Thanks RJ, I appreciate the kind words and for sticking around! Cheers!

Haha the competition is real!

I was pretty skeptical too. I’ve always just bought the standard filters for everything. But this was a pretty wild experience, and considering they are relatively inexpensive they’re worth a try.

Nope, I bought these filters and made this video without any contact with CAFEC. I mostly use Patreon funds to buy things for reviews.

Haha, I haven’t had great cups with cloth, but I like the idea of being able to wash and reuse it.

So close to 1st!

I doubt they made their standard filters worse on purpose. I ditched the standard Hario for the CAFEC standards about a year ago as I preferred them. I considered adding in tasting the filter water, but considering it was a long video already I opted to skip it.

@@Sprometheus Maybe I'll give them a try. I tend to rotate between light and medium roasts and will likely just get one paper. Would you recommend one over the other as a good option for both?

Daniel Fogg if you like cleaner and brighter cups go for light. If you want more balance and heavier flavor go with the medium.

Ed Wickson haha to each their own.