Coleman CT200U-EX Torque converter jackshaft comparison /install
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Күн бұрынColeman CT200U-EX Torque converter jackshaft comparison /install
Tested the Coleman CC200U-EX minibike with a jackshaft and then installed a torque converter to compare the difference in performance.
The engine is a 196cc with a VM22 Mikuni carburetor, header pipe, and a 7-degree flywheel key.
Coleman CT200U-EX playlist - • Coleman CT200U EX mini...
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Parts used -
Torque converter - www.amazon.com/dp/B08RJFVH8F/...
VM22 MIkuni carburetor - www.amazon.com/dp/B0914SQN52?...
Header pipe - www.ebay.com/itm/273555452026...
Riser mount - www.ebay.com/itm/155376939041
Riser mount - www.amazon.com/dp/B0C85NF698/...
Shaft adapter - www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07...
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@NVScrapper 2 жыл бұрын
First!
@kipwyand7869 Жыл бұрын
Your content has what everyone wants! Valuable data with real world numbers. Answering all of the "What ifs". You are the biggest asset on the tube for people wanting to improve their bike's performance. Well done!
@Black66 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words! Thanks for watching the videos!
@albertpeterson7134 2 жыл бұрын
Black66 I Really Enjoy Your Comparison Videos. Thank's And Keep Them Comeing
@xaviermccloud4586 2 жыл бұрын
NICE! I actually wanted to know this. Was thinking about it the other day.
@bigkev8251 Жыл бұрын
I noticed that with the top speed run it was faster + less rpm. I’m definitely sold on the CVT!
@laverncarroll 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the work you’ve been doing
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, man, I really appreciate you saying that.
@heathenprojects2639 2 жыл бұрын
Tested positive for the cough yesterday so no working on anything this weekend got parts in just been in bed for 2 days feeling better then I have in 48 hours but at least the mini bike community keeps me entertained 😊
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
You will be back at it in no time!
@nickclashez 2 жыл бұрын
Get better brother
@heathenprojects2639 2 жыл бұрын
@@nickclashez thank you sir
@27Zangle 2 жыл бұрын
Hope you feel better!
@heathenprojects2639 2 жыл бұрын
@@27Zangle was rough stuff took a month to stop coughing 😕
@keithcola9104 2 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this one!! Thanks
@nickclashez 2 жыл бұрын
We put a jack shift set up on a Tillotson 225 and that thing had great acceleration and topped out at around 50mph
@samceja2429 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the info! I just finished my first mini bike but my neighbors call the cops when I take a lap around my neighborhood! Oh well……….. please keep the videos coming !!!!!
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Maybe A quiet muffler LOL I'll keep the videos coming.
@RaquelsModernLife 2 жыл бұрын
@@Black66 a recommendations on a quiet muffler? :)
@Spraytaint 3 ай бұрын
@@RaquelsModernLife something long with baffles that won't blow out or fail
@kasimishaq Ай бұрын
Thats a sick ass intro with the drone dude!
@glennguerra2326 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing I enjoyed learning. I’m new to mini bike world I have much to learn I want a hard working simi fast bike
@teshuvahemmet3036 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information 👍🤠
@waynebrown5428 2 жыл бұрын
NICE JOB!
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@luiggispeed4081 6 ай бұрын
I need to put a torque converter in mine!
@michaelhull5111 2 жыл бұрын
I was gonna fully build 212 but after seeing this I changed my mind, I got the same one it had a bad carb and tank, it did run. Ordered new carb an all for it, going to see if it'll crank now with new carb, and uf Sonim going with this route
@lukehamill7943 Жыл бұрын
Did u ever get it to work man?
@maryhutt4263 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds better tooi
@keithcola3906 2 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry love ur Content but I gotta correct you!LOL its a CT 200 U EX V Nobody ever says it rite when they do a video on this bike!!😆😅🤣 glad we cleared that up👍🏾haha
@harpandblooz7733 2 жыл бұрын
Great channel. Great channel. Editing content videos..keep up the hard work..greetings from OH ...new sub👍
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you !! I appreciate it. Thanks for watching the videos.
@johnk6346 2 жыл бұрын
Another informative video Keep it going
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks !
@iamtheoffenderofall 2 жыл бұрын
Respectable for the 40T rear gear. I am doing 44 with 10T front and 50T rear. I am gonna try it with the 60T for the desert romping I do.
@Odin31b 5 ай бұрын
Any update?
@JamesBrown-cx3xf 2 жыл бұрын
Very good you mention driver pulley and driven pulley alignment how was rear sprocket and small sprocket alignment ? How did you align those two sprockets ?
@brettb86 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome stuff! Was going to go with gopowersports package but I didn't want to cut anything off the frame. This way is perfect AND cheaper.
@lifebythehorns Жыл бұрын
I'm also looking at the go power sports package, which one is this?
@brettb86 Жыл бұрын
@@lifebythehorns the assemble yourself version, takes a bit more finagleing but gopower is charging alot for less of components. Plus the engine raiser just looks 👌 compared, better be for that price. If you have an angle grinder and drill just buy the shaft adapter and almost any 3/4 torque converter off amazon.. then cut and bolt your own raiser with some 1' square stainless steel tubing. Can do the mod for less than 100$ that way. Would have now that i already did it this way. Also, he makes the drive adapter look way easier than it is lol
@lifebythehorns Жыл бұрын
@@brettb86 wow thanks for the info! Very helpful I think I will do that.
@lifebythehorns Жыл бұрын
@@brettb86 do you need a new chain also?
@brettb86 Жыл бұрын
@@lifebythehorns new drive length so new 420 chain. Get extra lengths n cut em down to size
@gregsteele9002 2 жыл бұрын
K i c k i n' a s s! My 200ex only has zip ties on the inner Gov spring and the airbox drilled with 2 extra 3/8 holes Does 30.7. 2nd best ridgid frame minibike in my opinion, But I LOVE my $599 RB200 (Coleman ReBranded 200 from Monster Moto) I def. need to torque- convert that one with a comet clone
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! 30.7 is still pretty good. That's a lot faster than this one was when we first got it. Have you seen the video where I git the CT200U-EX up to 60MPH?kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oK6WbNx70se-fHU.html
@spuds7677 2 жыл бұрын
With the torque converter, can you change the weights in it like other torque converters on other bikes? The Honda Ruckus comes to mind.
@williamburton8163 11 ай бұрын
Quick question for you sir, when you installed the three quarter inch sleeve on I didn't see you put on key. Did you not use it? Or do you use the one that comes built in?
@Odin31b 5 ай бұрын
SO much info on this channel! I have the same bike and just installed the Torque Converter. I'm about 235, and looking for the right ratio for hills and speed. Currently stock 10tooth to rear 50tooth. You mentioned you already had the 40t rear before your speed test. Any recommendations?
@Black66 5 ай бұрын
For a heavier rider I would go with a bigger rear sprocket .Check out the playlist for many engine and part combos with this bike.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oK6WbNx70se-fHU.html
@DFiantFigure Жыл бұрын
I like how your driver gear just slides right over the shaft adapter. I’ve sanded mine down an still it’s tight as heck. Literally have no idea how to get it too just slide on.
@1967res 8 ай бұрын
I had the same problem. Luckily I work in a machine shop and chucked it in a lathe and machined the adapter to fit the driver.
@jray1788 Жыл бұрын
What upgrades did you do to get the stock 196cc up to 40+ mph? Thanks for the awesome video.
@Black66 Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Check out the CT200U-EX playlist for all the upgrades and many different combos with this bike. I think we actually got it in the 50s with the 196. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jpaDoKSLr5zVh2w.html
@michaelbentley7510 2 жыл бұрын
Hey! Love the videos very helpful! I have the exact same converter you do I bought the one in the link… my belt did break after a while. Do you have a link for a new replacement belt? I know there are so many different sizes.
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you! here is a link www.gopowersports.com/30-series-drive-belt-203590/
@michaelbentley7510 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@michaelbentley7510 2 жыл бұрын
Have you had to replace any belts yet?
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelbentley7510 No, I install the driver with extra spacers. Check out this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7hiqayEqse4k5c.html
@funkymonkifyd 7 ай бұрын
Awesome video. Just got the 212 for my ct200u-ex and have some items in the cart on gopowersports. My question is where did you get the engine riser bracket?? Looks like gopower kit comes with a couple squared risers that don’t offer the forward backward adjustment that does.
@Black66 7 ай бұрын
Thanks! There are a couple riser mounts listed in the description of the video. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist for many engine and part combos with this bike .kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oK6WbNx70se-fHU.html
@funkymonkifyd 7 ай бұрын
Hah wow I feel dumb. I went there to look and failed to click the drop down more button. Thank you! The kit from go power has the blocks but that plate looks far superior. And I’ve watched em all! Awesome stuff!
@Black66 7 ай бұрын
@@funkymonkifyd Thanks for watching the videos!
@srcobra50 2 жыл бұрын
Sweet comparison thanks for doing the comparison video. Since me and friends do more street cruising Ima be going back to jackshaft. Which one felt better for you? Also il be trying to upgrade to a 265 cam from a cl1 for my predator, you think the 18lb springs will reach up to 8000 rpm or will I need 22lb springs?
@xaviermccloud4586 2 жыл бұрын
If you change your cam 22 is the minimum I would use.
@srcobra50 2 жыл бұрын
@@xaviermccloud4586 ok thanks, I had the jackshaft before with a 38t rear sprocket. Have a predator with 18lb springs billet rod and flywheel with a cl1 cam and 22mm mikuni. did 52mph at 7000 rpm. I want a 265 hoping to get up to 8000 rpm and 55+ mph on my Baja warrior
@xaviermccloud4586 2 жыл бұрын
@@srcobra50 You should be making more top end already. Maybe you need a bigger carb as well? Not sure.
@srcobra50 2 жыл бұрын
@@xaviermccloud4586 well….I am heavy…about 270…I think the cam just can’t push more than 7000rpm. It’s cl1 cam on it currently
@GoodFellasMiniBikez-GFMB Жыл бұрын
bigger springs would help and a bigger flat slide carb
@johnp1804 2 жыл бұрын
Have you had good luck overall using those TC-Motor "mikunis" carbs? I am thinking about replacing my old motor with a predator 212 and would love to hear your feedback on if the carb listed in this video would work for my application?
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
I like the "Fake" VM22. They are easy to tune, and super inexpensive. You probably will get more power out of an actual Mikuni, but for the money there not bad. You can get the entire kit with intake and all for around $50 . Will work on a Predator no problem.
@johnp1804 2 жыл бұрын
@@Black66 Awesome! Thank you sir. I'm trying to get my Manco Big Cat running.
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnp1804 That is a sweet bike!
@kurtsmith2824 2 жыл бұрын
Where did you get the mount holding up the engine? I’m about to put a predator engine with a torque converter on the bike and can’t find a mount anywhere online. I’ll make one if need be but buying for sure saves time.
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
The links for the parts are in the description
@travismellin3314 Жыл бұрын
What adapter did you purchase for this and was it the perfect size of the shaft or did you have to cut it? Want to use an adapter so I can use the juggernaut on my Coleman ct200uex torque converter…..also how to you get the adapter off if you want to switch back…..thanks….love your videos…so helpful
@Black66 Жыл бұрын
No, need to cut it. Links are in the description for the parts used in the build. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist for more combos on this bike. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jpaDoKSLr5zVh2w.html
@travismellin3314 Жыл бұрын
What are the washer things called you used to line up the pulleys and what size
@kingjason2343 2 жыл бұрын
What Allen screw did you use instead of the longer bolt it came wit to hold on the driver gear?
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
I picked the screw up at the hardware store . I think pretty much anywhere with a good bolt bin will have one .
@Christian-vy9fs 2 жыл бұрын
Hey I’m new to this game but I have a completely stock ct200u-ex and have been wanting to install the torque converter. Can I just buy the converter kit, riser plate, and 5/8 to 3/4 adapter you linked In description and be good to go? Or do I need to get the mikuni and header pipe as well? Thanks and great video sir?
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! You can do it without the Mikuni and header pipe
@troyewing3188 2 жыл бұрын
On my torque converter the red spring I moved the spring to the rear hole and I gain one mile and hour
@Lintlicker_69 2 жыл бұрын
Is your jackshaft stock because my mini bike the stock jackshaft one to 25mph and torque convertwr gets me to 45mph
@ThisTall Жыл бұрын
So the results are unanimous that torque converter is better for bottom end AND top end?
@michaelbentley7510 2 жыл бұрын
Did you have to use the 5/8 adapter key? Or did the converter have it built in?
@williamburton8163 11 ай бұрын
After just installing it, it appears to be built in
@imapiledriver2462 Жыл бұрын
Arizona
@ADESIGNMODELING 2 жыл бұрын
Where did you get the lifter for the torque converter from?
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
It is listed in the description
@williamburton8163 Жыл бұрын
When you use the vm22 carburetor, do you need an adapter or does it bolt right on?
@Black66 Жыл бұрын
Here is a VM22 install video. Also check out the CT200U-EX playlist. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mL6ChMmorau0lps.html
@michaelbentley7510 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have to use the key for the 5/8 adapter key? Or does the converter have built in key?
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Either way. Depending on if you use a Juggernaut driver or a series 30, driver.
@ThirdDayGuitarFan 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome!! Where can we get the 5/8” shaft to 3/4” adapter like you used? I have the same bike and will encounter the same issue I presume. And what about the mounting plate? Where could we find that?
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I put the links in the description for the mounting plate and the shaft adapter
@curtisbrown5254 2 жыл бұрын
What bolt did you use as the retaining bolt for the crankshaft? My torque converter didn't come with one that works.
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
It's an M6 bolt. You can grab one at the hardware store.
@curtisbrown5254 2 жыл бұрын
@@Black66 Thanks!
@bryankemp7159 Жыл бұрын
I need a driveshaft keyway for my hisun 196cc so I can bolt my clutch back on. Any idea what size I need?
@Gy6speed 2 жыл бұрын
try putting a juggernaut front pulley on there to let the engine rev out more
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
I have more videos coming with the Juggernaut, Check out this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j5t7obJhuLG7d4E.html
@GamingKeenBeaner 3 ай бұрын
Doesn't changing the chain length also impact the torque ratio?
@ironside511 8 ай бұрын
😮
@troyewing3188 2 жыл бұрын
The jackshaft Was the 1st thing I got rid of I guess the torque converter works better on tall tires and I have a 40 tooth sprocket coming in the mail I will let you know what my top speed will be
@Deucealive75 Жыл бұрын
Yeah what's your top speed with the 40 tooth?
@timsolomon8352 Жыл бұрын
Kind of new to this, but you mentioned several times about the clutch sprocket, switching from 40 to 35, and then mentioned something about the drive sprocket being 40 or 50T.... ummm isn't the #35 like the pitch and such, and wouldn't you need to chain the chain and rear sprocket to those specs? Or will they work together? Like #35 or 420 or 428? I just thought it all had to be the same "not the number of teeth" obviously.
@Black66 Жыл бұрын
We do many gear ratio changes in the Coleman CT200U-EX playlist.
@mattl7345 2 жыл бұрын
Do you by chance know what bolt size I need to go into the shaft on a predator 212 with doing a torture converter?
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, here is the link www.amazon.com/30-Torque-Converter-Mounting-Bolts/dp/B0842DML4G
@joshuahoward4962 2 жыл бұрын
I was looking at the adapters on Amazon and some people are saying they won’t work because the drivers for the torque converter already have a key made into them. Maybe they had different torque converters? I thought all the cheaper ones would be the same.
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
I have used both with no problems.
@vato2000taco Жыл бұрын
Sounded like it kept it in the lower rpm range which will last longer as well
@Black66 Жыл бұрын
Maybe... I have many different set ups with this bike. Check out the CT200U-ex playlist. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jpaDoKSLr5zVh2w.html
@neighborhoodcrime148 2 жыл бұрын
I just installed mine took it out for a test drive. It sheared the bolt Pulley came out flying and hit my leg haha shit hurt. Ganna get a stronger bolt
@spencerjohnson1499 Жыл бұрын
Im curious to see the differences when doing a serious hill climb im debating whether to get a cvt torque coverter or just a bigger rear sprocket like a 72 tooth
@Black66 Жыл бұрын
I think a torque converter would be better for a serious hill climb because the low range and high range ratio changes as RPM increases. Also, Hills would be hard on a clutch.
@spencerjohnson1499 Жыл бұрын
@@Black66 so a torque converter and a 60 tooth rear sprocket? Heh heh sounds like a plan. I use my bike for scouting and hunting in pretty serious terrain
@GoodFellasMiniBikez-GFMB Жыл бұрын
i swear you had a video on how to install your torque converter with the jackshaft mounting plate but i can’t find it 😩
@jacksonclar9130 2 жыл бұрын
What did you use for extra chain u bought another one or extra from sprocket
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
You can buy different lengths from sellers on ebay . I use a chain breaker to splice it together.
@Atv_Donut Жыл бұрын
Hey I was wondering I order the same 5/8 to 3/4 adapter and mine is longer than the urs so now it’s hanging about a inch extra from the 5/8 one
@Black66 Жыл бұрын
Thats ok. As long as the driver goes on its all good. You can always cut the excess off.
@cesarborunda5224 Жыл бұрын
Hey I’m new to mIni bikes I just installed a torque converter on a stock 212 predator and I feel like I gained no speed at all I’m using a 10t and the stock 50t on Coleman ct200u EX with the stock chain can h give me any advice pls
@hellheart1993 2 жыл бұрын
That's crazy. I tried to change my shaft to a 1 bore using the adapter 3/4 - 1 inch adapter and I couldn't get it to work out
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
I have never tried the 3/4 to 1-inch adapter. Only the 5/8 to 3/4, or technically the 16MM to 3/4 adapter.
@l.a.m7645 2 жыл бұрын
Next video do a before an after on torque converter red spring with green spring
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Ill have to do that video.
@l.a.m7645 2 жыл бұрын
@@Black66 I'm curious to see how much top speed it makes and 0-30
@Deucealive75 2 жыл бұрын
I tried the green spring and didn't like it. The belt shifts too soon. 0-30 was much slower. Didn't even bother with a top speed run. I run the yellow spring in the tightest hole.
@GreenMountainGoldTrap 2 жыл бұрын
😮Damn! 50mph?👍 What did you do, remove the gov? We modded mine and it tops out at 31mph. Have the torque converter and will be installing it this spring.
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
That torque converter will be a nice upgrade. Ya, It has quite a few different mods. Check out the playlist kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jpaDoKSLr5zVh2w.html
@GreenMountainGoldTrap 2 жыл бұрын
@@Black66 Very cool! However, I don't dare remove the gov. A friend of mine was a top notch mechanic and advised not to do it. Said it could eventually damage the engine.
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
@@GreenMountainGoldTrap It will be fine with the governor removed on a stock internal 196 .
@Proto2011Rail 2 жыл бұрын
@@Black66 i have a stock 196, I was worried that bypassing the gov would cause issues with the flywheel according to KZfaq experts lol. Im looking into upgrading to the torque converter and mikuni carb. Do you recommend removing the gov ??
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
@@Proto2011Rail Its always best to upgrade the flywheel if you remove the governor. I cant recommend not changing out the flywheel . With that being said I haven't changed out the flywheel or even cracked the case open to remove the nylon governor wheel in this one. It basically has been a test engine this last year or so to test different Combos and longevity. I've had zero issues with it so far... Check out the CT200U-EX playlist kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jpaDoKSLr5zVh2w.html
@haydenmathias3982 2 жыл бұрын
does the riser let the engine still fit in the frame if you still have the gas tank on it
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, Check out the playlist for this bike. It has had many different combos. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jpaDoKSLr5zVh2w.html
@daxhammon5609 2 жыл бұрын
Did the stock gas tank not work with the carburetor?
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the stock tank will work with the VM22
@dabtech7456 2 жыл бұрын
Where did you buy the oil drain extension?
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
At DIYperformance1 on eBay
@curtisbrown5254 2 жыл бұрын
Think you can run a short header pipe on that torque converter setup?
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Ya, I think so
@marjuspjeci4097 5 ай бұрын
hi, I also fitted the same kit, when I walk 2 km I touch the belt and it overheats why?? yours is the same i.e. does it overheat??? or is it normal??
@minibikemadman 11 ай бұрын
what torque converter kit is this? I've always been a old skewl centrifugal clutch guy.
@Black66 11 ай бұрын
I have done so many videos it's hard to remember a given part on a given bike at this point. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist for many more videos and combos on this bike. I list a lot of the parts in the description of the videos. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jpaDoKSLr5zVh2w.html
@lisaharger3235 26 күн бұрын
Which motor is that? I'm new to this but my next mini I'm putting a torque converter on.
@Black66 26 күн бұрын
196, Watch the CT200U-EX, CT200U, and the B200 playlist. They show many different mods to make the bike faster. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b7qbYNdinLORp6s.html
@NBProductions2023 2 жыл бұрын
Hey boss where did you get your chain breaker
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
ARC racing. Here is the link www.arcracing.com/3720-arc-35-chain-break/
@zackmackey5894 Жыл бұрын
I bought exactly everything you have and same mini bike I bought the crankshaft adapter and it went on fine with a hammer but when I put the pully that goes on the crankshaft it Dosent wanna go on I greased it up and everything and still can’t get it on please help
@Black66 Жыл бұрын
Maybe fire it up and run some emery cloth over the shaft . Sometimes they get some burs and high spots on there from pounding it on.
@Proto2011Rail 2 жыл бұрын
Does this bike have the governor removed or just stage 1 ?
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the external governor linkage is removed. All the stock linkage comes off when you install a slide carb.
@trashoperator9278 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen a couple of videos of other guys on youtube doing a jackshaft delete, and just running straight chain to clutch. What's the pros and cons of doing so? Will that affect torque?
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it will slow it down as far as quickness but you gain a bunch of top end. Not sure if you have seen my video on this but the bike hits over 60 MPH without the jack shaft and a 212.
@trashoperator9278 2 жыл бұрын
@@Black66 Thanks for the relpy. I'll have to check it out. I have a CT-200U, the non-EX version. I'm guessing I should not straight chain it to keep the torque for off-road capabilities, like desert riding. Is this correct?
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
@@trashoperator9278 Yes, or maybe a torque converter. The bike will run in the 50's with a converter with the right combo and still have good low end torque.
@justinmarney6595 2 жыл бұрын
How are they running straight chain without moving the motor way over to the right-side to get the sprockets to align?
@trashoperator9278 2 жыл бұрын
@@justinmarney6595 I believe there's a spacer on the jack shaft.
@robertgibson2622 Жыл бұрын
Do any mechanic shops ever work on these for people and do stuff like that or do you just have to know someone?
@Black66 Жыл бұрын
I think places like Volts minibikes in L.A build stuff like this.
@bradcarpenter2396 2 жыл бұрын
Is the ct200uex faster with or without the jackshaft. Please advise. Black66
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Its faster with a straight chain, but it's not as quick getting up to speed.
@bradcarpenter2396 2 жыл бұрын
@@Black66 thank you, I enjoy watching your video's
@bradcarpenter2396 2 жыл бұрын
@@Black66 what app do you use to check speed, please.
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
@@bradcarpenter2396 I use digiHUD on my phone along with the camera GPS for top speed and a Dragy Performance meter for 0 to 30
@farmerdave7965 2 жыл бұрын
It's a death trap, it's a suicide rap We gotta get out while we're young 'Cause tramps like us, baby, we were born to run
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Bruce!!
@curtisbrown5254 2 жыл бұрын
It sounds like the RPMs run lower with the torque converter. If that's true, then it probably isn't necessary to upgrade the valve springs to 18lbs. What do you think?
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Ya, seems like they are pretty decent .
@Deucealive75 2 жыл бұрын
Curtis. A quick look at a speed calc suggests that with a TC and 40 tooth he was running 3200 RPM at 50 mph. If the bike were left this way there's no need for heavier valve springs. The 3200 RPM is what most get when they install a TC on a Coleman 200 with a mainly stock engine and gearing. Some of us have geared our bikes opposite of what you see here for higher RPM. As an example, I geared my bike for 30 mph and under trail riding with a TC and 9/60 sprockets. Yet, with a near stock 196 governed to 5K RPM I top the bike out on the road at 47 mph. With stock Coleman gearing I would lose at least 5 mph because there's more power (HP) at 4500 rpm+ to drive the load than at 3200 rpm.
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
@@Deucealive75 I have never upgraded valve springs on any of my coleman bikes. I have had them into the 50 MPH range with no internal modifications. They have a decent cam and spring package for a stock engine from the factory. With that being said on MY MB200 I have gained 8 MPH simply by changing out springs. I have a video coming on that. With all this being said. Just because something adds up on paper doesnt necessarily mean it always works out in real life.
@haydenmathias3982 2 жыл бұрын
the link for the Shaft adapter says it is unavailable and most all other adapters say hey dont fit right what do you think i should do
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Try this one www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZPX8TD6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
@bradcarpenter2396 Жыл бұрын
Hey Buddy, will a hisun 196cc head work on a predator 212cc. Please respond, thank you
@Black66 Жыл бұрын
Yes, it will
@bradcarpenter2396 Жыл бұрын
@@Black66 thank you
@lazyYTR Жыл бұрын
Where did you get your muffler
@TheBiliken 2 жыл бұрын
Could you share what Al has been done to the 196, governor removal, valve lash upgrade to how many lbs, jackshaft gear you switched to and I believe you said the rear gear was a 40. Mikuni vm22 carb, what else am I missing? 50 mph is awesome and the rpm’s sound so low like the engine is not wound all the way out
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
The engine mods are in the description. Running stock valve springs. it had a 10 for the driven gear in this video. This bike has had many different combs. Here is the playlist kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jpaDoKSLr5zVh2w.html
@xaviermccloud4586 2 жыл бұрын
@@Black66 a 12 would be faster correct?
@heathenprojects2639 2 жыл бұрын
@@xaviermccloud4586 yes on the warrior we use to put a other 18 tooth in shave rail to get it to fit buddy of mine won't use any thing but jack shaft has a stage 1 predator gov bypass bike does 58
@TheBiliken 2 жыл бұрын
@@Black66 thanks, with the mods you have done. Do you still have the same amount of torque as we take ours off road and don’t want to loose the torque.
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBiliken The torque converter makes up for the torque loss after going from a 50 rear sprocket to a 40
@wiillthebarbertv9415 Жыл бұрын
My headlight bracket broke at the welds while riding, have you ever had that happen??
@Black66 Жыл бұрын
No, not yet...
@AZ_striperider Ай бұрын
What size is the jackshaft mount bolts
@zakaijohnson9421 Жыл бұрын
how to u time the 0-30 i just installed a torque converter on my mini bike nd wanna see the time,i have a speedometer app
@Black66 Жыл бұрын
I use a Dragy performance meter for 0 to 30
@fatbuddycat 2 жыл бұрын
I love messing with my jackshaft on my 79cc doodlebug. Ahhhhh..... I love tweaking torque converters too though!! I go faster on jackshaft.......wait......what if you compare one of the super 30 series with a jackshaft?
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
That is a sweet Doodlebug you have there! One of my Favorites!
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
If you could send that Doodlebug to my house that would be greatly appreciated! LOL
@christopherburnssr1660 2 жыл бұрын
By any chance did you have to shorten the throttle cable as mine is getting stuck
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Check out the playlist on this bike. We have done all kinds of mods to it. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jpaDoKSLr5zVh2w.html
@christopherburnssr1660 2 жыл бұрын
Yes sir I've been following you for a few months now !! I started my build same as yours but I noticed after I put the mikuni carburetor on the throttle seems to jam up so I was wondering if it's best to trim it and re install the cable into the carburetor???
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
@@christopherburnssr1660 It shouldnt jam up even with the factory cable. If you cut the cable end about 2 1/4 sticking out and then solder an end on it . It should work .
@GoodFellasMiniBikez-GFMB 2 жыл бұрын
what’s your sprocket set up on this bike for the rear sprocket?
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Its running a 40 out back and a 10 on the driver
@GoodFellasMiniBikez-GFMB 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for the reply !
@thunderf4 2 жыл бұрын
What all did you do to that 196 engine? Stage 1, Stage 2?
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Check out the playlist on this bike. It shows all the mods kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jpaDoKSLr5zVh2w.html
@britny2311 2 жыл бұрын
I Have a stock motor and top speed is 35 mph but gear ratio is 6.25 ? what should my gear ratio be to get top speed
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure what type of bike you have or what the drive Sproket clutch sprocket or tire height is but if you drop that ratio down a little it should be faster. For example, if you are running a 12 tooth clutch and a 75 drive sprocket now, and swap the clutch out for a 15 tooth that would get you to a 5 to 1 ratio. Might be a little slower taking off but would get you more top speed.
@nicolec7290 2 жыл бұрын
Could you gain 6 mph just by gearing. Change a couple sprocket’s
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! Check out the CT200U-EX playlist. We gained performance with many different combos kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jpaDoKSLr5zVh2w.html
@glennguerra2326 Жыл бұрын
What ever you think would help me I’ll be happy to listen thank you
@curtisbrown5254 2 жыл бұрын
I just installed the same torque converter on my CT200U- EX and it's making my chain rattle like crazy. I cannot even get it going without the bike feeling like it's going to rattle apart. Any ideas as to what that could be?
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have the drive belt on the right way? There is a tapered side and a flat side
@curtisbrown5254 2 жыл бұрын
@@Black66 Yes. I have the tapered side facing out.
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
If the engine is tight and the chain is tensioned, sometimes the weights hang up in the driver. If you pull it off and use graphite dry lube in there it usually will smooth things out.
@curtisbrown5254 2 жыл бұрын
@@Black66 I figured out what it was. There were two small driver sprockets that came with the torque converter. I put the wrong one on (the teeth were too close together). The chain couldn't fully seat on the sprocket which caused the chain to skip/chatter. All is well now. Thanks for your help!
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
@@curtisbrown5254 Oh ok. Sounds like you installed the 35 chain sprocket instead of the 40
@williamburton8163 Жыл бұрын
The link to the riser Mount doesn't work anymore, does anyone have a link of something similar?
@Black66 Жыл бұрын
Riser mount link www.ebay.com/itm/155376939041
@williamburton8163 Жыл бұрын
Found one, thanks. After watching so many videos, you made this process way easier. I just posted another question, hopefully you can answer it
@ChrisJones-pc6tj 2 жыл бұрын
What carb setup are you running ?
@Black66 2 жыл бұрын
VM22 Here is the video of the carb swap kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mL6ChMmorau0lps.html
@troyewing3188 2 жыл бұрын
You should have asked that guy on the motorcycle to raise just joking
@skittzoeheartless2778 Жыл бұрын
My question is.... Does it climb better with the torque converter?
@Black66 Жыл бұрын
Yes it does.
@skittzoeheartless2778 Жыл бұрын
@@Black66 thank you. My bt200x really needs one then. My ct200u-ex. Is light enough to climb. My bt200x is heavy and needs help. I had my clutch glowing cherry red on my last ride
@Appalachian_Enduro Жыл бұрын
How much links did u need to add on
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