His views being labeled as unorthodox is quite a sign of where we are rn as a society. Goodness.

“Unorthodox views” Literally the mainstream liberal view a decade ago, now “far right” 😂😂😂

He is stating the obvious with magnificent clarity. What baffles me is how can so many people have a problem with what he is saying.

I adore Coleman Hughes. He's calmly rational in a frenetically radical world. He's exactly what we need right now.

Good conversation. Interviewer was balanced, didn't speak/argue over Coleman, and asked fair questions. More like this, PBS.

“Unorthodox views” - how we now describe any views that 80% of Americans agreed on until 2013

Coleman’s got the adrenaline control of a professional fighter. Unflappable no matter who he’s talking to.

Really glad to see Coleman on PBS! ❤

Brave of this progressive PBS to share the air with a good man.

This is the way forward.

Coleman Hughes has been one of my intellectual hero's for years now.

His views are not unorthodox. They’re shared by healthy majorities. They’re only unorthodox in elite media and academia bubbles.

I have been following Coleman for a few years. His main gift as a podcaster is to ask excellent questions, never get triggered by the angry, antagonistic guests, and come back with brilliant, measured, logical follow-ups. What he says makes perfect sense. I could never understand why children of Kanye West should have college admissions advantage over a poor white kid from rural Appalachia who is the first in the family to ever apply for college. Likewise, why would the CRT adepts never complain about disproportionate dominance of NBA players, who are paid way above average pay in the country.

Coleman Hughes' views are not unorthodox. It is the people who preach "diversity" who surround themselves with like minded people who can be open to diversity if thought.

Bravo to PBS for having this conversation with Coleman Hughes. This gives me hope for public media discourse.

Smart guy. We need more voices like him who are essentially calming forces in an environment of increasing madness an anxiety. I am sure he will continue to refine his ideas and hopefully gains more reach. IT would be really nice to see the melee of insane voices replaced by calm, thoughtful adults.

Great intellect and calm logic. History will soon show that he is absolutely right on this issue.

Congrats Coleman, you are the bomb. And Ms. Hoover always bringing the A game with questions and interviewees. Top notch.

Yes! Thank you for having such an insightful brilliant mind like Coleman on!

Thank you for OUTSTANDING program. Such great VALID presentation. Never ever seen such a great program. Thank you Margaret Hoover you are the BEST of the BEST beside being beautiful.

Clarity of thought and expression. So refreshing!

Coleman is one of the most impressive people I've heard, and to think how young he is. He'll have so many years of influence ahead

The irony of the intro!!! “A prominent black writer makes the case for a colorblind America”😂

Coleman is great. One thing I dislike in these types of interviews is the obsession with what MLK Jr thought. There's a lot of folks who want to go back and find quotes that imply that MLK was not actually in favor of color blindness. MLK was a great Civil Rights leader, but ideas need to be judged on their own merit, not on where they came from. The importance of the idea of judging people based on "their character and not the color of their skin" stands on its own regardless of who said it and what else they may have said or thought. In this particular case, that ideal became the motivating ideology of the Civil Rights movement, garnering support from vast numbers of Americans who believed in it. Years later, MLK may or may not have supported color blindness, but that doesn't change the fact that the idea of color blindness was the goal of the Civil Rights movement in America, and that many on the left have abandoned that goal.

"Holds unorthodox views". Is that what they are calling common sense nowadays?

It's crazy that colorblindness is now labeled an "unorthodox" view.

It is absolutely fucking baffling that PBS is placing the burden of proof on the guy advocating to treat individuals as individuals. The white woman insinuating throughout the 27-minute-long interview that the Black interviewee doesn't understand racism is all the evidence you need that modern anti-racism has tipped completely into absurdism.

Wow! PBS! Holy crap. I can’t believe they are hearing you out.

A man bringing some much needed ideas to our current climate, where discussions on the topic such as race, are immediately shot down as being "racist", or "harmful". Colemans experience with TED Talks is a prime example of this. Him simply speaking on this topic, caused a certain overly progressive and sensitive portion of the staff withinTed to say how unsafe his speech was to each of them. The BLM/DEI movement has become more about obtaining power and personal gain then it has in actually promoting diversity for all, most notably the underserved POC. Enriching overly educated and upper class African Americans? CHECK Helping poor African Americans to move upwards in society? NOPE. Patrice Colors great example for this in BLM funds, and these individuals saying to the underserved POC that you are to be a victim the rest of your life, and that no matter how hard you try, the white man and unseen forces, such as systemic racism will never allow you to succeed. So there is no reason to try, and instead take your anger out on society, you will never be any body in this world. Thats the current state of affairs, and we need people like Coleman Hughes, to push back agains the many destructive narratives out there, that are first and foremost hurting the people these many highly educated DEI types claim to want to help.

The irony of writing a book about color blindness and then being introduced as a black writer.

Coleman is fantastic. More sane people like him need to be platformed on PBS. For the record, his views are NOT unorthodox.

Yay Coleman! He is the best and such a wonderful light! 🌌

Coleman Hughes. National treasure. ❤

Coleman Hughes is why I watched the interview. The good interview is why I subscribed.

Good for you, PBS. So happy to see this!! Nice interview 👌

Coleman Hughes is brilliant! Thank you for hosting him on The Firing Line.

Coleman’s podcast is excellent.

“Unorthodox”? What is unorthodox about rational thinking?🙄

Kudos to FL for having him on.

Unorthodox? Makes perfect sense to me.

Common Sense from Mr. Hughes.

Very calm and patient. It's important to have difficult conversations at a low temperature and that's why it's important someone like Coleman is presenting this argument. And he's not even asking for anything radical. He's just saying let's go back to ideas about race in America from the Civil rights era.

IT'S NOT UNORTHODOX. These people...

Coleman rocks!!

As always, Coleman is the voice of reason that cuts truth through the grifters and charlatans with data and objective facts.

I really like Coleman and as my intellectual heroes get older, get sick and die (Hitchens, Krauthammer, etc), I'm glad people like him will carry the torch. Also, miss Margaret from the O'Reilly Factor days.

Found Coleman on Glenn and John’s show during Covid. I am hopeful for his generation!

can't wait to see how PBS spins Colman's POV

13:29 This difference between Coleman and Kendi is about 100 IQ points.

This is a great interview. I appreciate Margaret Hoover's intelligent and inquisitive interview method. good job.

Coleman …keep going …I know you get a lot of flack but , it’s very important for our youth 💯

The way Coleman misrepresents CRT shows his dishonesty. Crenshaw, would never agree with his definition and she was instrumental in CRT scholarship.

"A prominent writer and thinker" would have been a more accurate intro.

Love Coleman Hughes. The grounding in the actual writing of MLK is refreshing. He’s an outstanding interviewer as well … I’ve enjoyed interviews he’s conducted on his own channel.

Can we take a moment to appreciate Margaret Hoover? She asks intelligent, pertinent questions, then lets her guest answer them. Clearly understand the topic; just as clearly has no personal agenda.

One question. Since when were classed based policies the ideology of conservatives? Coleman isn’t appealing to conservatives. He’s appealing to liberals.

Just logged in to say again how much I value Coleman! I'm not even American, but his views on things have affected my own, and I appreciate his intellectual honesty and approach for conversation. Also would like to say that the interviewer here was great in my opinion. Presented solid objections to what Coleman was saying, and at the same time was respectful and listened to his responses.

Except for Ms Hoover's smirking, it was a much better left-sourced interview than any in memory. Her actual words were just fine. She is a good white interviewer (she said Coleman is a black author). Thank you!

One of my heroes. Bravo, Coleman.

We’ve had a Black president, a Black singer has the hit country song and there are almost as many TV news anchors of color as there are white. There will always be a segment of the population that are racist or misogynist, but aren’t we past the period where we need identity politics or race based policies? We would be much healthier as a society if we united against the obscene wealth inequality and asked why, in such a rich, technologically advanced country as ours, more than half of working AMERICANS cannot afford a serious illness even with health insurance or a $500 emergency.

We're proud of you Coleman 💪💪 Keep doing your thing man.

I'm so happy to see Coleman and common sense, calm, reasonable conversation getting some air, and air time. Claiming that his views are unorthodox is concerning.

"Unorthodox" said the benevolent white lady to describe the rational black man.

The mark of an outstanding intellectual isn't just the depth of his/her intellect but also the ability to explain it with exceptional clarity. Coleman is one in a million.

Excellent interview. Thank you.

PBS has taken a lot of heat lately, which I honestly support, but I still want the organization to succeed. This interview is a great example of presenting reasonable viewpoints fairly even if they're unpopular with ardent progressives.

A decent and intelligent young man.

If you’re truly interested in this topic (helping people) and are honest, this is the logical conclusion.

I've got a perfect example of DEI: hiring a hole in the air like Margaret Hoover to host William F. Buckley's show.

PBS putting in the narrative before it even begins, “unorthodox views”. 🤦‍♂️

“PROMINENT BLACK WRITER” why not just prominent writer?

This was great! Thank you!

Seeing some disparities as a sign of racism at least makes partial sense in light of the historic treatment of black folks in American. I mean, to think the racial wealth gap (black households on average have 1/8th the wealth of white households) isn't at least IN PART due to one group having a 400 year head start over the other would be willfully ignorant.

I’m impressed that Firing Line even interviewed Coleman. Kendi flatly refuses to even debate Coleman under the guise of not allowing credence to Coleman’s argument, when in reality, Kendi realizes that his argument and hypothesis folds under rigorous scrutiny and undermines his role as a high priest woke morality.

Pretty awesome that PBS had their entire audience live in studio to observe this conversation.

Love Coleman, been listening to him for many years, I subscribe to his podcast and I’m so excited to see him breaking into mainstream venues like this!

You guys have got to start doing longer format interviews than you’re doing

His point makes too much sense for educated elites to ever agree with. Argument & division sells. Simpin’ ain’t easy.

Agreeing with Martin Luther King makes you conservative, I guess. What he's talking about is actual equality - on the books and in our hearts. And we strive to build something better than what has been handed to us by deciding that we have no enemies - that we in fact will use the better part of our natures to enact change. And we do so by eliminating the worst forms of poverty in this country - through better policy and more responsive governments. We lift all boats.

Lol getting to watch a Conversation with Coleman with this goofy awesome lady interviewing him, so proud of this kid.

Great conversation. Cheers!

So calm and articulate.

We need more sane and thoughtful people like this guy

Certainly some people listening to Coleman here are having their little PBS/NPR ideological bubble pop right before their eyes. Let's have a moment of silence for the death of their white guilt... Amen.

Unorthodox = rational, non elitist

Just read MLK's Where do we go from here? Amazing book that will have tears in your eyes every page.

Well-done by both of y'all. I prefer #ColorNeutral

Such an articulate young man. Has giving me a lot to think about. 🙏🏼

More of this! Coleman Hughes is the voice of sanity we need to prevail in this world.

CRT obviates the need for any thought, word or act of racism as proof of their presumed verdict. All they need is their preferred race measuring less favorably than another. Regardless of the cause: they declare their favored race to be victims of the other. Then they would use real government enforced discrimination in response to their presumed discrimination; altering laws, policies and practices to favor their preferred race. All for the stated purpose of forcibly making the measurements between races identical. The operative question is whether you support using government force to implement racial discrimination. All the rest is academic. My answer is no.

I agree that our society should work towards colorblindness

I agree with Coleman that Republicans claiming that an elected official is the product of DEI is false due to the nature of running for office. Fair play in principle anyway. However, I listened to a guest on 'Heretics' podcast hosted by Andrew Gold, Aaron Smith-Levin. He was a Democrat who sought to run for city council in Clearwater, FL. He was told by his local Democratic Party that they were not endorsing any white candidates, so he registered Republican to run. Anyway, it's definitely something to keep an eye on. It's not surprising at all and hardly even newsworthy. Democrats are determined to enforce DEI logic into every sphere they can imo. We saw this of course, with the most recent Supreme Court appointment. Biden proudly asserting that only African American women would be considered. Forget about white tears, many people have pointed out how this eliminates consideration from every other minority group, even African American men. It's not like Asian Americans or Hispanic voters don't think this through. What about fair play for their children? Even the term 'BIPOC' clearly prioritizes two minority groups over all others. Intersectionaltiy fuels friction and resentment in our increasingly multicultural society. It shouldn't be a surprise that we're seeing a significant shift in support for Republicans coming from minority voters. DEI is just one of many issues on the Dem platform that a majority is rejecting imo.

In the first 15 seconds: "unorthodox views." PBS, this is why people are mad at you, and at NPR. His views are not unorthodox. *You* hold the strange, unorthodox views

Who does not find this argument completely obvious? Oh yea, the kkk that’s who. Oh, and Coates and Kennedy, and Degangelo

He is one of the reasons I will watch a PBS interview. I have great respect for Coleman. As for PBS... well...

Now that was a really fair interview.

I agree with his definition and aspirations for "Colorblindness" 1000%. If the Left returned to this definition, then we'd make monumental strides in race relations because that is where the majority of the Right and right voters largely sit on the issue. They'd be philosophically aligned on the topic and everyone would win. The disparities in this country are socioeconomically based. Work on solutions based on the socioeconomic foundations of the argument and we lift the entire society.

This should've been 30 mins longer. I feel like they cut some of his answers right down to a frustrating degree

Wow, he explained that really well. Made sense.

I’m surprised liberal pbs gave him a fair shot, nice to see Coleman is such a bright mind