College Football History: Why Hasn’t Notre Dame Joined The Big Ten?

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Notre Dame has remained independent in football despite numerous changes in college sports, such as NIL and conference realignments. Historically, Notre Dame was denied entrance into the Big Ten four times, which significantly influenced their decision to stay independent.
These denials were partly due to early 20th-century anti-Catholic sentiment and academic snobbery from Big Ten schools, which viewed Notre Dame's religious affiliation and smaller academic stature with contempt. Notre Dame's first rejection came in 1895 because their academic division was deemed inadequate, leading to adjustments in their athletic policies in hopes of acceptance. Despite aligning more closely with Big Ten standards, they were rejected again in 1908, primarily due to Michigan's influence and prejudice against Catholic education.
Michigan's withdrawal from the Big Ten in 1908 presented another opportunity for Notre Dame, but the attempt failed again due to academic and religious biases. Notre Dame's rivalry with Michigan, especially under coach Fielding Yost, further complicated their relationship with the Big Ten. Michigan and other Big Ten schools viewed Notre Dame's success and independence with suspicion, spreading rumors about their athletic practices.
By 1913, Notre Dame had grown its student body and athletic program, leading to another application to the Big Ten, which was again denied due to accusations of systematic cheating and lack of faculty control. This rejection solidified Notre Dame's commitment to independence and a national schedule, leading to significant games like the 1913 victory over Army, which helped elevate their national prominence.
The societal context of anti-Catholic sentiment during the early 20th century, including the rise of the Ku Klux Klan and widespread discrimination, further fueled Notre Dame's outsider status. Notably, in 1924, Notre Dame students clashed with the Klan, showcasing the intense religious and cultural conflicts of the time.
In 1926, Notre Dame's final attempt to join the Big Ten was thwarted by internal Big Ten politics and lingering biases. Coaches like Amos Alonzo Stagg and Fielding Yost opposed their membership, citing unfair athletic advantages and reinforcing negative stereotypes about Notre Dame's program.
Ultimately, these historical rejections and cultural biases have contributed to Notre Dame's enduring independence in football, a status they maintain to this day amidst ongoing changes in the college sports landscape.
00:00 Introduction
01:29 1908
04:26 1908
11:22 1913
13:39 Culture War
20:45 1926 - One Last Time
24:35 Conclusion
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@4horsemenpodcast Ай бұрын

Great video. I have one point to make from the start of your video: Notre Dame was admitted into the AAU in 2023.

@daverounds Ай бұрын

That jumped out immediately to me also.

@CollegeFootballHistory Ай бұрын

Oh good lord. Of all the things I double-checked and I miss that.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

Relative to other candidates, an unworthy invite. This suggests prepping to join the B1G down the line (along with MIAMI).

@exomake_mehorololo Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406It has nothing to do with being able to get get transfer players before they're graduated ?

@Revolver1701 Ай бұрын

I’m old. I may forgive a slight but I will never forget it. If I’m insulted a second time by the same person then it’s on, so ND being repeatedly insulted and besmirched by the so-called “Big 10” should not be forgotten. Hell, I live in the South and I know people who are filled with rage over the civil war and that was over 150 years ago and that is obviously not the same people but it is the same old hate.

@batape1965 Ай бұрын

No one can nurse a slight from 100 years ago like a Notre Dame fan.

@exomake_mehorololo Ай бұрын

@@batape1965but it's not just 100 years ago. Shit went down very recently

@hughcorrigan3265 Ай бұрын

I remember some time ago you promising this video. Well it is finally here and you delivered big time . Well done. I look forward to the Yost, Rockne rivalry video.

@jacobduncan2142 Ай бұрын

I just found this video and your channel. What a well made essay! I'm glad I stumbled across your content. I hope you get the subscriber and viewer growth you absolutely deserve.

@jimhattery4348 Ай бұрын

Outstanding video!

@harwoodcarnal8523 Ай бұрын

Simply magnificent work. Thank you!

@scottduke2809 Ай бұрын

cool video. Nebraska fans are really great! Can't wait to start a conference rivalry with y'all... GO DUCKS!

@DJ7mph Ай бұрын

Great video.

@ByronEarnheart Ай бұрын

Great video. Still want to see a video about Gen Neyland

@CollegeFootballHistory Ай бұрын

Noted!

@rockymeza Ай бұрын

Great video!

@CollegeFootballHistory Ай бұрын

Thank you!

@royveteto4134 Ай бұрын

how about do a video on why the university of chicago dropped football

@danielwade1978 Ай бұрын

Thank you so much for this! I appreciate you. Go Irish ☘️

@ndmmt-wu7kz Ай бұрын

Someone finally did his homework and got it right….

@jmp1262 Ай бұрын

The only time I ever saw fights in the big house among fans was when ND came to town. 1977-86.

@steveharris7323 11 күн бұрын

Thanks for a wonderful channel! One point to make, though. The first athletic conference was The Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association in 1892. The SIAA pre dated The Western Conference (Big Ten) by three years and the NCAA (1906) by fourteen years. The SIAA is now defunct but it was the "ancestor" of The SoCon, SEC and ACC as many of the member schools of those conferences were once members of The SIAA.

@CollegeFootballHistory 8 күн бұрын

Thank you for pointing this out......

@EyeOfTheWatcher Ай бұрын

interesting, i only knew of one time they was denied entry into the big 10. Great video. Question: if the ACC falls apart, where do you think Notre Dame will end up for the other sports outside of football?

@CollegeFootballHistory Ай бұрын

I can imagine that Notre Dame will be forced into the Big Ten. I don't think they'll do it until they're absolutely forced to do so, however. And maybe it will take turnover of a generation in leadership.

@iambergeson Ай бұрын

This is cool! You should do a video on South Carolina leaving the ACC

@exomake_mehorololo Ай бұрын

Lots of drama there

@ASMRPeople Ай бұрын

I guess they went to kokomo to get away from it all.

@ericbosken3114 Ай бұрын

They got there fast and then they took it slow.

@jeremymiller6933 Ай бұрын

The ND/MIchigan feud goes back farther than Yost and Rockne, but that rivalry was the final nail in the coffin. It caused the Big10 to boycott ND. It was said that many times when ND traveled to Nebraska, and other places in the Midwest, that the KKK was at the train stations as well to "welcome" them. Another reason ND had to go more national. I don't think the TV money means that much to Notre Dame as it does with State U. It's more about having a guarantee that the home games get a national audience to the alum and subway alum. It's not mentioned often, but ND is a small school with an absolutely insane endowment around $20B. Unlike a lot of state schools that need the football team's revenue to fund much of the university, ND does not. I am sure if ND dropped the football team, some of that endowment might disappear in the future. Joining a conference might do the same. Would you trade potential billions for a few million in TV money? Aside from the sour history with the Big10, it has been said that most of the conference is made up of state funded research instituions that all vote the same way. Before the great expansions, Northwestern and Chicago told ND, that instead of being outvoted 11-2 on every vote, that with ND they would just get outvoted 11-3. As long as ND can survive as an independent and conduct their school in the way that they see fit, they will do so. With that amount of money in their coffers, they can afford to hold out. The TV money is irrelevant to them. (Not that they don't want it)

@carloscodina1717 Ай бұрын

I've been a Notre Dame hater all my life despite going to Catholic school. Not the institution but the Football team because I went to USC. I've always respected them and now even more after knowing this history with the BIG 10 and the KKK. However, I'm still a big USC fan. Good luck Notre Dame but not againt us...HAHAHA. Thanks for the video.

@scottismail6311 Ай бұрын

Great Video - Thanks for doing the research. I can only hope more than a few people will see this and finally begin to understand the history and how we got to where we are. Such a wonderful irony that big bad Michigan, doing everything it could to squash upstart Notre Dame actually helped create the powerhouse they are today by forcing them to travel across the country to play Army, USC, Texas, Etc.....just beautiful. Go Irish.

@ctafrance Ай бұрын

Notre Dame has a losing record against Michigan and, to a lesser extent, against Ohio State and Nebraska (the latter not being in the Big Ten when Notre Dame played them). Maybe Notre Dame doesn't want to join the Big Ten because it doesn't feel like having to lose to Michigan more often? hahaha

@Redmenace96 Ай бұрын

Anti-Catholic abuse was real. The Klan being huge in Indiana was real. Could it also be true that ND was fast and loose with eligibility rules, and recruitment? I'm saying, can both things be true?

@CollegeFootballHistory Ай бұрын

Rockne was known to cut some corners. George Gipp, for example, didn't attend classes all the time and was known to bet on his own games.

@royveteto4134 Ай бұрын

would you do a video on davey obrien . all i know of him is the award named after him.

@CollegeFootballHistory Ай бұрын

Thank you!

@terryfox9344 Ай бұрын

Thank you for this exceptionally well done video. I have tried to explain to people that there are very real and powerful reasons for Notre Dame's reluctance to join the B1G. Alas, I have done a poor job as I don't think that I have been believed. Perhaps people will believe the newspaper accounts, especially those from Michigan.

@TheEndZone4 Ай бұрын

Have you thought about doing a video on the history of Syracuse and Ben Schwartwalder? The rise and fall of the program due to racial and other tensions is very interesting.

@flpndrox Ай бұрын

Weirdly ND is part of the Big Ten in Hockey. As an Alum that feels very weird and uncomfortable.

@caseysmith544 Ай бұрын

Because every other sport is D1 in the same Summit league as now USD and SDSU, a team in Missouri and several others. Also odd is ND stadium was allowed to keep in some parts Old Fighting Sioux logo because of threats of a Pro who once played for NHL and paid for 75% of building using some of his sponsorships he had near very end of season, he would demolish Building if anything changed besides repairs at any time which was went including in middle of a game as per how legal people on both sides who read documents interpreted clause during changeover. So, they faked needing repairs on old synthetic ice below the ice being replaced and faked needing repairs on seats so a new logo can be put on yet on granite in parts old logos are on for good as is too costly to change for now. Because of a sponsor team has to use X brand of hockey stick manufacture/designer as well as pads and skates from same brand and lucky as Nike has dropped from Hockey equipment other then Jerzys.

@flpndrox Ай бұрын

@@caseysmith544 that's UND.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@caseysmith544 Huh? ND's hockey is in the B1G because the ACC doesn't sponsor hockey and the B1G agreed to the associate membership.

@patrickturner4581 Ай бұрын

A great history of Notre Dame football. The Fighting Irish will never join the Big Ten, because of they did join they would be passively accepting the injustices of the past.

@michaelmorris6406 Ай бұрын

John that was an amazing video. I'm from South bend and I'm Catholic. In my religion is part of my essence, it's part of me. And when somebody hates it. They hate me. And how do you face somebody who hates you. You never trust them. Notre Dame's been hated for a long time. People still hate us for all different kinds of reasons. More than any other college. So if you're from another university trying to tell us to do this and do that. Because you're coming from a place of hate. We will never trust you. We don't need other universities . Or their fans .We just need each other. So I hope we always stay independent. Thank you John.

@Tubeite Ай бұрын

Aren't Christians supposed to forgive their enemies?

@michaelmorris6406 Ай бұрын

@@Tubeite of course we forgive them for hating us. But we don't forgive them for doing hateful things to us. There's a difference.

@harrisonburger9355 Ай бұрын

Not condoning stupidly hateful behavior toward ND, now or in the past. I will note another school whose fans say similar things about being hated by everyone for religious reasons. That would be BYU.

@romanmoronie Ай бұрын

50/50 fact and bullshit. I live in the area too and have done work for many ND clients still living here. Some are major donors. All good guys and we have fun ribbing each other as I'm a Michigan grad At this point it's mainly stubborness with with ND though personally I could give a rip one way or the other. But I do find it curious that ND stooped to joining the Big 10 in hockey. There are other good conferences in the midwest, so why the Big 10? Could it be that the Big 10 teams have the highest draws with highest ticket prices nationally in that sport? Nah. ND is too pure to a make a decision like that based on financial success. My ass. Do I need to point out the hypocrisy?

@michaelmorris6406 Ай бұрын

@@romanmoronie for not giving a rip you sure got a lot to say. But that sounds like a Michigan fan. This is the reason Notre Dame doesn't want to join the Big ten cuz of Michigan. You don't have half the fan base as Notre Dame. You don't pull near the TV revenue that Notre Dame does. Just sounds like a bunch of cry baby jealousy to me. Just like always. Cheaters and cry babies. Never going to change.

@nathaniellathy6559 Ай бұрын

Gerry Faust made Notre Dame less attractive to Big Ten. Post Lou Holtz the program hasn't been as prominent.

@royveteto4134 Ай бұрын

i found the anti catholic portion of this episode intriguing . would you consider doing a video on catholic schools basketball programs in the 1920's for it seemed like for a while that the basketball programs at catholic schools were top notch and i wonder if the klan went after them

@CollegeFootballHistory Ай бұрын

I'll probably be sticking to college football for a long while because there's a lot to cover.

@voiceofreason2674 Ай бұрын

Notre Dame being independent adds to the unique fabric of college football. When we play them i call them Slowtre Dame but i do have a lot of respect for them. Especially how they will take on anybody

@batape1965 Ай бұрын

Although they are both blue bloods and their campuses are reasonably close, ND and Ohio State have scheduled VERY few games over the years. For the most part, they have successfully ducked one another.

@voiceofreason2674 Ай бұрын

@@batape1965 everybody ducks the other top guys except for maybe one a year. Because the truth is filling a stadium with 80k+ is difficult when ur team might lose. We all like to see our teams win. Notre Dame especially, and Ohio State are both fairly brave when it comes to scheduling the best teams. Especially the southern schools that some teams completely avoid. Notre Dames never been afraid to go to an SEC school at night. It's badazz

@batape1965 Ай бұрын

@@voiceofreason2674 Texas A&M is a good game, but more than offset by playing only 8 P4 teams this upcoming season. Soft schedule.

@batape1965 Ай бұрын

@@voiceofreason2674 But ND has been reluctant to schedule Ohio State (and vice versa) over the years. Both guilty of ducking in this instance.

@CarlaJenkinsTV Ай бұрын

As an Ohioan, no they do not. They haven't won anything since 1988 yet NBC Sports is paying them the same $50 million that ESPN is paying Alabama. Notre Dame knows that life would be much easier in the Big 10 but we don't need them over here.

@matthewg7887 Ай бұрын

Great video! Just a tip, it’s pronounced like Noder Dame not Notra Dame.

@goodmaro Ай бұрын

I don't know about *then* , but at least *now* NDU has an academic reputation that would make such accusations laughable.

@connercoughran4677 Ай бұрын

it seems it was more a perception about Catholic schools at the time

@batape1965 Ай бұрын

@@connercoughran4677 What percentage of classes had to do with studying the Catholic religion at Catholic schools? Perhaps that was the basis of the perception. In the present day, if the University of Virginia looks down its nose at the academics of Liberty, is that due to religious bias or is it because a Liberty education is second rate?

@exomake_mehorololo Ай бұрын

@@batape1965😂if you want to know the basis for this which is clear cut religious discrimination study the history of the colonies and Catholics being denied the basic rights of other colonists and also being persecuted. A lot more than oppression of African Americans went on in the olden days. Catholic immigrants were treated like dirt too including being sold as slaves themselves

@ryanbrown7894 Ай бұрын

NDU?

@goodmaro Ай бұрын

@@ryanbrown7894 Notre Dame University. Probably should've written UND, but isn't that University of North Dakota? I used to get a TV station out of South Bend, WNDU.

@terencebaca1990 Ай бұрын

2027: Phase 1 of the ESPN Super League w/ unequal revenue sharing: - Florida State - Clemson - Miami - North Carolina - Virginia - Stanford - Cal - Utah - Colorado - Arizona State - * Independent Notre Dame enters into scheduling agreement with the new Super League

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

Sorry...but ND will join the B1G upon one of two triggers: a) The revenue gap begins to threaten competitiveness or b) Access to the top-level playoff is at material risk. Given where we are headed, ND has chosen to join the B1G tomorrow rather than joining the ACC yesterday. No ND official wants to be the one who is forced to make that move, so it delays while its options narrow. Assuming that the SEC would have no interest and acknowledging that ND isn't really football indy now due to its ACC entanglements, ND has now lost the BIG12, PAC and effectively the ACC as options, leaving only the B1G.

@CollegeFootballHistory Ай бұрын

Good points. Do you think it will take new leadership at Notre Dame to make the jump?

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@CollegeFootballHistory It will take either: a) The revenue gap begins to threaten competitiveness, or b) Access to the top-level playoff is at material risk. Reality doesn't wait for leadership.

@bryanvogt6702 Ай бұрын

Great synopsis. ND will likely form a conference from whatever is left of the ACC and whoever else is left out of the next Conference Realignment. As quasi-members of the ACC, they strongly influenced invitations for Cal, Stanford, and SMU to join the ACC. Why? Because ND wants to continue having West Coast rivals and season-ending games in California. They also want to continue playing in Texas frequently. Much like UTexas ran old the Southwest Conference, ND will run this new conference. It will be interesting to see how much support they get from Comcast/NBC in this regard, since Comcast/NBC has just committed big $$$ to the B1G. Perhaps ESPN will step in?

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

ND's goal is to keep ACC depletion lite so that it stays relevant so that the SEC/B1G can't separate for a separate playoff. That will likely only delay the inevitable. ND would have been better off joining the ACC to save as a peer Tier 1 rather that your prediction.

@bryanvogt6702 Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 Their arrogance, their irrelevance

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@bryanvogt6702 Why are ND's unique preferences the result of arrogance?

@bryanvogt6702 Ай бұрын

@@tarheel7406 They wish to be perceived as controlling their own destiny

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@bryanvogt6702 That's not really an answer. Maybe that sates the uninformed ND fan, but ND crossed its event horizon when it elected to not join the ACC for a P3 world in favor of being later forced to join the P2 B1G. ND's brand is all football and being indy. That brand may not survive full conference membership anywhere, so perhaps why not ride it out for as long as possible.

@dacokc Ай бұрын

i can't wait till notre dame is 12-0 the only undefeated, and the best seating they get in the new playoff is 5th and miss the first round bye.

@jasonjackson1100 Ай бұрын

Notre Dame can be an independent... But with no USC no Big ten teams no SEC teams to play... How are they going to get in 85 million dollar TV contract... Notre Dame against Duke. Vanderbilt. Central Michigan ain't gonna cut it

@GBU61 28 күн бұрын

College football is headed toward a time when conferences will no longer be relevant. When the B10 and SEC decide to pull away we will see some of the B12 and ACC join them into a new organization of top flight football. At that point ND will join but maintain its own scheduling flexibility.

@cjpreach 25 күн бұрын

ND can hold a grudge for being refused FOUR TIMES in the past, but $$$$$$$$ may influence their thinking one day . Who knows? Maybe they still have an opportunity to join THE B1G.

@michaeltalley51 Ай бұрын

There's about to be four super conferences, and Notre Dame will be in one of them.

@CollegeFootballHistory Ай бұрын

You are likely correct.......

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

Nope... A tiered P4 or a P2.

@danielwade1978 Ай бұрын

Even if every college football fan knew our history the dislike would remain. Why? I consider my own disdain for Michigan and whether I’d ever let it go. Nope. Yost was a deuche bag and I think Harbaugh was a cheater and a crybaby. It brings warmth to my heart knowing that last years validity will always be talked about. By every college football fan. 😏

@lindencamelback2305 Ай бұрын

Notre Dame may be forced to join the B1G by market forces, but only by kicking and screaming. Based on what they suffered from the B1G, who can blame them?

@CarlaJenkinsTV Ай бұрын

The Big 10 isn't paying YOU $50 million. That's the same amount Alabama gets from ESPN and they've won 7 national championships since 1988. The Big 10 is the richest conference because we don't take on water (Notre Dame).

@ericbosken3114 Ай бұрын

During my senior year, ND was being courted heavily by the B1G. Some of my hallmates hung a makeshift banner saying, "No Big 10" from their windows facing the South Quad, and it was even shown on College GameDay. Our opposition was around 20% philosophical and 80% television contract. My attitude has shifted since then, as I see the B1G as the only viable alternative to joining the increasingly irrelevant ACC for football.

@CarlaJenkinsTV Ай бұрын

Nah as an Ohio State fan, stay over there. I don't need Notre Dame fans swearing they're 'just like OSU' when they haven't won anything since 1988 but want to get paid the same $50 million as Alabama and Georgia.

@myfootballjesus Ай бұрын

why was it called the WESTERN CONFERENCE?? it was clearly in the EASTERN TIME ZONE , the REAL teams in the west were on the west coast like WASH, CAL, USC, ORE, STANFORD or at least Oklahoma & Texas, Its a long Tradition of that area MIS naming things like BIG ten when they had 11, 12, and 14, and 18 teams... even Michigans song says Champions of the "west " and they ARE NOT IN THE WEST

@georgehenan853 Ай бұрын

For the same reason Ohio was called northwestern territory and why northwestern university is in Chicago

@CollegeFootballHistory Ай бұрын

Because at that time, football hadn't spread to the west coast. Stanford had just started in 1891. So teams like Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin were "the west".

@GBU61 28 күн бұрын

It goes back to 1783. When the country was founded those states made up the The NW territory which was as far west as you could go. Therefore that area was called the Midwest then, and still is.

@jonwalter6317 26 күн бұрын

"BigTen" is not a mis-naming - when it expanded beyond ten teams, the name recognition had become so strong they stuck with the name, instead of changing their name like the Big12 has numerous times. They were the Big 9 until Mich State joined in 1949, and have been the B10 ever since. Silly to change your conference name every time you add or subtract a team. I do remember when the Big 8 became the Big 12, and it seemed a bit silly and confusing. Thankfully they stopped.

@jonwalter6317 26 күн бұрын

@@CollegeFootballHistory Travel was also a factor. Prior to practical air travel, major league baseball was not played farther west than Milwaukee and St Louis, nor farther south than Cincinnati and DC. That rectangle with St Louis as the SW corner represented the farthest a team could reasonably travel in a day by train. That's why there were so many double headers - because teams had a lot of off days to travel by train. I assume the same applied to college sports and football in general, and to an extant most recognized college football was played east of the Mississippi Valley.

@nickdarr7328 Ай бұрын

Notre Dame should have challenged the Klan and/or Ole Miss to a football game

@stephenlang7870 Ай бұрын

It's not surprising that a Nebraska site would say AAU membership doesn't matter, as Nebraska is the only school to be kicked out in 124 years. But let's get some things straight. Notre Dame is a member of the AAU as of last year. Also the money from football is millions, but research money is billions. Football is the front porch to get research money in the door. I would imagine if Nebraska doesn't get their poop in a group and at least try to get back into the AAU, the B1G might send Nebraska packing as it brings down research money and Nebraska will never return to national football relevance.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

a) IOWAST and CUSE were also effectively expelled from the AAU. They just elected to leave first. b) AAU is a brand and culture thing for the [B1G]. NEB's lack of AAU has no effect on the grants for the other members. c) Neither BAMA nor GEORGIA is an AAU member, and both have national football relevance. d) ND does less research than NEB.

@CollegeFootballHistory Ай бұрын

Well, first, I can't believe I did all the other research for this and missed that Notre Dame joined in 2023. Dumb on me. Second, this isn't a "Nebraska site" or channel. While I am a Nebraska guy, I plan on casting a very wide net. Third, there are two groups who control college sports right now - lawyers and TV executives. Neither of them care about AAU membership. While that might appease academics in the Big Ten, it's going to be put aside by bigger problems as enrollment continues to drop and higher ed everywhere faces budget issues. I am guessing... that universities will want their athletic departments to not put a strain on their budgets and be more self-supporting in the future. Hence.... not that big an issue going forward.

@tarheel7406 Ай бұрын

@@CollegeFootballHistory "While that might appease academics in the Big Ten, it's going to be put aside by bigger problems as enrollment continues to drop and higher ed everywhere faces budget issues." Yes, the reality that most everyone is missing is that the B1G is facing an increasingly compelling demo concern since the populations in the core footprint are stagnant and aging. The core members will not be able to maintain all of their academic metrics. I doubt that expansion will draw top students at the level needed for some metrics, but there aren't that many options to try.

@georgehenan853 Ай бұрын

The aau is completely meaningless now a days. Nebraska does more research than most schools in the aau anyway. The big 10 just admitted Oregon for example, which is in no way a better or more prestigious school than Nebraska. It clearly don’t matter anymore in an era where tv rights are the moneymakers.

@christianlibertarian5488 Ай бұрын

I had no idea the anti-Catholic feelings ran so high a hundred years ago. I am also shocked that my Michigan was so instrumental in keeping ND out of the Big Ten. We did manage to start a long series with ND in the 1970’s, and had just great games. I will remind folks that it was ND, not Michigan, that decided not to continue.

@exomake_mehorololo Ай бұрын

It should be called discrimination and hatred 😂that's what it was. Catholics were treated as second class citizens since colonial times. Or in cases persecuted. Those fine protestant pilgrims were pretty nasty to everyone that was different to them

@AZBuckeye96 Ай бұрын

I mean, ND’s football schedule is really only 25% independent when you really think about it. 5 ACC games required, plus every school gets to pick 3 non-conference games. That leaves 4 games that make them different. 25% different…

@matthewg7887 Ай бұрын

You’re forgetting that Stanford now counts as an ACC opponent. That means ND only has to schedule 4 traditional ACC teams.

@matthewhogg7616 19 күн бұрын

Wasn’t Fielding Yost, in fact, a hillbilly from West Virginia?

@CollegeFootballHistory 7 күн бұрын

Ha! Yes he was!

@nathaniellathy6559 Ай бұрын

There's another word for Catholic: Christian ✝️.

@larrys9879 Ай бұрын

If Notre Dame doesn’t join the B1G the time will come when they will deeply regret it. The days of tradition college football are gone forever. These new alliances will make Notre Dame irrelevant if they don’t get into the B1G or SEC.

@painter662 Ай бұрын

Don’t take this as an insult… it’s not… Hey Catholic boy from Nebraska… Knute Rockne quit playing Nebraska because they were so anti Catholic. They Cheated threw rocks… you name it, 2 oases by the 4 horsemen to the men in red, was enough to turn the Huskers into a villain NoterDame avoided til 1972. And make no excuses they avoided Nebraska. Nebraska a state that’s largest religious population was and I believe still is Catholic. Followed by Lutheran. That said, I am not Catholic. I a German Lutheran… in Nebraska that’s grounds for almost as much discrimination. So I sympathize with the Catholic plight always have. But… generational hatred is what creates the Middle East conflicts. Allows the KKK to even exist. It’s a bad thing no matter who you are. You were wrong for using it as a defense. I despise Michigan and Ohio State as well… But Minnesota, Iowa, Michigan State have at times made me smile. You got to look for the good, not wallow in the ugly. Yes remember the wounds. But for the sake of @&$ put a bandage on and move forward. Me I moved to California. Finally allowed me some perspective. And before you dismiss the German thing as not the same, my grandfather taught at 3 different Lutheran Schools from Oklahoma and Kansas and Nebraska. All got closed for teaching German to German Lutheran Students. Same as the Catholic schools did.

@georgehenan853 Ай бұрын

Nebraska was less anti Catholic than the big 10 schools at the time. Hence why they played. Anyway if Nebraska is mostly Catholic and Lutheran then where are the anti Catholics coming from? Iowa? I’ve never seen anything of that sort in Nebraska.

@georgehenan853 Ай бұрын

So who are these people discriminating against Catholics and Lutherans in Nebraska then? Pretty much everyone here is either not religious or is in one of those 2 denominations. Don’t really have the same types of people as in Ohio and Indiana back then.

@painter662 Ай бұрын

In answer to who… 20% of the states population identified as Episcopal, Presbyterian , or Methodist as late as the 80’s probably still is. Yet approximately 80% of government representatives identified that way. And as for who is discriminating during, during WW2 Nebraska had the highest per capita KKK population in the country. TheLancaster county draft board did not have 1 German member.

@georgehenan853 Ай бұрын

@@painter662 that’s not true. Nebraska never had the highest per capita kkk membership. It was Indiana during that time. And I’m pretty sure episcopals didn’t like the klan either. And no, pretty much everyone in the state government now whose Christian is either Catholic or Lutheran. The Lancaster board not having Germans has nothing to do with the kkk, since it was the kkk that was against going to war in Germany in the first place. No Germans being on the draft board is if anything an indication that the klan had limited influence in the state. It was both Germans and the klan that were against the draft in world war 2.

@georgehenan853 Ай бұрын

@@painter662 the kkk had limited influence in Nebraska by ww2. The peak of their power in the state was the 1910-1920’s.

@nathaniellathy6559 Ай бұрын

Too bad Notre Dame isn't Catholic anymore

@collegefootballhistorian2078 Ай бұрын

It will be interesting to see what they do. They have had an unspoken free pass to join the big ten for probably 60 years. Still there have been some minor slights in that time especially with michigan. The big ten essentially now is coast to coast perhaps the sec might look to do the same thing however they are not going to step on the big ten toes given both are starting to partner together in order to take over the actual administrative structure of college football and perhaps college athletics as a whole. The SEC would never take ND unless the SEC begins to get in a power struggle with the big ten. The ACC is becoming a secondary conference which ND is a part of in all other sports.

@exomake_mehorololo Ай бұрын

I disagree that the SEC would never take ND. Right now they don't want to take anyone more. But if they're open to take on more teams ND is a great candidate. In the end Sankey doesn't give a damn about other conferences. He's just cooperating w the Big 10 for now