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u right.. doc had lighter hair.

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My nephew was dry firing his cap and ball revolver at the TV sans caps. He put the caps back ob to put the gun away. Beretta (remember that show?) said "shoot me!" and my nephew did as he was told. He said it was real anticlimactic aside from the noise. No sparks. The TV just went out.

These guns broke in the 1870's. Nobody was dry firing at a TV back then.

@@xmetguy1 yeah back in the 1870s they used live ammo while watching tv, they had much more lax gun safety back then.

$700? Dang thats actually not too bad..

@@KH2837 not at all - I should have jumped on it. It was gone the next week. Follow up question for Mr. Bellevue - do you think folks shot them in double action primarily at the time? I wonder about that. Perhaps it would depend on the situation.

@@geneshockley6375 I’d agree on your last point. Right through the 20th century, most DA revolvers were shot mostly in the SA mode, even in competition, which was Bullseye. But in a fight, I’d expect them to be running in DA.

@@KH2837 Yes, the auctions are getting much more for them depending on condition but most of them in just average shape will bring $1,200 to $1,500 I'm told.

Oh, I would drool over your carry choices..

@@calanon534 winter carry may include my Mauser Bolo or Broomhandle. With such a wide variety the choice can be difficult, lol.

@@kenm8376 ...I have a Ruger Security 9? I just got a neat-o NcStar light for it.. ..I feel very inadequate and severely out-styled. I bow to thee and thy fine collection, sir.

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General Custer was reputed to have had a Webley RIC.

Seems to me like a very smart answer, Mr Hoodoo. It makes good sense.

@@ergbudster3333 It was one of the best to have at the time.

If I must have a Webley, I'd wait about 10 years for the Mark I, the first of the Webley .455 series that would see the British Empire through as early as the first Boer War till the late 1960s when my sidearm of choice took over: the Browning Hi-Power 9x19mm Luger/Parabellum, known as the L9A1 in British service.

@@chrismc410 I prefer a s&w model 3 Russian or a short barreled schofield revolver, mainly because it would be possibly chambered in .44-40

That's why I stick to the .38s. I have a .41 rimfire Remington revolver, and finding ammo for that is like finding unicorn eggs.

If you're a hand loader, I think Starline makes brass for the .41 LC, or you can trim back .30-30 brass. You might be able to find the hollow-base bullets from specialty makers, or cast your own (if you're really hard-core, you can find/cast heel-based bullets, and try to find the collet die for crimping).

@@ericv7720 Thanks for the information & thanks for watching.

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I'm with you. I'm also a history nut and Mike's a great source.

@@duelist1954 Keep 'em coming. I know not everyone's a history nut but there's a bunch of us out here who are.

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Interesting. As well in comparison the .38 Special military load of 130 grain fmj ball at 750 fps is on the lower end of the spectrum compared to cop loads like the FBI SWCHP 158 @ 950 fps.

Yes, the inaccuracy of military handgun shooters is notorious. That is why the .30 Carbine was issued after the failure of the average GI to properly use the M1911. Even that somewhat failed, as the carbine was used beyond it's range capability.

@@loboheeler It was used beyond its capability, preferred as lighter and handier with less recoil than the 30-06 weapons.

It's not a powerhouse though I figure it would cut it as a civilian carry gun at the time. I think a big reason for it also is that the specific revolver they used just wasn't the most accurate.

@@loboheeler People didn't really start using it past its effective range until Korea, nobody really complained about it in WW2.

Uberti and Pietta make a sorta clone, but they are just SAAs with the bird's head grips, not DA revolvers. If you can find a Model of 1878 you'd have a much stronger action than the 1877.

I agree, but hard to get reproduction interest on guns that might need a lot of warranty repair. I have bought three reproductions of early pistols and two of three needed fixes (one was so bad that they replaced the pistol)... reproducing the old parts with modern methods is not the same as they do not want to hand tune them before sale... So, am I still looking for an original...

Totally agree. Ever since I knew about the 1877 & the 1878 models, I have hoped for one of reproduction companies would remake these, especially with modern metals and technology available.

The plethora of frontier-era firearm clones out there exist largely thanks to the large market created by cowboy action shooting -- whose rules prohibit double action revolvers, even authentic ones from the period. Weirdly, to my mind, you can have a modern single action that did not exist back then, such as those SAA clones with bird head grips. That alone was enough to kill any interest I might have had in the sport. I used to own an original, 1883 Smith & Wesson DA frontier model in .44 Russian. When I learned I couldn't shoot it, but other people _could_ shoot modern guns that weren't accurate representations of anything from the cowboy era (as long as they were single action), I just shook my head in disgust. Then add the fact that the competitors shoot these pipsqueak, squib-loaded .38 special handguns, two-handed, in a manner completely inauthentic for the 19th century, all in order to maximize their scores on the clock... The sport had zero interest for me at that point. But it is what drives the market for clones of guns in this period. As long as the rules for cowboy action shooting prohibit DA revolvers, the companies that make these clones probably won't see enough of a market for a gun like this to justify making it, particularly when it's known to have rather delicate lockwork that's prone to breakage.

@@Hibernicus1968 there are a variety of categories in CAS. You don't have to compete with the superfast gamers. I agree they are ridiculous, so I sport a pair of 61 navies, an 1860 Henry, and a hammered 10ga. The sport is what you make it.

That' must be a sweet looking gun.

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I don't know about the 1877 but the 1878's barrel is interchangeable with the 1873 barrel.

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@@duelist1954 There hasn't been a video I haven't liked. I've been watching for years now and have been greatly educated and entertained. I'm a huge fan of the American frontier. I do living history events and it's fascinating to see the evolution of technology. I'm just trying to imagine how much worse it was back then.

I'll be your "Huckle Berry!" while "I'll shoot" Both of You! Best Darn Movie! just searched it Last Night! Wife has never watched! Val rocked it Hard! about the same as his Doors movie! nailed Both!

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I hope you get it going well.

He's one of my favorites.

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Mike really like the history of this colt and famous or infamous people who used the revolver

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Well, now you know.

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I'll see what I can do.

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As we used to say, Everybody wants a product that is good, cheap and fast to market, but in the real world you can only get two of those together.

And knowing modern colt itd probably be outsourced anyway. If someone ponied up the half million+ in R&D money I'm sure the Italians would do it. I'd pay at least a couple grand for one I could shoot 50,000 rounds of smokeless through without worry. I am thrilled to own an original, it'sthe only revolver I have or want, but it stinks knowing I should rarely even cycle the action.

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We’ll see. I was casting both heel-based and hollow-based bullets today.

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If he wasn't technically a serial killer, he certainly was a sociopath.

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I'm sure he cleaned them well because they are still in great shape, and we know he shot them.

I'm going to be doing a video on pocket pistols. It will include Bulldogs, but overall, just like today, there were a lot more small, less expensive, revolvers in use than there were full-sized versions like the Colt SAA or the S&W Schofield.

@@duelist1954 I'd really like to see that, pocket pistols are a focus of my interests in black powder revolvers. Today's video was fantastic, thanks.

I believe that Custer carried a bulldog into the battle at little big horn. Cant remember if it was George, or one of his brothers that was there that day. Tom? Maybe?

@@duelist1954 Mike, I have an old H&R "American Double Action" in .32 S&W if you would like to use it in that video. It looks and works great! When I got it many years ago (25 years?) at a pawn shop it appeared to have been fired very little...if at all ...until I got ahold of it.

@@toddy2519 Thanks, but I have very similar Hopkins & Allen and Iver Johnson guns from that period.

I’ve heard that. The only way to find out is to shoot it more in each mode…which I’ll do.

As long as it doesn’t get wet, and you keep the touch hole plugged, you can leave it loaded all season.

The only way to be sure is to shoot it more…which I’ll gladly do.

They are sweet looking little guns.

lol just realized im on my wifes computer my name is wyatt lol

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@@duelist1954 oh, you are such a tease! I'll be waiting.

@@duelist1954 Thanks for the new video!

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Surprisingly the feel pretty good, and they seem to work well in the hand, even during rapid fire

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