Combo Masterclass w/ Jim LaPage (CAG, The Spike Feeders) | Command Zone 435

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Show Notes:
C-C-C-COMBOS! Like ‘em or not, there’s no denying combos are a huge part of Commander. This episode, JLK is joined by special guest and fellow CAG member Jim LaPage (The Spike Feeders) to talk about everything combo. We’ll discuss how to identify, assess, and stop your opponent’s when they "go off", along with advice on how to assemble your OWN combo-win more effectively.
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@toctheyounger 2 жыл бұрын

Great to see James sharing the love. He speaks so well about this game and how best to enjoy it. Spikes on the Mic are always informative and helpful.

@StackedEDH 2 жыл бұрын

Jim's one of the brightest (and I mean that in every sense of the word) minds in Magic. Very glad to learn from him here!

@TheSpiritombsableye 2 жыл бұрын

I doubt you mean in every definition.

@StackedEDH 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSpiritombsableye doubt away

@TheSpiritombsableye 2 жыл бұрын

@@StackedEDH, let me rephrase that. Are you trying to say that Jim's brain has so much lumin that he can, at worst, host life on a planet rotating around it?

@StackedEDH 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSpiritombsableye yes

@cameronkelty8725 2 жыл бұрын

I love the flavor of the Gravecrawler, Rooftop Storm and Phyrexian Altar combo. It’s like you take gravecrawler put him on an altar and hit it with the storm keeping him in a constant state between life and death. It feels like that one Frankenstein scene. Every time I play it I shout “IT’S ALIIIIIIVE!!” at my table. My playgroup don’t get annoyed at all. Plus all the cards are great in a zombie deck and never just dead without the combo pieces. It’s awesome.

@wyatt5450 2 жыл бұрын

I play the Wilhelt deck and I do the Acereak/rooftop storm combo along with the poppet sticher combo with Wilhelt. I make sure I time it right and make sure I piss everyone off when I play it

@PlayingWithPowerMTG 2 жыл бұрын

Giant thinker time.

@TheGrifcannon22 2 жыл бұрын

Oh my! PwP dropping by when Jim is on CZ. Wonder who else is here.

@bofoitakoyaki9859 2 жыл бұрын

love youre channel. TEAM FOLGER FOR LIFE

@archangelalchemist 2 жыл бұрын

I had a massive turn with my Damia, Sage of Stone deck where I stole a card from one player's graveyard, one from a second player's library, and one from the last player's board and used the cards I stole to create an infinite combo that my deck, nor any of theirs, could never have made on their own.

@krvys7226 2 жыл бұрын

Jimothy! I know that guy. Didn't expect to see him on an episode of command zone.

@mf_dom08 2 жыл бұрын

jimothy LOL

@kobiealbertson1784 2 жыл бұрын

Even if you don't play with combo it is still super important to at least know the prominent ones so you can try to play around them.

@Spirited_skiing 2 жыл бұрын

This is one of the best episodes you all have ever made, especially the back half. I feel like you all just laid out how to interact with threats in commander in general

@seraph_six 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic episode! So awesome to see Jim on the show.

@Durgenheim 2 жыл бұрын

This was a fantastic analysis episode. I think part of why some people dislike combo is because they don't have the knowledge required to combat all of them, so it feels bad when wins "come out of nowhere". This kind of video goes a long ways in helping people identify and beat a lot of combo wins.

@jimbones5621 2 жыл бұрын

Well hey there, it's Jim! nice crossover. Edit: this episode was really informative and you guys had great chemistry. Jim on game knights soon maybe?

@nathanlovin 2 жыл бұрын

Jim LaPage is a treasure. One of the best. Great to see him here!

@CHEFPKR 2 жыл бұрын

Port Razer + Rionya is fun. Copy Port razer 3-4 times and have them attack other players

@dominicorido1310 2 жыл бұрын

holy damn i didnt expect to see you here

@drawando8588 2 жыл бұрын

*gasp* chefpk plays magic. It now all makes sense how he can do all the anime recipes! He just travels to the planes of the anime!

@GrixisBrainfreeze 2 жыл бұрын

Not familiar with this content creator but it's great seeing people From all walks of life enjoying this amazing hobby.

@drawando8588 2 жыл бұрын

@@GrixisBrainfreeze he attempts to bring anime food from like shokugeki no souma to reality.

@Richuardo 2 жыл бұрын

This was one of my favorite command zone podcast videos ever. So, so, so informative and great breakdowns on how to break down the combo player or be a better combo player. Having Jim on was great, too. Thanks for the great content!

@Kalimier777 2 жыл бұрын

The Port Razer/Olivia explain was really well done and helped it all click for me personally. I’ve been trying to understand combos more lately so I don’t slow down the table.

@vaporeon344 2 жыл бұрын

Don’t feel afraid to ask a question at your table! It’s worth hearing how it works for five minutes and asking questions to understand then to not understand it whatsoever.

@allsystemsgoNJ 2 жыл бұрын

Just thinking back to the game knights with Cash and the hullbreacher. Josh was freaking about the wheel coming and no one even flinched 🤣

@jameswilles7814 2 жыл бұрын

That bit about pre-game discussion should apply to ALL decks, whether or not you play combos. Let people know when you are expecting to end the game.

@trenchdiggersnow 2 жыл бұрын

Would love to see Jim on an episode of game knights

@Lyricaon 2 жыл бұрын

That would be nice. Or maybe Extra Turns? Could imagine that would be easyer to do.

@tappytoeclaws2233 2 жыл бұрын

JIMOTHY! I could listen to your soothing Canadian tones all day. Awesome to see another rad creator on the show.

@DanZigs79 2 жыл бұрын

This was a great episode. You guys did a fantastic job explaining in a systematic way some of the things that I had to figure out along the way over my past few years playing EDH. I really appreciated it.

@Rosebud651 2 жыл бұрын

Whhooooaaaa That Jim is some looker And really articulate! Great guest for the podcast!!!! Perhaps we will see more of him!?😁🤩

@krvys7226 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I'm fixated on his body language. He should open an OnlyHands account

@ertai222 2 жыл бұрын

🤣 wtf

@Rosebud651 2 жыл бұрын

@@krvys7226 absolutely. 1000% would subscribe

@arcticblast3247 2 жыл бұрын

More Jim? Sounds like a great idea

@calvinblitman3842 2 жыл бұрын

I'll second the Onlyhands motion

@manhattanblockade8544 2 жыл бұрын

1:12:45 people only listening missing this fantastic visual gag

@Vmcf1968 2 жыл бұрын

i seriously enjoyed this episode. as the johnney spike in my play group i truely appriated the the love and hate you two showed combo. Jim, as a casual player, great insights as always youre my kind of cedh'er.

@dendecko2246 2 жыл бұрын

JIIIIIIIIM!!!!!!!!!!! love having him on.

@denisevnbrdw 2 жыл бұрын

Very helpful! I really like your way of presenting themes. Compliments to the editors behind the scenes as well. You really know your tools.

@stevenjoubertofficial 2 жыл бұрын

This was an awesome episode! I always love it when you guys collaborate with creators from other channels! Jim was an outstanding addition this episode and I thought you guys had great chemistry! Maybe we’ll see Jim on more stuff soon!? Like a Game Knights?

@airforcec 2 жыл бұрын

Small correction: Magical Hack won't do anything to Karmic guide. Alter reality, crystal spray, glamerdye, mind bend, slight of mind, spectral shift, and whim of volrath all work though. It was Glamerdye that he used in the show btw.

@ColorwaveCraftsCo 2 жыл бұрын

I can definitely say I learned a LOT watching this episode!! Thanks Jim and Josh!! 😊

@TyranitarStudios 2 жыл бұрын

Hey is the "rue the day" guy!! I love that guy!

@satansamael666 2 жыл бұрын

This reminds me a lot of my diploma lecture on loops. Programmatically, combos are effectively infinite loops where there's no breaks in the code; the game naturally has those break commands and it's up to you to bypass or overwrite those breaks.

@cowonavuwus8758 2 жыл бұрын

Love Jim, nice collab

@im_spiffy 2 жыл бұрын

Yooooo Jim is here! This is amazing! Would love to see Ken from Stacked EDH next!

@rowe1j 2 жыл бұрын

The cost-effect analysis reminds me of the sequencing error in the Ramunap Red mirror that cost Yam Wing Chun a game that was almost unlosable: going to combat cost him the ability to cast sorcery-speed spells, stranding them both in his hand and preventing Hazoret from attacking because he had too many cards in hand. There was a wonderful outpouring of sympathetic support from the community, but it was a big mistake!

@MatejMoravek 2 жыл бұрын

That was really great episode. I especially liked the analysis of "when to intervene".

@timetokilltime 2 жыл бұрын

This was the most informative MtG video I have watched in a long time. At least this year. Thank you!

@CacZarn 2 жыл бұрын

Story where I stopped a combo. I had a game a couple weeks ago where someone was going to go infinite with Magda. I had a resculpt in hand but only one mana available. I jokingly told the table I had interaction if someone could give me one more mana. Without hesitation another player flashed in a show and tell with leyline of anticipation. I put a land out and exiled the Magda with Resculpt before they were able to make another treasure.

@dustinnewberry2066 2 жыл бұрын

Been waiting for a new video, they make my lunch breaks much better

@MaxDilthey 2 жыл бұрын

Jim! Finally! Great to see, great episode. A Canadian national treasure.

@Adam-sl6tq 2 жыл бұрын

dualcaster mage is one of my favorite combo engines. it goes infinte with a ton of different cards and it can be snuck in without having to keep pieces on board

@antony_ag 2 жыл бұрын

Port Razer is fun in Delina, Wild Mage, it always creates one token and sometimes you high roll (quite literally) creating multiple port razers and multiple extra combats at the same time!!! really fun, would recommend

@electricblue2920 2 жыл бұрын

Yes! I wish every episode was 2 hrs!!!

@Lyricaon 2 жыл бұрын

Really glad you choose this topic! You made a lot of really interesting points here and Jim is just the perfect guest for this topic (and a really cool dude overall) . I think this has been my favorite episode in quite some time. I think combos should be more normal in casuel games too. A lot of cool decks and tribes can only win through comos because that's the way there were designed (Moonfolk to give just one example). So allowing combos gives these decks the opportinity to see play. I think what should happen instead is that combos for these tables should get more casuel in the way that they require more pieces to work and you play less tutor effects. That way you have to play out combo pieces before the turn you try to win, that gives your opponents time to react and interact with the combo and it won't feel like you are winning out of nowhere. Also play combos that require permanents on the field! Otherwise the only way to interact are counterspells with can't be expected to be present at casuel tables.

@MortiviusMTG 2 жыл бұрын

You guys rock! Can’t wait to watch this.

@c0barsm 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the pointers and reminding me of this stuff. Super helpful to know!

@devon0711 2 жыл бұрын

Still love my delina, wild mage with port razor or chatterfang with pitiless plunderer.

@chainsawstriker2173 2 жыл бұрын

Was working on my oswald fiddlebender list and dross scorpion came up and all the light switches in my brain clicked so thank you very much for talking about it. I had never heard of that card before

@sheldonmenery1832 2 жыл бұрын

Jim rules. I won't be taking questions at this time.

@gabetaylor6007 2 жыл бұрын

This was an amazing episode! I’ve enjoyed this one the most in the last 6mo or so

@FelinGreenleaf 2 жыл бұрын

I comment this everywhere but my favorite accidental infinite I found was cost reducer+storm-kiln artist+Veryran/Harmonic Prodigy (ideally both)+Mystic Speculation = Mana neutral or positive, infinite -cast- triggers, which I've found more useful than copying something infinitely

@chrisfalconbury6862 2 жыл бұрын

Great video and great content as always. Very informative and definitely some good points to think about.

@trevorsmith7643 2 жыл бұрын

I like using Kodama of the East Tree with Scute Swarm or Tireless Provisioner and any bounce land that works with those. Produces either infinite creatures or mana.

@dustinchang5089 2 жыл бұрын

Meloku of the Clouded Mirror

@EDRVerano 2 жыл бұрын

My favorite combo is Kodama of the East Tree + any landfall token creator + bounce lands. I have a Maja, Bretagard Protector deck that revolves around the whole combo. I even added cards like Knight of the Reliquary to combo-off at instant speed.

@LancerGaming100 2 жыл бұрын

What's hilarious is a friend of mine is actively trying to make a tribal scorpion and is finding it harder then you'd think.

@Lyricaon 2 жыл бұрын

I am building a K'rrik deck at the moment and there are some really cool combo lines in there. My favorite ones are the ones that include Necrotic Ooze (on of my favorite cards): Necrotic Ooze on the field and Asmodeus in the grave, you can pay three black (or 6 life with K'rrik) to draw 7 cards since the Ooze dosn't copy the static ability from Asmodeus. Throw in Skirge Familiar and you can basicly draw your entire deck and generate a lot of mana. Than you can finish the game by discarding Gray Merchant, OG Chainer and a Carrion Feeder (or Viscera Seer) , since you can now active the Ooze (Chainer) to get the Merchent back and kill it with Ooze (Carrion Feeder). Repeat until everyone is dead.

@TokuHer0 2 жыл бұрын

1:20:55 My favorite thing to do if I have access to blue once I know I have painted the bullseye on myself and am going to die next, just to have a little fun on the way out, is to hold open 6U and then when the player goes for the win, say "In response, I tap 7 mana... and that's it."

@sword7166 10 ай бұрын

Great video! This actually just helped me catch an infinite that exists in a decklist I recently put together

@sword7166 10 ай бұрын

For those curious, if your creatures etb with +1/+1 counters on them and one of those creatures has persist, it can go straight back on the battlefield every time it dies at instant speed. Combine this with a free sac outlet and now you're generating infinite value from it

@flyindonkeyodoom 2 жыл бұрын

I got a combo story lol. Was playing earlier this year with some pals of mine and the Mizzix player across from me cast a Windfall and then cast Fork copying the windfall, which took up all of his mana (it was maybe turn 4 or 5). To which I responded by casting a Hull Breacher. All players being fully tapped (and no free counters in hand), the Hull Breacher resolved. I was playing my Breya combo deck and after the first Windfall resolved I drew a Vamp tutor, which I cast. I went and grabbed Time Sieve and put it on top, and proceeded to draw for the second windfall. After the stack resolved I had 39 treasure tokens and six cards in hand, including the Time Sieve. The turn passed to me and after two extra turns I drew a Skull Clamp, which I used on Breya's thopters and drew into a Thopter Assembly. Everyone knew that I had several combos in the deck so infinite extra turns was a sure win for me, especially given nobody had cards in hand except myself. And the moral of the story my friends is that this is why Hull Breacher is banned.

@user-kh3th5eh2g 2 жыл бұрын

I love every commercial you guys make, thank you

@DerDarkfire1 2 жыл бұрын

The most Combo Commander I've ever built were Experiment Kraj & Mairsil, the Pretender. Incredibly hard to play but also a lot of fun!

@ceulgai2817 2 жыл бұрын

Combo? I don't think they have any place in commander. BUT I love seeing Jim come across my Twitter feed. Even though he and I disagree on what's the spirit of commander, his takes are always kind and measured. Glad to see him on the show and carrying that through. Speaking of this episode, I feel that a lot of the threat assessment and timing techniques discussed here are prudent for non-combo games as well. High fives all around!

@daredewley9231 2 жыл бұрын

Heck yeah! Stoked for this

@loorky2126 2 жыл бұрын

the word "whenever" or "when" often means that it can be used in a combo because it often makes another action give you more back.often

@MrParagonical 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic guest!

@clickplaygame2578 2 жыл бұрын

found it hilarious when they were talking about Spike Feeder (the card) and Jim can't remember what it's called

@charleschin7984 2 жыл бұрын

OMG ITS A SPIKE ON THE MIKE!

@bluezamx814 2 жыл бұрын

Loved James in this episode! He has a really nice voice. Also, he forgot the card Spike Feeder... While his channel is called The Spike Feeders... Lmao

@Xgya2000 2 жыл бұрын

The single card that comes up most often when talking about combos is Force of Will. Saying "no" to the combo player when you can is a very good idea.

@diSTUD013 2 жыл бұрын

One of the best episodes in quite a while!

@stephan5574 2 жыл бұрын

Nice episode. Eventough I don't really play combo or cEDH, it's very good to know if you play against combo. I admit I have combo decks to match the table if needed. Here I like artifact or instant speed combos such as infinite combos

@nik700 2 жыл бұрын

Jim is so chill. I could hear him for a loooong time

@ryanquinn1257 2 жыл бұрын

Hoping that him being there for this series also means we’ll get some Spike Feeders Command Zone games (possibly some real high powered interactive games?!?).

@StanfieldJustin 2 жыл бұрын

Great watch, and super informative!!!

@timtauber5557 2 жыл бұрын

General information that will help newer players, good job guys.

@sumdood6972 2 жыл бұрын

my favorite discovered combo is master the way + radiate I just had them both in my Jiora deck and when the master the way came up on my suspend track and I had the radiate in my hand, throught about it for a few seconds and went "wait, I think I just win now". still have the combo in the deck, I have no intention of making it any more consistent.

@PatrickSlingshotGuy 2 жыл бұрын

Favorite combo I've built. You have Archelos, Sakura Tribe-Scout, retreat to Coralhelm, Rimewind Taskmage, and Ancient Green warden in play, with a bounce land in hand. Tap tribe scout to put bounce land into play, target itself to return to hand, tap it for mana before it returns. Us the mana to tap taskmage to tap anything down, even lands. With Green warden you have 2 coral helm triggers, allowing you to tap or untap 2 of your creatures, you will be untapping scout and Taskmage. Repeat forever. On your opponents upkeep do combo again, except once their stuff is all tapped, do the combo one more time, except tap Archelos and untap tribe scout. On the next players upkeep, tap tribe scout, put land in, untap Archelos and tribe scout, repeat again forever.

@vaporeon344 2 жыл бұрын

No lie, I would love to see a high-power/cEDH game of game knights or extra turns to teach people about combos or special cards. Not like straight cEDH, but a high power game would be awesome to watch!

@claygillman9351 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent video guys. Love to see this type of content.

@emmkestrel442 2 жыл бұрын

intruder alarm is a very funny combo piece because there are absolutely ways people can win off of someone else's intruder alarm. Like almost every creature infinites with intruder alarm, bonus points if there's a mana sink or tap ability. New cards that infinite with alarm are rarely interesting because basically every card does

@TheCoyote808 2 жыл бұрын

Accidentally an infinite combo with Ruthless Knave, Annointed Procession, Divine Visitation, Requiem Angel, and +1 creature. In order to weaponize, any one of Purphoros, Warstorm Surge, Goblin Bombardment, Pandemonium, Impact Tremors, or any haste granting anthem.

@mightyone3737 2 жыл бұрын

Cool video, good guest. Many good points.

@Aldo7Aces 2 жыл бұрын

In my group, they view my decks as memes, so they were not scared by Kurkesh. I had the scepter where you take an extra turn removing charges. Used Kurkesh and another artifact to put enough charges to keep taking two extra turns at a time, going infinite. Had plenty of damaging artifacts in deck and on-board to go infinite and they all folded once I caught them tapped out and played the scepter and explained how I would win.

@stonewalter8966 2 жыл бұрын

My favorite combo is pulling out Kraum AND Thrasios and the entire table immediately targeting me before I do anything

@Joolenplus 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah pretty much this. I love the deck but having 2 sources of card draw in the command zone really does paint a target on us.

@youngmedusa34 2 жыл бұрын

Jim LaPage is my spirit animal

@olivierdebilde4292 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesing episode (and I learned something on Necromancy... another trick in my bags :) )

@davidmcclellan8031 2 жыл бұрын

I am a dirty Johnny combo player and I love them and appreciate this episode

@TeaHauss 2 жыл бұрын

That Necromancy story is so good

@Putrefax 2 жыл бұрын

I found a dumb infinite turn combo in Mono Black which is kinda fun. Chainer, Dementia Master is my commander, use Xiahou Dun the One Eyed to return Temporal Extortion to hand and cast repeatedly. Add in a Wound Reflection to guarantee no one can just take the half life hit.

@ACertainGuy0 2 жыл бұрын

Teferi + Possibility Storm is another lockout, the second cast from PS is instant speed, which Teferi forbids.

@papertiger982 2 жыл бұрын

This was an awesome episode!

@oscarkvrner8096 2 жыл бұрын

I just enjoy the infinite turn combo with archeomancer and time warp in my Brago deck. It's especially enjoying because I have the strixhaven time warp, so it's a bit more flashy!

@GazaElDiablo 2 жыл бұрын

i habitually tutor for fetchlands in my Lord Windgrace deck even though it's usually suboptimal because being able to just replay them with Windgrace.

@LilSenwolf 2 жыл бұрын

My first combo was accidental azors gateway in a zacama deck. Infinite life dmg to creatures and blows up any artifact/enchantment I want

@Pandahboymtg 2 жыл бұрын

Basalt Monolith + Mesmeric Orb + Syr Konrad + Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre (still in the deck) Machine gun all your opponents with Konrad when creatures hit your graveyard and when they leave your graveyard when they get shuffled back in.

@seashantier1593 Жыл бұрын

It's not infinite, but i really like the flavor of having the Kenrith twins as my commanders and playing 2 or 3 copy spells in a row. Get Will's emblem out too, and even the humble Lightning Bolt becomes a devastating hit to an opponent's face! And if i got a Stuffy Doll out with a Blasphemous Act, that's 1 player down right there, with a board wipe thrown in for good measure

@thisisbigbear 2 жыл бұрын

Basalt + Mesmeric Orb = free instant speed tutor for graveyard decks

@TakeMeToHonkerBurger 2 жыл бұрын

Now I need a legendary scorpion for my next deck

@ingolf82 2 жыл бұрын

Kenrith the returned king, his green ability + willbreaker will steal everyones creatures that you target with it.

@felipecodes 2 жыл бұрын

"The best card since Dockside Extortionist was printed" SINCE Commander 2019, excluding Hullbreacher, I can think of some cards that are way better than Jeska's Will - Thassa's Oracle - Underworld Breach - Oko, Thief of Crowns - Lurrus - Rograth - Sakashima - Winota - Drannith Magistrate - D.R.C. - Ragavan - Kinnan - Esper Sentinel EDIT: list made just in like a 2 minute exercise

@AlexSoloBeats 2 жыл бұрын

appalling! thassas oracle being worse than jeskas will is probably the biggest plunder this podcast has ever mentioned *combo episode*