But so were a bunch of other types of artists.

I think it's partly because in this day an age you can get a fanbase on social media. You can get so much support and fans for just some of the worst stuff. Then when you get a special on Netflix and get bad reviews and backlash you have a choir of assholes online defending you like their saint. I think people start believing their own bullshit.

Yeah, but the truth they were telling was just basic stuff about having a sex life or just swearing like a normal person on stage. It wasn't like they were jailed for their political views.

​@erraticonteuse that WAS a political thing at the time. First amendment? McCarthyism? Hello? I agree with what he's saying because some comedians are WAY too self-important and defensive now. But it was a political thing back then for all kinds of artists.

@@Aelffwynn Comedians weren't first on the stage though. Comedians came sauntering through the door decades after political activists, independent film makers and musicians. Bob Dylan was writing songs that cut deep waaaaaaay before stand-up type comedy was even a thing. Comedians comment on society once you can comment without being booed off stage by normies. Tardy to the party. It's why all the jokes told today were written by 15 year olds on 4chan a decade ago. Comedians are lagging behind online trolls.. And their punchlines aren't as good either. Comedy has never been in a crappier place than right now. It's mostly just whining.. It's like the late 80s when rock and metal shifted SHARPLY because rock and metal had become a parody of itself.. It was mostly just bands singing about being bands and stars and celebrities and how much they party... Absolute trash tier music. We're seeing the same thing with comedy now. Bunch of crybabies crying about how hard it is to be a comedian. ABSOLUTE TRASH TIER COMEDY. Comedy today is mostly self absorbed losers putting an end to stand up as we know it. In 5 years time, stand up will either be very different or completely gone. Stand up is boomer shit and it seems unable to follow the times because most comedians today are weird conservative freaks just throwing tantrums.

I wonder what Dave Chappelle thinks about transgender issues. I bet he's an expert on the subject, maybe he'll tell us.

For some of them, the goal is no longer really about comedy. The goal is to go on podcasts and gripe about how they got cancelled by the woke mob and "you can't tell a joke these days without somebody getting offended." Wind up talking to Joe Rogan about how George Soros controls everything and how everyone who got vaccinated is dropping dead now.

"Hey bro, don't do the crazy jazz song you always do.. this is a children's birthday party, do clown stuff." * Hires a polish free jazz ensamble * * bad sounds * That'll teach'em to expect entertainment, lousy little rascals!

Was his name Dave Chappelle or Ricky Gervais?

​​@the_glitter_is What's hilarious to me is that fans of those two insist that they have the right to freedom of speech, but somehow those critiquing the comedian don't have that right to freedom of speech simply because they disagree with their fave comedian 😂. Apparently freedom of speech is only for the comedians and those who agree with the comedians... which is literally not freedom of speech

@@Xara_K1 Yeah, it's this weird, egocentric, one-way (per)version of freedom of speech. Although, as luck would have it, we actually have a word for this manner of thinking: *narcissism.*

Dave Chappell is a real one then

You don’t even hear about most of the censored truth tellers, because they get banned from platforms by power-hungry psychos who can’t handle a different opinion… you won’t hear them “crying about being cancelled” as you put it, because they’re permabanned on places like Reddit for just telling a couple of truths that an a’hole mod didn’t like reading… you don’t hear about those censored voices because most of them don’t have the fame that studios can capitalize off. But don’t get it twisted, the famous comedians who speak the truth are very important and they actually have balls, considering the amount of psychos who can’t handle words and get violent over them. Chris Rock got slapped by unhinged Will Simp. Dave Chappelle had some insane wokie tackled him on stage and tried to use a gun-knife on him ffs. Most people (including famous ones) don’t have a security team who are that ready to throw down like that, lucky for Dave, he did. But pussies like that who can’t handle words, especially from a comedian, they are the despicable ones, and they are obviously a threat to free speech, which is very important.

You don’t even hear about most of the censored truth tellers, because they get banned from platforms by power-hungry psychos who can’t handle a different opinion… you won’t hear them “crying about being cancelled” as you put it, because they’re permabanned on places like Reddit for just telling a couple of truths that an a’hole mod didn’t like reading… you don’t hear about those censored voices because most of them don’t have the fame that studios can capitalize off. But don’t get it twisted, the famous comedians who speak the truth are very important and they actually have balls, considering the amount of psychos who can’t handle words and get violent over them. Chris Rock got slapped by unhinged Will Simp. Dave Chappelle had some insane wokie tackled him on stage and tried to use a gun-knife on him ffs. Most people (including famous ones) don’t have a security team who are that ready to throw down like that, lucky for Dave, he did. But pu$$ees like that who can’t handle words, especially from a comedian, they are the despicable ones, and they are obviously a threat to free speech, which is very important.

I always remember this one interview of George Carlin's I saw once where somebody asked him what he thought about Native American groups trying to get sports teams' names changed, and he answered, "As a member of the colonizer class, it's not my place to have an opinion on that." He was woke before woke was a thing.

UGH. That show was insufferable! Just mr. big man Seinfeld being a smug, rich, rude, show-off and and almost every guest trying to kiss his ass and match his twatty energy! 🤮

Do you have the memory of a goldfish or are you just being disingenuous 😠 You don’t even hear about most of the censored truth tellers, because they get banned from platforms by power-hungry psychos who can’t handle a different opinion… you won’t hear them “crying about being cancelled” as you put it, because they’re permabanned on places like Reddit for just telling a couple of truths that an a’hole mod didn’t like reading… you don’t hear about those censored voices because most of them don’t have the fame that studios can capitalize off. But don’t get it twisted, the famous comedians who speak the truth are very important and they actually have balls, considering the amount of psychos who can’t handle words and get violent over them. Chris Rock got slapped by unhinged Will Simp. Dave Chappelle had some insane wokie tackled him on stage and tried to use a gun-knife on him ffs. Most people (including famous ones) don’t have a security team who are that ready to throw down like that, lucky for Dave, he did. But pu$$ees like that who can’t handle words, especially from a comedian, they are the despicable ones, and they are obviously a threat to free speech, which is very important.

People take themselves too seriously. The charitable version of this argument is the fact that many important truths have been 'offensive' by historical standards. MLK Jr. was "offensive" to mainstream society during his time. The feminists movement has been 'offensive' to a patriarchal society. sometimes the truth is offensive, but people foolishly take it to mean that something being offensive somehow makes it more truthful.

@@T1J makes sense, people make a logical leap. Truth has been offensive, truth is good, therefore offense is also good

I feel a little wary of comedians who think they're edgy when they take swipes at people who they know can't ultimately hurt their career. That's why they're fine with joking at the expense of trans folks, for example, and not the people who are or could potentially be cutting their paychecks.

​@@aeloswindrunner speaking of Aristotle I like what you did there 😂 nice syllogism

Completely agree

That's all well and good, but what are us commoners supposed to do if said jester is laughing WITH the king's latest witch hunt, instead of AT it? Because these days it feels that the Chappelles and Gervais of the world are content to do that.

It's worth noting that the jesters worked for the powerful people they insulted. It was the powerful letting themselves be insulted. If the powerful no longer wanted to be insulted, that jester would no longer have a head, let alone a job.

It's a marketing strategy: when they incur backlash, they frame it as "the woke mob" attempting to silence brave dissidents, thus cementing their audience's perception of them as free speech martyrs.

That's not a rebuttal. Only shows you didn't get the point.

i agree

😆😅😂🤣 Nice ​@@T1J! 😎

Nah, not necissarily. They're definately 'saying words'. Its up to the audience to decide if they're jokes or not.

I think that was Carlin, it was about euphemisms. He had a spiel about how first it was "Shell Shock", then it was "Battle Fatigue", then "Operational Exhaustion", and finally "Post Traumatic Stress Disorder", which for some reason Carlin thought understated the severity of the condition.

@@DaL33T5 my bf show me the clip and told me "dont you think that is right? Why to we call it ptsd? And I was like of course there is an explanation for that, but explaining it ruins the joke. You do know that this is a joke, he is not a doctor and is not giving more than opinion? As is supposed. He did not discover a conspiracy"

How come I knew id find a comment just like this missing the point. It never fails.

@@CheshaGurimu No, I got the point. I just don't think it's correct. The narcissism to me lies in the people that think the world should care that they are offended. As consumers in such a flooded entertainment market, it would be very easy to just not watch that person anymore and quietly move to something else but there's no attention in that. Our social media culture rewards people who have never made anything, have never put themselves out there to be judged, and have no creative track record whatsoever. It's fine to be offended but the idea that someone would think the entire world needs to adhere to their own personal content preferences is delusional. If you're offended, just find something else. It's very easy.

Nobody thinks they should be able to go through life without having their values challenged, and if anything, comedians are the ones whining about having their values challenged. The people challenging them are just standing up for their own values.

@@erraticonteuse damn you ate him up

I'm not saying that there aren't overly sensitive people who throw kindling on the fire by loudly and publicly screeching about comedians they dislike, but there absolutely is an air of self-adulation from these comedians as well, particularly in how they portray themselves as brave free speech martyrs on par with the likes of Marat or Jamal Khashoggi purely because they pissed off purple-haired college SJW's. Chappelle is funny, but he's definitely a little self-congratulatory in how he characterizes the whole trans controversy, as are many other "anti-woke" comedians.

That's too reductive. Dave's not the only obnoxious comedian out there. He's a great example, though.