Nick Bartholet ITS A UNIVERSITY, NOT A LOCAL FLIGHT SCHOOL. YOU MADE THE DECISION. IN THE END, ITS THE SAME CERTIFICATE.

You get the restricted atp certificate at 1000 hours tho so its like the same amount of money but less time to get to the airlines

@@benjanik9443 RATP is available at pretty much any 141 Flight School though

@@nathanheeter1342 YESSIRRRRRRRR

@@elbrando5557 ratp?

look like goggles lol

KJBurke28 Thanks!!

You could, but the maneuver will be smoother and more precise using outside references to determine your points. Looking out the windscreen will also prevent over controlling during the maneuver. Cross-checking the instruments is helpful and good practice, but this is a VFR maneuver.

Hell no. A good CFI should be covering up all those instruments and forcing you to figure this out using only outside references. These are VFR maneuvers. VISUAL. Pick ONE reference point far in the distance on the horizon. You begin and enter the maneuver with your wingtip on that point. The "90 degree point" is when you slice the nose through that spot. The 45 degree point is when you are 45 degrees from it.... Same with the 135. It's just 45 degrees after you've sliced your nose through. You can eyeball 45 degrees can't you? Stop over thinking it people, you're being too mechanical. This maneuver is all about being a smooth operator. And for the love of God, realize that you can be many times more precise using a gigantic panoramic natural horizon vs tiny miniaturized instrument versions! It's basic attitude flying!

This guy was probably 0 time when this comment was made but on here ripping people like they are idiots 5 years later

Most aircraft have left turning tendencies due to the clockwise (from the pilots point of view) motion of the propeller. In multi-engine aircraft the engines counteract those tendencies by spinning in opposite directions. But if one engine goes out then you will have turning tendencies opposite that engine. So, if your right engine went out, you would have to use left rudder and left aileron to counteract those RIGHT turning tendencies.

Even in a single, gyroscopic precession is actually a right-turning tendency. P-factor, torque, and slipstream are all the left-turning tendencies so tend to get more emphasis.

Jeremy Lindauer / Most piston twins don’t have counter rotating props, Barons, Navajos, 310’s, Twin Comanches, and Senecas all have engines turning in the same direction. The Duchess has counter rotating props, as well as variants of the Navajo and Twin Comanche, as well as a few others, but most twins have two right turning engines

All single engine propellers and multi if they rotate the same way.

Cyrus Walker Thank you all so much 😃. I wish KZfaq had actually notified me of the three comments beforehand 😂.

Agree….it’s same as S Turn……with altitude changes…..and not a ground ref maneuver…….but yes agree it’s an STurn…..not an 8

Cause it’s like someone was too lazy to complete the last part of the 8

no

Yah…and how did Joel see …???? . Cuz his eyes are always closed….

Last week I saw a great example of how to do lazy eights just as you are saying; pull back give the slightest bit of rudder or aileron to initiate left or right then just allow the plane's natural falling off tendency as it climbs and slows to do most of the remaining maneuver. Found it kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bNWBgriarc7OkY0.html

Lazy 8 in a 172 is like babysitting a well behaved kid. The kid mostly behaves but you still have to guide it some throughout the maneuver.

"Rush" Moore...as in strike eagle turned Marine exchange pilot?

The turns are 'lazy' but nothing else is.

Yes it is. At the 90 your nose should be on the horizon at a level pitch attitude. - at 91 your nose should be descending through the horizon.

If you read the flight training handbook, it states the the aircraft should be at the "level pitch attitude" at the 90 degree point. You should also be at a slow speed (i.e. slow flight airspeed). So I ask you....what is the level pitch attitude for level flight in slow flight? Is the longitudinal axis on the horizon? No..it is above the horizon... Therefore at the 90 degree point the longitudinal axis should be above the horizon! Not going through the horizon as is often taught. The longitudinal axis falls through the horizon somewhere AFTER the 90 point (the 90 degree point is above the horizon not on it). This makes or breaks the maneuver. Ever have students, or yourself even, having trouble making to the 135 degree point (which of course is below the horizon)... If you do the maneuver properly and let the longitudinal axis fall through the horizon past the 90 point, then the aircraft naturally falls to the 135...and the maneuver will be beautiful, not forced and ugly as is often the case.

Dennis H a level pitch attitude and an attitude required to hold level flight are two completely different things...

@@ATC-Zero It says: "at 5 to 10 knots above stall speed, with the airplane’s pitch attitude passing through level flight." Once again, at 5-10 knots above a stall, what is the pitch attitude for level flight? (level flight meaning non-climbing or descending and I never said you hold it, it's passing THROUGH 'level pitch attitude' for that airspeed). Level pitch 'attitude' is different for different airspeeds. It's easier if you just think of the longitudinal axis as being the "pitch attitude" for level (non-climbing or descending) flight. Again it's a momentary instant in time for the Lazy 8. But the longitudinal axis does not go through the horizon at the 90 degree point. A very common misunderstanding of the meaning of level flight.

@@dennish300 This is my last response - you do you - we'll just have to agree to disagree. Straight from the AFH, which is the supplement the FAA uses to describe maneuvers, not whatever supplement you mentioned before. "The pitch up attitude should begin to decrease slowly toward the horizon until the 90 degree reference point is reached where the pitch attitude should me momentarily level." It's funny because the book describes it both ways. Thee FAA is intentionally vague like that... Either way I'm done. I haven't had a student fail on lazy 8's and it's not likely to happen anytime soon and the extent of me caring about this on youtube ends here.

You should be able to judge the relations between speed, alt and orientation. It's easy if you have a feel for it.

Actually, if you buy or fly a new aircraft you should perform the lazy eight in it as it will give you an excellent feel for the airplane in most normal flying conditions; climbs, descents, turning climbs, turning descents, especially at low airspeeds. People often shrug off the maneuver for useless, but it really isn't. The Chandelle gets a lot of the same flak, too. They are useful, just not something you would perform while flying passengers or cargo around.

Lol….I hear ya! Kinda like a car. We just go straight down the road (boring) all of the time. Every once in a while tho I like to go off-roading, or do “donuts” when it’s snowing out!