also check out this vid if you wanna hear about my biggest commission screw up ever: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/eJiWjdJ8l9ObgqM.html

the clients trying to be sneaky about commissioning risqué art hurt my soul

i honestly cannot believe how horribly artists are treated online. you have all my respect💕

When you said the client showed total disinterest in characters from popular media I audibly said "Oh No". I knew *exactly* where this was going.

as someone who's spent most of their writing career in nsfw circles, dealing with people trying to hide the fact that they want kink comms remains exhausting. they still try to get stuff past you, but now it's *explicitly* things that your tos says you won't handle. like... buddy. pal. i've been at this for years, i know *exactly* where you're going with this. please stop.

getting a dm from my childhood best friend, whom I hadnt seen in 4 years that said "can you draw monty pregnant 🥺👉👈" about the alligator from fnaf

The thought of doing something risky just to be able to pay the bills has always been super scary. Thinking about the backlash from speaking out against grooming is also scary.

DUDE THAT’S SO MESSED UP

I 100% understand why you would take the commission of your persona, I would 100% have taken it in that situation, bills are bills man you gotta eat and have a place to stay.

I get that asking for nsfw art can be somewhat embarrassing, but like, trying to hide it and then solid snake it in is just stupid and even more embarrassing for both the commissioner and the artist. Just be like "hey, i'd like to commission you for nsfw art if you do it" "Sorry, i don't feel comfortable doing that" "Understandable! Have a nice day!" Like, bruh, come on.

Damn. Ive always heard of commission horror stories and while i personally cannot do commissions- Adhd and depression packs a punch on ya, i have done dm requests and ive never met SUCH entitlement before. I understand being impatient with me. im a slow af artist. but acting like i made some sort of blood pack with you and now i have to bend to your every whim is not something i tolerate. Also, sometimes people just... dont respect boundaries? Im just drawing your fursona, man, i dont need you to vent in graphic detail of a trauma you have. I have my own issues i have to deal with. I can usually tolerate it enough but I couldnt IMAGINE what artists that do commissions have to deal with that cant be talked about bc Mx KZfaq said so.

of course twitter would have a bunch of people defending adults asking MINORS to make nsfw art. wtf??

They thought the speed paints were in real time? HOW?! THAT’S LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE 😂

I had a commissioner that would ask me for updates and progress every. day. every day. For a week. This was during my finals, so I had my hands full with learning and other commissions. I had to tell them every time that I am on it and working on it and I will update them when I make new progress (which I did). They also didn’t pay me yet; in addition I charged 10 bucks. It’s not gonna get done in 3 days :). Sometimes people have no chill and are unnecessarily annoying

Twitter can be a real shit-fest, especially in the art NSFW scene. Because people are too afraid to offend anyone there with their personal quirks and fetishes (including MAP content), twitter has become a toxic and twisted 'pro-positive-eeeverything' place, a place where anything goes and anyone who dares to criticize or draw up limits and personal boundaries is considered an 'anti' within the art twitter community. This is why you ended up being unfollowed by people you considered friends and allies of your work. :c By simply disagreeing with a type of NSFW art content (pro-MAP art, in this case), you automatically got labeled an 'anti'. It's seriously fucked up. A lotta artists in twitter are too self-absorbed in their work to ever acknowledge the type of messages they're sending out to their audience through their work, whether by intention or not. Now, I'm not suggesting artists become Puritans and avoid taboo topics or NSFW work. But we should at least be mindful of what we're creating and putting out into the world. I've heard all sorts of excuses used to justify risque art containing kid characters, namely that these are fictional characters and no one is being harmed. Yet, art intent (or 'art function') still matters. If NSFW art is specifically designed to arouse the senses in the same way porn does, then we have no choice but to consider the INTENT and message of art depicting kid characters in sexual situations. What is its 'intended' function? The answer to that is obvious. It doesn't matter if those children are fictional, Pro-MAP content still exists to sexually arouse its viewers through the depictions of children. It is as vulgar and harmful as a pro-racist comic celebrating the illustrative depictions of a person of color being burned alive. If we as a society don't tolerate pro-racist, pro-sexist depictions and messages in our art, then I feel it's extremely contradictory (and totally fucked up) that we've somehow made an exemption to pro-MAP art.

I hate to commision for bridal or wedding purposes bcz they want realistic styled artwork and when i do it they say make the hair look more nice, curled, make it look thin, and remove excess fat, add jewelry, fix the big nose. Yep thats realistic for them

Your purple persona character is super cute, and I just wanted to say that I think your style is awesome! I hope I can come up with some of my own that I'm as happy with one of these days :)

Bruh, when you get in that situation, it's really hard to figure out where certain boundaries lie, and I'm so sorry you had to go through that! I can't wait until I save up enough to commission from you again though! (Psst, anyone reading this, you should go commission them, especially the character clutter page, they drew it for my partner and that's been their lock screen for several years now I believe)

This stuff is why I'm nervous to start taking commissions, aside from my social anxiety.

Ok I just started watching so I don't know about the rest yet but That speedpaint part where they thought that was the actual time it takes for them to draw the art is hilarious and just stupid-

Bro I might be dumb but that's a whole another level! You honestly deserved a tip

Oh my -.- Sneaking like that is such disrespectful and the fet community uses to do that thinking "yeah whatever, is not nudity", not realizing that what is sexualized enter in a strong gray area. I don't say there can't be SWF fet-art: some artist are extremly good at making cartoonish and not erotic stuff based on a fet topic, but what matters is to be clear and honest. There is no respect in commissions like that, cause try to fool the artist. P.S. Totally agree with you on kids cartoons. I have a fet. And i always found so WRONG arts based on kids show. Expecially modern ones. Cause... you know... if the toon is old AF an no one remembers it, kids will never stumble across it... but modern cartoons: come on! >,>

I have no clue who you are, but you were in my recommended and listening to you rant about this stuff is crazy. Like ugh sometimes commissioner’s are very out there and seem to have no boundaries or awareness.

Underrated channel! I love listening to these videos when I work

"I KNOW... I know, you know" *Insert Spiderman pointing to other Spiderman meme here*

Honestly for the last commsion story. I don't blame you I had to draw alot of... bad things... just to keep up with bills. It was nothing too bad but God did I hate every second of it as someone who else got groomed as a teen like, I sadly do have a nsfw account because let's face it weirdos will practically pay anything for their fet art.

I've always loved your ramble videos!

This week I discovered the concept of "Persona".

As a armature artist who already struggles with getting in the proper art routine, such nastiness like this on top of that is one of many things that make my worry about getting into art more seriously. And as someone who has been on Twitter for the longest time, even now it's not any better with it's influx of nasty people.

Hearing about this is really sickening , because we shouldnt have to be going through this

I've only been commissioned twice, so I don't have any stories to tell lol

I started doing art as a hobby for 2 years and learning fundamentals. I always liked to draw sexy women (like in boudoir photography but anime style), but at the same time I like to draw some sfw, because I think that gives me more freedom to chose what kind of drawings I could do (fantasy, clothes, action. etc.). This month I decided to open commission nsfw with some rules. Still tough, didn`t expect that some people asked for some weeiirrrd shieet. And I don`t know if its normal that the costumer gives you a sketch of what he wants. Why would you want me to draw something you already did? Anyways, I am still happy that my costumers paid me, because this the first time someone pay me for a hobby I love doing.

thank yu for this, it makes me feel less isolated knowing that these bad experiences aren’t just a “me” thing :,0 (though obviously i wish it wasn’t so rampant) i recently experienced one of those commissions with that “smell” even though i’ve stated that i don’t do nsfw work, but i realized way too late and i feel kinda icky aadjabf

I understand this video is over a year old but I just wanted to comment anyhow. You have a stellar style, and I really enjoy how this video was edited and produced, definitely earned a subscriber. As someone who recently started accepting NSFW commissions (out of desperation) the last story made me so sad, I couldn't blame or shame you for having to accept such a discomforting order because I do understand and empathize with your situation greatly. I was worried they were trying to commission something illegal or very problematic, but that doesn't lesson how badly that must've been to deal with. I do hope you're in a better place, and will never have to be forced to breach your own boundaries to get the bills paid. And their response? (And seriously, how the hell is your take controversial? Then again Twitter is a cesspool) Horrifying and repulsive, glad they're no longer a client of yours, but again I can't say I wouldn't do the same if it came down to it.

This should be lesson to every person and they should FINALLY learn it! NOBODY OWES YOU ANYTHING! Artists are not slaves and also the more you force something that CAN NOT be forced the worse it gets! By rushing an artist you ruin your own comission! Simply being available for clients to reach you to politely ask about the comission is fine but artists are not robots! If you pressure them they will mess up the art! Just be patient and treat others as you wish to be treated! Also the refund scam HOLY! That is some straight up evil stuff and to have the audacity to comission you again with said stolen art is just outrageous! I am so sorry that this happened to you! I do not know what sites or apps you use to transfer money but i am on PayPal and it only takes 24 hours on week days to transfer my money. Also i ALWAYS do invoices so if they try to ask the money back they come across some legal evidence that they have agreed to pay the money so they can not just take it back! PayPal took my side multiple times in these!

I really wanted to do some Comissions but Yeah....this is what I'm afraid of...

I'm so mad I found this a year later this is amazing! Your very underated and your voice is so nice and plesent to listen to

not on topic for the conversation but I like how u do the silhouette of the image/person first instead of sketching as most do! It's a really cool technique I might try out next time I do a digital drawing!

The story was really messed up but the background was so pretty

Ooff to that last story

Ooooh, love this video! Hearing about your process is super cool! 😃 Oh, also "Hi Puddle" cause I wad told to lol

Geez I'm sorry that all that happend!!

That situation is super tough… especially when you’re hella attached to your persona. I mean… it’s YOU… but desperate times come with desperate measures. I’d do it too… And then bury it deep in my mind clear my history clear everything fml but hey my bills are paid!

after being scammed for game comms twice, I started asking for some payment before hand >.> I learned fast, but this sucks that it happens to people

I like the hoodie you drew in the background!

Wow Koda that's crazy.😱

People can be the actual worst. Wow, just wow

I think I was up front with my fairy when I got her commed a long time ago. I think she fit in line with the whole sfw image, not too fetishy, but the character was one that was used for NSFW reasons. Don't remember how that one went exactly

Your channel is really underrated, new sub :))

damn that is not okayyy

Oh God I can relate 😫

Man... stupidy on a whole other level!! AAAAHAHAHAHAHAH! I am talking about he real time story... Help those brains!

Honestly, with that NSFW story, I would have charged more for alterations to the final product. No way can they disrespect your time like that.

Wow ya the speed paints been done in real time? That's ridiculous. I am going to be honest but I don't have that view anymore but if you had asked me 15 years ago I would have said 30 dollars (usd) would only be ok if it's high quality and you really like the artist's styles. The last scenario is very hard cos when you need money but that not just morally dubious but it's very personal. Don't think I would have done it either but can understand the temptation.

I tryed doing comminsions before but none customers were good enough lol

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I am a new artist especially to digital art and I don’t do coms but rather requests at free so there wouldn’t be any promise of a great result so one day a person request a three page comic and I realised that this was way over my league and I am not always drawing becuz I have a life outside which made me guilt trip myself and try to finish the work ASAP and I had never drawn comics nor projects with characters of more than 3 which this had that and 8 characters. I finished the lineart but the person with the free request said the work looked nothing like the reference and now I just had a feeling of guilt coming over me when I realised that I just couldn’t get myself to colour the lineart

video is very pog. im subscribing

I'm a artist and I find fetish stuff really ew also pregnancy art makes me very uncomfortable because they aren't wholesome they are downright weird now some can be very wholesome but when you make every character or oc pregnant that is where I draw the line

I just found you.... And I like your content!

I have only ever had to invoike the excessive changes rule once and it was defiantly a fetish thing. I'm not going to kink shame and say exactly what it was but after every iteration it was “can you make X bigger.” “If X was any bigger this character would be crushed under the weight of the massive X.” and no its was not boobs nor was it a sausage. But after 4 or 5 iterations I told them that enough was enough. I had a commission quite recently where I accepter the commission at night and told them I would get started in the morning. They then told me that discod said I was playing a game and that why am I playing games when I have work too do. I immediately gave them their money back. That's a big red flag for me. I don't want to be hounded for the duration of work

9:19 Hey as long as the cheque clears that's all that matters ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But I'm an NSFW artist to begin with, so your mileage may vary.

"To which they complained that it shouldn't take 2 days to finish a 4 character piece" Meanwhile me over here who can barely finish a 2 character piece in a week :') Also, I know Twitter can be absolute bs when it comes to serious topics but..... why tf is "Adults shouldn't groom minors into making them nsfw art" controversial? Hello?! It should be *obvious* why it's bad 😭

I swapped of to my fet account just to comment(yay double views!~) i would 100% recommend having a seperate nsfw account, i have never ever had a creepy or uncomfortable comissioner while doing fet stuff. Most of it may have to do with luck of the draw, but i sincerely think that its because everyone who asks me for coms just accepts and understands that I openly do fet stuff and is therefore not sneaky about it. it might also have to do with the feet community, being arguably the most surface level and widely known fet there is. Once you get into my categories all shame goes out the window and before you know it you have drawn things youve only seen in nightmares for the jollies of someone you hope you'll never meet irl XD and i 100% agree with your decision to make nsfw stuff of your persona. if i was single id do it for funsies, but being in a relationship would make it feel too scandelous i think . im sure my boyfriend wouldnt appreciate it XD

how do they do chargebacks? in bank you can close this option as far as i know so people cant take their money on their own ...or am i wrong? when i shop online i can't return money by myself only can ask for refund...is it bad only with paypal that people can charge back on their own? i have a child to feed so i know also the struggle of having to care of yourself alone as well

puddle artsona cute

im not a talented artist but want to do commissions, any tips?

Comment for the algo..rytm thing lol I'm tired

Your persona looks so damn cute and nice.

How did we get to the point where people defend depicting kids in nsfw content?

Comment regardless because of algorithm.

He thought you painted that fast in the speed paint WHEEEZE Bruh if you painted that fast tho I think your hand would break off if it hited max speed little Joke tho Imagine painting that fast tho

Has anyone asked you to draw an oc that is actually a puddle?

woooooow o,o

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Sad to say but I’ve sold risky ones of my personas for bills too… 😅😅😅 It’s usually good money but the feeling of guilt and blehhhhh. This is someone that doesn’t really mind doing n- s- f. w art but for own persona it just felt different.

How horrible. Big yikes. On the second I’d nope out there real quick. (I also only do sfw, and fully willing to commit to not crossing my set bounds even in extraneous surcumstance) it is understandable though following through with the commissions. 🫡