That's what I'm discovering too :)

Yep - part three will cover the installation of a rom-switcher :)

I loved mine back in the day, the upgrade from the c64 to a600 was way better than a600 to pc.

Thanks very much - appreciated :) :)

It was launched 5 years after that Amiga 500 and yet used the same old processor, also the same processor from the A1000 which was launched 7 years before. They should've either launched with a much lower price, or put a 68020 in the machine. Form factor is indeed nice though, it could've been a success.

The PCMCIA slot might be useful now for Amiga users, but in the 90s very little use was gotten out of it, and I suspect that it played a part in the general dissatisfaction with the machine and also its cost (originally dubbed the A300, it was intended to be a cheaper version of the A500). There were a few RAM cards but it was slower access than a direct interface such as the A500 side slot. A few years after Commodore went bust you could get a nice little 2x CD drive via PCMCIA, but that's about it. The IDE was a decent idea, though then again did it play a part in the high cost of the machine? I'm sure it would have been great for any A600 users who chose to get one, though I imagine most folk who could afford one in the couple of years before Commodore went down would have plumped for an A1200 without a hard disk for less money than an A600HD. It's essentially an A500+ without any ability to use side slot or trapdoor A500 expansions, no NUMPAD and it was more expensive - £400 in 1992! The A500+ had itself only been out a year, then they release the A600 with a price which suggests it was a modest upgrade and stop production of the most popular Amiga ever, the A500. It rang alarm bells with me when I saw the specs; it made no sense and indicated to me that Commodore were far from the expert computer company that I had believed they were.

@@danyoutube7491Agree an easy cost cut there. I guess they wanted to put and expansion slot of some description anyway but then can internally upgrade with combination of bottom expansion and HD interface

All good points - and following this, and some other advise, I'll be putting the bottom shield back in :)

That is a valid question at the end. There are also people who have a sort of or kind of alergy towards RF noise. They can never live around mobile phones and wifi routers. I guess it was not a problem in the old days, because things were shielded better.

@@brostenen - There's no evidence that such an "allergy" exists. Those people's problems tend to be psychiatric in nature.

@@paulharker7184 That is why I wrote "sort og" and "kind of". Because I did not remember the exact english word. Reason bring that English is not my native language.

There's still a few of us using Amigas for packet radio on HF (especially 20m). Come and join us: 14.105 LSB 300 baud :)

Couldn't agree more!

There's a very cheap 10ukp wifi network stack dongle for the ZX Spectrum, use some 80MHz wonder SoC ARM, it could be programmed to be an accelerator for the Spectrum or any other 8bit....

Thanks very much and glad you’re enjoying the channel :)

You’re not alone in thinking that :)

One of the retro computing youtube channels (can't remember which one) had an interview with the former Commodore UK boss and that seemed to be his opinion as well.

It went downhill as soon as Jack Tramiel left.

@@V3ntilator By all accounts he was an arsehole and a crook whose treatment of various third parties did Commodore's reputation, and therefore the Amiga, no favours in the long run.

:) Thanks - I'll make sure she comes out looking absolutely fabulous! :)

Yep, so did I. Simple men loves Amiga!!

I have a similar love and respect for my A500 - it's not a plus, never had a 600 or 1200 and never really felt I missed out :). I'm wondering if this 600 (when fully modded up) will change my mind? :) Thanks for watching :)

@@TheRetroShack I think the problem today is a lot of folk are contaminated with technology of today so they can’t see technology for what it was way back when! When I got my Amiga a500 it blew my mind because their simply wasn’t anything else for the home market that could compete with it! Sadly today, I tend to ignore most folk who talk yesterday’s tech because it’s always tainted with megahertz, frames per second, blah blah blah! For me, it was and always will be a joy to remember how much fun me and my mates had just playing and enjoying a game for what it was!! Enjoying your channel having recently stumbled upon you! Keep up the good work, it’s appreciated!

@@SamM-oh2cx Thanks! And couldn’’t agree more!

Now that surprises me! I don't know why (probably with CBM being an American company) but I always thought the Amiga was popular across the pond - perhaps not :)

@@TheRetroShack We were thoroughly entrenched in the IBM and IBM Compatible market for business, the Apple II and Macintosh lines for education machines, and the C64 dominating the low-end. CBM tried marketing the Amiga as a business machine, but it never caught on. Atari made the same mistake with the ST over here, too. The only success that Commodore had with the Amiga in North America was in broadcasting and entertainment-- namely, with Video Toaster and Lightwave 3D. We never got any of the games that you guys in the UK did!

Thanks fort the advise - all good points, but I will do my own recap because I'm clearly a sadist! :) :)

Thanks for sharing! And glad you're enjoying the channel :)

And if anyone is an authority on this - it's you Sir! Glad to see you on the channel. :)

Can you clarify that audio thing? Removing some component makes audio cleaner?

@@betterbeavailable they are labelled C321 and C331. They are on the underside of the 600 motherboard.

Just desolder them.

@@HoffmanKZfaq and then what happens?

I will grudgingly admit that it IS cute :) :)

Oooooh the possibilities! I love to speculate like this :) :)

Hi Stoo - would you mind getting in touch with me at shackofretro@gmail.com - thanks :)

Personally I would have ditched PCMCIA. I have no idea how much it cost and I know it has turned out to be useful for retro users these days, but in the time it was actually being sold the PCMCIA slot was barely utilised for either the A600 or A1200. The internal IDE was a good idea though. Perhaps the A500+ with an A600 sized mobo and IDE would have been a better product.

Me either :)

And unfortunately, they had :(

A600 was from Commodore Germany if I recall, A500+ was USA.

I'm certainly looking forward to getting this all pimped up :) :)

Civilisation - going to have to dig that out and give it a go!

Oh gosh, even on my A1200 with fast ram, the frame rate in Frontier (and Dune II) is barely acceptable. I can only imagine what it's like to play on an A500.

Oh Wayne... Like me you fell from the Amiga to the depths of PC ownership... What are we like? :) :)

Darn! Wish I'd known that - I'll pop the hashtag in the description and tags anyway, even if I'm late to the party :) Thanks for watching and good luck with your Amiga :)

@@TheRetroShack Really sorry I missed contacting you as I love your channel. I scoured channels I knew and contacted them but didn't want to bother everyone since many are busy and not everyone does Amiga and not everyone likes doing themes. We still have a few days and a few of us have more videos coming out this weekend so not too late. It's been small but nice and we even had a 100K channel joined in on one. I think it'll be about the size of the first SepTandy which was about 30 videos. If there's interest we'll be more organized next year and have more folks join in (SepTandy grew in its second year to about 120 and they are already in planning for this fall).

@@8BitRetroJournal I'll be all over it next year! :)

I am come VARTA destroyer of mainboards!

That's lovely - and a nice memory :)

I'm hoping that through this process I'm going to learn to love it too :) - At least until I get my hands on an A1200 :) :) Thanks for watching!

PS I love your channel and particularly the one about the BBC, i highest recommend an an acorn Archimedes as it simply blows me away every time I fire it up

@@leelangley3705 Archimedes coming up soon :) :) Glad you’re enjoying the channel :)

The A500 is a big beastie for sure :) :)

Good tip on the RF Shield - thanks!

Agreed, adding a Furia and addition chip ram is a no brainer. The A600 with Furia is a Compact and super fast Amiga for limited space desks. If you can live without the numerical pad for external View on games such as ArmourGeddon and F18 Interceptor, then you're golden. Just get another A500 to whip out, if need the numerical pad lol.

@@yeogav Agree. It’s a fantastic machine as long as flight sims isn’t your thing.

You have _a pile_ of 1200's...?! I'm not jealouse, I'm just happy for you [cries in broken 600]

You know what? You're right! Never really thought about it before but you're absolutely right! Why is that??

Can confirm, is the metal plated a certain way for RF suppression?

@@falken_gt4 Isn't it covered in Nickel or Tin? EDIT: Maybe Zinc plated?

They're cad plated but it's very thin. Being in contact with other metals the cadmium goes away and allows the steel under to rust.

Not all RF Modulators go rusty; I have seen several examples of the Aztec UM1233 that was commonly used in 8-bit computers that looked as bright and shiny as the day they were made.

Glad you enjoyed it :)

Oops! Amazing when you look back at all the stuff you ruined as a kid and now look back with regret! I had a 007 Aston Martin Dinky(?) car and distinctly remember smashing the thing to pieces on the skirting board... :)

@@TheRetroShack Oh yeah, wish someone would make some replica shells, so I can put right my mistake. 500 and 1200 easy to get, but no 600. But oh yeah, I smashed a few matchbox car windscreens to simulate them in a crash or had bulletholes :(

@@Larry A600 is picking up in popularity. I reckon replica cases will start appearing at some point.

@@WDeranged fingers crossed!

I...... put an original first press Beatles record on an antique gramophone and it absolutely.... just please don't tell my dad, he still doesn't know after 30 years.

Fab joysticks - just SO big!!!!

@@TheRetroShack oh totally.. just wanted one to scratch that nostalgia itch really.. goes with my 2 comp pros and zip stick.. just want to get a clear comp pro now..

The A600 was simultaneously ahead of its time with features such as PCMCIA and onboard IDE support, yet slightly obsolete as it was the last of the 68000s. Capacitors notwithstanding, the A600 has aged exceptionally well IMHO.

It was just a strange offering at the time and diluted Commodores research, manufacturing and marketing budget which could/should have been focused on truly next-gen stuff. But at least now I have things to talk about :) :)

@@OzRetrocomp The A600 had the first 68000. The original 68000 released in 1979, in a machine released late 1992. The A600 was obsolete junk when it was new.

@@jimb12312 If you like new obselete, try the 1986 Oric Atmos, lovely keyboard and csse, shame about the circa 1976 innards.

So Doom Doomed the Amiga :)

Yes - international shipping is taking AGES at the moment :(. Good luck with the PiStorm :)

You're going to LOVE the next Atari video then :) :)

Who really knows what was going through the mind of Commodore through the early 90's? The good news is that today we get to be able to use the machines, and speculate to our heart's content :)

@@TheRetroShack True.... However look at what systems Mehdi Ali was the man behind. I think that is a strong indication on what he wanted with the 600.

Originally there were two projects, the A250 which only ran on ROM cartridges and had no bootable media, and the A300, which could either boot from a flash drive or use a floppy drive. The suggestion of shipping games on PCMCIA cards was never taken seriously, as developers made it clear that games on ROM were too costly to make, which is why the A250 was canned pretty early in its developement. Management was intent on killing the A500, as they hated the fact 3rd-party developers could make add-on cards for the A500 and that did not benefit Commodore's bottom line. The A600, with its PCMCIA slot, was the solution to screwing companies like GVP. Another one of Mehdi Ali's brilliant decisions. Ultimately, the A600 was a decent machine, but way too expensive in its day due to the SMD manufacturing. The engineers insisted the machine would cost less to manufacture, because they didn't listen to their parts specialist, who warned them that SMD parts cost a fortune. Between management and the engineers, there was plenty of blame to go around for Commodore's failure.

@@Waccoon I know. The only true heroes are the engineers.

Sega and Nintendo were making big bucks at the time selling cartridge games. That's why. What they didn't have was built in floppy drives to make them rather easy to crack and copy. Unlike Amigas.

Apparently there was a 'software workaround' so you know that would have been terrible :)

It's an interesting question and I guess because I'm interested in new tech just as much as 'old' tech I am quite interested in seeing all these FPGA solutions etc. I love the Spectrum Next and things like the Pi Storm, but I also have computers that just like to keep original, or 'sympathetically' upgrade - as in; as if it were 'of it's time'. Really good question! Thanks :)

I agree with you whole heartedly. Having been planning on getting mine recapped I looked at all the upgrades but I too felt some would just make it pretty much another machine entirely which I don't think I like the idea of.

@@Tetlee I’m all for tricking out an Amiga as far as we can push it, but there are some upgrades I feel violate the spirit of the machine, if that’s a meaningful term. I’m not precisely sure where the line is, or even if it stays in the same place on a case by case basis. It’s a really vague sense. I guess it depends on how much of the original hardware is working, and how well it’s working.

You're right! It kind of does feel like the shorter, stockier, heavier little brother :) :)

Can you explain how it was a downgrade? Wasn’t it more that is wasn’t much of an upgrade? Was it because they got rid of the numeric keypad or were there other things?

@@OldAussieAds Yes the key pad removal made things a little less productive for software that benefited it.

@@OldAussieAds It also did away with the A500 side expansion slot, so it couldn't use any of the 'sidecar' expansions for the A500 - RAM upgrades, SCSI hard disks, 68020 & 68030 accelerators, the A570 CD-ROM drive. The trapdoor expansion slot was not compatible either, and I think it was a bit smaller (and therefore more awkwad to use, and harder to design cards that would fit) and there were very few expansion cards created for it. So you got an A500+, essentially, without the NUMPAD or expansion options, for a higher price. Admittedly there was the potential internal hard disk at a lower price than the external A500 ones, but that is about the only plus point in my view. I don't count the PCMCIA slot as a plus point because in the 1990s it was a bad alternative to the expansion slot; it is just a fluke, really, that it today has some use for modern removable storage devices.

I'm certainly looking forward to getting this little machine up and running and getting to know it a lot better - maybe I'll end up loving it more than my A500? :)

Thanks - I try to take the advice on-board :)

Not consciously! I’ll have to watch it back :) Welcome aboard! Glad to have you here :)

Such a shame really as I'm finding it to be quite a little cutie :) :)

A bit silly? But how else would it be taken seriously as a business machine? Oh yeah - it wasn't :) But I still LOVE the Amiga 500 more than any other Amiga, mostly because it was what I had growing up I guess :)

@@TheRetroShack An Amiga dealer told me in the mid 90s that people hanging on to A500s and not buying A1200s was going to send him broke, It did. I just bought an A600 from ebay..

@@anthonybarbati9969 Hope you enjoy your new 600 :) :)

@@TheRetroShack The A600 has arrived!!! I found an A600 once amongst footpath rubbish, I took home and for some reason I latter threw it out.....and probably much for the reason the original owner threw it out....

Thanks for sharing - I'm envious of your 1200 :) :)

@@TheRetroShack The Best AMIGA FOR HOME IS AMIGA 500+ / Amiga 1200

Wow! Now there a kick to the old memory - the LED light and sound filtering - I'd forgotten all about that but now remember it clear as day!

I have an older Amiga500 revision, with a red Power LED that even goes off when the filter is switched off.

Next part up tomorrow :)

How much would you pay for an Amiga 600 in 2023? I know someone selling one and it seems a bit high, but maybe I’m misunderstanding their rarity.

Couldn't agree more :) Thanks for watching!

@@TheRetroShack Thanks for the passion! And looking forward for part 2! Cheers, M

;)

Funny! :)

Well, as I’ve learned recently - they’re not useless at all. They still impact Radio signals so if you live near any amateur radio buffs you’ll be potentially annoying them. But for the most part modern equipment is susceptible to RF interference than older stuff so it’s largely seen as an overkill these days. I’m sure the amateur radio folks will set me right if I’ve gotten any of that wrong :)

@@TheRetroShack Yes I've been looking into this a bit. I've been purchasing a few Atari 2600 games and those who don't have an RF shield in the cart seem more blurry and the audio gets the occasional "wweeeeaarrrooouuggg" weird audio nterference once in a while. I'm trying to make some home made shields with mild success so far, but we'll see. I have at least 2 radio stations less than a minute walk from my place but I doubt that's what is interfering. When I use the scanner, the radio waves are very dense on many frequencies here and there are many AR users all over the place here. I'll have to ask them if Jungle Hunt is screwing up their Sunday transmissions ;)

Yep - can't disagree about it being a cute little thing!

Sounds like a monster! Thanks for watching :)

@@TheRetroShack It couldn't run Linux at the time without overheating and the machine shutting down. Wish I'd kept it now, and I wish I'd kept my A4000 which wasn't anywhere near as speedy, but hey ho.

@@TheRetroShack P.S: The Blizzard was a 50MHz 030 with MMU, the maths libs could also utilise the FPU transparently, which was nice :)

I went straight from the A500 to an 80286 :) Bit of a shock to the system!

I thought the GoEX was an FDD replacement with the Flashfloppy firmware? I'll double check. For the HDD I've gone for a nice, simple IDE to CF Card adapter :)

Got one somewhere but it wasn’t to hand so I was extra gentle and no nuts were harmed in the production of this episode :) :)

Yes it’’s been a bit of an education reading some of the comments here and I must admit I didn’t realise that removing the shields these days could cause this kind of issue. Don’t worry - it’s going back in :)

​@@TheRetroShack People think radio is a thing of the past, mainly through ignorance that is not their fault. It's not a thing of the past. Digital radio is not immune to RFI. It just behaves differently. With a digital radio signal you won't "hear" the interference. The only clue you will have that it is there, is when the noise floor reaches a level sufficient to just render the signal unusable, at which point, it will just disappear. So in other words.. that's DRB radio, which is still radio _(why anyone wants DRB is beyond me, as it sounds bloody awful)._ Analogue radio is of course still widely used, and not just by people like me either. Air traffic uses AM _(the modulation mode that is the most susceptible to interference)_ for regional ATC and SSB for transatlantic HF comms. While being phased out, VOR navigation beacons use AM too. Analogue FM is still widely used for domestic radio broadcasts, and even things like car key fob remote locking uses simple PCM at UHF frequencies that can easily be interfered with by harmonics from computer clock generators if not shielded. While far less likely to be interfered with by an Amiga, a modern PC with poor shielding will easily interfere with 4 or 5G cell phones... and yes... those are just radios too. Radio is not a thing of the past. I'm sure you've had a good written lashing over this already, but the HF radio spectrum is under assault from a deluge of crap Chinese devices (mainly switched mode power supplies) that are just making short wave radio communication problematic. There's also the ignorance displayed in people using power line Ethernet adaptors that send data over the domestic power supply. They're evil. Even broadband itself is deafening the HF radio spectrum because here in the UK we're backward, and still use a balanced twisted copper pair to transit RF up to 14MHz or higher _(Yes, your broadband is radio frequency over copper wires even if you've been conned into thinking you are on "fibre")._ Basically... HF radio signals are being pumped through coper wires, hundreds of metres long, usually suspended in the air _(thus making great antennas for HF)_ from telegraph poles ... it's a nightmare. This is why I opt to get shafted by Virgin for my ISP as they use a buried coaxial cable to the house, and not the stupid ancient twisted pair designed to carry essentially nothing more than an audio signal. Please respect radio. You'll miss it once it's been rendered useless by ever increasing noise levels that authorities are sweeping under the carpet in order to make short term profits. I'm glad you appreciate the problem. David G0SLV

Oh...and also... that RF shield is there to prevent your Amiga being interfered with as much as the other way around, and that is FAR more likely these days than it was in the 1990s when it was built.

:)

Yep, imagine if they just spent all the money they spent on the A600 into making the 1200 truly amazing! :)

@@TheRetroShack yeah . The 68020 and 2meg ram was good . The AGA , not so much. I guess it’s the issue of trying to be all things to all people. Makes it financially difficult to compete with something( e.g consoles) , that can only do one thing.

Spot on!

Yep - When I clean something - it knows it's been cleaned :) :)

Me either :) :). Probably why back in the day I only ever had the A500

Well the A2000 was a very important improvement over the A1000, despite being a simple one and the CPU remaining the same. The A2000 and A500 are essentially the two versions of the A1000 that should have existed in the first place, though to be fair they made these more cost effective versions with experience under their belt. The A2000 has many internal Zorro slots (Zorro II in fact, a faster bus than the A1000/A500 side slot) and a couple of ISA slots for adding a PC bridgeboard. That encouraged a wave of expansion cards for the Amiga and made it more successful as a productivity machine, and it also had a larger case that could accomodate an internal hard disk and two floppy drives, including a 5.25" one (useful if using the PC bridgeboard because a lot of PC drives were 5.25" and continued to be into the early 1990s). Also, the main advantages of the Amiga lay in its custom chips; to some extent the processor was not very important for a lot of usage, certainly not compared to PCs or Macs where the CPU was doing most of the work. The A500/A600 didn't need to have a faster processor (though double the clock speed would have been nice for early 3D games like flight sims, to run at a nicer frame rate), they needed to have the right timing for the custom chips to do their thing optimally, to be compatible with the existing library of software and to be very affordable, all of which the 68000 @7Mhz provided. What neb said is also true, however. They were not in great financial shape after launching the A1000 and axed a huge amount of staff, including most Amiga staff, which left them a bit crippled in their ability to keep enhancing the Amiga, and those original staff who remained drifted away as Commodore refused to make improvements because of cost fears.

Spot on!

AAA cost a fortune, though. It followed a "kitchen sink" philosophy and was way too much hardware for what it offered. There was never a use for it except in high-end machines, and that all came to an end after the disastrous launch of the A3000.

@@Waccoon I am sure the hardware dev's might have a few interesting comments on that. Given that the onslaught of hardware development for the PC was rampant from 386/486/pentium and its parts ISA to PCI IDE and SCSI having better hardware and thus higher performing software would be paramount. So the question would be without either how does one compete when you are being out gunned?.

@@sethrd999 PCI didn't exist when AAA was in development, IDE didn't have DMA support, and SCSI required its own dedicated DMA controller to be fast. Intel's standards weren't better by a longshot. Remember that Commodore was a billion dollar company at the time and had their own line of PC clones using custom chips. Commodore wasn't out-gunned, they (both management and the engineers) just made really bad decisions. They also wasted a huge amount of time and money designing computers nobody wanted, like more 8-bit machines, and a dedicated UNIX system based on (of all things) a Zilog CPU. WTF? Commodore refused to focus on the Amiga. AAA was doomed from the start because it tried to suit low-end DRAM systems, high-end VRAM systems, and maintain backwards compatibility with OCS at the same time. It also still required external bus hardware whether the system had expansion slots or not, because Commodore wanted to use AAA with both 68K and 88K CPUs, which were not bus compatible. Back then, you couldn't make an affordable computer with 8+ custom chips targeting multiple CPUs and both single and dual-ported memory. That was crazy. On top of that, AAA was supposed to include a DSP, which requires dedicated memory of its own. Even most arcade machines at the time didn't have that much hardware! You have to read the specs and schematics to understand what a mess AAA was. Nobody was keeping costs under control. AA+ and Hombre was the reasonable way forward, but by the time Commodore figured out that strategy, they were out of money and couldn't make it happen. Too bad, since Hombre was designed to use OpenGL right from the start, and I can only imagine how different the world would have been today had we skipped the decade "3D accelerators" and proprietary APIs like Glide.

@@Waccoon What ever we describe as good / bad hardware decisions etc etc is really moot since Commodore through serious bad management failed. They needed a strategy and did not come up with one thus did not evolve so any arguments now are purely semantic..

That really paints a nice picture of the A600. More accurately, it was the small version of the A500+ without the expansion potential at a higher price! :)

:) The wisdom of Commodore :)

Then you need enough RAM to make use of it. Even the A1200 was underpowered when putting AGA to good use with just 2mb of Chip RAM. A 1mb AGA machine would be pointless because in practice you wouldn't be able to achieve more than a 1mb ECS machine.

@@danyoutube7491 they could have made it with two mb also, you could then chose between two formats. What happened was people buying a A600 and a few months later A1200 was out, what a bummer

Mostly true, although I'm too nervous to put my A600 out on display due to the risk of yellowing.

Weird is a good adjective to use! Personally, nothing outshines the A500 for me (except perhaps a BBC Micro) :)

Difficult to say at the moment as it's all in bits awaiting the capacitors to arrive :) I'll reserve judgment for part 2 (or maybe part 3 when it's all modded up :) )

@@TheRetroShack You're planning on doing the recap yourself!? Absolute madlad. 😁

Go for it - you can give me some advise on good 600 friendly games to try :)

So. Many. Questions... :) :)

​@@TheRetroShack Bad caps, IDE disintegrated, PCMCIA never worked, RGB (no R), B/W composite with noise, no numeric. :-D

@@104d_3rr0r_vince Ouch! I feel your pain!

I hate all my Amigas, they make me laugh when I compare them with my Acorn 32 bit workstations.

@@Archimedes75009 We know that Zarchos, talk to your therapist about Shadow of the Beast.

And yet it could do Shadow of the Beast........Still waiting for the Archimedes 8mhz 512k version lol

@@Galahadfairlight stamp size 288x192 display with no AI. Still waiting for your 32x32 bouncing balls demo. I even give you 8 Mbytes of fast ram, your tortoise won't beat the Archie anyway.

Good to see a 30 year old debate still going strong :) :)

@@Archimedes75009 no idea what you're talking about, but its a matter of record on EAB that you took up the challenge over TWO years ago to get a 512k 8mhz Archimedes to do Beast. Never mind any faux challenges, you have yet to achieve this one, we all know why, and maybe when you've reached adult maturity, you will understand why it is the Amiga can sleepwalk through a game like Beast, and an Arc will struggle. You'll eat your "toy computer" jibe. Either complete the challenge or back down, because no-one has another year for your excuses as to why it is you can't do it. Tick tick, times running out for you.

@@Galahadfairlight All wrong, but people who know you won't be surprised. You can't do Beast on the Amoeba in 352 x 258 btw, so don't compare this hilarious 'low spec' sort of a game and what I am working on ( when I have the time and the will. ) It is a little bit more challenging than your pale 25 fps ST games conversions ROTFL