Common Cornering Mistakes To Avoid!

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Learning how much grip you have is one of the most challenging parts of Mountain Biking as there are so many variables, if you go just a bit too far in the lean or too fast then you could have a crash! Join Neil Donoghue out in sunny Spain for a quick lesson on how to corner like a pro and avoid any nasty crashes!
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0:00 - Intro
0:28 - Taking your foot off
1:03 - Going wide
1:32 - Don't be a sheep
2:04 - Not getting weight low
2:40 - Cornering worse one way
3:11 - Dragging your brakes
3:40 - Washing out
4:35 - Steering into the corner
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@olik136 Жыл бұрын

I avoid all those mistakes by not having trails in my area..

@bengovich Жыл бұрын

✌️😂

@n3ox242 Жыл бұрын

I feel that 😭

@overseer_grimal Жыл бұрын

True story. I live near the forest where the most of the trails are basically gravel roads and they are straight. There are a couple of sort of downhill trails which are too short to truly enjoy descending and you can ride them even on a xc hardtail

@destinhook3826 Жыл бұрын

Move or travel!

@Beercanbikelife Жыл бұрын

Dig some

@out__sider 7 ай бұрын

I have always really liked the folks at GMBN because of their friendly, humane and down-to-earth approach. Thank you for your work!

@j.albertogratacos2076 Жыл бұрын

I think another common mistake is not leaning the bike enough - especially in flat corners. By leaning the bike more, you're exposing the side knobs of the tire to the ground. These are designed for turning. The center knobs are good for braking but tend not to do so well in corners. At first you will feel like you're over-leaning the bike.

@stevencole7331 Жыл бұрын

Yes leaning the bike to turn is actually safer than turning with the bars . When that wheel is turned to much it locks up . Also it creates resistance tire to ground leaning keeps the tire straight .

@LaurentiusTriarius 7 ай бұрын

You understand that concept instantly when you take a performance driving course for sports bike, or even motocross I've learned that concept in 95 when I tried a motocross for the first time, most underrated cornering skill in MTB, Jeff Kendall Weed is probably one of the few "bigger" KZfaqrs who leans enough...

@frankhamel2744 Жыл бұрын

I feel like there could be a whole video to explain how counter-steering works. Happy was in the last 10 seconds of the video. 😅

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion, Frank! 👊

@gepetto____4669 Жыл бұрын

I liked that last tip, thanks!

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the support!

@horusgarcia1 Жыл бұрын

I have seen some other advice to lean the bike not the body. I have found that if I lean forward, like an XC rider, I will have more confidence in the curve. However, more importantly, it's the tires.

@anitalandkroon Жыл бұрын

Great video 😃 corners 😳😳 too much braking that's my problem 😳😳 videos like this are always welcome

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it, Anita! Yeah, it's something we all struggle with. 😅 Thanks for watching! 🙌

@petersteadman841 Жыл бұрын

Wkd show for sure! I love corners I have a sneaky suspension that it's where a lot of time is lost.

@BurntBagle Жыл бұрын

Just entering a mountain biking club in my highschool. This is super helpful!

@jfs6545 Жыл бұрын

Great one, Neil. I would have liked to see the counter steer technique from the front though!!

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

Maybe we could make a video explaining this more in-depth?

@haroldthomas1077 Жыл бұрын

Great video, Neil! Sharing this with my wife who's just getting into MTB. Another mistake that I have been focused on myself is leaning your body more than your bike. I'm trying hard to always lean my bike more than my body to make the most of the tire cornering knobs. I think Blake covered this in an older episode, and Aaron Gwin has a fantastic video on it.

@t_to_the_homschen7270 Жыл бұрын

He Leans his bike not his hody. Its more like pushing the bike. His Body is upright.....same as cornering slow on a motorbike

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Harold! Yeah, that's quite a common mistake. Moving with the bike will help with getting a more natural feeling in corners. 👍

@isevo Жыл бұрын

Thanks

@ddsgardening7437 Жыл бұрын

Neil your an excellent teacher even after 4decades of mtbing I'm still learning Cheers mate 🇦🇺

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

Great to hear DD! Never too old!

@viperdemonz-jenkins Жыл бұрын

good tips.

@stevencole7331 Жыл бұрын

A bit of a slight drag on the brakes is not a bad idea especially if it's a blind corner . It really difficult to get the right speed into a turn . I never really agreed with no brake within a corner . Many times braking only right before a turn you may not brake enough and to to fast or brake to much and go to slow so that slight modulation works for me

@daveanselmi684 Жыл бұрын

This is AWESOME Neil, harkens back to that vid you made with Peaty- 'Don't be a sheep". PLEASE make another video, longer etc about cornering. Your pro DH experience and super friendly approach is really helpful, & we learn a LOT!!

@joshuadaggerhomeaccount6224 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tips neil I always wash out on corners as im a speed freak and love going fast Love the content from the gmbn team you never fail to teach me something new

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

Glad you found this video useful, Joshua! Haha! That's not always a bad way to be, just remember to keep a good body position and to lay off the brakes in corners. Safe riding! 🤘

@horusgarcia1 Жыл бұрын

I would rather washout than TOB.

@88davidw Жыл бұрын

Useful tips, thanks 😊

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful, David! Thanks for the support!

@ThisRandomGuyYouDidntNotice Жыл бұрын

foot down always reminds me of those dirtbike loops, imo makes sense on very loose ground/sand but apart from that... nice list btw!

@popchart Жыл бұрын

My biggest problem is uphill hairpin bends. Find it hard to maintain momentum and the same time try to stop the bike wanting to go straight ahead! Verderers in FOD is a classic location for this!

@connorplow Жыл бұрын

Great vid Neil!

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Connor! 👍

@DanielMores Жыл бұрын

Push left go left. My Counter-steering mantra.

@user-gp2zz8sz6b Жыл бұрын

When to Counter Steer ? Looking at the video you seem NOT to Counter Steer, but indeed pull in the handle bar to turn in that direction. On motorbikes there's a definite point where forward speed means Counter Steer, and only, Counter Steer.

@dadventuretv2538 Жыл бұрын

I think both taking foot off and dragging brake are mostly mental. I find when I haven’t ridden in a while or as much in a while and am lacking confidence in knowing where my grip break point is tends to be when I’ll drag my brake. I’ll also find myself grabbing some brake when I don’t need to before jumps and drops for the same reason- just mental insecurity. As I ride more it goes away. One solution I found to get rid of the habit quickly is to stop covering the brake on trails I know well. So when riding well know trails where I know the speed for the turns, I’ll brake appropriately prior and then consciously make myself not cover the brake and put all my fingers on the grip. I’ll do the same thing for jumps and drops. A couple rides of this and that grabbing and dragging in the turn or just before a feature goes away- mentally I have the trust again in my tires and grip and bike and I can go back to covering the brake when I need to and not go grabbing it out of comfort.

@nickcoulter973 Жыл бұрын

The thing I always struggle with is keeping my elbows too stiff. I have to remind myself, at the beginning of every ride, to keep my elbows loose and flowy. If I don't do this I won't get enough weight on my front tire, and I won't create good bike/body separation. Which means that railing corners tends to end in me washing out the front and hitting the dirt.

@zachcooley5955 Жыл бұрын

The counter steering concept is hard to grasp. The best way I know how to explain it is push left lean left go left and push right lean right go right. The push left or right is which hand you slightly push the handlebars away from you with.

@Twowheeledchaos Жыл бұрын

Third clip does exactly what he said not to in clips 1 & 2. Lol

@GANENDRAGIRI Жыл бұрын

Nice tips Neil,.. great video shot ,. Thx for sharing

@nicklowe536 Жыл бұрын

Counter steering sounds like a Scandinavian flick in rallying. I totally understand what you mean and can't wait to try it

@Pastamistic Жыл бұрын

You're already doing it subconsciously. It's the only way to change direction on a bicycle or motorcycle. It's absolutely worth understanding and practicing it!

@Wheelsanstuff Жыл бұрын

Basically every component. But tires is one that sticks out. Especially fat bike tires.

@klstrucker930419 Жыл бұрын

Will you make a video about your torque?

@ceramicsbydaniel Жыл бұрын

Staying low and putting pressure on that front wheel!

@Alkhiman Жыл бұрын

Holy crap I felt that last advice... "I want to go there but I just can't I keep going straight for some reason!"

@mtbmadman187 Жыл бұрын

4.17 took your foot of Neil!

@GBR080R Жыл бұрын

On a dirt bike foot off the peg and forward is about weighting the front wheel. Of course on a dirt bike you're also able to slide way up on the tank, really getting that weight forward. Not sure if throwing a foot forward on a MTB has the same effect. Is it about weight transfer or just acting as an outrigger?

@iBLOODBATHproduction Жыл бұрын

Weight the bars to lessen the chances of front wheel washing out. And if your bike feels like it wants to push the front end in every corner, your effective spring rates front and rear could be wrong. Adding air in the rear and taking air out of the front shock will accomplish the same thing for the initial turn in bite. Other than that great video! Weighting the outside pedal is the key!

@timking2822 Жыл бұрын

Funny how so few understand how a two-wheeled vehicle corners. You have to lean to shift the center-of-mass off center. To do this, you can either shift your body weight, or by counter steering. The speed does make a difference, but the principles still apply.

@robsprimallife Жыл бұрын

Nice tips, braking too late is one I struggle with. Coming into corners too hot, then braking and leaning which causes the bike not wanting to lean and rather stand up.

@streetcleaner2794 Жыл бұрын

its hard for me to drop the outside pedal, i find that im more likely to keep the pedals level and just lean my body and bike and with precision i can corner somewhat (im talking about cornering a windy berm, standing up on the bike). Do you only drop the outside pedal if its a hard corner? I feel like leaning the bike that hard would make me slip out. Great video! this is an essential skill that always needs working on.

@R3ddyyg Жыл бұрын

Riding in the wet tips? I always find myself sliding in some way or another, i want to know if i'm doing something wrong pls help

@kylereece575 Жыл бұрын

Forgetting to turns a good one 😂

@chrisridesbicycles Жыл бұрын

In typical bike park 180 degree corners, I know that I should brake before the corner and then open up the brakes but when it gets steeper, it feels like the bike is „accelerating away under me“ in the actual corner and that throws my balance to the rear. What can I do?

@lifeatitsfinest3019 Жыл бұрын

dragging the brakes a little is probably ok in that scenario. its better than coming out to fast lmao

@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ Жыл бұрын

Try not to move the bike a lot on those long 180 turns and feather the brakes into the apex. Not enough to where the bike stands up though. Also, hips and shoulders! I'm always reminding myself to drop my shoulder into turns (unless it's flat obv)

@Clynikal Жыл бұрын

Don’t be a sheep = break rule 1 & 2 (go wide and take your foot off)

@bobothericefarmer1878 Жыл бұрын

Mine is I keep getting scared to go to high in the berm so I keep braking

@timdelph9048 Жыл бұрын

You actually can't steer a bike without countersteering. Super funny video out there from Veritasium I believe where he has a bike that'll lock out the steering from going at all to one side, but free motion in the other. Can't steer to the right without going left first. It's ingrained in your riding skills from childhood and you don't even think about it.

@paulcabahug1716 Жыл бұрын

What does it mean by going wide on the corner?

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

Hey Paul! So if you image a corner like a race track - You have the inside line and the outside line. By taking the outside line you're going around the corner the "wider" way, giving you more space to manoeuvre into the inside line of the corner, dodging and riding through whatever the terrain you are riding on.

@downhill64 Жыл бұрын

Most of the tracks I ride the corners and trail is so steep and tight it is impossible to be off your brakes in the corners. Even if you were at a stand still at the entrance of the corner it is impossible to make the corner with out braking so not braking around corners only works for flatter trails. I watched a video once where they install a light switch at the point of contact on the brakes and only the camera could pick up the light bulb going on and off, not the rider, they had pros bomb down trails and all the pros couldn't believe how many times they were braking around corners so I think it is one those ideals that just is not realistic in real life.

@LaurentiusTriarius 7 ай бұрын

The last one, most people won't be fast enough to accomplish that, timing is crucial if you need to readjust and do a counter steer manoeuvre pls don't do that if you're exiting the corner and starting to lose compression, you'll just wash out and fly off the berm or curve ... No shit

@ShaneNA01 Жыл бұрын

Counter steering is most in play on a motorcycle over about 25kms or so (i ride motorbike very regulary). Im yet to experience this on a mountain bike, though i have tried. I think for rough technical riding it wouldnt come in to play all the easily. Ill keep at it to see if its really a thing on the pushy

@kowioutdoortv Жыл бұрын

The heavier motorbike then higher or lower speed is needed to benefit from counter steering? Mtb is at least 200kg less heavy than motorbike with the same rider, then 25km/h is break even point 😉 or the other, loudly thinking 🤔😊

@sadiejones7991 Жыл бұрын

I think it might feel different on a fast corner in a small berm, if my weight goes too much off center I hit the brakes and salvage what's left to stay on the trail. I just can't get myself to counter steer to see if it would fix or prevent going over the side. This is the first video that I've seen that mentioned it, So I'm not sure if it is the same counter steering technique as we do on motorcycles or not. I don't think so. If you do it please come back here and comment on how it went compared to a motorcycle, I've been interested in this a long time now.

@Pastamistic Жыл бұрын

Counter-steering is the only way to change direction on any bicycle or motorcycle and at any speed. Even barely creeping along but rake and trail have an effect while stationary as the contact patch of the tire moves out from under the center line of the bike when you turn. You're balanced on wheels that are in line with each other. If you push your body weight one way you're just pushing the bike the other way resulting in no change without a counter-steer input. The only possible way to make a direction change is by counter-steering at any speed.

@kowioutdoortv Жыл бұрын

@@sadiejones7991 I will not be able to share fresh, up-to-date experience because I do not ride motorcycle for 30 years 😉 already and probably will not do, so I will not able to compare; I will try it on bicycle, because I did not pay attention so far if I am doing counter steering consciously, trying to move back my body when it is pushed out of the turn or out of narrow line

@sadiejones7991 Жыл бұрын

@@kowioutdoortv I appreciate your time friend, I'm going to start practicing it myself.

@BadBoyV1 Жыл бұрын

Can anyone recommend any decent cheap flat pedals?

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

Hi! We'd recommend going for composite pedals as they tend to be cheaper than aluminium pedals. On the channel we're sponsored by Crankbrothers Pedals and can't recommend them enough! 👍

@BadBoyV1 Жыл бұрын

@@gmbn Thank you

@jonntischnabel 18 күн бұрын

The front wheel wash out is awful. I used to cycle to work and got rhe route nailed so well that i could get there in 12 mins (driving was 8). There was a wooden bridge that i used to fly across at speed, then one morning it was wet (and extremely slimy), i was swearing for at least ten minutes. I thought id broken my leg. 🤬

@gmbn 18 күн бұрын

Yeah that can be nasty! Glad you didn't break it

@phearnden Жыл бұрын

The biggest cornering mistake I've seen is remaining seated, needles to say it didn't end well.

@terry121288firebird Жыл бұрын

Washing out is the worst experience ever. You’re at the mercy of the tire gods…

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

May they be forever in your favour!

@patohara175 Жыл бұрын

Leaning your whole body instead of just the bike can get ya 😬

@xmurder95x Жыл бұрын

1:51 "Dont take your foot off" 🤨

@Maxnitout Жыл бұрын

Biggest mistake - Riding 29s

@codyadam6048 Жыл бұрын

no riding friends anybody?

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

Hey! We have the GMBN Community that runs over on Facebook. Head over to check it out. We're sure there are people on there looking for riding mates! facebook.com/groups/GMBNCommunity

@harrygardiner2000 Жыл бұрын

First

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

🥇👍

@ish474 Жыл бұрын

if you go fast enough you can just jump over all the corners.

@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ Жыл бұрын

You don't even need brakes, just trees!

@ish474 Жыл бұрын

@@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ oh I hit all kinds of shit!!!🤣

@gmbn Жыл бұрын

Facts! 😂😂

@VictorElGreco Жыл бұрын

Overconfidence. If you aren’t sure you can make the turn safely at your current speed, you probably can’t. 😬😄

@carloswithac Жыл бұрын

I love GMBN, but at this point it's just rehashed videos. Why not focus on a couple of high quality videos per week instead of basic videos every day?