Communism saved Eastern Europe

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Balkan Odyssey

Balkan Odyssey

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► Timestamps
0:00 Introduction
3:30 1.1 Context: Eastern Europe before socialism
8:30 1.2 Context: The communist revolution
10:09 2 Disclaimer: Mistakes and defects
12:11 3.1 Socio-economic upheavals: Nationalisation, collectivisation and the planned economy
12:54 3.2 Industrialisation and electrification
17:00 3.3 Urbanisation and changes in the social class structure
18:44 4.1 - Achievements and successes - Economic growth and stability
23:21 4.2 - Standard of living and consumption
27:00 4.3 - The physical quality of life
31:54 4.4 - Inequality in the Soviet Union ft. ChemicalMind
38:22 4.5 - Literacy, education and culture
42:39 4.6 - Science and technology
44:44 4.7 - Workers' and political rights
50:42 4.8 - Workers' rights and emancipation
54:44 4.9 - Marginalised groups, ethnic and religious minorities
57:32 5 - Wanting it all

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@BalkanOdyssey_
@BalkanOdyssey_ 2 ай бұрын
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@dadja_zhaba
@dadja_zhaba 2 ай бұрын
please add subway surfer gameplay i cant concentrate.
@0Anomalous0
@0Anomalous0 2 ай бұрын
@blstcblender190
@blstcblender190 2 ай бұрын
you should upload a copy of this video to the internet archive
@xmekow
@xmekow 2 ай бұрын
that's not very socialist behaviour... selling yourself out to capitalist pigs comrade
@alligatorswollower8848
@alligatorswollower8848 2 ай бұрын
a thing you could do is adding time stamps to the video
@Bismarine5712
@Bismarine5712 2 ай бұрын
Ex communist country: We had a very strong economy for our size. We even had our own steel mill that was brought by western capitalists just last year. It was the last big domestic factory of our own. Food was cheap, we wasn't rich but we wasn't poor. 34 years into capitalism and we are not rich. We are poor. I had to leave my home country as well as more than half a million of my kind in that 34 years period. (It doesn't look much, but it's 5% of the population) because it became unlivable. Capitalism ruined my home
@explosionbruh1875
@explosionbruh1875 2 ай бұрын
hungary, im guessing?
@maspalfiker
@maspalfiker 2 ай бұрын
​@@explosionbruh1875you can thank Orban for that. He is bad, acting simmilarly to his pal the Tsar Putin, but still communism (as it was) certanly wasnt better. Just ask the older ppl to clearly remember how it was to live in a "fear" driven society. For one, in those times you would very fast end up in jail for writing this kind of "anti-state" comments.
@didanic
@didanic 2 ай бұрын
seems lithuania to me
@scottya3615
@scottya3615 2 ай бұрын
@@maspalfiker Lol Orban isn't good but he's no worse than previous post-communist Hungarian leaders. The older people miss the Kadar era.
@maspalfiker
@maspalfiker 2 ай бұрын
@@scottya3615 the older ppl seam to forget how they had to hide their true opinions on their leaders and the moment they wanted more freedom, they felt the rage of the USSR communist tanks on the streets of Budapest.
@BalkanOdyssey_
@BalkanOdyssey_ 2 ай бұрын
Sources for this video: I - Studies on socialist economies in the context of industrialisation G. I. Khanin - The 1950s: The Triumph of the Soviet Economy (2003) Robert C. Allen - The Rise and Decline of the Soviet Economy (2001) Robert C. Allen - Farm to Factory: A Reinterpretation of the Soviet Industrial Revolution (2003) Gur Ofer, Soviet Economic Growth: 1928-1985 (1987) David F. Good - The Economic Lag of Central and Eastern Europe Income Estimates for the Habsburg Successor States, 1870-1910 (1994) Balassa, B., and T. Bertrand - Growth Performance of Eastern European Economies and Comparable Western European Countries (1970) Jan Szczepański, Anna M. Furdyna - Early Stages of Socialist Industrialization and Changes in Social Class Structure (1978) CIA Economic intelligence report - Soviet economic policy in Eastern Europe (1958) Jiri Musil, Urbanization in Socialist Countries (1980) Peter Lizon, East Central Europe: The Unhappy Heritage of Communist Mass Housing (1996) Andre Sapir - Economic Growth and Factor Substitution: What Happened to the Yugoslav Miracle? (1980) Božić, Ćirković, Ekmečić, Dedijer - Istorija Jugoslavije (1972) TheFinnishBolshevik - The results of the 1st & 2nd five-year plans: Soviet industrial revolution (2016) II - Studies on the quality of life, health indicators, nutrition and overall welfare Shirley Cereseto, Howard Waitzkin - Capitalism, socialism and the physical quality of life (1986) Shirley Cereseto, Howard Waitzkin - Economic Development, Political-Economic System, and the Physical Quality of Life (1988) Vicente Navarro - Has Socialism Failed? An Analysis of Health Indicators under Capitalism and Socialism (1993) Stephen G. Wheatcroft - The Great Leap Upwards: Anthropometric Data and Indicators of Crises and Secular Change in Soviet Welfare Levels, 1880 -1980 (1999) Elizabeth Brainerd - Reassessing the Standard of Living in the Soviet Union: An Analysis Using Archival and Anthropometric Data (1010) Robert C. Allen - The Standard of Living in the Soviet Union, 1928-1940 (1998) Statista - Infant mortality rate (under one year old) in Russia from 1870 to 2020 Statista - Life expectancy (from birth) in Russia, from 1845 to 2020* Statista - Accessibility of education in Russia Tricontinental - Socialism Is the Best Prophylaxis: The German Democratic Republic’s Health Care System World Bank - Number of physicians in Cuba Victor Grossmann, My seventy years and the departed GDR (Monthly review) III - Achievements in Science, technology and culture Peter Kenez - Liquidating Illiteracy in Revolutionary Russia (1982) Zoya A. Malkova - Development of education in socialist countries (1979) Alexei Kojevnikov - The phenomenon of Soviet science (2008) Paul R. Josephson - Science policy in the Soviet Union (1988) Stephen Brain - Song of the Forest: Russian Forestry and Stalinist Environmentalism, 1905-1953 (2011) Adrienne Edgar - Intermarrige and the Friendship of Peoples: Ethnic Mixing in Soviet Central Asia (2022) The international Lawyer - Inventions in the Soviet Union (1973) ChemicalMind - The greatest innovations of the Soviet Union IV - Human and political rights and income inequality Albert Szymanski - Human rights in the Soviet Union (1979) Albert Szymanski - Is the Red Flag still flying? The political economy of the Soviet Union (1984) Pat Sloan - Soviet democracy (1937) Robert W. Thurston - Reassessing the history of Soviet workers: opportunities to criticise and and participate in decision-making 1935-1941 Terry Martin, David D. Laitin, George Steinmetz - The Affirmative Action Empire: Nations and Nationalism in the Soviet Union, 1923-1939 (2001) Marxists.org - Decree on the Hours of Labor Left Voice - Decriminalization of homosexuality in the USSR Alexandra Kollontai - The Soviet woman - A full and equal citizen of her country (1946) Alexandra Kollontai - On the history of the movement of women workers in Russia (1920) Kristen Ghodsee - Why Women Have Better Sex Under Socialism (2018) Washington Post - Communist states have sometimes been havens for LGBTQ rights (2022) ChemicalMind - A history of queer rights under socialist states Hegel on his head - In Defense of the Soviet Union: A Video Essay On Equality, Gender and Race in the USSR (youtube.com) Sam Marcy - Perestroika: A Marxist critique (1990) VI - Inequality of the Soviet Union Jerry Hough - The Brezhnev Era: The Man and the System (1976) Peter Wiles - Distribution of income: East and West (1974) Alastair McAuley - The Distribution of Earnings and Incomes in the Soviet Union (1977) Sciencenorway.no - Strong increase in Norwegian pay gap (2019) Mark Harrison - Soviet and Russian Inequality: Was the Soviet System Pro-Poor? (2017) Jose Ricon - The Soviet Union: poverty and inequality (2017) VII - General achievements of socialism Michael Parenti - Blackshirts and reds: rational fascism and the overthrow of communism (1997) Francis Spufford - Red plenty (2010) Austin Murphy - The Triumph of Evil: The Reality of the USA's Cold War Victory (2000) William Blum - Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions since World War II (1995) Roger Keeran and Thomas Kenny - Socialism betrayed - Behind the collapse of the Soviet Union (2004) ProleWiki - Achievements of socialism Red Theory - The achievements of socialism in the Soviet Union ChemicalMind - There are plenty of positive works about the USSR, actually Hakim - Socialism is better than capitalism, right? John Green - Stasi State or Workers’ Paradise - Socialism in the German Democratic Republic and what became of it Branko Petranović, Čedomir Štrbac - Istorija socijalističke Jugoslavije (1977) VII - Personal experiences of life under socialism ChemicalMind - Personal experience and socialism Balkan Insight - Serbia Poll: Life Was Better Under Tito Balkan Insight - Albania OSCE survey Gallup - Many in the Balkans still see more harm from Yugoslavia breakup Gallup - Former Soviet countries see more harm from breakup Der Spiegel - Homesick for a Dictatorship: Majority of Eastern Germans Feel Life Better under Communism Socialni.bg - 3 от 4 българи: „Съсипаха я тая държава“
@icantaimpg3d776
@icantaimpg3d776 2 ай бұрын
Very impressive of you to be able to read these sources, even if you don’t fully read all of them.
@knowledgeanddefense1054
@knowledgeanddefense1054 2 ай бұрын
>"socialist" economics >looks inside >state capitalism (militant social democracy at best) :|
@Soudrah
@Soudrah 2 ай бұрын
When the comment with sources is longer than the entire comment chain you know you got a historical materialist workin
@Randomvietnamdude
@Randomvietnamdude 2 ай бұрын
@@knowledgeanddefense1054 Ultraleft trying to not despise all AES countries in intransition phase challenge(10000% impossible, already lose):
@knowledgeanddefense1054
@knowledgeanddefense1054 2 ай бұрын
@@Randomvietnamdude Not a counterargument, revisionist :)
@cristianbalan518
@cristianbalan518 2 ай бұрын
Brave to post this
@hewhomustnotbenamed5912
@hewhomustnotbenamed5912 2 ай бұрын
Not really, but it is a good thing he posted it.
@VocalBear213
@VocalBear213 2 ай бұрын
Nobody who denies the content of the video will watch it
@SnakeBush
@SnakeBush 2 ай бұрын
save the mp4 guys
@naroga7757
@naroga7757 2 ай бұрын
Bruh this guy just posts for attention
@hewhomustnotbenamed5912
@hewhomustnotbenamed5912 2 ай бұрын
@@naroga7757 he spends practically no time in this video on promoting himself. The vast majority of it is him quoting and paraphrasing others work, and not using personal pronouns. The fact that you came to that conclusion suggests that you didn't actually watch the video.
@GTAVictor9128
@GTAVictor9128 2 ай бұрын
42:42 - In fact, the launch of Sputnik triggered a low-key sense of panic in the West, now known as "The Sputnik Crisis", as a result of the Western public feeling that the West was beginning to technologically lag behind the USSR. This was even more exacerbated by the failed US rocket launch in response to Sputnik. And in fact it was this pressure to catch up with the USSR that was a huge part of the reason why the US decided to expand its accessibility to education. Furthermore, the Soviets pioneered in nuclear fusion research. As late as 2016, the Soviet Tokamak design was still the most practical fusion reactor design in existence.
@simonstaysnclr
@simonstaysnclr 2 ай бұрын
Too bad they absolutely ruined their biology sector. I would have loved to see what they could have contributed like they did to astrophysics
@eges72
@eges72 2 ай бұрын
USSR's ideology in fact is the largest influence on FDR's New Deal programme.
@Go-lova
@Go-lova 2 ай бұрын
Fakemoonlanding
@Ming1975
@Ming1975 2 ай бұрын
​@@Go-lovaworse is when Myth Busters prove they landed on the moon WITHOUT GOING TO THE MOON!!! 😂🤣
@n.speezly1467
@n.speezly1467 Ай бұрын
Which reactor design contaminated large areas of Ukriane and Belarus?
@geraldmantel4955
@geraldmantel4955 2 ай бұрын
All the things they don't teach you in school --- in my case, the entire history of the USSR 1917-73 consisted of three things: Stalin's purges, Sputnik, and Khruschev playing the "shoe" at the UN.
@josue.ortega
@josue.ortega 2 ай бұрын
You got it good. They taught me only: 1. The Bolsheviks took over Russia in 1917. Why? Unrest. 2. Socialism collapsed in the 90s. Why? Just because.
@shadowcween7890
@shadowcween7890 2 ай бұрын
They didn't even teach me about the shoe thing in my years of school
@antiheroent.3728
@antiheroent.3728 2 ай бұрын
And what other things have happened during the time? Other than atrocities...
@geraldmantel4955
@geraldmantel4955 2 ай бұрын
@@antiheroent.3728 I meant Russian history, not the US.
@geraldmantel4955
@geraldmantel4955 2 ай бұрын
​@@shadowcween7890Actually, I'm not sure if it was both shoes or only one, but I do know it wasn't a Shoe Phone, which didn't come along until a few years later.
@vazeyo
@vazeyo 2 ай бұрын
1:01:05 That reminded me of a phrase some family members from East Germany (DDR) tend to say: "Our western family members always told us how good the banana tasted, but never told us their amount of rent."
@geraldmantel4955
@geraldmantel4955 2 ай бұрын
Moral of this story: Socialism can fix the problems (and there certainly are enough of them) of capitalism much faster than trickle-down neoliberalism.
@mariopopa1350
@mariopopa1350 2 ай бұрын
Nobody said that no socialism will work, look at Scandinavia, you’ve got democratic socialism, that doesn’t have a planned economy, but a capitalist one; literally the richest countries in the world (GDP, GDP per capita, wages, etc.), but you also have a bad idea of socialism, that was extended in the East : authoritarian, planned economy, little to no personal freedom, etc.
@dinamosflams
@dinamosflams 2 ай бұрын
​@@mariopopa1350capitalist countries that their capitalist democracies were forced into having more rights for their populations due to being so close to the soviet union, for the population saw the advencements socialism had in their border. in the last few decades without such preassure those governsments are rapidly decreasing their rights and exploiting other countries
@dinamosflams
@dinamosflams 2 ай бұрын
tricke-down economics is a myth. there is no reason for a capitalist to increase wages instead of acupulating more capital, and every time another one of the cyclical crisis affects capitalist institutions the rich gets richer and poor gets poorer
@misterno1157
@misterno1157 2 ай бұрын
@@mariopopa1350 ". . .doesn't have a planned economy. . ." then it isn't socialism.
@harrysliyoko8809
@harrysliyoko8809 2 ай бұрын
​@@mariopopa1350 there wasn't enough computational power back to make a fully planned economy work , nowadays tho ?
@45f3f34f
@45f3f34f 2 ай бұрын
I am from Mongolia and elder people here says that the life was great back then. Everyone had job and if you were homeless the government gave you free apartment and if you were unemployed you could easily get job. It also had free healthcare and free education. We had food to eat thanks to our factories that USSR assisted to build. The infastructure was goodly built and there was no pollution like todays mongolia.
@icantaimpg3d776
@icantaimpg3d776 2 ай бұрын
Yes but we shouldn’t be blind to it’s problems. Praising it’s success but we have to be critical of their mistakes.
@kip4223
@kip4223 2 ай бұрын
@@icantaimpg3d776 the guy is talking about infrastructure, social net, job security, you answer with methods of statehood which were present even before communism to help realize the truth root of civilians beeing killed and the solution for it is not to withold relocation of wealth to the important things this planet and its inhabitants need.
@TrueSpace61
@TrueSpace61 2 ай бұрын
Did the us kill your country like they did to the USSR?
@belstar1128
@belstar1128 2 ай бұрын
they are boomers people get nostalgic about everything given enough time
@snekcube107
@snekcube107 2 ай бұрын
​@@belstar1128 say gwa gwa
@user-vm6hc2nd1j
@user-vm6hc2nd1j 2 ай бұрын
I just wanted to correct one thing. Capital of Russian empire was Saint Petersburg, not Moscow.
@keltoislavi
@keltoislavi 2 ай бұрын
Petrograd*
@astroidexadam5976
@astroidexadam5976 2 ай бұрын
@@keltoislavi St Petersburg was only called Petrograd from 1914 to 1924
@kaoticneutralcow4094
@kaoticneutralcow4094 2 ай бұрын
New balkan odyssey upload, today is a good day
@PizzaChess69
@PizzaChess69 2 ай бұрын
🗿
@grahamvincent6977
@grahamvincent6977 2 ай бұрын
The decriminalization of homosexuality by the USSR in 1922 was certainly well ahead of trends elsewhere in the world. However, they were not the first. A raft of ex-Spanish colonies in South America decriminalized in the 19th century (1820s/30s - Bolivia, Brazil, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, 1870s Mexico, 1880s/90s - Argentina, Guatemala, Honduras, Paraguay). But the winner by far was the French Conventional Assembly's new Criminal Code, which decriminalized homosexuality (which had previously been covered under reference to "sodomy") throughout the French Empire in 1791.
@automat8774
@automat8774 2 ай бұрын
What about all the countries where homosexuality has never been considered a crime in the first place?
@NorthKoreaDefender
@NorthKoreaDefender 2 ай бұрын
Technically speaking homosexuality wasn’t decriminalised in the way you think so basically the bolsheviks inherited the imperial constitution (which had anti homosexual laws) and got completely rid of it and started drafting up a new one so for some time it was “decriminalised” but it later returned under stalin I believe?
@grahamvincent6977
@grahamvincent6977 2 ай бұрын
@@automat8774 Well, quite. However, this particular debate is about decriminalization, and you cannot decriminalize something that's not a criminal offence to begin with. But, good point.
@grahamvincent6977
@grahamvincent6977 2 ай бұрын
@@NorthKoreaDefender I'm just going on what was said in the film. Might I ask you, incidentally, how you think that I think homosexuality was decriminalised? I have no independent evidence of what happened in the field. As far as I'm aware, only one country has ever decriminalised homosexuality and then criminalised it again, and that was Serbia (1858-1860 and then again from 1994)
@NorthKoreaDefender
@NorthKoreaDefender 2 ай бұрын
@@grahamvincent6977 Alot of people think that the USSR decriminalised homosexuality because they truly respected lgbtq rights but thats kind of inaccurate because back then nobody really thought like that. Of course the socialist countries were way ahead of their time but you cant forget it was a conservative country who just started to elevate themselves from centuries of feudalism so it isnt weird that the majority of people wouldnt be supportive of those ideas.
@grovehoLP
@grovehoLP 2 ай бұрын
Paused everything to watch this.
@nerrler5574
@nerrler5574 2 ай бұрын
Hopefully not the video
@chemreac1
@chemreac1 2 ай бұрын
Who is that handsome-sounding gentleman who starts talking at around 31 minutes I wonder? 🤔 In all seriousness, great job, it was a blast to help with the vid!
@alondvorkin2762
@alondvorkin2762 2 ай бұрын
Shame ya'll seemingly forgot that communism has no state, no class, no wage labor, no commodity production and no private property.
@MrsProfessionalDumbass
@MrsProfessionalDumbass 2 ай бұрын
Nice work, comrade
@BalkanOdyssey_
@BalkanOdyssey_ 2 ай бұрын
A distinguished one with some based asf points if you ask me. Likewise man!
@krasinmarinov
@krasinmarinov 2 ай бұрын
I think that person might be chemicalmind
@sretenpetronijevic-kz5xg
@sretenpetronijevic-kz5xg Ай бұрын
​​​​@@BalkanOdyssey_zdravo druze odlican video dali bi mogli neki videji u buduce da budu na srpski da mozemo I mi sa balkana da se edukujemo I da edukujemo mlade da svi videji bas ne budu na engleski vec na nasem jeziku poneki vedeji ako moze ??
@shahramtondkarmobarakie1824
@shahramtondkarmobarakie1824 2 ай бұрын
i felt a disturbance in the force, as if hundreds of vatniks suddenly reloaded their keyboards btw B.O if you could separate videos like these into 20mins bite size episodes would be much easier to watch since i rarely get an hour long break at work and i usually forget where i left off
@FeiFongWang
@FeiFongWang 2 ай бұрын
KZfaq automatically saves where you left off when you close out the browser or app
@shahramtondkarmobarakie1824
@shahramtondkarmobarakie1824 2 ай бұрын
@@FeiFongWang well shit doesnt do that for me apparently
@infantjones
@infantjones 2 ай бұрын
What lol
@judgemcnugget7110
@judgemcnugget7110 2 ай бұрын
Screenshot the time stamp
@BalkanOdyssey_
@BalkanOdyssey_ 2 ай бұрын
Noted. I'm constantly struggling with finding a balance in my format, but I'll keep it in mind. Future videos really should be shorter (around 20mins), but this one unavoidably turned out into a full-out documentary
@soxrox4093
@soxrox4093 Ай бұрын
I grow up during socialism in Hungary and I dont think it was a good system. We had very low salaries, could not afford to buy washing mashine, a fridge or anything beyond the very basics . There was 15 year waiting list for a tiny government flat in a multistory concrete block. Central planning was a total failure , there was always shortage of something, corruption flourished with the inevitable economic collapse that followed. About 10 percent of our population was interogated at one point or other by the secret police . We didnt know anything about the West. Radio transmissions jammed, the border mined, western media was banned. Our country was occupied by russian troops, we couldnt change the system even if we dared. ....etc. I could carry on for hours. I am sure if you ask americans if life was better in the 50s , i am sure they would say yes.
@zawlatan
@zawlatan Ай бұрын
erdekes gondolat. kar h nem igaz. az atlag ember a 60-as evektol kezdodoen joletben elt magyarorszagon. csak agymosott fideszes, populista emberek szidjak Kadart. ha tenyleg a szocializmusban nottel volna fel, akkor az alapveto haztartasi kellekek az atlag aron alul megkaphattad, ugyanis ez volt nagyreszt a lenyege Kadar politikajanak.
@zawlatan
@zawlatan Ай бұрын
"nyugati media tiltott volt" hallottal a TTT-rol? volt cenzura, de azert ez egy picit tulzas amit leirsz.
@zawlatan
@zawlatan Ай бұрын
1960-ban kb. 10 millioan eltek a kis orszagunkban. ez azt jelenti, h 1 millio embert kihallgattak egytol-egyig. ez mar majdnem rosszabb a szovjetunio statisztikajanal.
@zawlatan
@zawlatan Ай бұрын
amugy minden amit mondtal vagy propaganda vagy csak szimplan buta faszsag. olvass egy picit.
@hj8750
@hj8750 4 күн бұрын
У вас вся страна не могла позволить себе стиральные машины или только некоторые семьи?
@sudaroxii
@sudaroxii 2 ай бұрын
"Don't compare yourself to other, but to who you were yesterday." Hit me harder then i thought. Very underappreciated sentiment. Great video
@qwerty-tv9wc
@qwerty-tv9wc 2 ай бұрын
Bad take. Eastern Europeans should compere themselves with who they would be if they were capitalist.
@BalkanOdyssey_
@BalkanOdyssey_ Ай бұрын
@@qwerty-tv9wc Again...comparison with themselves, not others. You're missing the point.
@uxydra6403
@uxydra6403 Ай бұрын
​@@BalkanOdyssey_Comparing czechia now vs then, everyone I know agrees that life here greatly improved. Honestly I don't think there was any other country for which socialism did less than for Czechoslovakia.
@gabbut7553
@gabbut7553 2 ай бұрын
Those videos always make me truly and deeply sad, as I remember how we lost all of that our socialist ancesters built. But it still makes me hold on my hope that we will succeed and the revolution shall happen again.
@yaelz6043
@yaelz6043 2 ай бұрын
Ancestors? It *started* 100 years ago for Russia and like 75 years ago for eastern Europe. Fuckers are still alive, how are they ancestors? 🤔
@challe535
@challe535 2 ай бұрын
Yea it is sad, but they paved the way for future revolutions. The bourgeois revolutions also failed many a time.
@marcusappelberg369
@marcusappelberg369 2 ай бұрын
Once the US Empire falls, in this multipolar world, we shall have victories once more, comrades! ❤
@vadimk3484
@vadimk3484 2 ай бұрын
Definitely not during our lifetime. Crapitalism still has a century or two in it. We're barely entering digital fascism at this point, tons of potential for the exploiters there. Maybe our kids will have a chance though, if they survive WW3.
@user-ts3cn3yy6t
@user-ts3cn3yy6t 2 ай бұрын
I feel despair everyday because how tight the life has become and with so limited options, with less purchasing power or safety net... I joined a union in the country i currently work... Greetings from Romania!
@igusgodwin3939
@igusgodwin3939 Ай бұрын
I live in Poland, my greatgrandfather who remembers Polish-Soviet war as well as my grandfather both say that the socialist rule had it pros and cons. But they feel happier for themself and us (grandchildren) thay were growing up in a fully democratic and capitalist country. My grandfather still wears scars from back when he was arrested for taking part in Shipyard strikes. My late great grandfather says that the communist rule (which was imposed upon them) completely screwed Poland, even ignoring the ammount of destruction that already happened due to WWII what was left was simply given up to Soviets by the new puppet government. They both said that communist/socialist rule had its pros but standing in a line for 3 hours just to get bread (which wasnt even guaranteed) was never good, and its cons far outweighted the pros
@_gajewski3626
@_gajewski3626 2 ай бұрын
The polish horde is approaching
@wojciech-aleksjejdiablewic884
@wojciech-aleksjejdiablewic884 2 ай бұрын
you think all Poles are anti Socialist mob?
@FeiFongWang
@FeiFongWang 2 ай бұрын
My cousin's grandpappy was graped by a Soviet orc! /s
@thepotatogod2951
@thepotatogod2951 2 ай бұрын
Well the socialist goverment in Poland was quite incompetent, and only supported by a minority of the population.
@zubrifikusummuk
@zubrifikusummuk 2 ай бұрын
​my mothers grandparents were exterminated by nationalists and the red army rescued them. btw how many jews were slaughtered and graped by poles during pogroms across the centuries? its suddenly not that nice when it happens to u right?
@wojciech-aleksjejdiablewic884
@wojciech-aleksjejdiablewic884 2 ай бұрын
@@zubrifikusummuk What are you talking about? Are you Isreali or what? We rescure jews from that,not helping germans. If you relay on Isreal leaders and Politicians then sorry but they lie as hell just to put us in the same place as everyone who don't agree with there Zionist ideas over Europe
@MarcanMC
@MarcanMC 2 ай бұрын
As a pole, my country is doing better economically now than ever before
@Cardan011
@Cardan011 2 ай бұрын
It’s useless saying this to commie larpers, it goes right over their heads. Modern communists are similar to flat earthers…
@ayhan4472
@ayhan4472 2 ай бұрын
With german money
@MarcanMC
@MarcanMC 2 ай бұрын
@@ayhan4472 and Germany got rich with American money, so fucking what?
@ad0lfchrist
@ad0lfchrist 2 ай бұрын
With those 3 words you just explained why capitalism is vastly superior to communism
@rupigo
@rupigo 2 ай бұрын
Yes, and?... Can you magically predict how Poland would have evolved in a alternative reality where the US didn't sabotage the USSR?
@alexdownfeet882
@alexdownfeet882 2 ай бұрын
WE DID IT STALIN, WE SAVED EASTERN EUROPE!
@Mangoeplanter
@Mangoeplanter 2 ай бұрын
Was that a SpongeBob reference?
@alexdownfeet882
@alexdownfeet882 2 ай бұрын
@@Mangoeplanter yes
@mariostefanescu16
@mariostefanescu16 2 ай бұрын
29:03 I doubt your information because in Romania, people stood in queue for food. For a family of four, the ration card provided 2 loaves of bread, 300 grams of meat, and 1 kilogram of bananas and oranges ONLY at Christmas. For Romania, communism meant a dark period in which the people starved while the party's nomenklatura rode around in Mercedes and Audi cars. Tens of thousands of lives were destroyed by the communists through forced collectivization, which employed intimidation tactics reminiscent of a horror movie. Peasants who resisted were, at best, brutally beaten; some had their noses or fingers cut off. The "Securitate," the political police of the Romanian Communist Party, monitored you nonstop, even for an innocuous joke about a party leader. In the 1950s, they sent priests, theology students, and dissidents to the prison in Pitești, an event known as the "Pitești Experiment," where these people were tortured, mutilated, or even r@ped by their own cellmates, who were former dissidents but had become infamous criminals of the party through the experiment's success. The Romanian people never loved communism; they never chose this path but were forced into it by the Red Army and Stalin to live under a totalitarian regime. Over time, the propaganda heard by the people for 42 years began to take root in the minds of Romanians, creating mentalities that we, Romanians, cannot escape even today. Romanians applauded Ceaușescu and Dej only out of fear of the Securitate, not because they loved them. After the 1989 revolution, the Securitate did not cease its actions; it fired on the people during the revolution, took over all important positions, stole everything after the privatization of 1990, and now presents its conspiracy theories on Romania's largest TV stations, owned by them, trying to wash their hands of the people's blood. Regarding Romania's socialist economy, it was running at a loss. No factory, plant, or enterprise made a profit; all further indebted the country's economy just to create jobs for the people and give them the illusion that everything was fine. Although Marx advocated for workers' rights, they were nonexistent in Romania. My grandfather worked in a glass factory for 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, like a slave. He and millions of others who worked under these conditions inhaled all kinds of dangerous chemicals. Due to this, along with other health problems, my grandfather died of lung cancer, and others developed Parkinson's disease from the chemicals used to paint the glass. Perhaps if communism had not existed and we had accepted the Marshall Plan, Romania would have had a strong economy equal to that of France or Germany, as Romania has all the necessary resources to be a top economy in the EU, but all the corruption implemented by the Securitate and the nomenklatura destroys this country's potential even today.
@aweirdredguy3885
@aweirdredguy3885 2 ай бұрын
The reason the Marshall plan occured was because the US needed to expand and it was tantamount of having your politics and military tied to the US interests,the US didnt do it out of kindness,also if Romania under capitalism is still poor after more than 30 years of capitalism,how long must it go on until it work?
@aweirdredguy3885
@aweirdredguy3885 2 ай бұрын
The Eu and its governments do not care about their citizens? Why do you think some rich french or american bankers would give a shit about you? They only care about exploiting you
@mariostefanescu16
@mariostefanescu16 2 ай бұрын
@@aweirdredguy3885 In these 30 years of capitalism, Romania has had to make up for the deficit left by communism in order to reach a minimum level compared to other European countries. You can ask any Romanian, read any survey, and you will see that the best period in Romania's history is now, even though we are one of the most corrupt countries in Europe. The country's GDP is largely based on services. To get an idea, remove the percentage of services, which is around 30%-40% of the country's GDP, and you will see the level we were at during communism. Personally, I do not like the fact that Romania is developing so slowly, I do not like wild capitalism, and I believe that the state should be involved in the economy to provide entrepreneurs and workers with secure jobs, development, and a good living standard. Unfortunately, we still need time to fill the gaps left by communism.
@aweirdredguy3885
@aweirdredguy3885 2 ай бұрын
@@mariostefanescu16 capitalism is based on profits not needs,maybe socialism in Romania was flawed but your country isnt any better,the USSR industrialized in 25 years,your country is still poor after 30 years of capitalism,if you believe it will work then you might as well wait until the sun goes red giant
@mariopopa1350
@mariopopa1350 2 ай бұрын
@@aweirdredguy3885 My man, you know nothing about Romania. It had a GDP growth of 900% from ‘89 to 2024, it has a higher gdp per capita than Russia and nearly all its neighbours, Romanian average wages are 1200-1300€ before tax and 750-800€ after tax per month. Romania under capitalism is soo much better, in fact Romanians nowdays live better than they ever lived. We still have a lot of problems, like corrupt politicians and very bad political parties, but this is the fault of ex communists, who abuse trust of their people (PSD).
@Hopscotch463
@Hopscotch463 8 күн бұрын
Yeah, when Chernobyl happened because of Soviet budget cuts and the CCCP just denied it until radiation was leaking all over the region and their only solution was to force workers at gun point to dump concrete and dig under the reactor, really helped improve those Ukrainian’s lives. Right?
@JaceHart33
@JaceHart33 2 ай бұрын
Very informative, thank you!
@josemaria8177
@josemaria8177 2 ай бұрын
Controversial, yet true title
@knowledgeanddefense1054
@knowledgeanddefense1054 2 ай бұрын
You're not a communist nor an anti imperialist, you're a state capitalist who supports the other empire.
@jackisinforthewin
@jackisinforthewin 2 ай бұрын
​@@knowledgeanddefense1054 tf are you talking about
@knowledgeanddefense1054
@knowledgeanddefense1054 2 ай бұрын
@@jackisinforthewin The actual truth, the USSR was an imperialist superpower just like the US is. "bu-but all the nations they conquered were fascist!" how convenient, definitely not propaganda. Heck, in some cases attacking them for no valid reason literally encouraged them to ally with the nazis afterwards, like Finland. And in the case of Czechoslovakia for example, they were literally openly socialist and were invaded for demanding more proletariat control (totally a counter revolutionary goal, right there)
@knowledgeanddefense1054
@knowledgeanddefense1054 2 ай бұрын
@@jackisinforthewin No because "socialist state" is a contradiction, even Marx and Engels believed socialism only begins once the state withers away... and their definition of a worker state involved one ran by the entire population, as Marx told Bakunin. Only libertarian socialist societies (anarcho-communists, communalists, neozapatistas, etc) have made any progress towards decommodification, collectivizing property relations and shrinking class dynamics.
@sentientnatalie
@sentientnatalie 2 ай бұрын
@@knowledgeanddefense1054 Yes, we are anti-imperialists and communists, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
@giorgiocecchini9742
@giorgiocecchini9742 2 ай бұрын
"stalinism" dude why??? 🤦‍♂️
@skeletorthepublicnuisance6707
@skeletorthepublicnuisance6707 4 күн бұрын
I don't understand what you are criticizing. Marx never outlined a specific method of implementing communism, and how communism is implemented can vary wildly. Labeling Revolutionary Catalonia and modern day North Korea under the same umbrella of "communism" would be inefficient. I am a communist, and I decry Joseph Stalin. In a theoretical sense, I need an ideology to argue against: hence, Stalinism. If you are a capitalist for example, you would criticize Putin's regime or Reaganomics, not capitalism. You don't see communists running around calling Putin's regime the capitalist menace.
@Epy-
@Epy- 2 ай бұрын
I'm doing some research on the question "how the collapse of the USSR effects the modern day"
@djriqky9581
@djriqky9581 2 ай бұрын
It didn't collapse, it was voted out by it's bourgeois line of the party when the majority of the population voted to keep it and they called upon the military to crush dissent
@Epy-
@Epy- 2 ай бұрын
@@djriqky9581 you wouldn't happen to have a source ?
@djriqky9581
@djriqky9581 2 ай бұрын
@@Epy- 1991 Soviet union referendum: Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which the rights and freedoms of a person of any nationality will be fully guaranteed? Choice Votes % Yes 113,512,812 77.85% No 32,303,977 22.15%
@djriqky9581
@djriqky9581 2 ай бұрын
@@Epy- For some bourgeois spokesmen, defending their ideology is primarily a matter of public relations and “confidence.” Since the beginning of the new year. President Reagan has been happily proclaiming the coming end of the economic “recession.” His professional huckster’s optimism has been echoed by many others: right-wing economist Milton Friedman predicted that “1983 will be a year of rapid and vigorous economic growth” (Newsweek, February 7). Nevertheless, the flood of anxious reports on the state of the world economy has not ceased. The news media are justifiably shaking over the danger to the major capitalist powers posed by threatening economic collapse in several large “Third World” countries; fears of a “debtors’ cartel” surface simultaneously in several journals. One of the most optimistic bourgeois organs, Business Week magazine, illustrated its “Recovery at Last” article with a graph titled “The modest world recovery … will bolster world trade … but will not restore jobs” (February 14). A month later (March 21) it added that capital spending in 1983 will fall by 8.8 percent - hardly a portent of a serious recovery. A significant sidelight on the bourgeoisie’s controversy has been focused on the economic condition of the West’s chief rival, the USSR. On Christmas day, a CIA report was released crediting the Soviet Union with a comfortable 4.8 percent growth rate for the past three decades. Congressman Henry Reuss, chairman of the Joint Economic Committee that commissioned the report, stressed the liberals’ conclusions: “This important study helps put into perspective for Americans the fact that the USSR, far from being on the verge of collapse, has experienced major growth.” Reuss was clearly disputing Reagan’s frequent assertions that the USSR, because of its lack of “free enterprise,” was economically doomed. A CIA official, releasing a follow-up study, underlined the point: “In fact, we do not consider an economic ‘collapse’ … even a remote possibility” (New York Times, January 9).
@djriqky9581
@djriqky9581 2 ай бұрын
@@Epy- For some bourgeois spokesmen, defending their ideology is primarily a matter of public relations and “confidence.” Since the beginning of the new year. President Reagan has been happily proclaiming the coming end of the economic “recession.” His professional huckster’s optimism has been echoed by many others: right-wing economist Milton Friedman predicted that “1983 will be a year of rapid and vigorous economic growth” (Newsweek, February 7). Nevertheless, the flood of anxious reports on the state of the world economy has not ceased. The news media are justifiably shaking over the danger to the major capitalist powers posed by threatening economic collapse in several large “Third World” countries; fears of a “debtors’ cartel” surface simultaneously in several journals. One of the most optimistic bourgeois organs, Business Week magazine, illustrated its “Recovery at Last” article with a graph titled “The modest world recovery … will bolster world trade … but will not restore jobs” (February 14). A month later (March 21) it added that capital spending in 1983 will fall by 8.8 percent - hardly a portent of a serious recovery. A significant sidelight on the bourgeoisie’s controversy has been focused on the economic condition of the West’s chief rival, the USSR. On Christmas day, a CIA report was released crediting the Soviet Union with a comfortable 4.8 percent growth rate for the past three decades. Congressman Henry Reuss, chairman of the Joint Economic Committee that commissioned the report, stressed the liberals’ conclusions: “This important study helps put into perspective for Americans the fact that the USSR, far from being on the verge of collapse, has experienced major growth.” Reuss was clearly disputing Reagan’s frequent assertions that the USSR, because of its lack of “free enterprise,” was economically doomed. A CIA official, releasing a follow-up study, underlined the point: “In fact, we do not consider an economic ‘collapse’ … even a remote possibility” (New York Times, January 9).
@danielsz8222
@danielsz8222 2 ай бұрын
I'm sorry but its wrong on so many levels. You said that central Europe was this poor underdeveloped world with only peasents before communism. It's so far from the truth. I am hungarian so I can mainly talk about Hungary. Budapest was one of the most modern cities in Europe. We had the first metro system in continental Europe and we had one of the best if not the best public transport system in Europe. People from Vienna looked at Budapest as a role model and they were pissed that Vienna doesn't develop as fast. The Austro-Hungarian empire especially Hungary had the most extensive railway system, during that era. Look at a european railway map the hungarian lines are still one of the most extensive today because the lines built back than. Budapest, and Hungary in general had some great Universities but there were also in Zagreb, Prague, Bratislava, Belgrade etc. I mean Nikola Tesla studied in central Europe. The Czechs had some of the best industries. i mean Timisoara was the first city in Europe to have electricity. There were villages in Hungary where people lived in beautiful (idk the name of the style) houses. And yes there were a lot of poor people and in general Central Europe was poorer than western Europe but it wasn't that much of as a difference as you talk about it. During the Habsburg times Central Europe was very prosperous. There is a reason behind that most cities in the area of the former empire look very much alike. because they were built back than because there was enough money to do it. What you are saying is here is simply not true. Maybe for the areas that were under Russian rule idk. But during communism in a lot of countries you couldn't by basic necessities like meat, fuel etc. And yes there were positive stuff as well but there were much more negatives and saying that communism saved us is just not true. It killed our economies and people had to live in fear. And I tell you that I would rather live in hunger and poverty than live under the opression of communists no matter what they do. And btw to think that worker rights were only bad in Eastern Europe is just pathetic. Western Europe was the same but look at the outcome how did western Europe look like after the fall of the iron curtain and how did eastern europe look like. And choose which one was better.
@Mangoeplanter
@Mangoeplanter 2 ай бұрын
Akkor tudod hogy annak idején kelet európába szar volt a helyzet amikor Magyarország volt a "legvidámabb barakk"
@ile1237
@ile1237 2 ай бұрын
Hungary exploited lands of other ethnic groups, the same way Austria did. It's easy to make Budapest developed when you take resources from other lands.
@Mangoeplanter
@Mangoeplanter 2 ай бұрын
@@ile1237 it was the part of hungary so it was ours. Weak argument
@danielsz8222
@danielsz8222 2 ай бұрын
@@ile1237 Also Timisoara was the first European city to have electricity and it had romanian majority. And I could go on with examples like this
@xxvxxv5588
@xxvxxv5588 2 ай бұрын
​@@ile1237 Reminder that the richest inhabitants of Hungarian part of Austria-Hungary were overwhelmingly Jews. Ethnic Hungarians had political privileges, but they were not economically the most prosperous.
@danielk934
@danielk934 2 ай бұрын
32:25 Stalin did not state that classes do not exist anymore, on contrary, he stated that with deeper socialism class struggle instensifies, this statement is thing many critisise him for
@mepanther3125
@mepanther3125 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this. ☭
@PizzaChess69
@PizzaChess69 2 ай бұрын
🗿
@tealover1836
@tealover1836 Ай бұрын
Retarded ideology
@positivevibesonly3371
@positivevibesonly3371 2 ай бұрын
Three things. 1) props on the video 2) dumb question on my side but its got me stumped, i was going theu the study guide of wage labour capital, what is the impact of free public education on wages? 3) what are the names of the artworks you used in your video, im trying to "collect" as many of them as i can - what to study them for interest sake. Thank you from South Africa
@Soudrah
@Soudrah 2 ай бұрын
Free public education increases higher "level" labor pools across a theoretical country. Access to more labor competition should mean wage decrease, but only if you consider the current status and pool of advanced labor and sufficient. For argument let's use doctors (I know public uni students don't all become doctors but...) before free education the pool of doctors is restricted by financial pressure, public uni reduces those financial pressures increasing availability of college and thereby hopefully increasing the labor pool of doctors. If wages are assumed supply and demand we can assume doctor wages decrease and more people become doctors, the reality is likely thar public universities may REQUIRE other public services (health, legal, etc) so as to offset that increase in supply with a much larger increase in demand. Then the new doctors learning from public free uni now also have new patients becoming more healthy from new public health. The beauty of most socialist practices is they are self reinforcing as long as they remain adaptable to new technology/environmental concerns
@positivevibesonly3371
@positivevibesonly3371 2 ай бұрын
@@Soudrah 🙏thank you so much
@BalkanSpectre
@BalkanSpectre 2 ай бұрын
@@positivevibesonly3371 the above comment is only a theoretical abstraction, things in reality are much more complicated because every country has to exist within a global economic system. For instance, there is a high incentive for people that got a free education and became engineers and doctors etc to move abroad to wealthier countries to have (1) better wage and (2) better purchacing power due to fiscal policies (i.e. different currencies, higher or lower cost of living). When trying to research something you will have to differentiate on what terms you will approach it. Economics (as are mostly used, similar to logistics etc.) will give you answers based on quantifiable observable data, and as such is limited to our ability to categorize and measure. Political economy, then, has a different approach with different limitations. It's hard to find THE ANSWER to anything. If we could there wouldn't be much need for discussion and debate but you can create the best model / understanding based on the available material. This may be tiresome but it helps us at least safeguard ourself from error
@BalkanOdyssey_
@BalkanOdyssey_ 2 ай бұрын
Thank you! Your second question was pretty much answered by Soundrah, and regarding nr. 3 - I've found pretty much every single artwork on Pinterest, by searching for various socialist/communist/marxist/soviet keywords.
@VON-O5
@VON-O5 2 ай бұрын
I have not watched this yet and I will after this comment is made. I just have a question. Isn’t it socialism that saved Eastern Europe, not communism? There has never been a communist society because that would require all countries to be socialist and then transition to communism. Aight, I'm gonna watch it now.
@CripplingDuality
@CripplingDuality 2 ай бұрын
Remember that Marx and Engels did not distinguish between the two.
@icantaimpg3d776
@icantaimpg3d776 2 ай бұрын
The word “socialism” has lost it’s revolutionary essence in some countries like the US and most Western and even people living in socialist countries know the word “communism” and hear them more than “socialism”.
@icantaimpg3d776
@icantaimpg3d776 2 ай бұрын
@@CripplingDualitybut Lenin did though and what was the full name of Soviet Russia and Soviet Union ? Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic and Union of Soviet Socialist Republics respectively.
@knowledgeanddefense1054
@knowledgeanddefense1054 2 ай бұрын
It wasn't socialist either, socialism requires social ownership by the working class - not replacing one top 1% with another and pretending like the proletariat controls things now (and then murdering the proletariat every time they criticize and protest you)
@piccalillipit9211
@piccalillipit9211 2 ай бұрын
I can tell you as an author if you don't say "communism" 95% of people don't know what you are talking about. They think socialism is Bernie Sanders.
@FleshBrain
@FleshBrain 2 ай бұрын
Hopefully the Stalin's video ain't just: "Actually Stalin was pretty evil and Lenin left a letter saying Trotsky should rule! 🥸🥸" Great video so far!
@8lec_R
@8lec_R 2 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure BO is capable of more than that
@BalkanOdyssey_
@BalkanOdyssey_ 2 ай бұрын
I hope I haven't really left that weak of an impression. We might not end up agreeing on everything, but I won't disappoint.
@FleshBrain
@FleshBrain 2 ай бұрын
@@BalkanOdyssey_ Not saying because I didn't like this video. More like it's common to see a lot of "communists" do very well debunking a lot of myths about socialist countries and then go on a rant about how Stalin was the most evil and Trotsky should've been elected or something. When in reality Stalin's administration, while not perfect, was responsible of the absolute increase in the material conditions of the USSR. Propaganda against Stalin is so bad, people still believe Stalin got a terrible relationship with his son or that he died alone because "his guards were afraid to go in", non-sense!
@KenstutisVytautas
@KenstutisVytautas 2 ай бұрын
@@FleshBrainhow did Stalin die then?
@FleshBrain
@FleshBrain 2 ай бұрын
@@KenstutisVytautas In the last few months before his death, his security was dismantled. Proskryobychev, Stalin's personal secretary since 1928, was put under house arrest, and Nikolai Vlasik, Stalin's bodyguard, was arrested in December 1952 and died in prison. Pyotr Kosynkin, Vice-Commander of the Kremlin Guard, died of a supposed heart attack on 17 February 1953. Beria was the only one capable of such a plot, and Molotov suspected that MVD chief Beria poisoned Stalin, while Hoxha believed Khrushchev and Mikoyan had planned to assassinate him. On 1 March 1953, at 23:00 Stalin's guards found him unconscious in his room but did not call a doctor. He did not receive first aid until twelve hours after his collapse and died on 5 March.
@honk813
@honk813 2 ай бұрын
Well Ive watched it all after some time I have a few thoughts, whilst I can’t necessarily comment on the sources as I don’t have time to double check them besides looking over dates so I am somewhat conflicted over if they are using Soviet numbers…. Which we know were sometimes forged I won’t say always because sometimes they were truthful albeit slightly exaggerated as most economic data often is. On the point of inequality, whilst I will say inequality went sharply down on paper and in reality for the majority of people the problem was that politically it was even worse as Soviet authoritarianism effectively made political opposition completely impossible whilst in tsarist Russia they had a semi autonomous Duma (for a time only really late war did it finally seize back control) whilst economically they were much better off then previously they were also subjected to severe political inequality in some cases far more then in tsarist Russia with protests or strikes being not allowed, with even anti government demonstrations being even more brutally cracked down upon then even under the tsars. I don’t think think the mention of using the model of income of Soviet officials above average workers as a good judge, the Soviet Union was very corrupt, and whilst they didn’t make much more then workers, it’s difficult to track corruption when any criticism or investigation of the government from the outside would end up getting you labeled as a counterrevolutionary during stalins time, even Stalin leader of the Soviet Union didn’t keep money on him as he never needed to pay for he’d simply ask for it and because Stalin he’d get it, though financially not as rich they were far more politically able to do what they wished, capitalists could only dream of the level of state control leaders of the Soviet system could, as evidenced by Stalin and those whom used similar tactics. Also big point I don’t think you should be using modern day China as the example for wealth equality, they use the use very horrible working conditions with a horrifyingly authoritarian and repressive system of controlling workers, they aren’t controlling wealth acquisition for the good of the worker, but as another way of control over the economy and society they aren’t communist, they are autocratic state equivalent to tsarist Russia where any dissent is crushed as they yell about worker liberation they however care as much as bezos does for workers rights. Small mention though a Soviet citizen did have a millionaire (not in American in rubles). I think also think you shouldn’t treat the creation of the eastern block as building socialism, it was entirely and forcibly pushed upon its inhabitants with purges election fraud and suppression of any meaningful political opposition, whilst I did appreciate a condemnation of Stalin as many celebrate him blindly, I do think not making the distinction on it is a very dangerous idea not to mention them in the same section as your going point by point. Now you are right about numbers often being inflated for deaths across communist nations, and this is one of biggest problems with anti communists, a deliberate inflation of them for the magic “100 million” number, however the horror inflicted is undeniable across several regions with downright barbaric actions against ethnic groups, entire classes regardless of age and innocence, suppression of culture and religion, though I do appreciate shedding a light on MK ultra and other horrible crimes against workers, I do disagree with the idea Stalin was benign, communism in my opinion needs to continue to condemn the actions of murder and violent suppression of people like the poles, Jews and Ukrainians, even the United States didn’t resort to the level of widespread violence internally as the Soviets did (they did most of their terror abroad as did the Soviets) do think it’s a bit disengenous to quote a Marxist-Leninist when discussing political discourse instead of whom lived through both pre and post occupation of Eastern Europe in Poland or elsewhere, which would probably cast a more neutral light on what it was really like. I won’t state he’s lying because I can’t comment on that as I don’t know what he experienced but I do think the source is somewhat questionable being Albert Szymanski was according to my rough investigation born in 1941 in Czechoslovakia (I can’t confirm as he doesn’t have any good sources on him besides his bibliography.) think using a source from someone whom was born in the 1920s would have been better to get an idea on what pre and post occupation would be like. Think also the assessment of it not being terrible for political discourse misses a major issue, if you weren’t a communist or loyal to the party you weren’t allowed on the ballot or allowed to rule, or if you were unlucky enough to be the Romanian king despite being very popular forced into exile. Also the quote at 48:34 I’d have to argue against as increasingly anti communist sentiment was growing throughout the Soviet block, with the black ribbon day demonstrations that occurred just 2 years after the quote occuring, signifiying an increasing anti communist movement within the Soviet Union 56:48 I thank you for mentioning Russification as it doesn’t get mentioned enough, but I do wish you mentioned the banning of the Ukrainian national anthem in 1922, though the Soviet state also continued Russification of Ukraine encouraging mass immigration into Ukraine by Russians and in the tartars instance the near extermination of them as a culture. Also for the pole on popularity, I’m not entirely sure where the study come from beside it coming from an article by open democracy, so I don’t know if it’s correct though given how popular the Polish communist party is, I don’t think it’s correct though if there is more poles out there I’d appreciate it. Oh and small note. I’m not a capitalist I’m a syndicalist and simply dislike the acquisition of power on a centralized scale like that under the Soviet system.
@DerCent161
@DerCent161 2 ай бұрын
I don't know what I would do without your Input 💀
@krasinmarinov
@krasinmarinov 2 ай бұрын
5 hours later and you still didn't informed us of what you think/opinion
@honk813
@honk813 2 ай бұрын
@@krasinmarinovapologies I took quite some time listening to it whilst struggling with work.
@dkgamers1385
@dkgamers1385 2 ай бұрын
Nice video! Could i ask something? Why did you delete your video titled " the demonization of serbia " Did something change in your prespective , does it not reflect your political beliefs anymore , or maybe you think it isnt as well thought ,or something else ???
@onezero3218
@onezero3218 2 ай бұрын
The quote from Michael Parenti is right to the point. I can provide an example to which I was first hand witness. In 1989 the communist party in Bulgaria decided to let the Turkish population leave for Turkey. The Turks in Bulgaria were victims of the East vs. West confrontation - Turkey's intelligence was using them to sabotage Bulgaria in every possible way, Bulgaria was repressing them in return - in May./June 1989 when they left their language was banned and their names were changed to Bulgarian ones. I lived in a region where the Turks were 90% of the population so I know very well what happened. Upon leaving they were sure they are going to the paradise where they will immediately get huge salaries, Mercedes Benz.... and all the luxuries of Capitalism we used to see on the screen. Two months later they started to return, again en mass.....to the country which changed their names, Bulgaria was still communist. Many were crying when crossing the border back. later I talked to some of the neighbors - they were genuinely shocked by the fact that that they faced unemployment, had to actively look for a job, their labor was underpaid, had to work 12 hour shifts, had to pay for medical and dental care, and so on - they could not grasp this new reality and the alternative to return to the country which changed their names was a lot better option.
@hearthstoneencounters1173
@hearthstoneencounters1173 Ай бұрын
the year was 1986
@proletarianrise10
@proletarianrise10 Ай бұрын
This was a particularly useful documentary, especially for us folks who live in countries from the former Eastern bloc, to have a more nuanced understanding of what worked and didn't work back in those days. As a Romanian, though, perhaps what bothers me is how, by comparison to the other countries, things degenerated so much in the 1980s. The 70s were some of the best years from the former era here, so much so that even vitriolic anti-communists like my family agree with, going as far as to say that had the quality of life of those years persisted, Communism would have likely never been overthrown, but the 80s were simply miserable (which, speaking of, Hakim has also made a very good video on the 1989 coup recently, much of which can be confirmed). Also, up to this day, we still don't know who shot us (Ceasescu admitted at the trial, if one can even call it that, that he ordered the military NOT to shoot the people. Since he was going to die anyway, what incentive would he have to lie in his final moments?). We will eventually find out - once all responsible criminals are dead, of course. That being said, Ceausescu, unfortunately, also did much that was against the Marxist spirit, so to speak. I've sometimes heard the argument that he sympathized with Pol Pot, which could explain some things, since Pol Pot was not a Communist (Luna Oi has an amazing video about him and the Khmer Rouge). Something that got my attention were actually the abortion rights. Because he BANNED abortion. That was quite the bone-headed idea. As far as I understand, he wasn't particularly fond of public manifestations either, and there was even open censorship in the newspapers of the time, with censored articles being left in a blank box explicitly mentioning that "This article has been censored", although what the censored content usually was about eludes me. I also recall my father telling me how when people would start protesting, which was frowned upon, a van or two of militia would soon follow. He told me some funny stories about someone he happened to know from Securitate, who'd often come to protests and just tell everyone to get lost to avoid getting the stick. Stating intentions before getting down to business!
@eugenejakovlev3918
@eugenejakovlev3918 2 ай бұрын
Stalinism blah blah, bourgeois lies.
@BalkanOdyssey_
@BalkanOdyssey_ 2 ай бұрын
Dogmatism really will be the end of us
@maarten1115
@maarten1115 2 ай бұрын
​@@BalkanOdyssey_ Ironic statement, coming from you.
@tealover1836
@tealover1836 Ай бұрын
​@@BalkanOdyssey_ look who is talking
@eges72
@eges72 Ай бұрын
@@BalkanOdyssey_ Communists in the internet dogmatically worshipping Stalin are no different than religious fundamentalists and Reddit Atheists imo. Wonder how they'll react when I tell them Lenin was the greatest skeptical voice against Stalin at his last years, along with Trotsky, Pannekoek and Rosa Luxemburg.
@nikolaideianov5092
@nikolaideianov5092 2 ай бұрын
46:05 let be fair its not like the NKVD didnt do a LOT of bad things
@waltonsmith7210
@waltonsmith7210 2 ай бұрын
I'm always suspicious of exaggeration.
@lidyagor
@lidyagor 2 ай бұрын
It didn't do bad things.
@tealover1836
@tealover1836 Ай бұрын
​@@lidyagor it did
@enriquelescure9202
@enriquelescure9202 2 ай бұрын
The Ottoman Empire de-criminalized homosexuality in 1856.
@eges72
@eges72 2 ай бұрын
In fact homosexuality and transsexuality were not at all considered taboo in the Islamic world up until the early 20th century.
@thepunishersequence291
@thepunishersequence291 2 ай бұрын
​@@eges72 source?
@xxvxxv5588
@xxvxxv5588 2 ай бұрын
​​@@eges72 And that's mean that there is nothing inherently new and progressive about being pro-trance or pro- homosexuality.
@euphoriaggaminghd
@euphoriaggaminghd 2 ай бұрын
​@@xxvxxv5588Pro trans and Pro homosexuality? Why would anyone inherently be Pro these things? You mean Pro civil rights right
@Mangoeplanter
@Mangoeplanter 2 ай бұрын
​@@eges72yeah they killed you for that no questions asked
@SK-ki1kq
@SK-ki1kq 2 ай бұрын
1.The Russian Empire in 1913, before World War I, was the fastest-growing economy in the world, outpacing France in GDP. German military commanders predicted that if war with the Russian Empire began after 1917, they would lose, prompting them to push for an earlier conflict. Without communism and World War I, Russia would likely have become the largest economy in Europe by the 1920s. 2.The area of today's eastern Ukraine was the fastest industrializing region in Europe at the beginning of the 20th century. Ukraine also has some of the most fertile land in the world. In one of the most fertile agricultural regions, the communists managed to starve several million people to death, leading to the greatest famine in modern European history. 3. In the interwar period, Czechoslovakia was one of the most industrialized developed countries in the world. By 1945, before communism, it was more industrialized than most of Germany, which had been devastated by the war. 4. In 1939, Poland had a higher GDP than Spain. Even after the war, until around 1965, Poland's GDP remained greater than Spain's. When communism fell in 1989, Spain's GDP was eight times higher than Poland's. 5. Comparing East and West Germany is revealing. West Germany, despite being completely destroyed after the war, rebuilt itself to become the largest economy in Europe, while East Germany in 1989 was on par with most Eastern Bloc countries. To sum up, this is speculative, but if it were not for communism, most of Eastern Europe would not lag behind Western countries and would be at least at the level of development and income of Southern European countries. Some countries, such as the Czech Republic, would probably be comparable in terms of development to Germany and France. I don't want to say that communism had no achievements; for example, it eliminated illiteracy in many communist countries and had significant merits in education. However, if you look at other parameters like the number of apartments per capita, income, infrastructure, and standard of living, communism increased the differences between Eastern and Western Europe. Even countries such as Spain and Greece, which at the beginning of the 20th century were no better developed than Eastern European countries and which were also devastated by wars, were incomparably more developed than post-communist countries in the 1980s and 1990s. Communism fell because it went bankrupt. Its negative legacies, such as corruption, nepotism in many former communist countries, the oligarchies formed from former communist elites, or the sale of industry to Western companies with which post-communist companies could not compete, still weigh on this region today.
@danielk934
@danielk934 2 ай бұрын
Oh boy….we have smart history learner here >the fastest-growing economy in the world Well, when you have 0 vehicles in 1912 and then you have 2 vehicles in 1913 it means your growth rate is 200%, fastest to be sure. But seriously speaking, Russian Empire didn’t have independent early industry, Lenin even wrote about it, how Russian industry was international. And Russia didn’t have choice to participate in WWI or not, it had been dependent on “allies”. Second: Russian empire had tough situation in peasantry, it was problem which cause giant growth of terrorism against Empire’s leaders >German military German military May have great fantasy, German generals also love to imagine victory over France in 1917. In 1917 February Empire ended. New government was UNABLE to control situation, Petrograd (capital city) was on verge of starvation, because railroad system collapsed. Communists haven’t came to power. And imagining things like you do is very stupid. Communists turned collapsing Empire into first space country. >Eastern Ukraine Yeah, and during USSR it was developing rapidly, after independence Ukraine screwed up all their industry of Donbass. They turned this region into poorest. Capitalism caused that. >in one of the most fertile regions Which witnessed famines during Empire. But I have way more interesting question: after 1933, was there any more famines in Ukraine same scale? Except 1947 (this is post war and luckily much lesser scale) You know that in Poland in 1933 was happening hunger too, exactly on Ukrainian territories, was it done by communists too? >in 1939 Poland had higher GDP In 1945 was Poland same like it was in 1939? Was it communism ruling in Warsaw from 1939 to 1945?
@danielk934
@danielk934 2 ай бұрын
I can say you are special type of genius You compare Poland of 1939 which had lived in peace for quiet a time….with Spain, which ended civil war in 1939. OBVIOUSLY POLAND WOULD LOOK BETTER. You think we are that dumb?! Plus, is GDP only metric we use in comparing economy? Well, I should say, East Germany GDP wasn’t much different from Greek for some time.
@SK-ki1kq
@SK-ki1kq 2 ай бұрын
​@@danielk934 In 1913, the Russian Empire had a higher GDP than countries such as France, Austria-Hungary, Japan, and Italy. While its per capita GDP lagged behind the West, its overall GDP base was not low. So, it probably didn't have just two cars :-). The Soviet Union did not reach 1913 levels of food production until 1955. It's important to distinguish between famines and deliberate starvation caused by political decisions. The starvation of millions in Ukraine was a political crime perpetrated by Soviet authorities. The USSR prioritized heavy industry at the cost of millions of lives, with workers often forced into brutal conditions. Additionally, the space and weapons programs significantly contributed to the Soviet Union's economic decline. Industry in communist countries collapsed because it was often developed in isolation from the actual needs of the economy. A large amount of heavy industry was focused on armaments rather than consumer goods. Moreover, many large industrial plants were technologically outdated and unable to compete with Western industries. Consequently, after the fall of communism, much of the heavy industry either went bankrupt or was taken over by Western companies. Not to mention the oligarchs, mainly from the former communist authorities, whose nepotism and corruption have destroyed many economies in the region. Comparing Poland and Spain is a good example because the countries are similar in terms of population and size. Poland, which like Spain was devastated by the war, had a higher GDP until about 1965. By 1989, when communism fell, Spain's GDP was eight times higher. In terms of parameters like the standard of living, average life expectancy, level of infrastructure, and number of apartments per capita, there was a significant gap between these countries in 1989. Comparing southern European countries in the 1940s and 1950s, which were no more developed than Central and Eastern Europe, to the 1990s, reveals a substantial disparity. In fact, apart from education, which was at a very high level in communist countries, communism increased the development disparities between Western countries and Central and Eastern Europe. Sticking to Poland .Over the last thirty-five years, after the fall of communism, Poland has actually come closest to Western levels of development, reaching 80% of EU average GDP per capita . Economically, the last 35 years have probably been the best growth period in Poland's history. In terms of GDP per capita based on purchasing power, Central and Eastern European countries such as Poland, the Czech Republic, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Slovenia, Croatia, Slovakia, Romania and Hungary are now at a similar level to Portugal or Greece, despite the huge difference 35 years ago.
@qwerty-tv9wc
@qwerty-tv9wc 2 ай бұрын
​@@danielk934 There were no multiple famines in Ukraine under the tsar as devastating as the Stalin's. Neither Polish Ukrainian population dropped in the interwar period. You are just coping.
@manekrit2417
@manekrit2417 2 ай бұрын
1. Russian nominal gdp was larger the France due Russia having way more population (4 times). Russia had 2.5 time more population then the Germany and lower GDP then the Germany. Country started to industrialize railways metallurgy and millitary industrial complex, but failed because it had not industrialized agriculture. Also a lot of enterprises were owned by westerners. Could Russia outcompete Germay in WW2 like that i think it is very unlikely. State was run with hereditary buerocrats and patchwork governance and basicaly crumbled in late 1916 early 1917. Administrative restructuring was crucial achivement of revolution which held USSR together in WW2. 2. South Ukraine had famines every almost 10 years. Steppes have long dry spells(I`m from there) 1891 and 1911 famines each took away +- 2.5 million lives. They just were not counted most of famines recorded were from outside scources like Polish ones. Response to 1933 was bad decision making. But in comparison they managed famine of 1946 well which led to population explosion. 3. most of Czech industry were in Sudets which were in active ethnic cleansing before and after WW2. Which meant that nominaly country had a lot of industry but genocidal policies impeded usage of it. 4.Spain was in civil war this argument is laughable. And you just can`t compare GDP and actual economy cuz in socialist systems a lot of production have no ascined monetary value 5. West Germany was way more industrialized and dens then east before WW2. East was forced into reparations by USSR and East still kept up with west until mid 80th. It went bankrupt but it was due unsuccessfull implemetation of cooperatives during Perestroika. Which broke supply chains. Powerfull Party just had no incentive to keep system which limited its wealth. Corruption is omnipresent it is stabilizing factor in any system especially capitalist ones.
@Lukasz0707
@Lukasz0707 2 ай бұрын
32:34 What is the sorce for this statement? Stalin in fact promoted completely opposite view of INTENSIFICATION OF CLASS STRUGLE (and was strongly criticized for it), it was Khrushchev who declared USSR a "state of all people"
@Lukasz0707
@Lukasz0707 2 ай бұрын
It is surprising mistake to make in such well researched video but still great job comrade.
@davideriksson8479
@davideriksson8479 2 ай бұрын
How do communists view contracts between individuals? Suggest I offer someone to deliver goods that I produce to the local store. If this makes me a 5% profit and the one who delivers the goods a 3% profit, is this seen as unequal since I made a bigger profit, or is it fair since we both made a profit?
@wojciech-aleksjejdiablewic884
@wojciech-aleksjejdiablewic884 2 ай бұрын
I think the main problem why it all lead to this was the Autoritarian policies and mainly The Stalin Paranoya that later lead to purges and implementic the same system of repression in all socialist state. Because of that many unesessery actions and spliting Europe in half we now need to deal with all those actions made by one and only... Russia. If Soviet Leadership was more reformist and avoid brezhnev era...Meaby world might be been better place? (Or meaby is just my peak fiction)
@victorconway444
@victorconway444 2 ай бұрын
You call Stalin "paranoid" yet the people he suspected of being revisionists...turned out to be revisionists once they took control of the party. Stalin and the hardliners of the party should've conducted another purge in the 40s and 50s. The destabilization caused by the German invasion gave the capitalist-roader bureaucrats too much power. Stalin had plans to dissolve this counter-revolutionary clique in the party/state and restrengthen the proletarian dictatorship, but he prioritized rebuilding eastern europe and weathering the crises and feared rocking the boat too much. His declining health and gradual seclusion from state affairs might have also played a part. But I feel like this was an error that gave Khrushchev and his cronies the opportunity they needed to conduct their Thermidor.
@ForgotMyPasswd000
@ForgotMyPasswd000 2 ай бұрын
The authoritarianism was definitely an issue to an extent but moreso because opportunism in the party wasn't countered effectively and just relied on purges getting rid of these elements which just led to chaos as important figures that served key roles in the party who couldve been debated and convinced of a more correct path were purged. Id argue that the Maoist ideas around constant debate and building up organic bases of support that have the ability to attack the party if they fall into opportunism is the path future revolutions will go down, although there is still a lot of work needed to understand how to go about this considering the failures of the cultural revolution in China to actually do what it was meant to do and the issues Maoist parties are running into with rightism.
@knowledgeanddefense1054
@knowledgeanddefense1054 2 ай бұрын
@@victorconway444 Nice propaganda, isn't it convenient that anyone who questioned the holy supremacy of Mr. "commodity production in one state capitalist country is socialism because I say so" turned out to be revisionists?
@victorconway444
@victorconway444 2 ай бұрын
@@knowledgeanddefense1054 Lmao tell me you haven't read Lenin without saying you haven't read Lenin. Might be difficult for a western leftoid to understand, but "state capitalism" was actually a good thing for the USSR with its conditions. As was commodity production, a means to facilitate exchange between urban enterprises and the collective farms. But I'm interested to hear how you would do it better.
@knowledgeanddefense1054
@knowledgeanddefense1054 2 ай бұрын
@@victorconway444 I'm not from the west a-hole and no it wasn't, if you read MARX instead of his later revisionists you'd see that he advocated for worker councils (like those soviets which lenin supported up until the moment they stopped voting for him, afterwards he started making things up against them and grabbed all power to himself) and one of the last things he ever wrote was his admiration for specifically Russian peasant communes... too bad the bolsheviks hated the peasantry and murdered them and their families in droves, huh? I'm not even a marxist but I agree with Marx, Luxemburg and council communists that this is how you do it.
@flameguy3416
@flameguy3416 2 ай бұрын
Communism ended in Eastern Europe when all the available money went into the pockets of Oligarchs and Soviet statesmen. Soviet Russia was the biggest money siphon ever devised until Only Fans came along. It all boils down to Greed.
@redlion45
@redlion45 2 ай бұрын
It ended when three guys in a room illegally dissolved the USSR against 77% of the populations wishes, and collaborators like Yeltsin siphoned off state assets to foreign companies for pennies on the dollar.
@TiananmenPrism
@TiananmenPrism 2 ай бұрын
Soviet Russia was the biggest money siphon... You ever heard about USA? 😂
@modelarsky
@modelarsky 2 ай бұрын
if u think that OF is a bigger money siphon then you are lost mu dude XD look up USA's military budget amd net worth of people owning the companies sucking up all of those bilions of taxpayer dollars. also, what you described is called capitalist restoration, neoliberal shock-therapy - not communism XD for thkse oligarchies and crisis i the 90s you have to thank your big daddy USA, not communism XD
@redlion45
@redlion45 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, maybe that's because western backed traitors like Yeltsin illegally dissolved the USSR against the wishes of 77% of the population, and then gave their state owned assets to western companies for pennies on the dollar. But yes, please tell me how the USSR siphoned this money 😂
@kongspeaks4778
@kongspeaks4778 2 ай бұрын
Me no read books, me believe grandma's bedtime story instead
@undergroundsound7419
@undergroundsound7419 2 ай бұрын
The Stalinist period severely curtailed the rights to birth control and abortion that had been afforded to women, and divorce was made more difficult. While women had theoretically equal rights as men, women were disproportionately kept out of the leadership of the communist party, and established sexism (which the Soviet govt. under Stalin did little to remedy compared to the previous government) kept women from advancing in society into positions of management. Women were unable to advance, beyond a very few, into high Party leadership thorughout the lifetime of the USSR. The original poster does discuss these remaining barriers for women in his sources, but fails to discuss the rollback of abortion and reproductive policy under Stalin, which seems disingenuous
@Veles1113
@Veles1113 2 ай бұрын
While in same time women werent even allowed to vote in US along with people of color.
@user-oz5yk9bm5c
@user-oz5yk9bm5c 2 ай бұрын
You got a source for this?
@cvybays3733
@cvybays3733 2 ай бұрын
@@user-oz5yk9bm5c I know Lady izdihar has a good video on the abortion and birth control restrictions as well as Soviet Democracy by Pat Sloan having a good section on it as well. for the women in leadership question, well in my opinion it's a foolish talk, as even if women are in leadership positions that doesn't equate with good conditions for women and plus we have to compare it for the time as the strides in women's rights were completely unknown to almost anywhere in the world, which forced the western ruling classes to give women rights to the sciences in order to not get smoked in the space race. books i recommend for these topics are "Soviet Democracy" by Pat Sloan, "Statsi State or Socialist Paradise" by Bruni De La Motte and John Green, as well as "Why women have better sex under socialism" Kristen Ghodsee" (a book I have yet to read myself but a very good one on this topic from what i've heard)
@user-oz5yk9bm5c
@user-oz5yk9bm5c 2 ай бұрын
@@cvybays3733 Thank you:)
@RealObama.
@RealObama. Ай бұрын
Germany and Japan both suffered from oppressive regimes and subsequently got bombed a lot. This caused their economy to collapse, yet here we are in the modern day, and as a result of capitalism both Germany and Japan have the fourth and fifth largest economy.
@stefmyt5062
@stefmyt5062 29 күн бұрын
Watch the video. If you think that's impressive, then the statistics on the Soviet economy will blow you away.
@Thelordofhate
@Thelordofhate Ай бұрын
The holdommer and comunist romania have joined the chat Wether on not you think the holdommer was a genocide or not it still goes to show that maybe communism didn't save eastern europe
@dragontime4838
@dragontime4838 2 ай бұрын
i am latvian, i fully disagree with you, we were the economic centre of the baltics before the 1918 freedom revoloution, during our free years until 1940 we were super developed compared to everyone around us, we were a industrial powerhouse. what happens when the ussr comes? our economy collapses and we go back to farming. 200+k of my people were deported and noone knows how many were shot and or killed, they tried to ethnically cleanse us. They sent us away and sent ukrainians, belorussians and russians here. we were ruined by the ussr and communism, if we would've stayed like what we were pre annexation, we would be on simmilar terms to finland and or denmark. instead we are well off, but not nearly as well as we could've been if we had been left alone.
@chemreac1
@chemreac1 2 ай бұрын
Statistical data shows that Latvia had a higher standard of living than the Russian SSR. Your economy never 'collapsed' thanks to any circumstances but war, and after ww2 all soviet satellites developed steadily throughout their existence. Maybe not as fast as the US, but they never had crashes either.
@ahemenidov1900
@ahemenidov1900 2 ай бұрын
Not you were, but mostly Baltic Germans on service of Russian Empire and some rich Russians together with them. Btw, many of these Germans were true patriots of Russian Empire and struggled for Tzar in Civil war. Anyway, second thing was having access to entire market of Russian Empire. After Germans and White Russians have gone everything was about to finish. But Soviet Union has come and made for you convenient to blame it for your dreams ruining. However indeed USSR policy was to bring you exceptional economic privileges which most of USSR regions might only dream to have. After USSR collapse you continued parasite earnings on Russia via ports, dirty currency games and money laundering. But since 2010s Russia slowly started to shut down all your activities. And finally 2022 year, the game changer, left you alone, totally isolated from interacting with large Russian market. Back to nowhere
@talismanbrunski2582
@talismanbrunski2582 2 ай бұрын
@@chemreac1 I'm a second generation Latvian they're 100% correct about the state of Latvia. As far as your comment please link your statistical dat because I call bullshit. And what happened to Latvia and what Latvians had to endure was horrific. Whatever statistics you're going. to pull out of your ass doesn't take away from that even if there were marginal increase to standard of living in some respect (which I'm highly skeptical of). Also, your reminder that Russia nor any ML country has actually achieved socialism
@ludviglidstrom6924
@ludviglidstrom6924 Ай бұрын
If the world ends in nuclear apocalypse, I will be very thankful to the Baltic states for triggering that apocalypse…
@ohayes86
@ohayes86 2 ай бұрын
Interesting take. One thing I would say is that I liked the old left better than the left we have today
@everythingiseconomics9742
@everythingiseconomics9742 2 ай бұрын
Socialist countries weren't the first to decriminalize homossexuality. I don't know much about this history throughout the world, but once Brazil became independent, in 1822, homosexuality stopped being illegal and never became illegal again. The Ottoman empire de jure decriminalized it in 1858
@poli6ady
@poli6ady 2 ай бұрын
I trust your video will be good and of high quality as always.. But there are some concerning flags such as using only references produced during soviet times from soviet sources, and frankly, as a person who grew up with the propaganda, you should know better! And you failed to mention that the severe state of the balkans was directly after freeing ourselves from ottoman rule. Followed shortly by the Balkan wars and WW1. I mean, Bulgaria for sure was up and running for the first time independently as much as possible. Good things were happening and BAM communism, dark ages, all the progress smashed into pieces. And as much as our parents and grandparents are claiming the same things over and over again, like a broken record - we worked, BUT WE HAD EDUCATION, WE HAD OUR OWN INDUSTRY, WE WERE SAFE sfwjepof[wfklsflwef Little did they know that while we had 'such a flourishing industry' Bulgaria bankrupted 8 times and took loans from the Union. We were safe because it was a huge police state. We were producing for other soviet economies to take. There are good sides of course but the truth is - this was the dark ages for most of us and the effect is still ongoing til this day. I have to admit, one of the best propaganda campaigns that holds a grip on my grandparents still. And of course the regime was fake, that's why it didn't work. The leaders of all soviet countries had palaces built from the most luxurious imported materials.. anyway. And you should really experience it to understand. Stop romanticising the communist states. It did not work the way it was intended. Did you forget Chernobyl? For fks sake, people ate from that irradiated food because our government did not tell them for 2 weeks and hid in a government building with clean water and safe food.. just so the regime doesn't crack in front of the people's eyes. There you go. Now I will watch the video.
@11RESERVERED
@11RESERVERED 2 ай бұрын
The fact is though, situations like the Holodomor and the treatment of Poland by the Soviet Union will just be ignored by so many here by saying how good communism is. You can say that life was better tha expected and comfortable there, it wasn't worth it to kill so much in that time period for the public. Some would say America is the the same way, but not nearly to the extent.
@InsertNameHereBoi
@InsertNameHereBoi 2 ай бұрын
Did you watch the video? He clearly mentions existing socialism's many mistakes (and mentions that he will talk about it in more detail in another video)
@11RESERVERED
@11RESERVERED 2 ай бұрын
@@InsertNameHereBoi Yes, but he mentions specifically how the Soviet Union supported the other languages and cultures. That is wrong, they tried to erase Ukrainian culture and that mindset of them never even existing is what caused the war right now. Not to mention he said it is western propaganda about the mistreatment of civilians and there are many who happily escaped. And if I recall he said the first person who landed on the moon was from the Soviet Union, that is a lie. It was Neil Armstrong
@linusmayden8465
@linusmayden8465 Ай бұрын
But Capitalists do that all the time, they ignore the Bengal Famine, the Irish Famine, the massacre in East Timor and they are doing it right now with Gaza and talk about how good they are.
@SomeGuyFromBalkan
@SomeGuyFromBalkan 2 ай бұрын
Was ur anti serbian propaganda exposing video removed or?? Cuz i cant find it?
@Crimson19977
@Crimson19977 2 ай бұрын
Ain't no way that the title of this video is real
@Mangoeplanter
@Mangoeplanter 2 ай бұрын
Fr
@user-wx6vz2vn3y
@user-wx6vz2vn3y 2 ай бұрын
He is talking facts
@Mangoeplanter
@Mangoeplanter 2 ай бұрын
@@user-wx6vz2vn3y like the fact that communism suck
@Crimson19977
@Crimson19977 2 ай бұрын
@@user-wx6vz2vn3y as an Eastern European... no, he isn't.
@user-oz5yk9bm5c
@user-oz5yk9bm5c 2 ай бұрын
@@user-wx6vz2vn3y indeed. the fall of communism was the day the world went to shit.
@SerbAtheist
@SerbAtheist 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, this is complete bunk. Yugoslavia had a stagnant economy full of bloated and non-competitive firms that relied on a continuous supply of credit to stay afloat. When this credit dried up rampant inflation which eventually lead into a hyperinflation was the norm. In just the last 20 years Serbia has truly gotten back on its feet. Hopefully the misery of the communist era will long since be forgotten.
@zoltanhorvath7454
@zoltanhorvath7454 2 ай бұрын
I was still a kid in the 80s communist Hungary. I loved my childhood. The school system was good at that time and the quality of education was very high even for the tradies! I have seen the decline from the 90s onwards especially in the society. 😢
@martinlisitsata
@martinlisitsata 2 ай бұрын
That's a lie (or simply a mistake) 55:00 , from the french to the ottoman empire there are many countries that decriminalized it before the Russians . Everything else (depending on your definition of vague wording ) is more or less true .
@chaoticcritical9335
@chaoticcritical9335 2 ай бұрын
Out of curiosity, whyd you sponsor surfshark?
@bartoZZ10
@bartoZZ10 2 ай бұрын
Nice video. The industralisation after the WWII was a big benefit of the USSR, for sure, especially in Poland and Russia who were decimated by the war. Important to mention that a lot of technology was either bought or leased from the west, very few was coming from USSR countries. The main problem was that by the 80', the USSR countries were still into coal and steel industry while the west was rapidly moving into electronics, IT and service industry, leaving the east even more obsolete. The theory of USSR overtaking the US was made in the 50 and indeed it was just a 'feeling' where USSR was really on a rising trend. By 1980s that trend would never materialised, no way. So in the end, yes, the communism indeed saved the eastern Europe by rapid albeit inefficient industrialisation. However, all soviet countries were left with obsolete, badly mismanage and not competitive industries that were further decimated by local governments selling them for pennies to western agents
@flameguy3416
@flameguy3416 2 ай бұрын
Yes a communist would only look at mass industrialisation as a marker for success
@waltonsmith7210
@waltonsmith7210 2 ай бұрын
Only because of western sanctions and bans on technology being sent to the communist block. They did invent plenty of technologies on their own. They invented cell phones and put a man in space. Imagine what they could do with modern computing. And badly mismanaged and inefficient compared to what. There's plenty of inefficiency and mismanagement in the West,too.
@vietnamfnf6162
@vietnamfnf6162 2 ай бұрын
0:30 i litteraly saw this is history exam training i did for no reason at all.
@will823
@will823 2 ай бұрын
Socialism for America
@Pridetoons
@Pridetoons 2 ай бұрын
Socialism for All!!!
@will823
@will823 2 ай бұрын
@@Pridetoons you know what I mean but yes
@yaelz6043
@yaelz6043 2 ай бұрын
You wouldn't be able to handle it.
@connornoel2138
@connornoel2138 2 ай бұрын
​@yaelz6043 are you implying that the overwhelming wave of relief from knowing that the levers of power are no longer held individualistic sociopaths who are only concerned with amassing the largest pile of plunder is somehow hazardous? I disagree
@MikeJoe-jy5kp
@MikeJoe-jy5kp 2 ай бұрын
Yes
@klintonjezena6458
@klintonjezena6458 2 ай бұрын
Well it is quite unreasonable to say that socialism saved people from feudalism. Appart from USSR, it came into eastern Europe in 1945. by which time feudalism didn't exist anywhere anymore.
@PastPerspectives3
@PastPerspectives3 2 ай бұрын
Almost like this video has an offensively stupid, indefensible, and insensitive thesis statement.
@pao5567
@pao5567 2 ай бұрын
​@@PastPerspectives3 the ussr brought toilets to eastern europe
@mariopopa1350
@mariopopa1350 2 ай бұрын
@@pao5567 it brought death, poverty, authoritarnism and russification ; any glorification of USSR is a disgrace towards all minorities, who ended up in the Soviet Union after WW2 (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Eastern Poland, Eastern Finland).
@pao5567
@pao5567 2 ай бұрын
@@mariopopa1350 >poverty Watch le video, also pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2430906/ >authoritarianism Watch le video >russification You still speak your language kek
@danielk934
@danielk934 2 ай бұрын
Feudalism existed mainly in underdeveloped countries, like Romania and Hungary Poland before 1939 had Ukrainian East, which was super underdeveloped and rural While Czechoslovakia, yes, it was developed
@SUDMONEYBAGS
@SUDMONEYBAGS 2 ай бұрын
I'm Armenian and my entire family my mother especially loved and still love the Soviet union and communism it was a era of better times and of peace when there was no war, although I'm a Orthodox Christian I do have a weird odd soft spot for the Soviet union not really for communism though
@glavnibajaumahalu8535
@glavnibajaumahalu8535 Ай бұрын
At the beginning the USSR had some strong anti religious policies which do not at all represent communism or marxism. It was probably one of their biggest mistakes.
@matthewhuszarik4173
@matthewhuszarik4173 2 ай бұрын
A lot of propaganda. You mix up backwards Russia with very developed Baltic States, Poland, and Czechoslovakia. They weren’t still feudal in the 20th century. Yes Romania and the Balkans were still very primitive but the northern and central parts of Eastern Europe weren’t.
@JohnoftheWesternlands
@JohnoftheWesternlands 2 ай бұрын
Actually the Baltics and Poland were part of the backward Russian Empire and they were feudal
@matthewhuszarik4173
@matthewhuszarik4173 2 ай бұрын
@@JohnoftheWesternlands They were all split off from the Soviet Union after WW1 and actually only a small sliver of present day Poland was part of Russia mostly it was part of German Empire and the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The Baltic States and that small part of Poland only became part of Russia in the late 18th and early 19th centuries. They never became Russified and were more occupied nations, because all throughout the 19th and into the 20th century there were regular revolts to rid themselves of the Russians. Feudalism ended in Poland and the Baltic states in the middle of the 18th century when it ended in the rest of Western Europe before they were occupied by Russia. Feudalism persisted in Russia until later in the 19th century.
@maspalfiker
@maspalfiker 2 ай бұрын
The author of the video made the same mixup with all the lands which were a part of Austria-Hungary such as Croatia too. From his earlier videos I figured he is originaly from Bosnia, and yes Bosnia and other SEE countries, or the Balkan region, were not long enough part of the "west" thru their membership in the Austro-Hungarian monarchy but instead were up until the end of the 19th/early 20th century just economicaly and socialy destroyed feudal colonies of the Ottoman empire. After WW2, when they were ocupied by the USSR-influenced communist regime, that regime did at first do a lot for them to catch-up with the rest of Europe but eventualy faild from the 70s to the 80s because socio-economic development does not go hand in hand with totalitarian regimes which stay in pover only thru their secret police brutality in order to silence all who dare to have different opinions.
@qwerty-tv9wc
@qwerty-tv9wc 2 ай бұрын
Before WW2 Estonia had co parabole GDP to its neighbor Finland. Crazy to think about.
@filipzietek5146
@filipzietek5146 2 ай бұрын
Poland was very backward before ww2, my great grandfather was a politician and my grandfather lived nearly to 100 so i learnt alot about this period from them. Police brutality was also 10x higher during that time than under communism, compare how many striking workers were shot before ww2 and under communism.
@McHobotheBobo
@McHobotheBobo 2 ай бұрын
Chemical Mind just did the same title but for Western Europe! Looking forward to watching you both, and both statements are utterly true, communism forced humanity to do be and live better
@flameguy3416
@flameguy3416 2 ай бұрын
Live better? It put tens of millions into the ground directly due to its policies. Grow up you idealist.
@BalkanOdyssey_
@BalkanOdyssey_ 2 ай бұрын
It's actually a two-part collaboration, but nice that you noticed both without knowing that in advance lol
@McHobotheBobo
@McHobotheBobo 2 ай бұрын
@@BalkanOdyssey_ Yes I noticed that shortly after as I initially just saw the uploads lol
@robertmartin6800
@robertmartin6800 2 ай бұрын
Emphasis on “force.”
@McHobotheBobo
@McHobotheBobo 2 ай бұрын
@@robertmartin6800 As opposed to being forced to be worse? Look up the enclosure acts and cry me a river
@CptHalifax
@CptHalifax 2 ай бұрын
Quick note. KZfaq showed me several advertisements for the German far right party AfD throughout your video. 😅 if it’s possible for you to block that garbage to be shown in your videos I would be very happy 😄
@elclaustrocl
@elclaustrocl 2 ай бұрын
uBlock extension ;)
@8lec_R
@8lec_R 2 ай бұрын
KZfaq creators can't do that anymore. Not easily at least. The council of geeks KZfaq channel had a video on it. If I remember correctly you need to go to your ad sense account and block it from there. Again I'm not sure. But you will have to help BO with URLs and the name of the videos/articles or whatever it was. He won't know
@dashua1735
@dashua1735 2 ай бұрын
Some mistakes in this video. It's "Bureaucracy", not "Bueraucracy". The prefix "bureau-" comes from the french word "bureau", which means "desk" or "office".
@illbeback3150
@illbeback3150 2 ай бұрын
Hey BalkanOdyssey I wonder what is your stance on religion?
@LexStrat
@LexStrat 2 ай бұрын
Мы в гражданской войне потеряли 10 млн человек, потом в великой отчечественной 27 млн, а потом в 90 еще лямов 10
@pavelZhd
@pavelZhd 2 ай бұрын
Regarding the "forced collectivization". It is actually pretty fascinating topic to study. Start by addressing the elephant in the room - yes, the plan collectivization caused many tragedies and loss of life that with better implementation could have been avoided. But at the same time all those "better implementations" we see now are just a hindsight. And when it was carried out it was new and untreated grounds. Basically it was recognized that a key factor in industrialization is transitioning from small scale farming to large scale farming. Because no matter what machinery you get and how many factories you build - if your population is in the field and not in the factory your economy does not work. You have to merge small farms into large farms. Large farms are more effective so they require less manpower to operate and all this manpower can then be funneled into growing inductry. However at the same time all the historical evidence of this farm aggregation in other countries showed that it follows a rather disturbing path. Some farmers who are better off start giving loans to their less fortunate neighbours. Then more likely than not those loans not being paid back result in larger farmer repossession the land of the smaller farmers and from there the process snowballs to end up with some winners at the top, and a lot of people who lost their land because they got screwed by their neighbours when they fell on hard times. And on one hand such disenfranchised people are about as likely to turn to crime as they are to seeking better life in the city at the factory (and with a lot of small arms still around in the population as a remnant of the civil war, getting a crime surge is not what you want). And the lucky landowners are... Well... Landowners. And USSR was not too keen on having those capitalists around. So a plan was made to expedite this process without relying on the "market forces" to spawn more capitalists. And while it had a lot of setbacks caused by both error made due to having little clue of what hidden problems might arise, and by resistance from the burgeoning wealthy farmers who correctly figured out that their dreams of becoming a superwealthy capitalist are now being ripped from under them (the Kulaks), but overall it did its job and with less death and suffering that the alternative would have caused.
@fankymonk8868
@fankymonk8868 2 ай бұрын
You're goddamn right, Comrade.
@vadimk3484
@vadimk3484 2 ай бұрын
Bukharin's group advocated for the "natural" approach to collectivization - first, let the kulaks naturally concentrate everything by means of capitalist competition, and then expropriate it from them already "collectivized". That approach was rejected as social-darwinism because it essentially meant that all the regular peasants would get fed to the kulaks and suffer in the process. In hindsight, maybe that way would've been better in the long run, because nobody would be stupid enough nowadays to deny that the kulaks were parasites, exploiters and criminals.
@pavelZhd
@pavelZhd 2 ай бұрын
@@vadimk3484 even with all my annoyance at people trying to paint Kulaks as "honest hard working farmers who were punished by the government" I still would not even consider that dispelling such narrative could be worth even a fraction of suffering caused by this pauperisation instead of collectivization approach. Like eve as a joke such notion sounds incredibly poor taste to me.
@fankymonk8868
@fankymonk8868 2 ай бұрын
@@vadimk3484 Yes, yes, because the kulaks would have just given away the loot that they had (no). Such an approach would unleash a new civil war. No one needed it. You probably have little or no knowledge of historical materialism, I strongly advise you to study it. And in general, philosophy as such, so as not to draw such conclusions based on idealism.
@robertkeaney9905
@robertkeaney9905 2 ай бұрын
@@fankymonk8868 Its laughable that people are acting like the Kulaks were sugar cain plantation owners. They were relatively small farmers. Who didn't have much. But were despised by people who had even less than them. Going after the Kulaks was a cynical political play. To win over large chunks of the Proletariat. Since poor peasants in the country side aren't familiar enough with the ultra rich to hate them or despise them, the same way that a factory worker might despise their rich fat cat boss. But the Kulak, that shit head neighbor who had two cattle while you had none, was familiar. And familiarity breeds contempt In the Targetting of the of the Kulaks we see an example of the Narcism of small differences. You see the same thing in modern leftist communities. Objectively, we might say things like "Eat the rich". But the people we hate the most are leftists like us who differ in some small but significant way.
@undergroundsound7419
@undergroundsound7419 2 ай бұрын
The influence of the worker councils was profound in the early years of the Soviet Union. They were intended to be directly elected bodies responsible to their electors and bound by their instructions, embodying a form of direct democracy. However, over time, the power of the soviets diminished as the Soviet Union moved towards a more centralized state under Stalin’s rule. The workers’ councils, which Lenin once identified as the embryo of communist governance, were integrated into the state apparatus and lost much of their autonomy and influence. By the time of Stalin’s leadership, the soviets had become largely symbolic, with real political power being concentrated in the hands of the Communist Party and its bureaucracy. Communists play this mot and bailey game where they talk a game about loving democracy in the workplace but in practice all the countries they love to point to that have worker council's at their workplace always end up being rubbed stamp committees for the centralised authorities, and they will cope by calling it Democratic centralism, which is definitely not the goods they advertised with at first when they try to sell the idea of democratising the workplace.
@binbows2258
@binbows2258 2 ай бұрын
You should watch the video "The Bolshevik War Against the Soviets" by Noj Rants. Even since BEFORE the founding of the USSR, during the time of Lenin, the Soviets, Peasant's Councils, and local assemblies were being oppressed and puppeted by the Bolsheviks. The Soviets were never truly independent, free, or democratic for as long as Bolshevism held sway in the Russian Empire. The Bolsheviks even repeatedly extorted, opened fire on, and arrested many independent Soviets for being "counter-revolutionary." Edit: Noj Rants's other videos are fantastic as well. I recomend him through and through.
@GuiC-37
@GuiC-37 Ай бұрын
Can you pleaaaase give us the references used in the videooo
@RandomLuck12345
@RandomLuck12345 6 күн бұрын
I'm preety sure it's in a pinned comment
@BenjaminWalburn
@BenjaminWalburn 2 ай бұрын
10:48 "yassification of leadership" is all I could hear
@jistikoff2361
@jistikoff2361 2 ай бұрын
From a modernized socialist state to a dying colony of the US empire, where most people exist to be exploited with one of the lowest life expectancy not only in Europe, but in the world, that's where I live.
@zubal6121
@zubal6121 2 ай бұрын
Holy shit are you going trotskyite? And I thought you abandoned liberalism.
@zubal6121
@zubal6121 2 ай бұрын
@@April-zr4bihe said that sioc is an „ad-hoc“ theory and talked about „stalinism“
@April-zr4bi
@April-zr4bi 2 ай бұрын
nevermind about my (now deleted) comment holy shit I was NOT expecting that from him anyone using the term "stalinism" without the slightest hint of irony is genuinely so confusing to me
@zubal6121
@zubal6121 2 ай бұрын
@@April-zr4bi it also could be baby leftism as he doesn‘t properly understand sioc, either that or trotskyite misconstruction of the theory
@April-zr4bi
@April-zr4bi 2 ай бұрын
@@zubal6121 it genuinely sounds like something i would hear from a disingenuous anti-communist on tiktok or something 😭
@BalkanOdyssey_
@BalkanOdyssey_ 2 ай бұрын
Let's say I'm a baby leftist. Explain the irony of using the term "Stalinism" in a few sentences. I'll hear you out.
@Flow86767
@Flow86767 2 ай бұрын
What do you think of Vadim Rogovin’s work, « Was there an alternative »? I’m very tempted to read it to see a more critical view of the Stalinist regime from a more leftist / Trotskyist point of view. Would you recommend it?
@BalkanOdyssey_
@BalkanOdyssey_ 2 ай бұрын
Hm I haven't read that one but I'll check it out myself too
@ladaprchal5471
@ladaprchal5471 2 ай бұрын
JFC, noup... there is a reason why all countries in eastern block were undeveloped backward halls with terrible economic and ecologic debt... jeees what are you even trying to say? :D
@looiyuanjieyuanjie1451
@looiyuanjieyuanjie1451 2 ай бұрын
hey balkan odyssey, a youtuber by the name of lavader started responding to you regarding your video about "everything you know about history is wrong". Please respond to him, he is a conservative by the way.
@kosmicheskiprah
@kosmicheskiprah 2 ай бұрын
VERY very good Balkan bratko. Thank you very much for exposing the real truth, factology and exhaustive energy based on details. P.S. Nice sexy voice :D Greetings from Bulgaria.
@BalkanOdyssey_
@BalkanOdyssey_ 2 ай бұрын
Lol thank you bratko
@NikolayNikoloff
@NikolayNikoloff 2 ай бұрын
Lol, you're both morons batkovtzi 🤣
@franzupet4406
@franzupet4406 2 ай бұрын
Great work comerade! Can you make video about modern socialist planing and CYBERNETICS? Maby conect with Cibcom it would be nice to make video about that together with other chanels to make left rethink planing and understand its enormous capabilities. Specialy with moderen computers and networks we have now. I am student of electrical engineering and I would be happy to help! Zdravo iz Slovenije :)
@blakk6lass
@blakk6lass 2 ай бұрын
it’s almost like being able to actually harness the power of your work force by making them willing to work brings homeless rates down and brings economic growth
@bigboyman5743
@bigboyman5743 2 ай бұрын
my man straight up cooking 🍳
@BalkanOdyssey_
@BalkanOdyssey_ 2 ай бұрын
Tsssss
@Pabloto-dq3sx
@Pabloto-dq3sx 2 ай бұрын
Full course meal, god damn!
@Mangoeplanter
@Mangoeplanter 2 ай бұрын
​@@Pabloto-dq3sxwhat meal?
@Pabloto-dq3sx
@Pabloto-dq3sx 2 ай бұрын
@@Mangoeplanter the one Balkan odyssey cooked, of course!
@tealover1836
@tealover1836 Ай бұрын
And he burned the food
@vivalaleta
@vivalaleta 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for posting this. True Communism is all workers owning their work. No CEOs and no shareholders.
@jakovjkeldi3286
@jakovjkeldi3286 2 ай бұрын
Are you Serbian Mapping?
@fedupN
@fedupN 2 ай бұрын
Bravo!
@apersonfromthebalkans1105
@apersonfromthebalkans1105 2 ай бұрын
Socialism in Yugoslavia after 1948 was one thing. Another thing was the brutal doctrine forced by the Soviets on the rest of Eastern Europe. Maybe it had worked in a serfdom society like the Russians. But for the much more developed nations in Eastern Europe and the Balkans it was a disaster.
@uxydra6403
@uxydra6403 Ай бұрын
This 100%. You can't deny how much the USSR helped it's states, but a lot of these vassal states didn't gain nearly as much from it.
@cygnos6201
@cygnos6201 Ай бұрын
Yeah, that was also addressed in the video. With instead of building their own socialist system, they dogmatically replicated the soviet union.
@ZachariasEnislidis
@ZachariasEnislidis 2 ай бұрын
Since the fall of communism, people from those countries migrated. For example, Yugoslavs, Albanians, Georgians etc. they did not migrate to Kazakstan (the last soviet state), they migrated to "western" nowdays eu countries with a capitalist financial system. The question is, why? Let me place another question why communism collapsed in the first place?
@caim3465
@caim3465 2 ай бұрын
Well... I like communism's goal of stateless society, but I think their methods are counter-productive. This is why I am not a communist.
@munaali840
@munaali840 2 ай бұрын
how many times does capitalism collapse?
@Mangoeplanter
@Mangoeplanter 2 ай бұрын
​@@munaali840like never?
@username88094
@username88094 2 ай бұрын
@@Mangoeplanter2008 recession, the Great Depression (hilariously the USSR was the only one not affected), the 1970 economic inflation just to make a few
@qwerty-tv9wc
@qwerty-tv9wc 2 ай бұрын
​@@username88094bro serioudly thinks we dont live in capitalism anymore 💀💀
@alxsblv6164
@alxsblv6164 2 ай бұрын
I cant even imagine shit-storm in the comment section!
@elpsykoongro5379
@elpsykoongro5379 2 ай бұрын
what is a hive mind
@omeganichtdieuhrsondernder6906
@omeganichtdieuhrsondernder6906 2 ай бұрын
It is when Multiple People work or think the same like a Hive, at least to my knowledge, but your Comment is a day old so you probably have already looked it up or forgot about it.
@connornoel2138
@connornoel2138 2 ай бұрын
thank you. the idea that the caricature put forward by anticommunistis and neofascists (not to repeat myself) who somehow all have a grandfather who was murdered by the soviets is not supported by statistics or history isn't often stated. I wonder why their narratives take precedence over statistics and historical reality 🤔
@EmpiresEGG
@EmpiresEGG 2 ай бұрын
Have you ever lived a day under communism?
@icantaimpg3d776
@icantaimpg3d776 2 ай бұрын
Because most people are too ignorant and uncritical to even want to find the truth, they just want easy and short answers even if the mass majority of them are lies or aren’t accurate.
@Russkiman96
@Russkiman96 2 ай бұрын
Its like reviews on McDonald's or something a 100 people go in and have a decent experience. 1 person will have a bad experience and write about it and tell everyone how awful that location is and that it needs to be shut down and be all vocal about it while the other 99 will just go on about their business. Except in this case the democratic world supports the negative view and blows it out of proportion.
@letsplay2bros679
@letsplay2bros679 Ай бұрын
Someone disagreeing with me makes them a facist nazi
@TueLesPigeons
@TueLesPigeons 2 ай бұрын
Theory: Communism is based on utopian ideals that envisage a classless, stateless society where property is communally owned, and each person contributes and receives according to their abilities and needs. Reality: These conditions presuppose a level of altruism, uniformity in human desires and needs, and an absence of power struggles, which historically, have not been sustainable or realistic. Future generations should be aware that no society has successfully eliminated personal self-interest and the power dynamics inherent in human interactions, which critically challenges the practical implementation of communism. Theory: The communist theory advocates for the elimination of private property to prevent wealth accumulation and class divisions. Reality: This lack of private ownership stifles innovation, reduce economic efficiency, and remove incentives that drive personal and collective economic advancement. It's crucial to explain how economic freedom underpins many other types of freedom, including the ability to choose one’s path in life, which can be severely restricted under communist systems. Past attempts to implement communism have always required coercive measures to maintain the regime and suppress dissent, such as in the Soviet Union, Maoist China, and North Korea. These include forced collectivization, re-education camps, purges, and severe restrictions on personal and political freedoms. History should serve as a cautionary tale -not as a dismissal of the ideology's intended moral goals but as a pragmatic recognition of its repeated negative outcomes. It’s worthwhile to explore how the positive aspects of any ideology can be adapted to address modern challenges without resorting to extremes. For instance, ideas about community support and social safety nets have been integrated into many democratic societies successfully without needing to resort to full collectivization or loss of personal freedoms. We should be aware of risks related to the allure of seemingly simple solutions to complex social issues.
@I_dont_want_an_at
@I_dont_want_an_at Ай бұрын
good stuff
@scarrow1304
@scarrow1304 Ай бұрын
56:45 the Czar, great vid
@corneliucor6903
@corneliucor6903 2 ай бұрын
You can simply compare GDR with West Germany in '89, the Trabi ( you had to wait 15 years for your new Trabi; with the VW, BMW...the west many more cars, and the fact that everyone was trying to escape the east, and you 'll have the answer on how succesful communism was.
@cygnos6201
@cygnos6201 Ай бұрын
You're comment is too intellectually lazy. Ignoring conditions like that the GDR had no economic centers, except Berlin, of which they only got half, while West Germany with the Rhineland, which was one of the first places to industrialise, and better access to the global economy. Also West Germany relied for 30 years at least on the coal and steel from the "Ruhrpott" and the Marshall-plan, which was a lot Harder for the GDR. The Trabant was a pretty fine car, and the reason you had to wait 15 years was because of the second oil crisis hitting East Germany real hard. But that didn't even matter, because they developed public transport, which made it that nobody even needed a car in the first place. Very different in West Germany, where with stuff like the privatisation of the "Bundesbahn" to the modern "Deutsche Bahn" has seen massive stagnation. There is far more to say, but comparin two countries, when one is 3 times smaller, is bullshit.
@corneliucor6903
@corneliucor6903 Ай бұрын
@@cygnos6201 you have written so much but still you did not mention the most important stuff: that West Germany benefited from the American Marshall Plan, while the East Germans had to see how their factories were disassembled and moved to USSR. Also the gap between West and East Europe grew over the decades because Communism is a fail from the economic point of view ( I can tell you alot about that, but you can just consider the economic colapse of the Communist bloc in the 80s). Btw, the reason why you had to wait so much to buy a new car, not only for the poor Trabant was because the Communist industry was never capable to produce enough goods to satisfy the demand, as the economy was planned not a market economy, based on the market's needs.
@cygnos6201
@cygnos6201 Ай бұрын
@@corneliucor6903 This is bs. Yes the Soviet Union did export industry, but the effect of it is heavily overstated, and it also died down, till the creation of the GDR, when it was absolutely abolished. This is always pushed, to fit the narrative of the soviet union being a "coloniser" of eastern europe. No the gap between east and west Europe didn't widen? Also first off eastern Europe long was behind western Europe. Comparing them already is stupid. "Aufschwung Ost" was still a thing. Also western Europe litterally had colonies till the 90's. Brother western Europe started out with triple the xp, money and manpower and then you think that's proof that capitalism is successfull, when they win? Also please don't cite me Mises or Hayek, with the ECP. It's a bloody meme at this point. Btw. have you forgotten Perestroika? Where they made an effort to liberalise the economy? Which nuked the planned economy and didn't do shit to improve anything. The reason why you had to wait so long was already as I said the second oil crisis. The hell are you saying? Before the oil crisis you could by a Trabant in the east like a BMW in the west. What you're saying about the planned economy never being able to produce to satisfy the demand is also just flat out wrong. It had the same or better margin for error than the market. Even at a time when the calculation was done by hand. And statistics also showed that the deviation from perfect prices, by neo-classical standards, were the same in both west and east Germany. What privatisation and giving market power does, I again point you to the German national companies "Bundesbahn" and "Bundespost", which were privatised and today any German will tell you, that the two new companies "Deutsche Bahn" and "DHL" suck ass. Also, If the market is so much more successfull than the planned economies, why did no planned economy crash ever(without like a war or some external influence obviously", while market economies crash all 7 to 10 years? Is that to satisfy the demand?
@corneliucor6903
@corneliucor6903 Ай бұрын
@@cygnos6201 you must have invested some time in writing all this, so I will try to keep up.😀 You really want to prove the superiority of communism, ispite of all evidence. The Eastern part of Germany was not poorer than West Germany before WW2. Taking exactly this case, there was no gap between the West and the East before communism came with the Russian tanks in the East. What happened after that was that the Americans founded the reconstruction of Europe(Marshall Plan), realizing the benefit on the long term, while USSR treated the countries in the east like colonies, brutally crashing any atempt of suveranity: Budapest 1956, Prague 1968, Gdansk 1979..At the same time, the communist industry was not competitive, it did not have to, because it was underdelivering. This is why a Trabant from '89 looked exactly the same like one from '65. There was no need to change, to inovate as the outdated car would sell anyway. As a conclusion, communism was a failed system. It collapsed when the Berlin Wall collapsed, it was more like a prison imposed by the Soviets.
@cygnos6201
@cygnos6201 Ай бұрын
@@corneliucor6903 I never stated that east Germany was poorer prior to the war. But it was developed that's a fact. The major industry was where all the steel and coal was produced, in the Rhineland. And that was in the west. East Germany all the way to Königsberg was more developed than Poland for example, but it wasn't as developed than the Rhineland. This division goes all the way back to Charlemagne. My comment was directed at the division of eastern and western europe and there sure as hell was a division. This seems strange to me that you disregard that. While western europe could exploit other nations in Africa, South America and Asia, eastern europe could never do that. And western europe industrialised almost a century before eastern europe and Russia first even industrialised with Stalin. Btw. if we use the highly disregarded GDP, then we can see that they started out like all developing economies in Asia and Africa and then with socialism climbed to the second palace. Like quoted in the video "We are 50-100 years behind the developed nations. We have to make up for that in 10 or they will crush us" -Stalin. Also you're ignoring the russian civil war, the collapse of the austrian empire or the whole ass second world war. To this day hundreds of people a year die, because of mines left in the forests from the Soviets. Basically all cities from Berlin to Leningrad were left in ruins, and not by bombing campaigns like on the west front, but by actual infantery fighting. The soviet union had lost 28 million people in that war and then you suddenly expect them to suddenly to do better, while western countries were pumped with money? This is idealism. You ignore all material conditions next to the system that could've influenced their demise. And Just so we're clear: They recovered from the worst war in history, while being politically isolated with eastern Europe, while going into the cold war, and having had lost lot's of good people. And they became the biggest contrahent of the world hegemon. And there are so much things like defeat of homelessness and illiteracy. That sounds like pretty damn successfull. Maybe they didn't provide something like a marshall plan, because the country was in shambles, while the USA was basically untouched? I already knew this narrative was coming that the Soviet Union was a "coloniser". While I personally am against the soviet interventions in Hungary and Czechoslovakia, you are out of your mind to claim that it was like treatment of colonies, completely disregarding the geopolitical effects a weaker Warsaw pact would've carried. (I've also seen the strange fingerprints of CIA intellegencia, though it's hard to say how much they were actually involved, so I'll Just let it sit here, till I'm done with my research on that topic) Also btw., the soviet union never attacked Albania, when they quit the Warsaw pact. And then you gotta remember the interventions the USA did and does to this day. Like using IWF world bank loans to keep developing nations on their side. When Chile became socialist, they for example removed all loans and the economy stagnated. Though they needed Pinochet to fully finish them off. Or sanctions, like the sanction regime on Iraq since the first gulf war till the Iraq war, as Sadam Hussein was acting against US interests in the middle east. These sanctions were so bad, that to many, like myself they constituted a genocide. I don't want to endulge in Tu qouque fallacies, but this shows how the USA did themselves act like "colonisers" (Phillipines and Liberia :/ ), and did that even in strong countries like France for example. Because atleast to me this text throbbs, from the "We good, they bad"-narrative. Because we did a lot worse, and even soviet interventions in Hungary (also didn't the highest soviet decide against Breshnews will of a diplomatic solution to crush the hungarians? Democracy I guess ;))and Czechoslovakia were to prevent them from being at a geopolitical disadvantage to not get destroyed with the Cold War. Well what do you mean competitive? It tried to make good products and such regardless if they would be competitive on the market. And no, not everything that is competive on a market stage is actually good. Or then why do successfull businesses need ads and such? I'm no car guy, so I won't tell you like I'm an expert on that subject, that much what changed in the different versions of the Trabant. But from my knowledge as I already stated a car first off was not needed, unlike in countries with a car culture like Mexico or the US, as they made public transport a far more viable solution. And using that is also just no good evidence, as it's a single account. Studies are far better for showing collectively on a nation or even transnational scale, what lacked. But I've yet to see a study that actually proves that socialist output was far worse than capitalist output. For example Shirley Ceresetos' and Howard Waitzkins' study on the physical quality of life concluded that socialist countries were better than capitalist countries of similar development, to be better in all measured regards. I lack such a study in your argument. And as we already are using evidence in single accounts, have you ever heard of "Superfest"? East Germany developed a glass that was expected to be 5 times stronger than normal glass, but it was a mere 50 times stronger. Basically unbreakable. They thought they could sell it in the west, as an east German product. But when they showed it salesmen, while they were certainly impressed, they were asked, why they should buy a glass that does not break. As when a glass breaks, they are the ones, who can sell another and make more profit. The east german unbreakable Glass, while a neat idea, it was too developed for the profit oriented west markets. To this day in east german bars, you can find "Superfest", while in the west not so much. There always was a need to innovate, just that capitalism won't allow it, If it isn't profitable. And profitable, doesn't mean it's good. And while capitalism exists, when you drop a glass, it will break. Capitalism has failed us in so many ways, that we can't even imagine and have this confined thinking that "communism has failed everytime it's been tried", stops us from examining capitalism, as a failed idea. Good day, sir.
@Santa-cv4vu
@Santa-cv4vu 2 ай бұрын
Hey Oddysey, Balkan neighbour here I have heard many stories from socialist times about: Theft at workplace Lazy workers not doing their job, because payment was guranteed. The lazy,stealing and unprogressive ones benefitted, while smart, honest and hard working were not stimulated😅 I think this can be really demoralizing for someone who wants to work hard and honestly. Truth is most human beings aren't moral at all and you cannot expect from them to care about anything else further from their egoistic needs..
@JmKrokY
@JmKrokY 2 ай бұрын
True
@franzupet4406
@franzupet4406 2 ай бұрын
I is more fun to steel from job in capitalism :D
@franzupet4406
@franzupet4406 2 ай бұрын
You know we have successful companies in Slovenia during Yugoslav times. ISKRA, GORENJE, TAM, TOMOS, ECT. After system change all companies were privatised and sold for cheap to forenes or stopped operating. We had industy and it was strong, inovative and most importantly we were proud of it. Now we have crumbling remains and bulshit jobs. If someone take a bolt or nut and work 1h less is still much better than having nothing or having class of people taking profit and distributing it to shareholders...
@JmKrokY
@JmKrokY 2 ай бұрын
@@franzupet4406 You don't hate Capitalism, you hate the bad corrupted transition from Socialism to Capitalism that occured. Not the same thing.
@euphoriaggaminghd
@euphoriaggaminghd 2 ай бұрын
Meanwhile bosnians albanians and macedonians all remember yugoslavia in far worse ways. As a guy from Kosovo, yugoslavia and socialism were the worst things to ever happen to us. We are very grateful we are free from that oppressive regime. Slovenes should be grateful they were privileged enough in that 'union'
@taboulefattouch4744
@taboulefattouch4744 2 ай бұрын
On a brilliantly sunny day in July 1951 David Rosenberg was sitting on his favourite bench in Gorky park in Moscow by the pond. A civil clothed KGB officer happened to be walking by and noticed David Rosenberg was reading a book in an unknown script. The KGB officer sat next to David on the same bench and in a confident tone said : "Comrade, what is this book you are reading!". David Rosenberg replied : "It is the Bible". The KGB officer asked : "What language is this Bible written in"? David replied : "It is Ivrit (Hebrew)". The KGB officer said : "What is Ivrit? I never heard of this language before"! David responded : "Ivrit is the language of Heaven". Upon hearing this the KGB officer burst into laughter and said :"and you are sure you are going to end up in Heaven"?... To which David responded : "I already speak Russian !".
@mauzekoni5196
@mauzekoni5196 2 ай бұрын
Love your videos! Great presentation and solid explanations for everything!
@omeganichtdieuhrsondernder6906
@omeganichtdieuhrsondernder6906 2 ай бұрын
Balkan Oyssey I know Turkey and Amrenia aren't your field, but I would love a Video on the Armenian Genocide or just Armenia and Turkey in the Moden Day, but Yeah Love your Videos.
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