Community's Puppet Episode: What Went Wrong
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Timestamps:
0:00 Introduction
1:17 The recap
3:49 The good
5:26 The bad
6:36 The tangent
7:59 The comparisons
10:56 The autopsy
16:55 The end
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"Intro to Felt Surrogacy" is a Season Four episode of Community in which Dean Pelton prompts the study group to use puppets to relive the traumatic events of a recent adventure. From Wikipedia, for SEO: Community is an American television sitcom created by Dan Harmon. The series ran for 110 episodes over six seasons, with its first five seasons airing on NBC from September 17, 2009, to April 17, 2014, and its final season airing on Yahoo! Screen from March 17 to June 2, 2015. Set at a community college in the fictional Colorado town of Greendale, the series stars an ensemble cast including Joel McHale, Gillian Jacobs, Danny Pudi, Yvette Nicole Brown, Alison Brie, Donald Glover, Ken Jeong, Chevy Chase, and Jim Rash. It makes use of meta-humor and pop culture references, paying homage to film and television clichés and tropes.
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CORRECTION: onscreen, the Hollywood.com quote is attributed to the DVD commentary instead of their online review. This is of course a mistake (thanks to Captain Kennedy for pointing it out!) but it's one I can't correct at this stage. Again, that quote is from Michael Arbeiter writing for hollywood.com - www.hollywood.com/tv/community-puppet-episode-intro-to-felt-surrogacy-59090718 Thanks again to all my Patreon and YT supporters who make these videos possible! If you’ve got a little spare Chang, join up yourself here: www.patreon.com/pillarofgarbage
@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 4 ай бұрын
I've said it before and I'll say it again, season 4 feels like a fan fiction. It's not inherently bad, and you can tell the people who made it were community fans, but it's just missing something. "What if we did Abed's Uncontrollable Christmas but with puppets" really feels like something that a fanfiction writer starved for ideas would say.
@aodhan4398 4 ай бұрын
I think season 4 honestly has some amazing episodes. Cooperative escapism in familial relations is one of my favorite episodes of the whole series
@fredcamacho5333 4 ай бұрын
It felt like someone was doing a bad Dan Harmon impression, or if another show tried to rip off community and pulled puppets or if their asses.
@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 4 ай бұрын
@@aodhan4398 for me the only episodes I really enjoy on rewatch are the freaky friday one (cuz jim rash is so good) and somewhat the one where they tie up professor cornwallis, but overall I agree that it's not a bad season of a TV show, I just feel like it's a disappointing season of THIS TV show.
@Ted_Curtis 4 ай бұрын
I feel like this episode could have had real potential if each puppet was played by a different member of the cast, allowing them to essentially act out these exaggerated versions of each other and vent about their misgivings, as a meta critique on flanderisation. The puppets are already caricatures of the actors, as you said, it makes sense to push that idea futher by having them be played as these flanderised versions of themselves through the eyes of their friends. That way the plot of them going on this over-the-top cartoony adventure is just another aspect of this flanderisation, taking their usual zany antics and dialling it up to eleven. It could be a cool way for the show and the cast to examine itself and see how much its changed from its roots as a grounded show about a community college, and the expectation that they have to go bigger and zanier with each season.
@PillarofGarbage 4 ай бұрын
That’s a great example of the way ‘Community Puppet Episode’ as an idea could have been punched up into something more! …shame it didn’t happen here!
@debrachambers1304 4 ай бұрын
This season kept undermining Annie being an overachiever. As Abed and Dan Harmon have said, the core thing about Annie that will never change is that she'll always be "driven". But in this season, she misses a test in the episode with the Germans and then doesn't freak out about it at all, offers a sexual favor for the answers to the test in a COMMUNITY COLLEGE INTRODUCTORY HISTORY CLASS (and not even a GOOD community college), and then can't even be the valedictorian at a SHITTY COMMUNITY COLLEGE. Just let the characters have their strengths.
@enbybunny9940 3 ай бұрын
To be fair, the reason she wasn’t getting Valedictorian was for an ultimately very Greendale reason, not because of any of her fault Leonard…
@debrachambers1304 3 ай бұрын
@@enbybunny9940 Also Shirley, though. My head cannon is that it's because of the "minuses are made up" thing from season 5.
@Andyatl2002 3 ай бұрын
I’d think the professor was using his position of power to screw her over before Annie fails on a test
@maxfieldjoyner5244 4 ай бұрын
Honestly as bad as this episode is, I do think it has its moments. Chang’s puppet saying “he’s not what he seems” as Chang leaves the room towards the start of the episode, Troy closing the mouth of his puppet with his free hand, and Chang puppet in the balloon takeoff part using a Chang puppet to emote were especially funny.
@astrochiken 3 ай бұрын
My favorite line from the season is Troy wondering where Professor Duncan went.
@cog592 2 ай бұрын
My favorite part is when Troy sings he was the one that started the fire of '03
@hada__02 3 ай бұрын
This episode also has Jeff’s worst hair in the entire series
@MatthewStevensOrMattDave 4 ай бұрын
An easy thematic through line would have been to make it about the vices that control us. It's a puppet show, talking about who or what our puppeteers are is kind of a no-brainer, at least to me. Maybe the group goes on a camping trip and end up stepping on each other's toes, come home miserable and the Dean suggests they hash it out with puppets. The ending could be the gang talking to their own puppets, maybe Jeff apologizes to his puppet self for being his own self-sabotage, Britta apologizes to her puppet for the social justice grandstanding she does due to her own insecurities, that kind of thing.
@WlatPziupp 4 ай бұрын
That would really bring the episode home. Using the puppets to (just like the dean intended) have the group reflect on themselves together by infusing the puppets with their own personalities and looking at their disastrous trip with some distance. With them, in a sense, watching the puppets just like we are and providing commentary now and then. Making use of the therapy puppet premise to have everyone tell parts of the story from their own perspective, with the gang interrupting some times and the dean being actually competent by insisting we let the story conclude before making comments or judgements
@skibot9974 4 ай бұрын
Season 4 was definitely the weakest overall season but I honestly think it had the best moment in the entire show: Jeff calling out his father in “Cooperative Escapism in Familial Relations”. That monologue is burned into my and had the best acting I’ve ever seen from Joel McHale.
@PillarofGarbage 3 ай бұрын
Right, season 4 did have a few high points & I’ll agree that’s one of them
@RobertJW 3 ай бұрын
When I think of Jeff dealing with his issues with his father, I always think of him killing Pierce's dad.
@jordansweet8054 3 ай бұрын
As someone who loves Shawshank Redemption I really appreciate it.
@cog592 2 ай бұрын
You should watch his acting in The Bear
@catlawyerwilldefendfortrea6038 3 ай бұрын
Puppets would have been a great way to explore themes of control, or false presentation of self, toxic positiveness or even something like needing to keep things kid friendly to appease everyone
@dr.braxygilkeycruises1460 3 ай бұрын
I am a massive Muppets fan, so I understand why YNB loved the *_concept_* of this episode. But the episode itself sucked. It felt like an *idiot* won a contest to write a fan fiction episode of Community. There is surface Fandom, but no heart. The one episode from *The Gas Leak Year* that I LOVE was the *Freaky Friday* episode. It fits the Community formula perfectly. But that's because *it was written by Jim Rash.* Anyhoo, great video as always!!!
@GalvatronRodimus 3 ай бұрын
I only just noticed the Abed puppet is the only one with eye movement.
@ThatsJustLikeYourOpinionMan 4 ай бұрын
Haha, this was always in my top 5 favorite episodes. It's wild to know Evette Nicole Brown agrees with me. Perhaps there are dozens of us out there. Dozens!
@lindayachbes8452 2 ай бұрын
My number 1 favorite
@achristiananarchist2509 4 ай бұрын
I think a great example of how the gimmick always followed the story they were trying to tell is Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, which I am positive would have been a high concept gimmick episode where everyone becomes their characters if it was made in season 4, but instead captured what it's like to actually *play* dungeons and dragons and let you feel what Niel felt instead of telling the story through his character with no thematic reason to do so.
@ZachBobBob 3 ай бұрын
This is the best episode imo and it's not even streaming anymore 🙄
@nallainductions 4 ай бұрын
I remember watching this when it aired and feeling like it was the worst episode. Not because it was particularly the worst, though it is bad, but because I felt that COMMUNITY had hit the point where it would never be good again. The puppet episode was the shows attempt to again try and do the high-concept creative ideas Harmon was great at, without disastrous results. Much like with The Hunger Deans season premiere episode, these creatives failed to understand what made these kind of high-concept episodes great. It’s not just about saying “Hey, let’s do a musical episode” or “Hey, let’s do an episode where they are all in Claymation” there has to be thought about how the characters and storylines fit into that narrative. As for this episode, the singing really annoyed me because it never came out clear; like when Troy is admitting that he burned some field acres, or something, and you can’t make it out. Crazy that Adam Levine wrote the songs. Also, the gang revealing all of their horrible secrets because they wanted to make Sherley feel better feels really out of character for all of them; at least in the way the show wrote this. Really, season four only has two good episodes; the “Herstory of Dance” and “Basic Human Anatomy.” I’ll also throw in half the Thanksgiving episode where Troy, Abed, and Annie are stuck at Sherley’s house. Thankfully, Harmon comes back for season five, and while the show never reaches the heights of the first three seasons, the show does still produce great episodes in the ladder two seasons.
@landonfleury 4 ай бұрын
Funnily enough, this was actually the first episode of Community I ever saw and was the one that made me want to watch through the show, since I could tell it was different from your run-of-the-mill sitcom. Obviously, I can see in hindsight that it's far from the best episode of the show, but I have a soft spot for the episode just for that reason.
@tesscantarticulate 4 ай бұрын
Cant believe a movie seems to actually be happening
@jordansweet8054 3 ай бұрын
I defend this episode a great deal. The puppets look really cool, the medium change felt refreshing in a rough season, the songs are catchy and the final song always gets me. And the Dean is still hilarious. I adore your videos all the same. Now to the compilation!
@dylandwhat 3 ай бұрын
one thing that makes me laugh about this epsiode is that there’s many anti-glee (the show) references in the first couple seasons, and then glee has a similar plot to this episode released seven months after with puppets who sing! in a gas leak! and the puppets sing what does the fox say, which isn’t relevant but still deserves to be mentioned
@notsure2101 4 ай бұрын
6 seasons and a movie!
@TroyTheObtuse 4 ай бұрын
This episode is how I found out about Harmon's firing. Season 4 had already been misfiring, and when I saw this bottom-scraping moment, I asked myself "What has happened to this show?!" and googled it.
@garrettwhite5943 4 ай бұрын
I get why it's hated but there are enough cute bits and catchy numbers that I can't 'hate' it. I don't 'like' it, but I don't hate it. I could be straightforward about my feelings about this show but my feelings on it are complicated. Twisted, warped, wrapped back amongst themselves that it's so hard to find an actual endpoint trying to discuss it... I'm gonna try to explain them in a way that's not TOO hard to follow but... It's gonna be a maze.
@mariannedarrow7227 3 ай бұрын
Yeah I feel the same.
@TSDTalks22 4 ай бұрын
glad the only community epsiode in Pillar of Garbage's "what the fuck" tier got its own video.
@TwinKids3895 3 ай бұрын
Did he make a tier list video?
@TSDTalks22 3 ай бұрын
@@TwinKids3895 no he shared it a while back in the discord server tho
@kikiw3959 4 ай бұрын
Great video, I don't know if it's my exact bottom pick but it is down there. As much as I've rewatched other episodes or shown them to people this one was never even considered for each of those options. I didn't know why I didn't like it that much until this video, you explained it so well and now I actually know why I don't like it.
@lotusmaglite 3 ай бұрын
Shirley leaving her kids - who appeared in, what, 2 episodes ever - at the store because she thought she saw her ex - who cheated on her in the past - with another women; that's entirely consistent with her character. Shirley has significant anger issues, and has flown off the handle multiple times, losing sight of everything in a single-minded pursuit of vengeance. It's not a stretch to think she got so angry at her ex she followed them out of town before she cooled off enough to remember her boys. And Annie became a speed freak in high school, had a psychotic episode, smashed through a plate glass door, and required reconstructive surgery, all for the sake of her grades. But a foot rub is a bridge too far? It's not like she hasn't used her sexuality for gain before. Did I _want_ Annie to go there? No. But I believed it. Both of their confessions made more sense than Troy's, a character the S4 showrunners repeatedly demonstrated they neither understood nor particularly wanted (reasons 1-37 why the pairing of Troy and Britta in S4 didn't work).
@spookyspice596 3 ай бұрын
I actually don't hate this episode. I particularly like the moment where Jeff stands up for Shirley before everyone reveals their secrets.
@joshgibbons-eyre8697 4 ай бұрын
I had no idea Sara Bareilles was in this one! That's a pretty nice homage to one of the best episodes of the show.
@PillarofGarbage 3 ай бұрын
_something always brings me back to you…_
@caricaturesbydon 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely agree! And I think the gimmick not supporting the story is further evident in the fact that the puppets that play out the story aren't even the same ones we see in the characters' reality.
@jonathanpatch5281 3 ай бұрын
I mean...no...have to disagree with this point. You realize that it would have been much easier from a production standpoint to reuse the same puppets, right? They went to the trouble of making an entirely different set of puppets for the framing scenes and you're chalking that up to...some kind of oversight or mistake? No, separating the "fake" puppets from the "real" puppets was the right move.
@caricaturesbydon 3 ай бұрын
@@jonathanpatch5281 No, clearly, it was intentional. That was never what I was saying. I just mean it makes the central conceit of the episode more confusing. There doesn't appear to be any reason the puppets in the flashback story are different from the ones they're using in the framing scenes. If the whole concept is that the human characters are using handmade puppets as a therapy tool to talk about the incident, why not make those handmade puppets the ones acting out the story?
@soltandvinegar 4 ай бұрын
I’m not a fan of this episode in the least… but ngl I LOVE the designs of the puppets.
@mariannedarrow7227 3 ай бұрын
I agree! They are great puppets!
@tecpaocelotl 4 ай бұрын
It was cute, but you can tell Chevy Chase wasn't there.
@Mlow44 4 ай бұрын
Personally this wasn't a problem for me. I don't really care how "important" Pierce was to the show, I always found him insufferable and the worst part of any given episode. One of the points I find in favor of the late seasons is that Pierce is dead.
@shenanikenz 3 ай бұрын
I love this video, thank you! Just to add some perspective tho, this episode really presents the “group trip” with justice lol only those who’ve been there will understand.
@lindayachbes8452 2 ай бұрын
This is my number 1 favorite episode! Love the songs
@jonathanpatch5281 4 ай бұрын
Good timing! Since Community has been on Netflix I've watched a couple episodes a week and pick up at the beginning once I'm done. And right now I'm smack dab in the middle of this episode (perhaps because I couldn't quite make it through all in one sitting). I have some thoughts: 1. I didn't hate this episode when it first aired. As you point out, the puppetry is really well done, both in design and execution, the music is halfway decent, and there's a few laughs. Other than the business with Chevy, everything wrong with this episode is right there in the script. 2. ...which is really where the Dan Harmon sized hole in Season 4 becomes acutely apparent. I have no desire to worship Dan Harmon, and I was eager to give "the new guys" a chance. I admired that they came in hot on Season 4 with a laugh track; I thought it was a gutsy way to acknowledge the elephant in the room and generate some laughs from it. I liked the Halloween episode and even the Dr. Spacetime convention. The Thanksgiving episode gave me my first real queasy feeling about Harmon's absence. 3. On my first Netflix rewatch (before delving at all into the "online consensus" about any of this stuff), I had to admit that for all its enjoyable aspects, the actual script for this episode was extremely thin. It was seriously crying out for an obsessive control freak to do a rewrite or three. And you nailed the particulars of why pretty well. 4. Anyone who argues that the Iliad is the "high water mark" of Western literature is out of their goddamned mind. 5. Basic Human Anatomy is in fact an all-timer.
@hosaepalvin9795 4 ай бұрын
i swear the episode for the camping puppet trip was taken from a reddit comment on the community sub before season 4 was out. the thread was asking what peoples idea for the movie would be, and i remember reading a comment that said their idea for the movie would start with everybody being awkward, then through flashback we'd see the reasons why everything is awkward. the puppet aspect was not apart of the commenters idea tho. anyway, season 4 sucks. not bad but i feel as if im watching any other show when i watch it.
@agent95_ 3 ай бұрын
I am part of the fan base and I like this episode and it’s not because of the puppets it’s simply because that it shows more Shirley’s character as a character we see that she’s not perfect as we’ve seen multiple times throughout the shows history. However, this time we learn that she’s not perfect in an area where everybody just assumed she was perfect. And the sad part is everybody paid more attention to what was happening in the episode, rather than the journey that Shirley was currently on and dealing with
@NoorAhmed-nk2jq 3 ай бұрын
I kind of love this episode, when I first watched it I had no idea it is considered the worst episode by the fandom, I do see the flaws in it, but it's really fun and has great energy, I can dismiss some of the absurd element as it's not exactly what happened but a fictionalized version, like for example we know the discussion about what to do didn't happen as a song so maybe the suggestion of the balloon was more organic than what we see, that sort of thing.
@saeedrazavi4428 3 ай бұрын
Heck yeah!!! I love PoG Community videos!!!
@quasarulas3968 3 ай бұрын
I’m terms of bad gimmick episodes I feel anytime we enter a completely abed generated version of reality things become kinda forced or something in a somewhat trying way. I’m talking about the complete visual language change overs not the conceptual episodes such as the lava world (which was great). Abed was my favourite character for generating comedy and delivering impeccable monologues but some of his abilities as a writing tool got pushed a little far and brought out the unlikable side of the character in sometimes unintentional ways
@ThePete1081 3 ай бұрын
Art Vandelay reference. Nice
@charleslarrivee2908 4 ай бұрын
To this day, this episode is the only one I've never seen more than five minutes of (the first time I watched the show, I got five minutes into this one, skipped ahead to the next episode, and never looked back). I just knew in my heart of hearts that this was going to be awful.
@SmartSmears 4 ай бұрын
Ive always been in extremw denial about this episode's provlems because of the stuff I like but i do havr to admit its weaknesses. The secrets themselves did feel like the weakest of this kind of episode and you said it right about how some are placeholder and some are super out of character. That being said i do think that the secret reveals have always not had enough weight, i feel like Abed tracking the time of the month of the women and Elroy making secret 3D models of the women would have been much bigger deals if things didnt have to resolve at the end of the episode. That being said, the discussion on revealing info was given proper time in the other episodes, an episode about revealing secrets that isnt interested in makijg the reveals feel substantial and in character is an inherent failure even if the other stuff works
@nathanyou1899 3 ай бұрын
If you want a better example of an episode that uses puppets for both fun and as a means of exploring it's characters watch Angel's Smile Time.
@bazzfromthebackground3696 4 ай бұрын
I have managed to still never have seen an episode of this show.
@connorcmusician 3 ай бұрын
the cold open for this episode is brilliant and then the rest is pretty bad lol
@dylantyrrell9084 3 ай бұрын
This episode is towards the top of season 4
@homewood4702 Ай бұрын
I love the greendale fire joke
@quasarulas3968 3 ай бұрын
I always thought this episode made no sense lol didn’t know it was so reviled
@user-tt2ye8fv3m 3 ай бұрын
Economics of marine biology was a great episode
@jordansweet8054 3 ай бұрын
I've always appreciated it and thought it was a good use of the Pierce/Jeff dynamic and Abed's fake frat was hilarious.
@lacrartezorok4975 3 ай бұрын
I've thought they did this episode with puppets so they could have Pierce in the story without needing to have Chevy Chase in the same room with the rest of the cast.
@SIZModig 4 ай бұрын
Yvette could just enjoy having worked with puppets, I know for a fact that I would.
@marocat4749 4 ай бұрын
The puppets are amazing. Ther should be a way better or at least fitting theme going crazy with puppets, like the dean well intented forcing them on a group therapy, but it just reinforces why they are such a good group, while the dean is a crazy kinda GM , and do slowly begrugredly but then open up and have fun?
@vexorian 3 ай бұрын
I think people that call this one the worst episode just haven't watched or don't remember the grifting class episode. Not like I blame them cause that episode is ridiculously forgettable. There's also the "let's make a sci fi movie so that we can sell the Chang scenes" which has some parts that are actually a slog to watch. But it honestly feels like it was intentionally bad? And the final winger speech by Abed is so precious. But the lows of that episode are really low. Muppets is pretty bad, I think though that the worst part is the confessions themselves, some of them are really out of character for no good reason. It kind of ruins Annie and Shirley a bit when you are not actively choosing to ignore it. But I'd say the grifting episode is a far bigger crime because how do you even manage to make a forgetable community episode!?
@PillarofGarbage 3 ай бұрын
Season 6 slander will not be tolerated 🚨
@vexorian 3 ай бұрын
@@PillarofGarbage I love season 6. but these episodes are simply not the strongest.
@bulbakingdoot3514 4 ай бұрын
Great video
@notsure2101 4 ай бұрын
Keep up the good work
@dogbreathTK 3 ай бұрын
very well said
@leephillips4402 2 ай бұрын
Well if Todd in the Shadows is one of the people who hates this episode, that explains it.
@sanityisrelative 3 ай бұрын
I always think this episode is bad while I'm watching it but then i always forget it even exists until I'm refined of it.
@ZachBobBob 3 ай бұрын
God I CANNOT STAND this episode. I hate it so so much. I've rewatched the show a bunch of times but never gone back to this one. I don't even like the songs, I find them embarassing.
@archangel1of7 4 ай бұрын
I like the music. Especially both the opening and the final songs. The first one is very catchy and the last one is just pretty despite the subject matter.
@corbinowens2437 4 ай бұрын
Haven’t watched it yet, so maybe you’ll change my mind, but I love this episode! Give me musical #s any day!
@nsbathome 4 ай бұрын
I don't think it's that bad, although it's certainly not great. Hell, I think the episode that "connects" the study group through a ton of coincidences and especially the Season 4 paintball episode were way worse.
@ThePonderer 4 ай бұрын
Huh, I was just thinkin about this episode.
@dg4935 3 ай бұрын
That first song is pretty catchy tho
@SuperiorStudios 4 ай бұрын
Shiiii loved this episode and the song but I’ll hear it out
@gewitterhund3164 4 ай бұрын
Did the 313th like. Which is the number on Donald Duck's license plate. Just saying. For the case you didn't know.
@kevinalford 4 ай бұрын
It’s not my least favorite episode but I’m sure it’s in the bottom 5.
@fraac 3 ай бұрын
there are season 4 episodes i haven't seen. i certainly never rewatch them.
@arbitarious 4 ай бұрын
I haven’t watched the show yet
@Mat-oh3xe 4 ай бұрын
What are your thoughts on the Shirly character? I feel she is the worst character in the group as she never shows any growth. By the end she is just as manipulative and intolerant of other's beliefs as she was in the beginning. She could have slowly dropped her passive agrassive fake nice attitude and became a real bad ass, but still religious and forgiving. I would have liked more of the "put a strippers head through a jukebox" and less of the "part of making secrafices for your friends is not accpecting them to sccrifice for you" type of Shirly.
@marocat4749 4 ай бұрын
She as only mom of the group is underused as well. I mean , she was not fdeveloped enough in general .
@mandalorianhunter1 4 ай бұрын
Did they really just try to pull a crank yankers?
@KelleyGreenEcstasy 4 ай бұрын
@14:23 I'm 95% sure that is Donald
@user-cv8qe9ru8c 3 ай бұрын
Its shirleys favorite episode and shes the one who easily didnt look the best by comparison.
@babygorilla4233 3 ай бұрын
They could of done it a bit more easily by having them crash and thinking they were stranded and would soon die they'd confess and maybe do shameful stuff? Then there traumatized at school dean calls... Whats his name umm john oliver in and HE has puppets made so the team can disassociate from there trauma. Now thats diffrently problematic.
@SibLight 4 ай бұрын
Personally, I dislike this episode because I like the muppets so much, and it just doesn't do them justice
@jussts 4 ай бұрын
That fucking puppet episode...
@dinam3236 3 ай бұрын
I love the Muppets and musical theatre, but I really didn't think this episode works. It's not my VERY least fave episode... that would be G.I. Jeff... but the problem with it is... there's no REASON for this ep to be a puppet episode. Usually the "gimmicky" episodes are specifically written for the gimmicky format. Abed’s Uncontrollable Christmas and Digital Estate Planning plain wouldn’t have worked as live-action. Even G.I. Jeff, much as I hate it, was at least specifically written to be a cartoon and poked fun at the trappings and limitations of an ’80s action cartoon. In this episode though...? Why are the characters puppets in this episode? No reason, except perhaps the musical numbers and the fact that the entire story is so STUPID that maybe it’s less embarrassing for the actors this way. This episode is too silly and shallow to take seriously, but not funny enough to laugh at. The puppet gimmick is not taken advantage of at all; it hinders rather than enhances the story. If there’s any one episode of Community you can safely skip and not miss anything, it’s this one.
@quasarulas3968 3 ай бұрын
I always felt the go gi Jeff and claymation Christmas episode were pretty weak and uninteresting. I didnt grow up with either of the sources though so maybe without nostalgia and missing some extra references I couldn’t appreciate them?
@leon46295 4 ай бұрын
This isnt episode 1 or any season 6 episode
@PillarofGarbage 3 ай бұрын
season six slander shall not be tolerated 🚨
@leon46295 3 ай бұрын
@PillarofGarbage it was empty and boring and i skip most of it on rewatches I REGRET NOTHIIIIIING MWUHAHA
@christophergarrett7082 3 ай бұрын
I always skip season 4 when I wanna rewatch episodes from community
@Thinkdeep420 4 ай бұрын
Abed did admit a secret then lied and said he didn't.
@samrobotsin 3 ай бұрын
A: they forgot to write jokes
@peyotebritta 3 ай бұрын
I found Heroic Origins far worse personally
@marocat4749 4 ай бұрын
It had moments, it just needed a reason. Like they can be frustrated with everything and worn out and down, because the last season sucked and they blame each, i dont know, just have them some shady reason why th edean comes in with puppet. And then be a terrible railroady DM with the puppets making it really zany. And that they open up a bit bonding through the crazyness with the dean as wellmeaning but crazy GM on a told puppet adventure he forces them in on a whim. I think that episode could be amazing, and even have songs, and use the puppets right. If they are in a bad mood everyone and blame each other and the dean forcing them on a puppet adventure , is fun. That could be a point, to remind them whyy they love each other, because they go threough the crazyness and ever
@cf3000 4 ай бұрын
it ain't that bad
@charliericker274 4 ай бұрын
The worst song by a master composer is still not that bad. Same goes for a show like this will an excellent cast and great writers. Dan Harmon wasn't around but everyone else was still the same people who made seasons 1-3. (For the most part)
@scottbrunton262 4 ай бұрын
I thought people liked economics of marine biology it’s one of the few episodes I rewatch from season 4
@SemiIocon 3 ай бұрын
I never got into the show, even though I was told it has great autistic rep. I just, I tried to watch the first few episodes a few times, it just didn't click for me. But if I ever try again, good to know what to avoid for sure, lol.
@babygorilla4233 3 ай бұрын
Pastish wee wee See in ze illiad by Homer! But yes it does feel like they were doing and then we were puppets and then....
@jessrl8025 3 ай бұрын
This is one of the episodes I always skip on rewatch. It has no bearing on the plot and it is just not a fun episode. Thank you for breaking down why it didn't work
@patrickmike2524 3 ай бұрын
Well constructed but I hate the look of these puppets
@DavidDumbedDown 4 ай бұрын
This video was uploaded at 16:20
@DavidDumbedDown 4 ай бұрын
17:16
@ethanlappin 3 ай бұрын
It's not my favourite but I don't mind this episode
@Bemused247 3 ай бұрын
This episode and the study group origins (“it’s all connected”) episode are the too worst episodes because they break the characters.
@SaltonGreen 3 ай бұрын
This is still better than the shmitty episode
@SaltonGreen 3 ай бұрын
@@jabrone.destoroyah the episode having meaningful stuff does not make it a pleasant watch. I will always skip the shmitty episode.
@franc5148 4 ай бұрын
0:10 qué hace Ibai en un video de estoa??😂😂😂
@barq6994 3 ай бұрын
I like the episode...it was a fav
@cg1906 3 ай бұрын
It was fun for sure
@JacobHolt106 3 ай бұрын
While it is one of the worst episodes of Community, it did not really do any long term damage to any of the characters or overall story, so I cannot say it is the worst episode
@Thomperfan 4 ай бұрын
You make a good case for why this episode doesn't work, and I applaud you for it. But personally, my least favorite episode has to be Competitive Ecology. Now I do get why people would like this episode, there are some good jokes, and a few iconic moments (What happened with Legos?, Offense Taken, etc.), I like Professor Kane, and Chang’s security guard subplot is good, all things considered, but the reason I have a particular dislike for this episode, is because I feel the main plot does a great disservice to the seven main characters that drew me to the show in the first place. I've talked about this episode with other Community fans, and some of them say that this episode was supposed to be an allegory for toxic codependent groups of people, and that's a valid way to view the episode, but I still can't find any enjoyment of this plotline, because the characters we’re following here aren’t the same seven dynamic, caring, somewhat crazy weirdos I once knew, they were strangers. Jerky strangers who seem to only say that they like each other, but never actually act on it, and torment anyone new they have to incorporate in their group. It's like whoever wrote this episode forgot what show they were writing for and wrote something that wouldn't be too out of place for It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia. And I think this should go without saying, but the Greendale Seven is NOT the gang of Paddy's Pub. Competive Ecology sucked the heart out of its characters, and that's why I really don't like it.
@iamme4494 4 ай бұрын
I thought this was a great episode, risky, unique and the jokes hit each time…
@1000jjwalker 4 ай бұрын
good vid but i do politely disagree
@PillarofGarbage 4 ай бұрын
More power to you 👊
@gligarguy4010 4 ай бұрын
I think I'd still rather watch this than GI Jeff
@MasterDoctorBenji 3 ай бұрын
The songs were jams tho
@Tuaron 4 ай бұрын
This is your pick for worst? I would definitely put "The Art of Discourse" or even "Comparative Religion" lower, and that's just looking at season 1. Definitely do agree it belongs near the bottom, but I didn't think it was that bad, just...not that good (though maybe the worst Dean costume and fantasy bit). Then again, I tend to have a less harsh opinion of the "Gas Leak Year" than some, and I might be a little more critical of Harmon's (particularly 2nd) era.
@PillarofGarbage 4 ай бұрын
I’m trying to imagine enjoying Comparative Religion less than Felt Surrogacy and the result is just a loud clanking sound & smoke pouring from my ears
@Tuaron 4 ай бұрын
@@PillarofGarbage I think it's my distaste for cringe humour, felt like those 2 really leaned into it and didn't do the best job of really bringing the heart or even as many laughs...though the "It's December 10th" line is pretty great.
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