Hi Dave, And I appreciate your comment! You are welcome for the review. If into premium entry level do watch this one which includes a couple more and test results: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l9CmiNqDv5uWZH0.html Marc

Hi Rob, Thanks for the comment and welcome to the US! Casa is a very nice machine in it's class.

Hi MM, Thanks for the comment! Didn't mention Miss Silvia add-ons/modifications in this video as we were comparing new, out of the box machines. But you are correct a vibrant community of Silvia users out there and many after market modifications for those with the desire and skill to do it.

Don’t forget that the cost of all those mods, not to mention knowing how to install them, you might as well upgrade to a better machine.

ghislaincarrier Hi, thanks for the comment and request. Search for my video on premium entry level machines. That one compares 5 single boiler machine steaming times. For larger groups look to a heat exchange boiler machines or dual boiler. Those can generally be ready for round 2,3,4...10 by the time you grind for next shots. A favorite HX machine of mine is the Profitec Pro 500. Marc

Hi DH, Sorry for the late reply been on vaca/holiday and offline. First step is dialing in the grind size. High flow rate means grind is too coarse. Here's a video on that if needed: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oLWJaqdhl9SYc6s.html

Hi Bryan, Thanks for the comment and sharing your Silvia story! Marc

@Bryan can you provide links to the Easy OPV upgrade and to the Pressure Gauge that you used?

Hi vt, Thanks for the comment. The Casa runs a few more $$ than the Silvia but we believe the extra cost is worth it too!

Hi SC, Thanks for your comment and question. The Silvia is a fine machine. IMO the Casa has a little more to offer without a huge price difference. As for grinders, I do like the Sette 270 for light home use. It produces an amazing fluffy and well distributed grind with near zero grind retention.

I have the Sette and IMO is THE grinder to have unless you want to spend $1000+. Fast. Easy. Micro settings. I weigh my beans before going in the grinder and there is virtually no residual grinds left. Less than 6 seconds to grind 17gms. Very consistent.

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Thanks for the comment. Just curious, why the Silvia?

@@Wholelattelovepage why not? would you have asked the same question, if he/she said the ECM?? Just curious

@@rvcasa hes asking a valid question. and no response.

@John Smith ...and you wonder why?🙄

@@rvcasa probably not. Ha.

Hi J, Thanks for the comment. Silvia is a much loved machine but ECM has upped the game with the Casa V. Some users go for PIDing Silvias for $150-$200 to smooth out the huge 60F temp swings in boiler water temp. Coming up, we'll be doing some testing with the Casa to see what its temp swings are. Based on testing done in this video I suspect they are narrower in the Casa than the Silvia.

Great! I look forward to the video....

Nicholas Levi-Gardes Hi, thanks for the comment and question. As far as I know nothing new on the Silvia that would tighten up the temps. It’s a fairly common thing with single boiler machines. Once you get to know your machine you can use the techniques to get relatively consistent brew temps.

Hi KF, Thanks for the comment. If looking for more info on premium entry-level espresso machines check out this video which compares these two machines and adds in the Bezzera Hobby and Gaggia Clasic Pro: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l9CmiNqDv5uWZH0.html The video includes results of steaming performance testing which you may find of interest. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for the reply, you're really helpful is answering question and adding input when most channels arent, kudos to you and the team

Hi MA, Thanks for the request. Unfortunately I don't have a Victoria to do one :( Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage A very good reason to get one! ;-)

Hi DD83, Thanks for the comments! For purists the bean to cup automatic machines cannot match the potential quality of semi-auto machines. As you mention they are consistent as well as convenient. For some that's more important than the hobby aspect of tinkering with the variables. Keep in mind the single boiler machines in this video require more skill to operate than machines with heat-exchange or dual boilers. Marc

Hi LM, Thanks for the question. They are comparable machines. If I were choosing I'd go with the Casa. You get the gauge, nicer finishing and I've always been challenged by Miss Silvia's small drip tray capacity. Marc

Hey jen, internal hot water pipes in the ECM are copper. Marc

Thank you!

Het Keto, Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I agrere! Marc

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Hi Mitchell, Thanks for the question. My opinion is the same. Casa has excellent build quality compared to the Silvia. That said, take good care of the Silvia and no reason it can't go for years. Personally I'm a little iffy on the value of aftermarket PID in a low volume boiler machine like the Silvia. I'm sure they run in a much tighter temperature range the pressure or thermostat regulated machines but for most users once they get to know a machine it's not difficult get consistent brew temps. Where you looking at Rocket machines with PID and HX boiler? Or maybe the non-PID Appartamento? The newer HX machines with PID from Rocket are amazing as far as temp stability. It used to be one had to flush HX machines prior to pulling a shot. That's not the case with PID in the Rockets. Also consider my favorite HX/PID machine the Profitec Pro 500 PID. It's currently similar in price to the Appartamento which does not have PID and priced below Rocket's Type V HX/PID machines. www.wholelattelove.com/products/profitec-pro-500-pid-espresso-machine Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage The Giotto Type V is the class I was looking at. I am not locked to Rocket. I just know of it and that is where I planned to start researching. PID isn't that important to me. Getting away from single boiler is the goal for convenience is at the top of my mind.

Hi Gary, Wow! Here in US Silvia is currently $685, Casa $849 so much closer in price.

I do not really know where these figures come from, but in Germany at the moment you get the Silvia for roughly 600EUR and the case for 800EUR, so the difference is comparable to US prices.

@@Kref3 www.coffeeitalia.es/rancilio-silvia-v5-e.html 485€ at the moment for the Silvia

Hi Mike, Thanks for the question. Casa V wins all day, everyday! Marc

Hi Luke, Thanks for the question. Single boiler machines generally only fill if the user turns on the pump. So if you turn it off with a depleted boiler it's not going to fill without user intervention when turned back on. Marc

Thank you for that question. Am I right in saying that it is not necessary to refill boiler if I steam first and then pull shot?

Hi Murat, Thanks for the kind comments and question! Incredibly difficult to get accurate temperature measurements in paper cup. They can let you know if something is really out of whack but measuring in that way is highly inaccurate. Your paper cup temps sound reasonable so I do not believe anything is wrong with your machine. Like other single boiler machines controlled by thermostats you will get temperature variance depending on where the machine is in it's heating cycle. A the high point of heating cycle shortly after the brew ready light comes on you may have flash boiling of brew water. If you believe your brew temps are low you can push the steam switch for 5-10 seconds to surf the in boiler temps up a bit. I believe if you work with the machine a bit you'll come to understand where it is in it's heating cycle and how to manipulate brew temps artificially. Hope that helps! Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks, well noted. When I do the flashing alone, I almost never see vapour. Maybe I try the steam switch trick in different time lengths and try flashing afterwards to see how many seconds of steam switch keeps me without vapour during flashing. Then I use that setting. Other than that, do you believe a PID kit installed in this machine could do this without much headache? Thanks

Both are good and perfectly capable of producing latte art quality but I do not have official test results using our standard of steaming 5oz of milk to 140F.

Hi Alex, Thanks for the question. It's a manual so you stop it.

ROTORHEADPR thanks for the comment and question. While it’s possible, using pre-ground in non-pressurized filter baskets is not recommended. Fine control of grind size produces far better results.

Hi c, So you want a single boiler ECM machine with PID? How about we add an E61 group and flow control! Meet your new friend the ECM Classika with Flow Control: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-classika-pid-espresso-machine-with-flow-control Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage but it cost, here in Norway at least, 450 more, 1400,- …. So then maybe other machines is better than Classika. What about Nuova Simonelli Musica for 1300,- ?? The casa V is 953,- here

The Profitec Go is what you were looking for. Basically a Casa with PID

Hi Rolando, Thanks for the question If you want huge steaming power in a premium entry-level machine the Bezzera Hobby cannot be beat! Check it out here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bezzera-hobby-espresso-machine Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage and vs of rancilio silvia and quick mill cassiopea?

Here's a link to a video comparing the Silvia, Hobby, Classic and Casa V. it includes detailed results of steam tests including time to steam ready and time to steam milk to finished temp for each machine: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l9CmiNqDv5uWZH0.html Marc

Hi John, You can ask any espresso or coffee question on any video and I'm happy to answer! Sorry it took me a few days to get to yours - I've been offline for a couple. With PID and E61 group the Classika is a level above the Casa V. If you're extra serious about espresso quality...maybe using high-end specialty coffee then the Classika is about as good as it gets in a single boiler machine. Using E61 group it's also available with flow control which opens up high end extraction: www.wholelattelove.com/products/lf-spare-parts-3-spout-2-oz-shot-glass The Casa V is top of the line in single boiler machines in build quality and components if those higher-end Classika features are more than you need. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for your response Marc, much appreciated as always

Hi l, you are welcome and thanks for the comment!

Hi LRG, Curious... how long has your Silvia lived by the sea? The base frame rails of the Silvia are susceptible to corrosion. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage , since 2012. By 2015, the base was corroding badly, and soon began breaking off in pieces. In 2017, I put the machine in storage in a storage unit close to the ocean along with the Rancilio Rocky grinder (and last month I removed them from storage). The grinder is now heavily corroded, and will not work. (Nothing happens when I turn it on.) Moreover, the grind adjustment at the top of the grinder will not turn. But the Silvia still works OK, sans its decimated iron base. but I'm looking to upgrade, and get a unit and grinder that will not rust from the salt air.

Hey Angel, Thanks for the question. Here's a video which compares the Gaggia Classic Pro, ECM Casa V, Bezzera Hobby and Rancilio Silvia. All are machine grade single boiler espresso machines. Included in the video are results of steam performance testing and comparison of machine features: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l9CmiNqDv5uWZH0.html In a nutshell, the ECM Casa V is the high-end of build quality in the group - it's a premium machine. Compared to the GCP it has features like a brew pressure gauge, dedicated pump switch and a much larger boiler. Hope that helps! Marc

Hey HOB, You are welcome! My apologies for a delayed response - been on vaca and offline for a week or so. 1. The Delonghi uses a thermoblock boiler. 2. Trouble with thermoblocks is they are rather inconsistent with brew temp. Additionally, they have no means of heating up the portafilter and portfilters on that type of machine are typically made of lightweight aluminum with very little thermal mass. Beyond that they are undersized when compared to standard 58mm which can work with much larger coffee doses. According to SCA survey of baristas working in specialty shops avg coffee dose used is 19g! Thick you'd be luck to get anything more than 14 or so in the Delonghi basket. Drink quality is all over the place! Go to national chain shops and you are likely to get an under trained barista steaming milk too hot and using an automatic machine for espresso. With a little knowledge/skill, good beans, good grinder and decent machine average home user can do much better - and save a bundle long term. With a $1K budget (assuming that's machine only), You will be limited to non PID machine. If you want to go higher the ECM Classika is a PID single boiler, excellent build, external brew pressure adjustment, E61 group, and... FLOW CONTROL! Maybe out of your budget but a sick machine for those super serious about espresso: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-classika-pid-espresso-machine-with-flow-control Marc

Hi CC, You got some bad advice! Lacking any minerals distilled water will over extract the coffee and cause bitterness! But that's just the start. Ultra-pure water like distilled or 0 TDS reverse osmosis water is an incredibly good solvent. It will pull ions from metals and cause corrosion! One reason why distilled and RO water is never stored or transported in metal! Corrosion is kind of the opposite of scale. You do want some minerals in your brew water. A happy balance which minimizes scale formation and does not cause corrosion. Helps to know how hard your source water is. If relatively soft regular descaling maintenance will take care of any light deposits. If hard, options include prefiltering your source water to reduce calcium. Our favorite solution for your type of machine are filters which use ion-exchange to reduce calcium by exchanging with magnesium. This maintains a mineral level to prevent over-extraction but limits scale formation. BWT makes ion-exchange filtering pitchers are pad filters which you drop into your machines water reservoir: www.wholelattelove.com/bwt-penguin-2-7-l-water-pitcher www.wholelattelove.com/bwt-bestsave-m-anti-scale-filter Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage wow that makes sense! Thanks for the tip! You guys are great I've learned alot

Hi SS, Thanks for sharing! Marc

Hi PS, Thanks for the question. No, the ECM Casa V is not a PID machine. If interested in a single boiler ECM machine with PID have a look at the ECM Classika: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-classika-pid-espresso-machine-with-flow-control Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage sorry to chime in on this one. but how does the Classika compare to the Casa V Marc ?> again, sorry Petrus for getting in on this convo.

Hi RG, Thanks for the comment. For the DIY type that's an option! Marc

Hi A, Either will do well with the Rocky. IMO the ECM Casa has better temp control and higher build quality.

Whole Latte Love thank you!

Whole Latte Love what do you think of Nuova Simonelli Oscar II? Can you do side by side comparison with the ECM Casa IV? Thank you

Look for a Mazzer Super Jolly as used in coffee shops, Second on ebay built like a tank its a step less grinder I have a Rocky not as nice to use because being a step grinder does not allow for very fine adjustment. the Mazzer is a whole lot easier to strip down for cleaning

Hi Brett, Thanks for the question. Well, It is out of stock at the moment but is still on the site: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-casav-semi-automatic-espresso-machine We did not stop selling it. No inventory now due to production slow down related to virus. Machine is made in Milan, Italy - one of the hardest hit areas. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks and totally understand. Odd that it doesn't appear when I browse from the Espresso Machines menu option "All Espresso Machines" and filter on ECM. It does, however, show up when I select the Brands menu and select ECM from there. Weird.

Hi Sean, You are welcome and yes we do have ECM parts available. Less seriously... I don't see the resemblance but can make myself available. Are you in charge of casting?

Hi max, Depends on what "best" means to you. If it's build quality then yes IMO it's top of class. Marc

Hi Jesus, Thanks for the comment. The 500 is a nice upgrade from the Silvia! Happy to hear you are enjoying it. Also much better temperature stability on the 500. Silvia can be all over the place with brew temps.

Whole Latte Love yes! And enough steam production. Am still waiting for my baratza vario ti blow up so i can upgrade to a more heavy duty one and maybe even one that gives me better tasting shots. Any suggestions?

Hi WISE, I have this video which compares ECM Casa, Bezzera Hobby, Rancilio Silvia and Gaggia Classic Pro: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l9CmiNqDv5uWZH0.html Marc

I'm deciding between the same two machines as well. Maybe even add in the Lelit Victoria. The articulating steam wand and ability to easily adjustable brew pressure have me leaning toward the Casa V. Good luck and I will update

@@dantheman324 Casa is the class act of the group

Thanks for the reply @@Wholelattelovepage. It does appear to be the most equipped machine under $1,000USD

Hi Steve, Thanks for the questions. As mentioned in video prices change from time to time but currently the Silvia M is $685 and the Casa V is $849. Both machines use internal reservoirs as water source and cannot be direct connected to household plumbing. These machines not appropriate for continuous brewing and steaming. As single boiler machines they take some time to get up to steaming temperature and following steaming the boiler must be refilled (cooled down) before brewing again. If looking for a plumb-able machine capable of near continuous use - and simultaneous brewing and steaming one of our favorites is the Expobar Brewtus IV-R. It's a dual boiler machine w/PID, built like a rock and is an excellent choice based on price vs. performance. Check it out here: www.wholelattelove.com/expobar-brewtus-iv-r-with-rotary-pump

If you want constant steam and constant brewing you either need a heat exchanger or a dual boiler machine. Plumbing in is not really necessary, an internal tank is quite sufficient. But define constant. I would say regular. Really constant is something that would require a professional machine like you would find at professional coffee shops. The Brewtus is nice, but it is also pricey and your question indicates that you do not know much about espresso making and as you look at the cheaper models I assume that the Brewtus might also exceed your price range. Look at the Breville BES920XL dual boiler. The stats of this thing are quite interesting and the price does not hurt as much.

Hi carlcat, Thanks for the comment. While the Silvia does have a heavy brass group head it's not an E61. The Silvia is a wonderful machine but has not changed much over the years. As you know, the pain with the machine are huge swings in boiler temps - PID retrofit tames that. The 300 with dual boilers and PID is a huge upgrade. Solid brew temps, steam always available. For milk-based drinks it would be a life changing experience compared to the Silvia. Might also consider the Pro 500 PID. Rock solid brew temps, never ending steam power, E61 group and nicer casework and valves than the 300. Check it out here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b7ajZ62X1ri0pX0.html

The Pro 500 is a sweet machine and it would be a nice machine for me, but too much machine for my wife. She likes a simple machine that heats up very fast, she has no patience for long heating times. ( I taught her, rather than temp surf, just push the steam button on for 20 seconds or so after the boiler light goes out, then turn the steam button off, and then push the boiler/coffee button with the hotter water) I really think the Profitec 300 would be a nice compromise for the both of us. I keep telling my Silvia "hurry up and die already", but she refuses, she can be very stubborn. ;-)

Hi tritop, Your comment is appreciated - thanks! Marc

Hi Rick, Thanks for your comments! ECM makes some fine machines! Hear you on opening up a BDB. Big difference inside an appliance as opposed to a machine! I've been inside many dozens of espresso machines and the design/layout/engineering found within ECM products stands out! Top notch components and attention to detail.

rick9482 I’m currently in the same situation as you were however I’m looking at the Casa V. I have had many issues with my Breville to the point I just stopped using it. Thanks for posting the comment I have been on the fence between the two. It just seems Rancilio needs an update.

Alex M Hi Alexis, what did you end up buying?

rick9482 I ended up buying a Profitec Pro500. A month after purchasing they ended up dropping in a PID. 😡. But honestly it’s not needed just flush first and the shots are amazing - as is the steam wand. The four hole tip took some getting use to but now I am getting consistent great micro foam. Very happy and easy to make great drinks.

Alex M What a shame you missed out on the PID but if your still pleased so job done. Profitec is as good as ECM in my opinion. Personally, I seldom drink milk based drinks so single boiler satisfies me perfectly. After several months use, my machine started acting up, i.e., noisy, pressure issues. Figured it needed a descaling but was concerned about breaking out scale and causing a clog. But it wasn't working properly anyway so I plowed ahead. How embarrassing to discover descaling was no problem whatsoever and my machine is back to working like new. So, don't be afraid of normal maintenance on your new machine.

Hi Ardy, Thanks for the comment. Do you have a double basket for your Silvia? 12g seems very light for the stock double basket. Marc

Whole Latte Love Mark. Appreciate your follow up They may have changed it over the years... but many others have noted this issue Here is one comment “17 grams in a Stock Rancilio double basket is a huge updose and could take a ball peen hammer tamper to get it all in there.” So maybe if I heaped the basket, I could of got 15. That said, it was easy enough to get a new basket. Since I have a bottomless portafilter, I have no idea if there were any basket size constraints in the Sylvia porta filter. In any case, I think people should know not to assume the capacity of a stock basket -- as I did for very many years

Whole Latte Love Mark.. here is another on line quote 12.21. ... Between the Rancilio 18 gram basket, the Rancilio 12 gram double basket that comes stock with the machine, ......

Whole Latte Love BTw, Mark, one issue that I have not seen discussed is the subtleties of achieving a stable temp on a Sylvia type machine. The following TEMPS are based on an aftermarket Sylvia PID MOD If you run your shots with the heating element off... new water will flow into the boiler and somewhat rapidly drop the brew water temp..... where as if you have the heating element on, the added heat from the heating element will balance the cold water from the reservoir. This will keep boiler water temp more stable. This whole dance also depends on how cold is the water in the reservoir is..., and what is the brew water flow rate through the coffee which impacts how rapidly the boiler is re filling with cold water This is probably much more info than your listeners want. OTOH, temperature stability is one of the issues addressed by getting a more expensive machine.

Whole Latte Love IMG_2282.jpg 18 gm ims basket vs stock rancillio

Well, partly iron 😉

Hi LP, Thanks for the comment!

You're welcome

Hi Xu, Thanks for sharing your opinion.

Hi sc, Thanks for the question. Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison of the Casa V and Silvia: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=MTU0NTk3Mzc5MjgyNywxNTQ1OTg2OTMyNzk1 Notice the slightly large boiler in the Casa V and higher wattage of the heating element at 1200w v. 952w. Those specs point to higher steaming power and quicker recovery in the Casa V. If steaming lots of milk is important to you I'd consider moving to a machine with HX boiler. You'll get more steam and will be able to brew and steam simultaneously. Have a look at the ECM Mechanika V Slim. It has a large 2.2L boiler and 1400w element: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-mechanika-v-slim Marc

HI NK, Thanks for the question. The ECM Casa boiler is a hair bigger and it uses a more powerful heating element so it has a bit more steaming power. Either machine has enough power for steaming non-dairy milks. Marc

Whole Latte Love for the ECM Casa V, do I need to add PID? I’m a beginner.

No, you do not need to add a PID.

Whole Latte Love I have so many questions lol! Is there any machine similar to this that has automatic boiler refill feature (or does this have that?) I don’t want to end up burning a boiler bc I simply forgot to refill the boiler manually. Does the ECM come with a hot water spout as well?

@@thenayeonkim Boilers on these machines automatically refill. You do need to cool down the boiler after using the steam function. You have to do that on all single boiler machines. To cool down, you open the steam valve and turn on the water dispensing function until a solid stream of water comes out of the steam wand. Both machines produce hot water out of the steam wand when steam is off.

GJ Michaels I agree. You are correct about the time it takes to build steam; a little over a minute. Sorry if my English is not perfect. The video was a comparison of machines with unequal price points, but the PID levels the playing field and well worth the cost. I want to say that I have had NO rust issues with the Silvia and my machine make 3 espresso drinks per day, seven days per week, plus hot water for tea every day. Most of the purge and rinse is done into a measuring cup. For anything else, simply rinse off the catch tray and wipe it dry at the end of use for each day, so once per day it gets wiped dry. Once every 2-3 weeks, I wipe the black area (where the tray sits) with WD40. Easy, simple and no rust in 5 years. The Silvia is much easier to service yourself, or if you know someone handy. Every part, including the boiler, is available on-line, if needed.

Hi Ep, Thanks for sharing your experience!

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@@MrSloomy2012 لا ما عليك ضبطت الاوسكار معي الحمد لله

Hi, Thanks for the comment. Glad you enjoyed.

Hi EJ, Thanks for sharing! Mis Silvia is a much loved machine - drip tray drives me nuts, but other than that it's a workhorse.

Hi GL, Thanks for the comment. ECM makes excellent machines. You might check out the ECM Classika. It's a single boiler E61 group with PID and is available with flow control: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-classika-pid-espresso-machine-with-flow-control Marc

Hi Almond, Thanks for the question. The Oscar II uses a heat exchange boiler which can brew espresso and steam milk at the same time. The Casa V is a single boiler so you have to wait between extracting espresso and steaming milk. IMO the build quality of the Casa V is superior to the Oscar II. But if doing lots of milk drinks I’d go with the Oscar II Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks

what you think abot Lelit Anita - PL042TEMD

Hi yasser, Thanks for the comment. Your English is fine! When used properly the Silvia and Casa make fine espresso. As you mentioned the E61 can make things more stable. I suspect your issue with the Lelit is more about the grind than the machine. Marc

@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you for your reply❤

Hey 123, You bet I am! Marc

Hi Jesus, Thanks for the comment. If doing lots of milk drinks users will def appreciate simultaneous brew and steam with HX or DB machines. These machines are a good option for those who don’t do a lot of steaming or have limited budget. Marc

Whole Latte Love am trying to upsell here marc your killing me haha, u guys are awesome! Wish i could be part of your online chat group.

close, but not yet! at the end, the 'O' is pronounced as 'OO'

Hi c, Thanks for the comment. We pull standard shots 20-30 seconds on lower cost single boiler machines all the time. HX, DB and FG machines are easier to use than single boilers. But, with some effort it's possible to pull wonderful shots on these machines. I think the blonde gushers are less about the machine and more about the coffee being used.

I confess, I'm spoiled by a LM triple basket on my direct connect HX.

With my ascaso thermal block , I pull pre-infuse then off, then pull , then off , then pull. Makes great thick meaty shots every time.

Hi Bret, Lol, no ECM did not. Review reflects my testing and opinion. Marc

Agreed! Marc