Comparing Some of The Best Standard Shape Paddles

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0:00 - Intro
1:04 - Aizec introduction
5:11 - Chris’s PT stories
7:00 - Joola lawsuit with USAP
16:50 - standard shape paddles comparison
18:06 - Honolulu Pickleball J3K
24:16 - Spartus Apollo
27:40 - Ronbus FX.R2
31:17 - Volair Mach 2 Forza
36:57 - Bnb FatBoy
40:39 - Our Rankings
42:55 - Thoughts on the $300 KTCHN Bag
57:14 - Hesacore grip
1:07:18 - Cohost memes
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@NOT_A_TOP_FAN 14 күн бұрын

Next week on The Will and Aizec Pickleball Show, they will be featuring an up and coming paddle reviewer named, Chris Olsen.

@PickleballStudio 14 күн бұрын

I am dying. 😂😂😂

@dt234 14 күн бұрын

@@PickleballStudioI would love to see more on the fatboy b&b

@PickleballWill 14 күн бұрын

Great Job Aizec, you did a good job subbing as the Host of the podcast

@af02271 14 күн бұрын

I love how much more blunt Aizec is lol. Chris is usually very careful when talking about a paddle he doesn't like, while Aizec is just straight up like "I hated this thing" 🤣

@KTCHNPickleball 14 күн бұрын

$300!? Who are these guys!? JK. Thank you so much for the chat about our bag. And we’ll keep making it better as we get more feedback like this. Keep up the great work you guys. Always amazing content. 🔥

@sesamesprinkles 14 күн бұрын

The slow pan with the wide camera was honestly a nice touch while watching the podcasts

@cvandi4094 14 күн бұрын

Aizec needs to be back more often, enjoy him being part of the podcast!!! Always look forward to the new episodes....keep up the great work.

@NightBandit13 14 күн бұрын

While Aizec may never replace Chris or Will, he makes the perfect accompaniment to them both.

@Itskjb813 14 күн бұрын

Squirtle Squad glasses are elite

@teenasuzuki2514 14 күн бұрын

Consult the other Paddle Avengers, especially John Kew, on your court colors since he’s color blind and you need all of them to assemble in Minnesota.

@kimjaesung5938 14 күн бұрын

I literally created a poll on the same topic for wide body paddles a few days ago on FB. Thank you for talking about it.

@brucemark 14 күн бұрын

Loving the Aizec honesty! Great job you two!

@vincentszymborski359 13 күн бұрын

Aizec is a great add to the podcast! Well done Chris!

@chanpickleball 14 күн бұрын

Pickleball studio color for sure! It needs to be!

@hruntingson 14 күн бұрын

Yes! I was just wondering about the wave of new standard paddles.

@iugradmark 14 күн бұрын

Nice pod today. Some really good info. I love the long reviews but we also want to know how similar paddles play in relationship to each other. I will say that I think the lines will continue to blur moving forward. Standard paddles will move in new and more powerful directions is my bet.

@BobSan106 14 күн бұрын

I like how Aizec sits in the high back “host” chair, while Chris has the low back “guest chair”. A changing of the guard?

@LouisBrown19 13 күн бұрын

Welcome back Aizec - Another host of the PB Studio.

@JesseWilliams-wg1og Күн бұрын

I will say, I LOVE my hesacore! My grip was too slippery with my DBD, (obviously an overgrip would’ve helped) so I got the white grip and overgripped and will never go back. Definitely a preference thing, but I do love it. My wife has one too now.

@groot3371 14 күн бұрын

I enjoyed the podcast with Aizec. Ed Ju has put out several videos on how to put on the Hesacore grip. Ed’s latest video shows an easy way that he puts on his Hesacore grip. I made it to the kitchen and enjoyed the memes. Thank you Chris and Aizec.

@123BV8 14 күн бұрын

Looking forward to the standard comparison! Please include the ALW. Aizec has great insight and we know what he likes, not standards but he still knows what a standard paddle should be.

@bunsen27 14 күн бұрын

I always enjoy when the BLO makes an appearance and offers his opinions on paddles. I see it as a benefit overall since Aizec has a different stature and playstyle than Chris, thus differing opinions from a different perspectives. Great discussion on all the standard shaped paddles and I agree that many players would benefit from using one! I recently went from a hybrid shape back to a standard debating between the Volair Forza M216 and PIKKL HP16; I ultimately went with the HP16. It's been my Goldilocks paddle after playing a 6.0 DBD16 for the past 9 months. The HP16 just helps me play better in all the areas of my game that I needed. If you have the time I'd love to see a Volair FM2 & PIKKLE HP review, or a maybe a standard/wide body comparison video once the Fat Boy, Quartz, and 11Six24 Monarch are all released?

@1973superdad 9 күн бұрын

Ordered the volair mach 2 forza and used your code. Thanks. See you guys on the court soon.

@cindywong7589 14 күн бұрын

Love the hesacore. I have one for each paddle so no need to remove and put on. The hot water method works well. I also use baby oil. Works well, too. Helps with my tennis elbow by reducing the vibrations.

@josephdragotta1485 14 күн бұрын

Joola vision bag for $60 is a steal would recommend

@PKB-AG 12 күн бұрын

thank you for adding this - great value. I bought an Adidas Excel 6 and use the laptop sleeve for a paddle holder. I think some things these days are over-engineered, but then warrant a huge price. Like when you get a dinner it's really two dinners worth of food but it's how they get away with charging more. 'Merica !!

@blackcayman64 13 күн бұрын

I have the light blue in the kitchen, grey court and Navy Blue surround! Looks great

@JonasHoldemanLitChannel 14 күн бұрын

Chris, I imagine one of the reasons that USAP felt particularly compelled to go after JOOLA is the fact that the company was pretty much giving the USAP rulebook the double middle fingers in their advertising; after all, they were actively promoting the fact that the paddles exhibit what amounts to a “diving board effect.“ I can’t quote chapter inverse from the USAP rulebook, but there’s something in there that explicitly refers to paddles not exhibiting a trampoline - type effect.

@aaronmorgan8864 13 күн бұрын

Chris, loving this comparison video of wide body paddles. I got the Mach 2 Forza 4-5 months ago and LOVE it. Spartus sent me the Apollo to try and I enjoyed it as well but the edge guard started to come unglued in two weeks of play. They sent me a new one but that was a little worrisome. Did you weight your M2F up at all?

@metal_bloo 14 күн бұрын

Can't believe these guys did an episode without the host

@TooColdHands 14 күн бұрын

Aizec is a great paddle reviewer. Brutally honest and definitely knows all the details of each paddle.

@TooColdHands 14 күн бұрын

Mostly just as a 2nd opinion to contrast to Chris's opinion

@douglasmurdoch7247 13 күн бұрын

I saw those glasses and instantly said “Squirtle Squad!”

@AizecOlson 13 күн бұрын

Heck yeah!!

@Gary-W 14 күн бұрын

Love the bag.. Have a magnetic towel that just attaches to the outside magnet.. If you're like Chris you can use the shoe pocket for additional items since you wear your shoes.. It also has a clip in a pocket to attach your keys..😊

@KTCHNPickleball 14 күн бұрын

Thank you!! 🙏

@willgjetson2566 14 күн бұрын

Light blue reflects a lot! I have light blue kitchen courts here and it’s blinding when it’s sunny out

@hruntingson 13 күн бұрын

Interestingly, blue is the part of the spectrum that gets most of the blame for glare.

@gianalvarez8724 14 күн бұрын

Hey Guys! Thanks for the podcast! Really informative and entertaining! I have a question, how can I find those wall mounts for the paddles? I’m needing some!

@PickleballStudio 14 күн бұрын

Just garage hooks from Amazon.

@terraXR 13 күн бұрын

Josh Kim from Spartus has written some very insightful comments regarding the lawsuit (I read them on Reddit). I didn't realize he has such deep experience in law. Love the standard paddle impressions!

@scottlennan225 14 күн бұрын

Court colors must be dark. Since the ball is yellow/neon green. Contrast will be easier to see.

@jhleerph 13 күн бұрын

Aizec, if you are into looking at PT stuff, look up Conor Harris. Very unique approach.

@joestrei 14 күн бұрын

Loving all the recent discussions about standard shape paddles. Is there a release date set for the Fat Boy? And do either of you know how the pop/power compares to the OG thermos (DBD)?

@craigcable2982 14 күн бұрын

One thing to think about is how hot or cold and moisture you get where you live. Black court evaporation rate and heat is higher for cold weather play and light gray is cooler for hot day play.

@BlGSac 14 күн бұрын

Matt Wright gotta pro bono the USAP lawsuit. Aizec gotta become a permanent addition to the show, he's blunt, hes not scared to speak his mind about paddles.

@npisaacs 4 күн бұрын

I have a Vatic Pro Prism Flash and am looking to get my first thermoformed paddle. Would you recommend upgrading to an Apollo, Mach 2, or J3K or would it not be a noticeable improvement in play?

@LuckyBouncePickleball 13 күн бұрын

There are some courts in Crystal Minnesota that have light blue kitchens and around noon. The sun really reflects off of that light blue maybe a darker blue for the kitchen.:-)

@richhughes5784 14 күн бұрын

Whatever you do for the colors, make sure they put grit in the paint for the lines so they don't make the ball skid/skip. I don't understand why so many courts have slick lines.

@MrSeanboon 14 күн бұрын

For the hesacore grip, I just spray my handle with a bit of PAM cooking spray before I try to slide the hesacore grip over. Super easy.

@DogBehaviorSolutions 14 күн бұрын

Soak it in hot water for a few minutes. It makes it super easy to put on.

@wfbellis892 14 күн бұрын

Hey! Been watching the show for a month or so now. I've started buying a few paddles to figure out what I like and also to teach family & friends. My goal is to have a variety of paddles for others to try out. Here's what I have: Selkirk Luxx - Invikta Selkirk Power Air - Epic Paddletek Bantam TKO-CX 13.7 Vatic Pro Prism Flash 14mm I'm looking to add a couple paddles to the collection in the future. I'm going to skip Joola paddles for now as that's what most of my friends have. What recommendations do you have? Thanks

@JovanniG678 13 күн бұрын

So for too much vibration in the handle, do you guys use a different replacement grip or something like a comfort over grip to avoid the vibration. Or is just “O that vibrates” and then you just put it down?

@kimleith1378 14 күн бұрын

I always play my GBPwrE against any Joola G3s. Newcomer to the paddle game, THOMPSON has some new tech that takes on several of the shortcomings most paddles have. Sweet spot size, vibration damening and looks.

@wpo1956 14 күн бұрын

love the glasses

@PharmDConan 14 күн бұрын

Spartus Apollo is only $110 with a military discount. I’m currently running lead tape bottom two sides and top two corners. Think it is 8.9oz after lead, tape, and hesacore grip, and overgrip. Really pleased with it!

@RC-tm8jo 11 күн бұрын

The Apollo is my favorite paddle I've ever tried. I have 3 of them now, two of which I alternate using and will not use the third until the other two are worn out. I keep one paddle stock and have weighted up the other. For the weighted paddle, I have 2 grams around 10:00 and 2 grams around 2:00. I also have 4 grams around 4:00-5:00 and 4 grams around 7:00-8:00. I still can't figure out if I like the Apollo better weighted or stock.

@juansantiago1441 5 күн бұрын

Have you guys compared the Apollo to the Volair M2F?

@imK3VBOT 14 күн бұрын

The thing that drew me away from the KTCHN bag is the separate shoe cube. If you attach it to the bag it makes the bag huge. And i don't want to carry it in my hands that why I bought a backpack. I actually pre-ordered the ADV backpack v2 and that seems like the perfect bag for me now that they made it more pickleball friendly.

@PickleballStudio 14 күн бұрын

For sure! I’m not a huge fan of attaching it to the bag either. Too big

@KTCHNPickleball 14 күн бұрын

Personally we carry the cube more than we attach it.

@RSCPB 14 күн бұрын

As much as I like Will as the host and Chris as the cohost, Aizec seems to mesh better with Chris that supports the phrase “Chris is the host and Aizec is the cohost” better 😂😂

@roycastillo1602 14 күн бұрын

I use googone to remove the sticky glue from the original grip. The googone makes the hesacore slides in easy peasy.😊

@DanielSkrade 14 күн бұрын

I currently play with the R3 pulsar and would love a review of the fx version!

@terogan 14 күн бұрын

Going to give Jack Sock a run for his money in the back end? 😂 Yay, BLO made the video! Golf club grip solution also helps the hesicore slide right on.

@juansoria4086 9 күн бұрын

Great job guys! Have you considered reviewing the carbon pickle paddles? I have the Pro and I like it way better than the Luxx.

@KeriFrankenstein 8 күн бұрын

How does the VM2 16mm compare to the Engage Pursuit Pro EX 6.0?

@duanehensley8835 14 күн бұрын

Ugh!!! How could you not have the Gruvn Muvn-16S or 14-S in this line up?! I was so excited to see the subject of this new video only to be sorley disapointed that you didn't include one the the best standard shape paddles ever made. What the heck guys?!! :(

@PickleballStudio 14 күн бұрын

We can only hit so many paddles in one day. 😂 Those are really good too though.

@duanehensley8835 13 күн бұрын

@@PickleballStudio It's not like there's a ton of standard shaped / wide body paddles that should even make this list. You only talked about a handful anyways and I believe you already tested and reveiwed the Gruvn Muvn-16S and 14-S and I htought you guys really liked it. So, why didn't it make the list?

@parky6031 14 күн бұрын

Damn man Aizecs got some biceps, atleast 4.5 at best 😂

@user-cn1ol8qf8w 13 күн бұрын

About Aizec's experience with vibrations on the Apollo, since there is a gap between the rubber band and the paddle, it acts like a guitar string and it produces more vibration. The owner of Spartus said "The rubber band is a little bit stiffer than others, and if placed too high, there will be a gap between the rubber band and the face, which allows the rubber band to vibrate like a guitar string. It sounds stupid but it's for real." Try removing the rubber band to see if it makes a difference.

@WhitePillMan 14 күн бұрын

The problem with the Joola 3 wasn’t the power. It was extremely difficult to determine the speed of the ball bc it would fly off even with half swings. The trampoline effect hid the actual speed and gave it a massive advantage. At pro level and beginner, the paddle seems to matter very little. Paddle tech seems to matter from 4.0-5.0

@ruhrohraggy1313 14 күн бұрын

Be careful making the kitchen too light. Our local indoor place has light blue kitchens and the first two weeks of play there were pretty rough because I kept losing track of the ball during dink rallies. They've gotten dirty since then, so it's a lot easier to see now

@ender133 14 күн бұрын

So...which one is mary kate and which one is ashley.....

@derrickclaudin6100 14 күн бұрын

You should review the Friday Pickelball paddles!!!!

@jtdavis771 10 күн бұрын

Any plans for top 5 bags under $150 ?

@zaf7819 14 күн бұрын

If Joola pulled a bait and switch on paddles, submitting a tame one and selling and providing pros with a hotter version, then my guess is USPA should be in the clear, would you agree or am I missing something? Regarding grips Chris, seems they are as personal as paddle choices. John Kew's co-host (like you are for Will), Eddie, takes the stock grip entirely off his paddle and wraps the bare handle with just one overgrip because he says the small diameter grip makes flexing his wrist quicker. I barely fit into XXL gloves and like the Hesacore white grip with overgrips to build up the grip diameter so my fingers don't overlap my palm when I grip the paddle. Tell Will I said he should keep you on as co-host, with your help he put out a great pod! lol

@pickleballnic 14 күн бұрын

Darker court colors (not any reds) are the way to go to get good ball visibility.

@user-jx1vp5ei4u 14 күн бұрын

Chris, time to review the new upcoming Six Zero Black Diamond 14 mm and the RUBY 14 mm. If people liked the RUBY 16 mm the 14 mm will blow you away. More power, lower swing rate, better twist and super well balanced.

@noah_whitlock11 12 күн бұрын

Could you do a review on the Diadem Icon V2? Please 👍

@notw16 12 күн бұрын

Which face material retains its spin the longest?

@terrywelcome7511 6 күн бұрын

What is the discount code for the bag

@FarmerLankyPickleball 10 күн бұрын

Aizec's top standards are similar to mine but I wear my court shoes everywhere like Chris 😂

@pauljohnmarcelino2121 13 күн бұрын

Will finally in SoCal. Maybe finally he can get a hand of the Maverix Havik 15 down there

@douglasmurdoch7247 13 күн бұрын

Here’s the easy answer on what to do with your court. Do the actual court in more traditional colors. But do the area surrounding the court, the out of bounds, in the PBStudio colors. Best of both worlds, you get to have your color scheme represented, and get a traditional court.

@danr9659 14 күн бұрын

Light blue kitchen makes the ball hard to see. At least that's the case at an indoor place near me. Outdoors it might not be as big of a deal.

@slowyourrole 14 күн бұрын

Auto mechanic here. For my hesacores I use silicone spray and it slides on easily in seconds.

@LowDinksHijinxPickleball 13 күн бұрын

soaking the hesacore in warm water for a like 15 seconds does the trick too.

@Gary-W 14 күн бұрын

You have a hesacore on the Volair. So I assume you play with one. Just put one on each paddle you use..😊

@garrisonbennett2693 14 күн бұрын

Chris, what is your grip setup on the Forza: -Which Hesacore? -Which overgrip? -How many overgrips?

@PickleballStudio 14 күн бұрын

Currently the Pink XS Hesacore Luqi Supreme Overgrip 1 overgrip.

@garrisonbennett2693 14 күн бұрын

@@PickleballStudio Awesome, thank you! Best pickleball podcast host there is! 💪

@PickleballChris 13 күн бұрын

Your court: Make it fun! Vibrant. Don't be upset with the brightness Over time it fades out.. And be sure to have your contractor focus on building a solid foundation for the court. Worst thing is to start having cracks after 3 years. (Make it part of your warranty! And save the paper work!!!) Keep up posted! #PickleballChris #TylerWrenProPickleball #OptaHealthAndWellness #RawPickleballBuzz

@panamaslim595 14 күн бұрын

Guys which paddles are you taking to tourneys please ?

@PickleballStudio 14 күн бұрын

Me: Volair Forza Mach 2 16mm Aizec: Bread & Butter Shogun

@mkodwavi001 14 күн бұрын

Hurrache Control + or Volair Mach 2 Forza - which one would you choose?

@mkodwavi001 13 күн бұрын

@godgunsandgoldens 4 күн бұрын

Control+ will give you more offense although it still has good control. The Mach 2 Forza is pure control. Low power and also low pop makes the short game much easier to master.

@KnorSC 13 күн бұрын

Have you ever reviewed the Proton?

@PickleballStudio 13 күн бұрын

I haven't. They've been out of stock for like 5 months.

@NightBandit13 14 күн бұрын

Chris, while there's nothing wrong with Patrick (he has a very nice game), if you want to start winning hardware at 5.0, you need to follow Will's lead and start playing with Aizec (he's a stud).

@PickleballStudio 14 күн бұрын

haha Aizec could have waaaay better partners than me tbh. I need to improve more before that partnership makes sense.

@NightBandit13 13 күн бұрын

@@PickleballStudio That may be, but nothing's better than playing with family (I just played a couple of tournaments with my daughter, and they were the best tournaments of my life (even though we didn't even medal)). You don't have to play all tournaments together, but once in a while would definitely be fun (both for you two and for us to watch).

@DSDHarrison 14 күн бұрын

I paid $129 for my Volair Mach 2 they had a sale plus discount code.

@vahidmioooo 12 күн бұрын

What paddle category the CrBN X2 falls into?

@godgunsandgoldens 4 күн бұрын

Standard shape 16” by 8”

@Eric-Denton 6 күн бұрын

Just to be clear... Volair 16mm? 😅

@terrywelcome7511 6 күн бұрын

Hesacore grip is awesome

@nathanmilsaps9843 13 күн бұрын

Why did you compare the Ronbus R2 and not the R3?

@3.99atBest 14 күн бұрын

Do the PIKKL!

@RC-tm8jo 11 күн бұрын

I have both the Apollo and M2F 16mm, and for me, the Apollo I like more because of the extra pop (which is very controllable for me). I actually think the spin is slightly better on the M2F, and I think the M2F is slightly better on touch shots like dinks and resets. The Apollo has more power and serves and drives are better.

@juansantiago1441 5 күн бұрын

I have the Apollo and I like it, but this video made me regret not getting the M2F 16 in June when it was on sale for $129. Hopefully I’m not missing much from the M2F compared to the Apollo performance wise.

@seanhalili4464 14 күн бұрын

They are so similar it’s like watching Chris talk to himself 😂

@robedwards6926 14 күн бұрын

Really, they seem so different personality wise and even look/style wise to me.

@josedvasquez3473 13 күн бұрын

got my apollo last week and am happy with it but that fat boy look niceeee

@el10tufo 14 күн бұрын

So if we rank the host and cohosts of the pod, it would be 1- Will, 2- Aizec, the studio in third, which leaves Chris as , you guessed it, 3.5 at best

@jestercastillo4168 12 күн бұрын

I havw volair mach 2 and apollo, i keep going back to volair, for some reason volair hits better for me and ball goes to where i want to send it. Apollo is hella gritty tho. Maybe i need to play with apollo more.. 🦍

@Whim396 14 күн бұрын

In my experience the 16mm mach 2 is great. but the ruby feels similar just better in every way. The dwell and feel of the ruby is better, and the control feel when adjusting for variable ball speeds is far superior... I wanted to like the mach 2 more than the ruby, but frankly just couldnt.

@PickleballHangout 13 күн бұрын

A couple of more serious comments... 1. Once I saw the spelling of Aizec's name, I was more self conscious to write it correctly so I would look it up. 2. Aizec looks like his name - I didn't make the comment, but with the hair he could potentially put out a Native American vibe, so I could see someone thinking "Aztec" 🤷

@gabewoh20 14 күн бұрын

I know for a fact Aizec watches Squat university

@shalpher844 14 күн бұрын

Personal performance (e.g., do you take lessons, drill, practice, etc.) should not be overrun by a paddle that has been engineered to allow a beginner to beat a 4.5 because it has too much ball velocity, power, etc. It’s akin to aluminum bats for high school and college baseball.