UPDATE LAB ANALYSIS: Latest video here of 9 different brands showing lab test analysis results: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mrd_nJx4m-DXm3k.html including UDT2, Permatran 821XL, Amsoil, Mobil Delvac, Rural King Providence, Walmart Super Tech, Tractor Supply Traveller, Lucas, and John Deere Hy-Gard

Thanks for doing the work! I was wondering about alternatives. I'll stick with AGCO.

Good factual Video , love the way you do your spreadsheet, you convinced me to go with the GC with it ;-) . I decided to stay with AGCO too, price is good here in canada too and one good aspect of it is it probably help my local dealer stay in buisness wich is good for them and for other massey user like me around here :-).

Glad i found your channel! Very useful information thank you!

You hit the nail on the head. I run a lot of equipment and do oil samples on a lot of it. Had this debate with my mechanic and after contacting oil sample lab they said that any variations out of spec was always an off brand oil! They merge several base oils that end up with variations in the end product. You have to consider the risk and expense of failure and whether or not the price of oil savings is worth the possible failure. Not for me.

Sorry, I can't offer any opposing view. I agree with you, after seeing the numbers you collected (thank you for doing that) and considering that my tractor is new and under warranty, I'll stick with the AGCO oil. It's more expensive than the bargain brands, but they are no bargain if they cause system failure that won't be covered by warranty because I'm running an unapproved oil. My Dad used to tell me, "When you buy the cheapest version of something, you get what you pay for."

Thanks for the video Ed. I'm sticking with Agco. An extra $60 bucks isn't going to break the bank for me. PS - The Mobile 80W sounds like the gear box oil that you would use on a post hole digger gear box.

I opted for the Shell Rotella HD. It is 10w30. My 2022 GC1723EB tractor manual says you need to meet the Massey M1145 spec, which this does. Locally, it was just under $100 at Napa, whereas the Permatran is $150 if you can get it.

I know of one company that use 15/40 diesel oil in everthing.Engine,hydro static or hydraulic and it worked perfect.

It’s obvious Mobil is gear lube the others are hydro oil, are you comparing hydraulic fluid or hydro transmission fluid?

I'm going to use dealer oil I feel safer this equipment is expensive

Great Informative Unbiased Video. I even picked up a Good Point when you mentioned lack of information or test data on Aftermarket Oils. I know from Dealer Side Training that Oil Testing is Very Expensive especially when it comes to rating oils like the API (American Petroleum Institute) Specs & Grades. Many Years ago I heard $150,000 a Test on Engine Oils to test up to the next Classification Level. Also some Manufacturers and some of the Base Oil & Additives Suppliers continually test their products. The Additive Supplier for AGCO Lubricants has over Trillion Hours of Lab Testing (Wonder what that Diesel Fuel Bill Costs???). There's lots of Great Oils Out there and There's some not so great or but to call not the same. Depends on Base Oil Stock they start with additives package costs, Testing Costs, and more. Actually AGCO Parts offers 3 Permatran 821XL Oils 1) Permtran 821XL (As in Video - Gold Label) 10W30 Viscosity Grade (DO NOT USE FOR ENGINE OIL - Just the Grade, Flowability Level), Also have for our Big Tractors with Fendt CVT Transmission (Green Label) 15w40 Viscosity Grade, and also a Cold Climate Permatran 821XL (Blue Label) 5W-20 Viscosity Grade. Then they also offer the ISO Hydraulics Oils , ATF Automatic Transmission and they Own Sparex which has Hydraulitc Transmission Fluid for Legacy Model Tractors. There's lots of Oils from One Manufacturer to take care of their machines and Actually 2 Approved for the GC Series Tractors. Brookfield Viscosity Test is one of the Test that is done on Hydraulic Oils to Test Friction of Oil upon StartUp. Very important in low temperatures. The Lower the Number the Fast the oil moving through the system. The Lower the Number the faster the oil is moving through the system. A Number as high as 70,000 can still be viable fluid by Oil Industry guidelines. AGCO SemiSynthetic Permatran 821XL (Gold Label) Brookfield @ -35° C, cP (Centipose) 39,000 AGCO Low Temperature Permatran 821XL (Blue Label) is 19,000 Brookfield @ -35°C, CP. Blue flow faster in cold weather but you don't want to use in warm climates as it can flow too good and not protect vital components. M-1145 is the Most Current Massey Ferguson Specification. The Older Levels are often printed on the Container but are olds specs like M-1143 was prior recommended spec and M-1141 was prior to that. If your Oil does not have M-1145 Spec is it not current level for the requirements of the tractor. There have been several lawsuits in recent years by State Attorney Generals over the John Deere 303 Spec that aftermarket oil companies where using. This spec had been replaces and was no a valid spec because it was originally a Whale Oil Base Product from way back in the Mid 1960's and mislead consumers if was safe to use in their tractors and the courts issues cease order to stop production and removal of the product. It's hard for customers to keep up with specs is it for a dealer too but I'm an Oil Addict and like to learn the differences and had had some opportunities to discuss with Manufacturer and Industry Professionals. I actually did a video from some of my learning: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oK91e9hm07PDY4k.html Final Thoughts: I love your thoughts on oil and costs and protection for your tractor. As a dealer it sure makes it easier if you do have a claim and using AGCO Parts Products it's covered and no loss of sleep as a customer that your protected. Maintenance is a inexpensive expense when you compare to cost of the components you are protection and the investment you made. At least during the warranty period I highly recommend considering using OEM Filter & Oil. And you might want to consider as many times it's not much more or even less cost. especially Filters when comparing the correct cross references. What you do after warranty that is your own decision. But like a customer told me : "Do you buy the Cheapest Whiskey for your Cocktail? It makes a drink but it's not the same as the Good Stuff: Advice from Industry Professional that I have remembered and good words when comparing "Don't Judge Oil on One Feature or Spec alone but the Complete Package Offering"