hmmm, I got mixed feelings on this one. I did it for 3 solid years and by that third year I had it figured out and came to the conclusion it was not a good setup for several reasons. I'm a bit concerned that if I explain it that even though I may explain why it hurts you overall, people will try it. And then because there is so little info I will end up with a lot of converstaions and phone calls happening where guys are looking for more info, thoughts, solutions while the whole time I would be like "yeah, Its complicated and has issues" and they would just end up even more frustrated 😠 Its fast. yep. and very very inconsistent with track changes and spring wear. really want to kinda avoid this one if I can sir. it'd be a can of worms for me.

@@DIRTRACELIFE I understand was just trying to find a way to make it make sense lol.. Thanks again 🙏

I did run the front reenforced afco's before but never my own half leaf like that. I could see where it is doing somewhat the same effect.

You know how it is Ryan. Ya gotta go with what ya got :) But yeah, rookie on composites is going to be interesting. . .

Slowly but surely Jay, we're gettin there.

I love everything dirt for sure but I do have a bit of bias towards leafs and it kinda shows. It's because the first car I ever built myself was a leafer and it's the first car I ever won in.

I've never run a pull bar with springs but could see where it could let you run a much lighter spring than normal. I couldn't afford to replace them constantly so I would re-arch my multi's every so often.

@@DIRTRACELIFE Jason it didn't just dearch the spring the guy I was getting them from thought I had run over them with a D 10 dozer they would get a twist in them, they look awful ! I run a 225 left and 175 right rear.

All that horsepower Dana! You was wrecking them suckers ;)

@@DIRTRACELIFE I guess, it had a lot to do with the pull bar after I took it off I would get almost one hole night out of them about half way through the feature I could tell they were done !

Thank you Erik, Appreciate you watching

@@DIRTRACELIFE have you ever thought of using chevy astro leaf springs? I think a lot of them are fiberglass from the factory

Now that I did not know . . . Now I need to start researching. Thanks for the tip.

Tyler,I have never seen anything but the 4.5" as well 😞

Eventually they would. The spring is hard as a rock and when a stone hits it, it chips away at the fiberglass layers. Adding multiple layers of duct tape is just adding a cushion that will absorb the blow and keep it from cutting into the fibers. But given enough time it absolutely will cut through that tape.

Yes, I ran the afco 205 left and 176 right. I liked how much beefier they were and they did hold up much better but they took some drive out of my car. If I did it again, I would have just done it on the left and kept a regular on the right.

If you are talking about the clamping clips around the leafs then yes it does help. I always removed the rear clips and let the leafs fan out on both the left and right side.

@@DIRTRACELIFE I'm pretty sure he was talking about taking it Loose from the left rear shackle

Appreciate you watching Bill

My experience is strictly track based and not applicable to street legal vehicles but I can give you a small bit of feedback: Sliders are not better but they are smoother. The rate change will be more consistent. However they are high maintenance and I would not want to use them unless I was prepared for a regular servicing plan (weekly disassembly and cleaning). The take away the rearends ability to twist and rotate side to side and for that reason they do reduce the tires ability to hold on low grip sufaces. When you move the mount point on the spring toward the center you are making a spring more efficient and linear in it's spring load as it is deflected while decreasing the springs ability to create anti-squat from torque. So it makes the vehicle be able to carry more weight but also less able to maintain grip under acceleration. I hope this helped and good luck with your mods.

@@DIRTRACELIFE Yeah, I definitely don't want to take apart anything on a street car on a weekly basis. Do you have any experience with upside-down hung shackles? Wherein the spring mount part of the shackle faces up, and by design, can allow for a LOT of drop as the shackle swings down? I've read that fast-offroad guys will do this on prerunner builds with trucks that don't already have it (Chevys do it this way) such as my Ranger, or mid 2000s Rams. If you don't have experience with them, could you provide a reasonable guess as to the extraneous effects other than allowing more droop and a lower ride height? Either way, thank you for responding so far, and I'd like to say that one of the things I plan to do to allow MORE axle rotation is to install tiltable perch plates so that as one side compresses, it doesn't bind or try to twist the springs and increase the roll stiffness. Either that, or I'll get spherical-bearing spring eye bushings that do the same. And before you say something, both designs are engineered against lateral movement, so I won't need a Panhard bar or watts link with either. OH! another thing I thought of is the revolver shackle. Crawler guys use those to get the same droop effect as the prerunner guys do, but without flipping the shackle, since it's basically a double-shackle. They also have a pivot in them to allow the springs to tilt/twist as the suspension flexes, therefore eliminating bind and potential spring snapping. Though I'm pretty sure the safer option for going fast would be the flipped shackle perch, if you have any insight on that design, it'd be appreciated as well. Wait, dangit, I thought of something else. Long vs short shackles with spring arch changes to compensate ride height. Also, overall leaf spring angle in regards to the datum line. I'd like some information on that, too, please. Thank you for your time, you have a badass ole' leafer and it looks like it drives like bat outta hell and hooks just as good as the complicated 3 and 4-link cars!

I believe there are certain year corvettes that came with them from the factory :)

I wouldn't personally. I think the parabellum would suffer on forward bite and if it's going to fatigue and then also be less effective well . . . I think it's probably not a viable option in my opinion.

I use pool noodles and zip ties on my leaf springs

I run a 62" on this camaro Stock track width on a gen II camaro is 62.250".

You are correct Donnie. They are a mono but mono just means one which is also avaliable in steel leafs. What I think I should be saying is "Composite MonoLeaf"

@@DIRTRACELIFE I notice most cars are now running coil springs on all 4 corners. I win over 200 races on leaf springs. But that was years ago. I really liked coil cars entering the corners. But leaf springs exiting. I wish the best of both....lol

James, I have never run more than 25 lbs split on my rear springs. Traditonally I would have put a 200 on the right rear but my desire for how I want the car to act and driving technic is changing so I flipped mine and have set Rachel up with a 225 rr and a 200 lr.

@@DIRTRACELIFE would this have the same effect as you running a stiffer front right spring? by running a heavier spring on the rr would it take away from the cars tendency to push ?

Yes it does free the car up on the gas.