more people have become middle lane hoggers simply because of the way drivers attitudes have changed over the last few decades, for example when you drive in the left hand lane it become extremely difficult to get back into the next lane because most other drivers are speeding and won't let you out! so you end up stuck in your lane behind a slow moving vehicle all because others are driving too fast and won't let you out into the next lane, this is why 90% of the time drivers hog the middle lane, it's far easier to get to where you are going and not have to keep waiting to be let out.

@@ptaylor5014 Middle-lane hogging is what causes the middle lane to be overly congested, not speeding

@@ptaylor5014speeding my arse! With all the cameras and average speed cameras everywhere, yeah right.

@@PointNemo9100%

Motorway driving is not even explained in the learners exam or even practised once. So most drivers don't bother reading upon motorway driving etiquette and laws after passing their test.

Even in the middle of the night, I find the M25 full of people doing 60 in lane 3 of 4. I don't know why they're so strongly attracted to that lane, but it seems dangerous crossing 3 lanes to overtake them, then 3 lanes back to the inside lane where they should have been all along.

@@rabidpbreally feel that. Honestly don’t know what the solution could be at this point.

If you can pass a car on the inside with a clear lane inbetween, that is probably safer than crossing 3 lanes and back again.

@@jchadd I agree -- if approaching with due caution, fully aware that you're in the other driver's worst blind spot. Not that those drivers ever look in their mirrors anyway.

Everyday, quicker to get home on lane 1 which is completely clear lol, it's just cringe to see

If that happened again then just ask him to point out to you what rule in the highway code are you breaking. He won't be able to give you a true answer and he'll try get you for something else.

You should not have undertaken, you should have sent you dashcam footage to the internal affairs (corresponding) of the police as well as some TV station.

Acab

When you say you undertook do you mean you then moved over so that you were directly in front of the police car? Or literally just passed them but remained in your lane, because in the latter the cop was 100% wrong

He had no right to pull you over, he was the one in breach of the law.

The most important skills to learn for motorway driving are controlling the space and spatial awareness. When you only have wing mirrors and limited visibility over your shoulder you soon learn the constant mirror scanning technique to build up 360 degree of awareness over the whole road and who's on it, knowing who's inside your blind spots is not just critical for safety but also your sanity.

@@darthwiizius absolutely, by keeping aware of the situation behind you as well as in front you make the entire process of motorway driving safer and less stressful. Just one more thing: take regular breaks. We all process the incoming information differently, so it can cause us to fatigue at different speeds, but I find that after a couple of hours on a reasonably busy motorway I need to have a time-out. I usually pre-plan longer journeys around rest stops for this very reason.

@@badcrumble1 You are clearly an aware driver mate. Non-professional drivers have a 2 hour concentration limit so should look to stop for 15 minutes out of the car after 2 hours of constant driving. Professional drivers can go up to 4.5 hours but are required to take at least half an hour away after such a stint, when you're on a tac and driving solo you're required to take a 15 minute break after 2 hours by law and you should also factor a lunch break after 4 hours with another break after 2 more hours driving after that. I've oft been forced to literally pull over for an extended period following random bouts of unexpected drowsiness. One tip I give is to down a red bull then nap, after about 45 minutes the caffeine kicks in and you wake up refreshed, at that point get out, use a lavatory, get a coffee and you're good to go nice and alert and awake.

Pretty sure it's generally accepted that undertaking requires you to change lane to pass then return to the lane. It's not overly explained well in law but that's the usual case that actually gets accepted in courts.

​@@RickyT15 nonsense, it is never safe to undertake in free flowing traffic. It literally says you should not change lanes to undertake. The only time you can undertake is in average speed zones and slow congested traffic.

That's true. On motorways, I find about 80% of the time that lane 1 with lots of heavy vehicles move faster than 2/3+ when it is congested.

Honestly it's shocking. On the 4 lane roads some of the lane 2 hoggers turn into lane 3 hoggers. What do I do? become a lane 3 hogger myself? Perform 6 lane changes? or just undertake them?

In my city if there are three lanes on the road people drive in the middle lane by default. It's not unjustified though because the right lane is usually parked up, there are bus stops almost everywhere, most crossroads have legal right turn on red and people try to keep the right lane clear to help people turn, and much more. However, people tend to carry these habits over to expressways and other roads where the right lane is clear for miles. People have a wrong idea that the middle lane is the default cruising lane unfortunately, and it causes problems on fast roads. I believe it contributes to higher congestion as well.

@@TheKeirsunishi I sometimes encounter the lane hoggers on lane 3 of 3 lanes, I just undertake in lane 2, not having any other choice. That's not our fault if we can do it safely. You don't want to stay in lane 3 doing 65 while you can do 68-70 in lane 2. Just feel safer to undertake than to follow them.

@@TheKeirsunishi If you're having to do six lane changes, then they're almost certainly Indians, as in India the speed limit drops 10 mph per lane, and that's why they're doing 60 mph in lane 3. I saw it on a documentary on India.

and most of the times indication of a lane hogger too 😆 actually, that's their regular behaviour.

Commit to your mistakes. A few extra minutes to correct safely is always better than a dangerous manoeuvre. Same on round abouts.

Yes, obviously. Never heard of driving defensively?

You have to drive defensively. The majority of people on the road are thick.

@@fukyutube2279I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, driving in the country has gone to shit, I don’t have one drive without incident now. Frequently people pull into the right lane to go 20 under the limit it seems.

Very interesting point. I have undertaken about 50 cars everyday for 30 years usually at about 20kph speed difference as slower takes a long time and faster gives them less chance to see me. The argument against undertaking that those being undertaken find it hard to switch lanes to left because they can't see out window is less of an issue these days with modern features like blind spot monitors, cameras, automatic steering intervention, semi-fisheye mirrors, brighter turn signals etc as well as more knowledgeable driving techniques like switching lanes gradually.

Even if its moving 1mph slower that you, you can still undertake. Rule 163 is advisory and not law.

​@@saundersdachicken6197must is law, should is advisory.

@@stuartcraigon2003 So is "do/do not" advise. The only words written in The Highway Code that are legal requirements are Must and Must Not.

@saundersdachicken6197 no that's not true. Do/do not are law as well, same as must/must nor.

Congratulations on passing!

Same here, passed today. Still finding advice and tips to better myself

Didnt ask

@@ayowhat6139 Keep trying on that licence you'll get it someday kid

8 years since I passed my test and I still watch videos like this. It's always good to refresh everything you have learned.

That's fantastic news! Thank you for watching and congratulations on passing!

Well done and congrats.

I’ve read “with no mirrors!” at first

@@amateusz2137 LOL the opposite was definitely needed 😅

mariabrii9564 - Well done, now you begin learning how to drive. Tragically they don't teach you motorway driving apart from a little theory. Take my advice when you drive on a motorway take an experienced motorway driver with you and they will give you advice and help you feel at ease on a busy motorway which can be terrifying to a new driver.

Last person that undertook me when I was doing the legal speed limit ended up totaling his car on the center lane. It is a dumb move that many inexperienced drivers tend to make. Do it at your own risk

@@gerrylast i think in this instance Gerry, one has to ask themselves “why someone would be willing to undertake them?” What situation had you created that made that person want to willingly undertake you? I don’t create the opportunity to be undertaken. I keep left. Especially as there is always going to be a faster person wanting to pass and I’m not going to hold them up over a small minded principle. You want be to in front or get passed. Be my guest. I drive at my own risk every day Gerry. Everyone around me is as much a moron as me when on the road. I just don’t entertain moving from lane 1 to lane 3 and back to lane 1 just to overtake someone on lane 2. Especially when cruising at the speed limit. Which I purposely do when undertaking. As that’s what we all should be doing on a motorway. Lorries don’t want to leave lane 1. But they will if you’re not doing the speed limit. I witnessed someone be pulled over for lane hogging this week funnily enough. They only moved over to lane 1 when the cop car approached them. Funny that!

"legal speed limit" is such a great way of saying you were hogging the lane. It's obvious if someone undertook you that you had room to get back into the left lane and choose not to. Probably because you were, as you say it, "doing the legal speed limit" and refused to believe you were doing anything wrong.

If there is room for someone to undertake, then there is room for the idiot sat in the outer lane to move in.

​@@gerrylast Doesn't matter what speed you were doing. If someone passed you on your left hand side and it wasn't heavy traffic then you were in the wrong lane.

But you're not undertaking. Your obligation is to move back to the leftmost lane after overtaking any vehicle, so that's what you're doing. That you're then moving faster in the leftmost lane than the other traffic to your right is irrelevant, you're not undertaking.

Agreed!

He said undertaking is only allowed in congested traffic. Ask him to explain up to what speed is congested traffic. That would be very helpfull.

Thankfully we can legally do the speed limit in any lane, and the only thing potentially illegal is dangerously driving around right turning traffic. On the M4 lights on and 110 km/h in the left lane past the bogans in the centre lane and whatever is going on in the right is often the fastest option, watching out for someone heading off.

I always undertake immediately, I see absolutely no reason not to. Have undertaken (in empty lane 1 of motorway) about 16 cars in one go before. No chance I’m gonna sit behind people doing 60mph for no reason.

@RobJT I mean, that's fine if you don't care about your wellbeing or the wellbeing of anyone else.

Excellent video. Would be nice if you mentioned motorcycles lane splitting and promote more car drivers awareness?

If they're doing 70 mph in the lane, they're technically not hogging though. This is where so many drivers with their misplaced self-entitlement go wrong and are actually stressing themselves out over nothing. Technically, the car you're so eager to overtake is doing you a favour.

@@Vic13thRacing how does it affect anyone’s wellbeing?

That's great news! Congratulations on passing!

Congratulations!

Ashley Neal said undertaking is legal but is classed as careless driving. When questioned what he meant by this he didn't or just couldn't answer.

​@@JohnFarrell-bc8gtIt's one of those where there's no specific traffic law to forbid it (plenty think there is), but doing it could be classed as careless driving etc. if you cause issues. There's also the 'didn't follow Highway Code advice so is liable' issue to be aware of.

@@TheCatBilbo Any manouver could be classed as careless driving if and only if it is done carelessly. If you cut in front of another car whether it be right or left that would be classed as CD and not what's done after that like overtaking, or turning right or left.

You will probably find they don't actually own the car,often being on some sort of hire or bank loan.

@@jablot5054 Most people who aren't using their blinker are the one driving piece of trash, probably like you.

It's very simple, unless overtaking you should be on the inside lane. I only indicate when overtaking, no requirement to indicate when returning to the inside lane as it should be done automatically.

Same with me. Was the other guys fault and his insurance (admiral) were brilliant. I had the money in three days over the weekend

Just about the only accurate and correct comment here

There is a difference between PASSING on the left, ie: maintaining speed, and UNDER taking.

I agree. I welcome vlogs like this but I think they can blind people with information. It’s all very well quoting the Highway Code sections but as we all know, the codes are not necessarily a definitive statement of the law (rather often best practice), even though their non-observance could be used as possible evidence of careless/dangerous driving. I think the summary given by the police instructor is straightforward and simple - and let’s face it, most of us can identify a deliberate over/undertake when we see it (versus passing slower traffic on our right which thanks to drivers’ infatuation with staying in lane 3 means that 9/10 times there’s less traffic in lane 1). If you can’t identify that then you’re probably the problem and won’t take any notice of this vlog anyway

"Do not overtake on the left OR move to a lane on your left to overtake" - this gives equal weight to both of your scenarios. The distinction made by your police driver in the 80s is not supported by the Highway Code. The only scenario in which the HC supports passing on the left is in congestion. Rightly or wrongly, according to the HC you should always pass on the right if you can, otherwise you're opening yourself up to the careless driving law.

@@Dayboot33 or you can be doing 70 in lane 1 and come up to the masses in lanes 2 & 3 one after another at 60 (as they often tend to be as people think lane 1 is for lorries) and slow down all the traffic behind you to 60 to avoid passing them. Arguably driving without consideration to those behind you then !! Arguably up to the point you catch them up, you’re the only one driving as you should be - if the traffic is amassed at a slower speed in lanes 2 & 3, many are probably not complying with the HC by being there in the first place as they should only be in those lanes if overtaking …..

I’m guessing you’ve been on the receiving end of an angry undertaking car?

My advice is get away from them ASAP. I almost got rear ended because the guy in front of me was crawling for no reason in the fast lane People don't realise driving slowly on the motorway can be just as dangerous as driving fast

This is one of the reasons I mostly do motorways at 65mph now on cruise control. It's fast enough to justify overtaking trucks, but slow enough to extract yourself from the world of the angry tailgaters.

@@system11yt you're part of the problem, the speed limit is 70.

@@sameoldshit745 You can use the lanes to the right of me, plenty of people for you to tailgate there.

You won't be prosecuted. Rules 163 and 268 allow for passing on the left. Motorcyclists are allowed to filter for the same reason.

@@MyMednas 👍

I don't care. If I go in the first lane and it's clear and there's a bellend hogging the middle I just carry on. If police don't police lane hogging I doubt they would be bothered to police undertaking (unless it's actually careless) ie. jumping lanes and driving aggressively. I once witnessed a police car on a motorway in the night time going in 1st lane, getting up to a middle lane hogger, moving to middle lane behind them, staying there for a few seconds, turning their blue becons on (not in the flashing mode, just their solid blue dimmed lights), they were ignored. so they overtook in the 3rd lane, moved back to 1st and carried on. the hogger stayed where they were XD

It's a nonsense "rule" that is never enforced, and rightly so. If I'm driving along at 60 on a 60 limit road, and someone in the lane to my right is sitting there, hogging the lane at 50mph, I'm not going to slow to his speed just to maintain this ridiculous logic. I have no intention of over or undertaking him, I simply want to continue my jourmey, in the left lane, at a legal speed, and with no-one in front of me who might require me to enter the hogged lane in order to pass them.

@@Teeb2023 What's even more stupid about it is all driving instructors tell their students its only allowed in slow moving/congested traffic. They in turn tell younger drivers this rubbish. The law on illegal undertaking was removed from the Statue Books in 1972. No excuse for not knowing this.

yeah but how often does anyone genuinely break down, it's a ridiculous example

@@specialcircs not really ridiculous though is it. If people follow the rules everyone wins here

hardly ever a car just breaks down and stops. it often gives symptoms first. so what is a driver with breaking down car doing in the middle lane in the first place? all the examples scrutinizing undertaking are results of other party's careless driving. it's like saying, do not overtake on the right because someone might swerve into your lane without looking and you'll be to blame!

Had that a few times. Until I see both headlights of a truck or van in my rear view mirror I won't move back over. Both headlights ensures you have left enough space for the truck you've just overtaken to stop in an emergency.

@@stuartcraigon2003 This, exactly.

@PedroConejo1939 a lot of my driving standards and thinking comes from driving a truck. It's amazing how much more aware and considerate you become when you learn to drive a truck. Another example of this is that I ALWAYS hang back behind the trailer of a truck if I'm in the outside lane at a roundabout. It's common sense, respect for the driver and makes his or her life that little bit easier. I once saw the outcome of not doing it. It was the opposite and a car had tried to squeeze between a truck turning right at a roundabout and a crash barrier. He failed and the trailer crushed his car, so much so he popped out the sunroof like a jack in the box! 🫣

You have to have spatial awareness and control the space around your vehicle. Part of that is controlling the space that others may need to access, look for people positioning to move left and open the gap and let them in with a flash of the lights. It not only helps them but it makes your journeys less stressful. If a [Audi] driver chops in front of your bumper instead of concentrating on the twat reopen your braking space instead, it'll destress you faster and you'll be controlling the space around your vehicle. This is why I believe that motorway tuition should be a legal requirement after passing the test and before a license is issued, the first thing I did in Jan 1990 after my test was book motorway tuition as I had never driven on one before, I have never stopped doing what I was taught.

@@darthwiizius Yea, after learning more from observing and trying to predict what others are doing, it became easier to plan ahead to leave room and be ready to avoid or evade potential conflicting moves from others. The more I learnt, the more I felt that this need to be make aware more to new drivers, just following the rule is not enough. And the more I learnt from this channel, the more I feel sad at the state of driver's mentality in my country, most people just don't think about what others are doing and they ended up in road rage or dangerous undertaking or just mindlessly following the rule without taking human factors into account.

@@worawatli8952 It ain't just in your country mate, it's everywhere. People in general drive blind because their short term "needs" are "more important" than just concentrating on what they are doing in real time. You seem like a very thoughtful driver, it'll help you keep your sanity methinks.

Rule 168 of the Highway Code covers this. It specifically says that speeding up when someone is trying to overtake you is dangerous. People doing that could certainly get themselves a ticket.

The A249 is synonymous for lane hoggers as well high speed drivers. I know the stretch you’re referring to. I don’t like that bit of road. Same with the junction to Maidstone. It’s awful.

You can pass on the left for cars turning right, or in any case if the cars on your right are going slower. Rule 163. In the scenario you described it would be not be breaking the highway code. Similarly exit lanes on motorways, you are not expected to slow down below the traffic in lane 2 going straight on.

You are not breaking any law by overtaking on the left (undertaking). Undertaking hasn't been illegal for over half a century.

@@MyMednas You can pass on the left whether the car to your right is turning right or not. Undertaking can legally be done up to the speed limit.

Cruise control means more lane hogging too. Just pass them on the left, it's not illegal, lane hogging is. If you come up against a slow vehicle in the left lane, overtake it on the right as usual and pull back in. That's not weaving, that's using the motorway correctly as we've always been told :Keep left! If others refuse to do so, that's their look out.

@@markl8740 Yup, unless otherwise indicated by markings/signage you should always move left if the lane is open and a safe space is available. It's acceptable to move right to avoid obstacles, examples include moving out to open the left lane to traffic coming down a slip road.

@darthwiizius All entirely correct

If you're in the middle lane and you're doing 70 mph, you're not driving too fast and you're technically doing nothing wrong. If you can't get out of Lane 1, you are doing something wrong, maybe you don't trust the power of your vehicle? I personally have no problems accelerating and switching lanes, but if I had a sluggish motor, I can see what the concern would be. People lack assertiveness on motorways and their indecisiveness is what actually makes them dangerous. I see this on motorway entry from the slip road nearly every day, people slow right down when they should be maintaining their speed at the fork and just be ready to cover the break, it's extremely dangerous and winds me up. Many of them should just stick to the B roads.

Isn't it the same in UK?

While some may argue the UK approach is better, what it produces are drivers that make assumptions and thus don't check their surroundings more. In Russia, and many other countries, youre forced to be more aware of everything around you. I'd rather be an alert driver than one who assumes.

@@fatkev1983 Russia has much much higher car crash rates per 100 drivers than UK. So much for muh alertness. Rules >>>> Alertness

@@fatkev1983 UK driving standards are orders of magnitude better than Russia. UK standards are probably one of the highest in the world and Uk drivers are far more aware than most motorists in other countires. In Europe drivers drive way too fast, and in the US very few people indicate when changing lanes despite the culture of undertaking.

@@hencole Places like Germany are generally better than us. They are quick but typically very aware. Speed in itself isn't an issue if people are concentrating/aware.

do you have a specific law in russia concerning invading other countries?

Yeah, not a chance I’m doing that, especially if I’m on the motorbike.

Then go back into the left hand lane & do the speed limit. Pretty simple really.

@conquerdriving is wrong. In those circumstances, as long as you maintain your speed and the car in left hand land is going slower than you, then you can undertake them.

@@ian6451 Well, by the letter of the law you can keep up with traffic in your lane, even if it means passing slower vehicles to the right, but what if you're the only car around apart from the one going slowly in the overtaking lane? You're not so much keeping up with traffic as deciding which speed to drive.

@@KindredBrujah AS long as youb are not changing spped then just carry on. You are driving 70mph, you eventually encounter middlelane hogger, carry on doing 70 in your lane. Thats the law.

Or hand your licence back

@@richardclarke9966 can't hand something I don't own, I'm still a learner driver but nice assumption though

@@Oumajiii people love spouting out "hand ur licence" as if they are perfect drivers themselves 🤣🤣

@@testval Basic laws of the road 🙄

@@richardclarke9966 recite me the entire highway code otherwise I think u should hand ur licence mate

Agree. But these are the people that dont USE their mirrors anyway and have absolutely no roadcraft skills besides.

@@MS-tm2yz Those people exist. Therefore it matters not what others do, it matters what YOU do to avoid getting caught in their inevitable accident.

Good suggestion. Driving in the UK is straightforward, just busier than some areas, other countries. Do not ignore marked pedestrian crossings. You can download the UK Highway Code.

Be extra careful at roundabouts and junctions. The traffic on the driver's side will be coming from the left instead of the right. You just need to concentrate a bit more at first. A few years ago, there was an unfortunate case of an American woman who drifted onto the wrong side of the road and killed an oncoming motorcyclist. Even worse, she claimed (dubious) diplomatic immunity and ran off back to America without facing the consequences of her action.

@rjeffm1 One thing to remember is the Gas station pump handle colours are different, in the UK green is *unleaded petrol* and black is *diesel.*

😂😂😂 dangerous, never seen a collision in 50 years of driving in Australia where undertaking is legal! In fact if you hog the right lane if the speed limit is over 80 kph you get booked not the undertaker. When I drive in the UK I undertake. If you are stupid enough not to watch what the other road users are up too, you shouldn’t drive. Talk about a Nanny State!

@@austiwollongongwolf I'm from Thailand, the rule is close to UK, undertaking is not illegal and you won't ever get fined for it, but doing so, the action would be taken into determining who is at fault when accident happened. And it is crazy chaos, slow hoggers and really fast undertakers and insane motorbike riders all doing things at the same time. rofl

@@austiwollongongwolfaussie hooligan

Police use such techniques to usher lane hoggers out of the way. They will pull right up behind you and drop back. They will do this a few times. If the driver doesn't pull over, they'll flash their headlights while doing it. Failing to notice that, expect the blue lights, getting pulled over and getting a serious talking to. Traffic cops have no time for slow drivers that create dangerous situations on fast roads.

Whoever the driver is, tailgating is unsafe and should not be used for communication. If by magic everyone stopped tailgating for a whole year, it would be interesting to see how the accident figures on high speed roads change.

@@ConquerDriving I hear you and I agree. But, lets me honest, the worst tailgaters aren't the bullying ones that choose to tailgate on occasion to send a point across (not condoning their actions either)... its those people who habitually tailgate at all times regardless of conditions. A lot of people need re-educating and sadly those people only get it when they bump into the back of someone else. I dread to think how fast they wear down their tyres, brakes, and waste petrol driving so close. It promotes anything but smooth efficient driving. The number of times people get close to the back of me when I am driving a manual car and using engine braking... and its not young or new drivers... its those of us with a decade and more under our belts. I think everyone would benefit from periodically being made to drive a vintage car for a reminder, hahaha! Doesn't even need to be THAT old - my 2004 MR2 would reinstate the fear and respect people should give to driving!

well said

Undertaking just because the person to the right is not driving the speed limit is dangerous. He explained this in the video.

@@SamOwenI Eventually no-one's making any progress if you do that though, and it's _far_ more likely to have impatient drivers doing something _really_ dangerous instead of the just slightly risky undertake.

@@KindredBrujah a polite flash of the lights should be all that's required. Again, this is mentioned in the video...

@@SamOwenI not in an impatient way. Yes you're in their blind spot but I'm not talking about speeding up to purposely undertake. I'm talking about if I'm in the left hand lane doing 70 and someone in the overtaking lane is doing 60 (for some reason). I don't do it but I don't see it's a big deal to keep going at 70 past them. Especially if they show no intentions of moving back over as you should. They would see me approaching them in their mirror before the blindspot.

@@scottishSloth I don't know, I think I would move to the right lane if I really wanted to overtake someone going at 60. Otherwise I would drop back and stay at 60

Unless you're keeping up with the speed of your lane when the road is congested with traffic then you should overtake on the right.

It’s so frustrating and scary when it happens on the motorway. You’re in the left lane with a lorry behind you and someone’s hogging the middle lane. You’re supposed to slow down to match the middle lane hogger’s speed (the driver behind you will love that with their stopping distance), and move across two lanes (assuming someone in lane 3 lets you out), and then move back to lane two, overtaking the hogger, and back to lane one. So many potentially dangerous manoeuvres because of one selfish driver.

​@@AbbyNormal83 Yep, sometimes if it's safe to do so I will move across three lanes to overtake them to make a point, and more often than not the middle lane hogger will realise and move to the left lane. Way too many license holders who don't know the basic rules of the highway code.

​@@AbbyNormal83makes no sense. Why would you slow down to overtake the lane hogger? Just pull out into lanes two and three and overtake the slower travelling lane hogger as you approach them. No need to reduce your speed.

But if you are in HGV you can't overtake by the right (3 lanes)@@ConquerDriving

Correct

Not in the UK you're not! It'll be your left, their right.

He doesnt mention up to what speed is "congested" traffic. He also says undertaking is done on on a dual carraigeway, He even says passing a vehicle on it's left hand side on a single carraigeway it's not considered undertaking. He is wrong on that also.

Pass when safe to do so, if you’re moving into a lane where an approaching car is moving faster than you are and the manoeuvre can’t be completed safely without hindering the flow of traffic wait for them to pass. I can’t believe that in the space it takes to overtake a single HGV safely a shoulder check wouldn’t have resulted in you seeing the approaching car before manoeuvring into lane 2 unless they were going 30-50 mph over the speed limit or visibility was extremely poor. Additionally, based on your comment; the HGV was travelling at ~50mph and so were you, the speed difference meant you weren’t in fact performing an overtaking manoeuvre and were instead hogging the lane, keeping a similar (perhaps minutely faster) pace for a prolonged period. You said it yourself “while overtaking a lorry at 50 in a 50mph section of 2 lane motorway”. To quote the Highway Code and an increasing number of highway gantry’s and roadside dot matrix signs aimed at drivers such as yourself “keep left unless overtaking”. I’m afraid you’re part of the problem. A four mile overtake is unnecessary and hindering the flow of traffic. Don’t assume your speedo is accurate, there is a valid reason for the 10% + 2 leniency with speeding fines, your speedo may say 50 where the driver behind may perceive you travelling at 43 based on their own speedo. The only accurate speedo on U.K. roads which is tested and certified are those in police vehicles. More over If they were speeding and are travelling through an average speed check zone they will get a ticket.

@@TheRg191 the motorway is on several bends in succesion to go around mountains here in Wales, the HGV was doing between 45 to 50 because of the hill we were also climbing. yes on a normal motorway at 70 mph speed limit then it would be classed as lane hogging, and I wouldn't disagree but when there is a speed difference and you are already alongaide an HGV you are overtaking it is not lane hogging. snd it is not lane hogging when there was enough of a speed difference between car and truck, and the car is going at maximum speed for the road/conditions/speed limit no gantry signs. it is an enforced speed limit sign with a MASSIVE RED CIRCLE.

as for the speedo it is around 2mph out if you look at a sat nav. and also speed check signs at 30. but when you value your licence like holding a licence for your job like I don't know being a truck driver then I would rather keep it thank-you, so no not speeding up for a tit in a fast car. because the camera catches both cars speeding if the speedo is out the wrong way. things like tyre pressures, distance around bends, heat of the cable, tyre sizes can all make the difference over a couple of hundred metres.

@@michaelthomas3646 GPS speed measurement isn’t accurate, UK courts view GPS recorded speeds for the purpose of evidence as up to 80% inaccurate, by U.K. law as with all speedometer devices no GPS speed can legally underreport, most over estimate: “This is a huge problem and the same error can develop in both directions: The Tracker Report can also report very high speeds that are inaccurate. Our own analysis of actual Tracker Reports, in real-world cases, revealed errors that are as high as 80%” so no device in your car is giving an accurate reading and by all accounts is more likely to be reporting a higher speed than lower.

@@michaelthomas3646 if the speed limit is restricted to 50 and you’re overtaking at 50 you are not making sufficient progress; there is not a sufficient difference in speed. If you were passing a truck doing 50 on a motorway at 70mph you’re making sufficient progress, if you’re reaching the indicated speed limit which is within range of the speed the HGV is travelling you aren’t overtaking anything. You can’t agree with the principal and then contradict yourself a sentence later. You were lane hogging, impeding the flow of traffic and someone was frustrated by it. No driver is perfect and we all make mistakes. He was overly aggressive and you were impeding the flow of traffic unnecessarily. Your attitude to other drivers on the road speaks volumes “not speeding up for a tit in a fast car” says it all. You aren’t expected to speed up for other road users, you are however expected to think ahead and drive defensively and not to impede the flow of traffic, if your overtake is going to be done at a handful of MPH higher than lane one traffic and is slow enough to have to consider traffic over successive bends on the M4 don’t even begin to move into lane 2 without expecting to annoy someone.

Emily has had other commitments and been unable to do lessons. We plan to start lessons again in the future.

@@ConquerDriving I see, looking forward to her coming back!

@@ConquerDrivinglol she couldn’t learn Brootal!

I got pissed off with a HGV driver yesterday on the inside lane because he was doing about 65 mph when there was an on the fly speed warning for all traffic to slow to 50 mph due to something going on ahead, and my exit was about half a mile to the left of him; I was in the middle lane. I started slowing down and signalled left well in advance and was looking for him to slow down so I could go infront and turn off, but he wasn't slowing and was now illegally blocking the left lane I needed to get onto by virtue of the speed he was still going at. He left it really late to start slowing down enough for me to overtake at legal speed, literally right before the slip road, so I sped up and went infront of him (still legally at the advised speed) and he repeatedly flashed me as though I'd somehow done something wrong, which just really irritated me. HGV and Commercial Van drivers are amongst some of the worst on the road, I hate being behind or around any of them.

@@Longlostpuss well I can assure you he wasn’t doing 65……all limited to 56. Secondly your car speedo will be reading 2 to 5mph UNDER the actual speed. So your speedo said 50 but you’re actually doing 45 to 48. Speedos in trucks are accurate because they are calibrated due to the tachograph, so his speedo would indicate 50 mph and he’s doing 50 mph. Thirdly he’s under zero obligation to slow down to allow you to take the exit because your poor planning now means that you’re approaching the exit you want and you having moved to the left behind the truck, absolutely nothing to stop you from slowing down and slotting in behind the truck. Fourthly it’s not YOUR exit as you called it, it’s an exit that everyone is entitled to use and it’s their own responsibility to plan for the conditions and get themselves into the correct lane. So before you criticise anyone else on the road I’d take a serious look at your own driving ability if you’re incapable of positioning yourself in the correct lane and expect everyone else to give way to you, that’s not how the Highway Code works. What is quite unbelievable is the lack of knowledge and self importance from people such as yourself. Hope this helps 👍🏻

@@Longlostpuss I really fail to see why you thought slowing down more and going behind the truck wasn’t an option for you. You actually think you’re that important that others should give way to you when they have no legal requirement to do so.

@@aquanick2001 I know exactly how speedos are calibrated thanks and trucks can definitely go faster than 60 mph (most can hit 80 mph), they're just not allowed to do it and not allowed to move outside of Lane 1. You're basically suggesting every single HGV out there has a limiter chip in them???? Right away you've lost this debate just on that, it's invalidated your argument. But again, he didn't slow down to 50 mph, that was clear, because I was slowing down from 70 mph in the middle lane to 50 mph and he was ahead of me when I dropped to 50 mph. I also already told you the slip road was half a mile ahead, that's more than plenty of time to plan and manoeuvre, what are you talking about???? If the truck had slowed down to 50 mph as he was supposed to, I could have moved lanes infront without an issue, because I was already going faster. However, I couldn't do it because he wasn't slowing down after the sign like I was, so I ended up going slower than the truck and therefore he was definitely still maintaining closer to 60 mph. It's not safe to slow down in the middle lane below 50 mph when there's cars behind you, I don't know what you're talking about. I couldn't gamble on what speed the truck was doing, I had no clue what the driver was doing, but he was not driving at the instructed speed, that was for sure. neither of us knew what was up ahead, so he was dangerous for not slowing a flippin truck down, there could have been an accident ahead for all we knew. Either way, I was forced to overtake right at the last, that's not my problem, I'm not missing the only slip road I could take for the next 20 miles just because of some moron who can't read a clear road sign nor see someone signalling because he can't move his head 45 degrees to look to his right. I didn't say it was my road as in it belongs to me, I meant I needed to take that slip road and some dick was blocking me off when the motorway wasn't even busy, he could have just slowed down in Lane 1 and let me go in front, going behind was not an option with a car behind me, he had nothing behind him. Without that 50 mph sign, there probably wouldn't have been an issue, but the fact is it applies to everyone, the driver thought it didn't apply to him. So don't try to condescend me as if I don't know the rules of the road, I've been driving for well over 20 years.

If you were to ask the same idiots do they hog the outside lanes they'd all say no and criticise others.