This is like asking how many toddlers you could beat in a fight lotr edition

"How many Hobbits can Sauron kill?" "How many Hobbits are there in the Shire?"

Sauron killed 2136 points of hobbits. Without magic. Without banner. I think this shows how insanely efficient Sauron is, and how thankfull we should be that that there are so many scenarios with objectives

My favorite part of this is seeing the pain behind both of their eyes as they realize that they might be stuck rolling those dice forever.

My favorite part of the books. When Sauron lays waste to all of the Shire

I know like, realistically sauron was using his big mace or whatever, but I reaaaally want to believe that every time he took down a hobbit he was actually just punting them into the distance, and it was actually only like 100 hobbits total but they kept running back to the fight and eventually his legs got too tired.

This is a hilarious video idea. The only time I’ve played against Sauron it was retrieve the prize and he picked the prize up. Brutal game as everyone tried to kill Sauron and he smashed everyone.

Loved this. Different and fun from standard bat reps. More like this please. Say smaug or balrog vs unlimited dwarves

You guys need to do a fellowship campaign or a fantasy fellowship campaign. It would he awesome.

Great video, but you forgot an important rule. Terror. Chances are that not all those hobbits will be able to charge Sauron. And that can make a huge difference, if Sauron is only fighting say 3 at a time, he might not be killing as many, or at least not as many as quickly. But also it makes it harder for the Hobbits to take wounds as they can't always rely on huge numbers of dice rolls, but also, Sauron might not get trapped every time if say only 1 Hobbit successfully charges. I see why you didn't do it (if you purposefully chose to avoid terror) because it would take like 2-3 times longer. But its definitely worth considering that the outcome could have been radically different had you played with terror

This was hilarious, my kids just started playing over new years and actually asked this question so i'm playing this for them when theyre home from school XD

We want to see Smaugh vs Hobbits and then Sauron vs Smaug! Great video guys :D

This was very fun 🤣 congratulations 👏 I'm very much looking forward to the new Kickstarter project 👌

I did not know I needed this, but so glad you decided to do the video.

I always love these goofy "who would win" style match ups. Great vid lads!

Very entertaining, this is the sort of solo game I would have during school holidays. Did you consider making the hobbits take courage tests for charging Sauron ? Imagine having to roll eight pairs of dice every turn for that, grim.

Brilliant and very entertaining. Who's next to feel the fury of the Hobbits? Smaug or the Balrog?

Predictions were 650 and 400. In the end 532 is nicely close to the middle of both estimations = 525. It means that together you were exactly right!

I don't remember the scouring of the shire being like this

This was a really cool video and good idea for content! I backed your last two projects. I hope to back this one too. Not sure my 3d printer will be able to handle these, though. They may be too tall for me.

Hhaha this was pretty great, must of been a toil rolling all those dice

The commitment... Bravo!!

Thanks conquest creations for keeping me inexplicably gripped for 15 minutes of hobbit-smashing.

So good, love this stuff 😂

We killed him in the first Edition of the game with Farmer Margot

That was awesome!

I imagine all that hobbit gore would be a bitch to clean up. The shires few survivors are the real losers.

Nice Sauron power

Now do Smaug haha

I guess that all the hobbits have axes and doing pircing strikes? Because you can not wound with S2 against D10

Just become my favorite mesbg battle report!

This is so wierd that i find this video today. Was literally on about how many hobbits could you take for points of Sauron. Train of thought led me to thinking of this exact thing. Least now I know lol.

This insanity is why a pay for internet!

Id be interested in seeing how many Numenorean adjacent models Sauron can kill. How deadly was he really on the battlefield during the first war of the ring?

wow haha thats commitment. I want to see what 500 hobbits on a board looks like. should photoshop and image xD

Do Smaug vs Hobbits come ooooooon it'll be awesome lmfao.

The War of the Ring if Gandalf was a communist commissar, one shovel per 5 hobbits.

Impressive, very nice soo what about sauron pre nerf?

in our next episode we have a baneblade vs unlimited gretchin in a shooting battle.

This is just the cover of DOOM, with Sauron replacing Doomguy, and the hobbits replacing the demons.

This has so much series potential.

Doing the math behind this: The average number of hobbits killed would be ~482.3. The median number of Hobbits killed would be ~330.7. Hobbits have a ~41.06% chance to win the fight, and need 28 wounds to kill Sauron on average, causing ~4/9 of a wound on average on a win with 16 strikes, it would take ~63 victories for the Hobbits to kill Sauron. In that time, Sauron would win ~90-91 rounds (~153.4 rounds average), killing ~5.333 hobbits in each win. The median number of wounds needed is ~19.2, so in over half of the tests, Sauron would go down after ~43.2 hobbit victories, during which, Sauron would win ~62 combats. As you can guess, the standard deviation here is quite large, as it could easily take an extra 10+ wounds for Sauron to go down. The result in the video of 532 hobbits is only a bit higher than the average at 532 dead hobbits, and well within expected deviation. This test had very close to the median number of expected ring saves, but the hobbits causing significantly less successful wounds, winning less combats, and/or Sauron killing a bit more than the expected number of hobbits, resulting in very close to the average expected number of rounds.

This is better than test cricket

Awesome, how about fantassy fellowship with viwere voted members?

How long did this take? I hope you gave up moving the hobbits into base contact and as casualties. In theory you could do this with just 8 hobbit models by keeping Sauron surrounded and make note of the hobbit deaths.

No courage tests to charge? And no magic?

All of them.

This is just one play through though. You should repeat this experiment a few times to get a solid average.

Is this referencing the FB post that came up with this idea? Maybe it was you guys but it would be awesome if they were given credit 👍

Funny :D

Can't the ones in the back all throw rocks or have any ranged attacks? Not familiar with this game but I feel like this should be at least possible to help.

Some two handed weapons would have made it more fun

If sauron doesnt kill 400 points of hobbits then hes a rip off.

Great video but now with smaug and balrog

Shame Sauron isn’t typically that good in actually battles. Find he gets nullified quit easily by some hero’s like Gil galad etc and gets tied up easily. Never seen him deal real damage in a battle. Not like an Azog or bolg eyc

Play Crusader Kings 3. Play with LOTR total overhaul mod. You can murder and conquer as many hobbits as you want.

Smaugs base would =death lol

@ConquestCreations Hello, I am a software engineer, and I'd like to write a program to run this simulation a million times, and see what the stats are (min, max, average, median). Unfortunately, I don't play LotR:SBG, though I am a wargamer. This is what I was able to glean from the video, could someone please fill in the gaps for me? To see who gets to attack, Sauron rolls 4d6, hobbits roll 8d6; high roller gets to attack, Sauron wins ties. It looks like this is the single highest die, not the sum, is this correct? Sauron gets 8 attacks, hitting on 3+ Hobbits get 16 attacks, hitting on 6 followed by a 6 Resolving hits on Sauron: If it's the last wound, he has a 2+ save. He can spend a Might to reroll this, starting with 3 Might. I don't know how to read the statbar, is his starting number of wounds 5 or 6? Resolving hits on hobbits: They die. Thank you!

how many hobbirs can the balrog kill??

I think testing the dice by floatation method before this kind of trial is important.

Im i missing something but strength 2 can not wound defence 10 at all?

Smaug vs hobbits?

No credit to the original post of this idea?

Haven’t watched it yet, but S2 can’t hurt D10. Edit: I have watched it, and you guys unfortunately missed the mark on the wound table. Sauron literally can’t be wounded in this fight.

S2 can't wound D10 guys....😅😅😅

This just feels offensive for short people. Like cmon man

Sorry, not my thing - too boring

Hi Jacob, this is a great match up. Thanks for the suspense and thrill of the watch.