I agree. Sounds awesome in the genesis.

Agreed. Best sampled drums I've heard out of the Sega Genesis and the FM synthesis sounds really nice and clear without being too twangy.

It does have some amazing tracks. The underwater boss theme, the post apocalyptic looking world, and that amazing drum heavy track.

one of my all time favorite osts

I can back you on this!

Thx, I've waited for this episode from the begging of the channel but I will watch it tomorrow cuz the premiere will be at 3 am :/

1:36 looked like something out of The Exorcist. But yeah, a great episode.

Fantastic review! You guys did your homework & it shows.

Thanks!

I think Batman Forever is next.

Yeah, a surprisingly cleaver joke. Don't have too many of those.

True

Next time you feel really down and need some cheering up, try some air humping with your friends. I hear it has a 99% success rate!

Inspired by one of my friends who used to do that. lol

@@ConsoleWars haha yeah i think we all get to that stage when you get 99% through something and you fall or something stupid kills you.

When Dan turns to look at him in that slow motion infested with rage look was also pretty hilarious.

We like to think so

We need more porn related stuff.

​@@DUKETACTICS333 bro

​@@DUKETACTICS333AYO

I like that!

Too bad you already did Doom. You could have done the same with a Jaguar fan and had the future guy take that instead.

But the TG-16 version of Street Fighter 2 is the best home port.

@@ConsoleWars Bomberman maybe?

Just imagine: "I'm Nintendo" "And I'm Sega" And suddenly, a third guy appears from behind the couch "And I'm Turbo" Both Pat and Dan gaze at him in surprise, look again towards the camera, visibly confused and then, after a couple of seconds all three shout: "THIS IS CONSOLE WARS!"

You keep coming back, we'll keep making them.

It turned out to be "coming over there" in the end tho

it sounds even better without that strange compression effect on it.

a lot of these things are archaic throwbacks to cheap coin-guzzling arcade tactics. It took until way past the 90's for developers to realise that there was literally no advantage to having these in home games.

The exact same thing happens in Sonic games, the levels are huge and i kinda understand why there is a time limit cuz, you know, gotta go fast, but is till annoying.

@@Urmrgay955 It's like racing games with checkpoint timers. The game keeps track of what position I'm in, so why not let me finish the race? Or at least keep racing until X number of cars cross the finish line and I lose. On an arcade machine, a timer sort of makes sense because they don't want someone taking an hour to play the game, but on home games, timers are pointless. They only serve to artificially increase the difficulty. Sometimes I imagine being able to follow the developers around and impose arbitrary time limits on everything they do. "You have 60 seconds to use the bathroom. You have 7 seconds to go up these stairs. You have 3 seconds to dial that phone number. You have 3 minutes to eat lunch."

A timer is a really good way to force you to improve at the controls of the game.

Thank you again sir! You continue to give us fuel.

You do us all a great favor. Keep the games flowing!

As you should!

That sounds like something that could be fixed; If only you had some scented oil sticks. *Super Sticks©*

Dan is darn good at writing music.

Glad we kept you guessing til the end.

It’s so beautiful, just as amazing as the soundtrack. Also speaking of the soundtrack, 5-1 is one of the most world shattering songs I’ve ever heard

I wanted the sprite too look like that

All Console Versions are Linear as Hell, no Fun to Play ...

@@AMIGABLUEBIRD The best of the console versions is Mega Turrican. Yeah, its more linear, but its a solid game. It was later ported to the amiga as Turrican 3. The NES super turrican is decent too, it was made by the original creator and has levels like que first 2 games.

Static Substance depends. From the reviews I’ve seen on KZfaq the games look that smidgen worse, and you have to push up on the joystick to jump, right?

@@sloppynyuszi Well, they look different, because they are earlier games, however I would say that Turrican 2 visual quality is good enough that it becomes more about crisp Turrican 2 style vs rich Mega Turrican style choice than quality itself. Many Amiga games in general often have 2 issues when compared to console games - wonky controls or animation, but Turrican is actually ok here. Jumping with joystick up is perfectly fine, it depends more on a game's implementation and gameplay design if that input method is ok or not, and in case of Turrican it works quite well. In general jump button is more accurate while joystick up is quicker. However there is a different issue with Turricans on Amiga and that is how those 2 games handle collisions. Turrican 1 and 2 use home computer style of not having any visual cues of taking damage, you walk into enemy and you simply hear buzzing sound while your health bar decreases. Its a design that's been in use since earliest 8bit home computer games and probably has a lot to do with how "homegrown" developers were or hardware limitations. By all means this is inferior way of handling collisions, something no one liked even when they were used to it. To this day I think it is the only thing holding down Turrican II from becoming the ultimate shooting platformer. Yes it is just that good and big open levels to explore are big part of it. Mega Turrican is very good, it has some advantages, someone may even like it more, but in the end it is a different game that has what people see as "Turrican parts" toned down to allow for more "arcade" style. This actually makes comparison hard so I always say "just play both".

@@sloppynyuszi You just can't play Turrican 1 maps with a button to jump, you will fail all the time. Of course you need a proper joystick instead of a d-pad.

Glad you enjoyed my air humping!

@@ConsoleWars 🤣👍

Glad we could keep you entertained.

I watched this when doing laundry, too. XD

I would say Snes OST sounds better (like the boss theme and stage 1-3) and some sfx I liked (The laser that the jumping robot shoots) but yeah Sega nailed in many aspects of gameplay, more levels and stuff.

@@zero-0159 You're just saying that because you have nostalgia for the SNES sound. Mega Turrican has a much better sounding OST.

It was a fun bit!

Oh god...

That's the best review for our channel!

Awesome! Were you able to beat it back in the day?

@@judgegroovyman I could beat Turrican on the C64, but not Turrican 2 without cheating! I could beat Super Turrican 2 as I played it to DEATH. The soundtrack rocked on that (another Chris Huelsbeck masterpiece). I remember back that ST2 got 'okay' reviews, but I loved it. So many cool, varied stages and graphics.

@@thevoivod I also love Super Turrican 2 on the SNES. I got addicted to the series with Turrican II on the C64. For anyone who doesn't know, the Genesis/Mega Drive game Universal Soldier is really Turrican II but with the flying part removed and replaced by original on foot part, and they modified the character sprite. The game was developed as Turrican II then got a very late change to cash in on the movie. Great game.

Agreed !

Yes. The clean electronic sound has aged much better.

I noticed that. Sometimes the SNES version sounded kinda "light" or "fuzzy" where as the Sega sounds were pretty unorthodox they were super clear and we'll balanced. A perfect example is compare the soundtrack of earthworm jim on Sega and Snes. The Snes version sounds very blah and less pronounced than the Segas soundtrack.

But snes sounding muffled is no surprise, it was its own trade mark lol.. MD version sounds excellent!..

Agreed

Good luck! You have my support.

I am proud of that one

No way. Mega Turrican and Super Turrican are the akin games and in fact, both of them were developed at the same time. Super Turrican 2 was developed much later than either of these two. The problem is, Mega Drive doesn't have an akin game to Super Turrican 2 (ie, a Mega Turrican 2) unfortunately. I guess this was because of all of the publishing problems Factor 5 always had with their Mega Drive games, including Mega Turrican which was delayed one year of release because Konami was going to release and then it pulled it off. Data East had to publish it in the end. Heck, even the Amiga conversion of Mega Turrican (ie, Turrican 3) came first because of this fact. And Factor 5 also couldn't release their Mega Drive version of Indiana Jones' Greatest Adventures because of publishing issues with US Gold and it's still unreleased up to this day (though it appears that it may receive and after-market release sometime in the future). Yeah, I think the sum of all this is the reason why there never was a Mega Turrican 2 on the Mega Drive to compete with Super Turrican 2.

Mega Turrican is better to me.

But the soundtrack absolutely sucks for Super Turrican 2.

Super Turrican 2 looks really cool, but it always felt a little off to me.

Nice one!

for sure genesis will win. i think they should have went with super turrican 2 vs mega turrican. much closer fight there

@@Rodzilla97 Super Turrican would have won graphics forsure. I think they picked the right match up though Mega Turrican and Super Turrican were in development around the same time and share some of the same assets.

@@supersexysega i dunno, i don't think it was a fair fight. 15 bosses vs 4. super turrican 2 has 14 bosses i think and is the best turrican game on the snes, it would have made for a much closer battle. this one was a pointless blowout

@@Rodzilla97 I agree Super Turrican 2 is awesome. If we are going for a closer match up it definitely made more sense.

@@Rodzilla97 See my answer to "elHorstio" about comparing Super Turrican 2 with Mega Turrican. Pretty nonsensical to do that when the aking games which were developed simultaneously are definitely Mega Turrican and Super Turrican.

Agree 100% they got Shadowrun wrong. Was very surprised they chose the SNES version - although it is very good.

Definitely 👍👍👍👍👍

Why did you type games with a capital G...?

@@RWL2012 tried to make an impact or a typo 🧐

Yeah, the graphics aren't even close - should be a clear and decisive win for SEGA.

They even managed to get some transparency effects in there. The rotation and scaling effects are quite smooth too, in Mega Turrican. I think the developers were quite familiar with Sega's hardware, or had experience with similar architecture (Amiga)

That's a limitation for mode 7 as it can only do so with background elements, while the Genesis version used software rotation, not hardware rotation, the ones in mega look very pixelated when doing so, and really it's only applied to very minor things other than the title screen, even then with mode 7 bosses you could implement foreground elements to look like background elements, after all Super was rushed.

I agree the mode 7 actually takes away from the overall experience.

How, literally it's only applied to the title screen, and 2 bosses and they look fine although it's missing backgrounds but it can be covered up.

Bye the way mega turrican is turrican 3 ported yo sega génesis from amiga

1 or two but they don’t mentioned that mega turrican is turrican 3 from amiga ported to sega génesis

But when is air humping not funny?

Oh wow, Genesis version trounced the SNES version. Knew Dan would show the music some love! Great episode guys. Always fun when the puppets show up too. :)

Glad you enjoyed it!

Proud of that joke.

Honestly the bosses in Mega Turrican aren't that great, and go down as easily as any other Turrican boss that isn't from T1 and ST2, rebound breaks the game's difficulty and makes the bosses feel like filler.

@@turrican3839 I've personally only played mega turrican, and i enjoyed the bosses fine enough. Its true that they are on the easy side, but since you have to beat the game in one sitting and since there are so many of them i didn't mind. Still took me some tries to beat the game my first time. Overall I enjoyed them, they have cool designs with big detail sprites and they add variety constantly to the experience

What point does it make if almost EVERY tv set at the time was mostly stereo?.. it would be a nice detail if surround sound were a thing like ever... it never reched a place on popular consumer space till dvd came out and maybe bluray.. but even today the standard is stereo still.

Gabriel Martinez They weren’t even stereo, the vast majority of them were mono at the time.

@@justanotheryoutubechannel Yeah, totally bro.. that is 100% true.

Gabriel Martinez I’m sorry if I’m misunderstanding but it really is true, most TVs only had 1 speaker. A lot of people had better audio setups with multiple speakers but usually the TV itself could only produce mono, hence why the Model 1 Mega Drive only supports mono output over its usual cables. *EDIT:* nvm I was given false info, I did some more research and by the early 1990’s a lot of TVs had stereo. Still though, a lot of people would’ve still had mono TVs. Surround was pretty overkill regardless of stereo or mono in the 90’s, but it’s cool that it supported it.

@@justanotheryoutubechannel Megadrive had stereo output too. Do some research. From the front There's an output stereo jack. In model 1, and in model 2 you got it from the back. 🤷🏼‍♂️ yeah, in 90's people had mono and stereo tv sets. There's not a single 5.1 surround tv set I know of. Sorry.

That'd be Chris Huelsbeck. He's a mad lad.

@@DeskoDev Pity they couldn't get him back for Super Turrican 2 because the OST for that game absolutely sucks!

Well someone's gonna have to donate those 2 games

+Leopold Rosales I know. I was just suggesting the possibility.

No it's Batman Forever

+Julian Williams I wasn’t referring to the hint at the end of the video.

Thank you for the donations!

Thanks. The intro was fan Mande by RGM_Burai. You can find a link to more of his songs in the video description.

It's probably going to be a battle to see which one is worse, that's usually what they do with shitty games. And man, are they both shit.

@@zanegandini5350 Yeah, I was thinking the same.

Pretty much sums it up. The SNES version will end up as the worst one for the loading times everytime you go into a different room which happens alot and for the gameplay being worse then the Genesis version.

AVGN did talk about Batman Forever on SNES and it was horrible due to the Mortal Kombat combo controls and wish I kept mine. Sega Genesis version is really horrible if you have a three button controller

@@travisbrown6598 If anyone is playing a Genesis in 2020 without access to a 6-Button controller. They have far worse concerns in their life.

Both are in my Top 5 for both systems. That is hard as hell but I nod to Shinobi 3

Shinobi 3 will win it's a perfect game. Hagane is a very good game and definitely took inspiration from Shinobi 3 and makes the best sense as a comparison video.

Hey, we're both creeping up on 40 too. Nothing wrong with that.

@@ConsoleWars I guess we're in it together, hey fellas? You know, I was just thinking... how does Mega Turrican stack up against Super Turrican: Directors Cut? 🤭 I'm just kidding, but never had the pleasure, personally. All the best guys 👍

@@NeoGeoNinja81 The Director's Cut is a massive disappointment after so many years of Factor 5 hyping that. It's just a new section/sub-level in the snow area of levels. Mega Turrican is still much better than that.

@@WeskerSega It was just another Nintendo fanboy coping mechanism.

@@Bubba__Sawyer What's there to "cope" about anymore? The console wars have been over for like 25 years now. Both systems can easily be emulated and we have the ability to pick and choose games that came out on both. No need to be loyal to the console you were stuck with during childhood. Want to play the better Turrican game? Download the Genesis version. Want to play the better version of Earthworm Jim 2? Download the SNES version. Want to play the better version of Mortal Kombat Or Sunset Riders? Well, just download the arcade versions lol. Sticking to one side is pointless and unnecessary.

Thanks!

Console Wars my pleasure dude!

It’s been released again by Limited Games and is currently on sale!

As a Sega fan I’m biased but in most of these reviews I’m biting my nails and rooting for the Sega Genesis whilst also acknowledging the Super Nintendos superior graphics, controller and sound. I grew up with both of these consoles and I love them both :P

This video was too 1 sided, how did Mega Turrican seriously win in *every* department, graphics should've been a tie, so is sound, gameplay to ST since it has better level design, weapons, and enemy placements, yet again nobody ever reads my reasons and proceed to only listen to Mega throbbers.

At least you guys have Super Turrican 2.

@@mattkennedy6115 Hey! That's actually pretty good, i am on the same channel as you, excepting having both consoles, i had to rely on emulation over the years.

@@quasimojo345 That is also true, the second game has everything the *Mega Turrican* game had plus Super Nintendo's quality, so... Yeah.

Wow. Thanks for keeping count!

I demand a recount! How is it so close??

Isn't crazy how 90% of the time the Super Nintendo had the better version of cross platform games? Must be one of those false narratives based on the 37-36 numbers.

Doing God’s work good sir!

Sega wins: Aladdin Mortal Kombat Castlevania Bloodlines Contra Hard Corps Jurassic Park Streets Of Rage Ren & Stimpy: Stimpy’s Invention Earthworm Jim Mighty Morphin Power Rangers The Movie Robocop Vs Terminator Streets Of Rage 2 Streets Of Rage 3 Dr. Robotnik’s Mean Bean Machine Toy Story Scooby Doo Home Alone WWF Wrestlemania The Arcade Game Captain America & The Avengers Tiny Toons: Buster’s Hidden Treasure NBA Jam Mickey Mania Bram Stoker’s Dracula Revolution X Beauty & The Beast Taz-Mania Home Alone 2 Cool Spot Boogerman Sparkster Joe & Mac Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 The Simpsons: Bart’s Nightmare Paperboy 2 Demolition Man The Lost Vikings Doom Mega Turrican Nintendo Wins: Turtles In Time X-Men Mutant Apocalypse Street Fighter 2 Turbo: Hyper Fighting Animaniacs Alien 3 Mickey Mouse Magical Quest Final Fantasy 2 Beavis & Butthead The Adventures Of Batman & Robin Zombies Ate My Neighbours Bubsy Super Ghouls N’ Ghosts Tom & Jerry Shadowrun Lion King Mario Paint Sunset Riders Mortal Kombat 2 Run Saber Samurai Shodown Batman Returns Primal Rage Power Rangers: Fighting Edition Wayne’s World Maximum Carnage Super Smash TV Battletoads Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein Justice League Task Force Prince Of Persia Ninja Gaiden Chester Cheetah Earthworm Jim 2 Daze Before Christmas Super Scope TMNT Tournament Fighters Draws: Ys lll: Wanderers From Ys Battletoads & Double Dragon

That's what I hear. I gotta check it out.

@@ConsoleWars Dew It! Remember...... Shoot or Die!

Totally. I used I envy my friends who had consoles while I had the Amiga. Then I saw how games like Turrican, Chaos Engine and Desert Strike compared across the systems and I never looked back.

Yeah, it's not really even a contest.

Sega mauls that version too. It's got some interesting elements too it still the Sega version is smoother and more refined in game play and like the SNES it's missing like half its backgrounds. Also the music sounds so choppy on the Amiga, this could also be because the Amiga version is kind of makeshift port of the Sega version.

We are doing Super! Or should I say Mega? One of those.

They're both fun, but one is better.

Yeh I like the SNES game a lot but prefer Sega's game.

Amiga turrican is just a choppy version of Mega Turrican. Also it's soundtrack overall sounds kinda lame compared with particularly the Sega version.

That was a last minute addition. Glad you liked it!

The muffled SNES sound is fine at a low volume through TV speakers. The Genesis sounds so much better when hooked up to a proper sound system.

The drums on the Yamaha chip's DAC channel work well as well, as does the use of the PSG core :)