It's simple Farfo, the more words a card has, the more complicated it is. Complicated cards take more skill to play. Therefore, pendulum is the best deck because it has twice as many text boxes.

One of their most powerful traps is literally called skill drain

But Mystic Mine does take skill. There are 34 muscles that move your fingers and each 3 joint and thumb 2 joint. Brain neurons processes thoughts at 70-120 meters per second (156-270 mph). All of this is required to send the neurons to the muscles of the Mystic Mine Player's fingers to pick up Mystic Mine from their hand, in waving down motion, place Mystic Mine on the field in the field zone, which requires hand-eye coordination, measuring the longitude and altitude, and calculating the trajectory from the hand to the field zone, to locate and perfect the placing of Mystic Mine. Some Mystic Mine players are skillful in their hand-eye coordination they don't even need to look! As you can imagine, the amount of neurons, muscles, and thoughts required to activate Mystic Mine is a tremendous task.

counter fairy players: ok i'll save my judgement for X card and use divine providence on Y card so i can get the most benefit from my artemis and ariadne Mine players: REJECT HUMANITY, RETURN TO MONKE

If Summoning barrier statue and equipping moon mirror shield isn't combo idk what is

"if at first you don't succeed, side in your 15 floodgates" in The art of War, "Steven Trifunovski" *PENDULUM*

With those glasses, you look like a pure invoked player.

In other words: Yu-Gi-Oh takes no skill, everyone start playing Neo-Spacians Turbo.

I argue that stun and control are different. They are similar, and often both want to make the game continue longer, but there is a distinction between the two terms. This makes Stun, and therefore flootgates, a whole other discussion than control. Control is based on taking positive trades in card advantage so that you eventually just overwhelm your opponent with how many cards you have. They have cards that are plus 1’s and that break even, so over time, you always have more cards than your opponent. Meanwhile, Stun tries to make card advantage mean as little as possible. Stun doesn’t take your opponent’s cards away, it makes your opponent’s cards useless. It doesn’t matter if your opponent has 5 cards and you have 2 if your opponent can’t play any of those cards.

As a control master, I can only say that to this day, "Summon Volcanic Rocket, effect of Rocket, Set 3 and Pass" is the strongest board-control decks have ever had. No wonder Konami doesn't want to give us Pyro players any new support, considering how broken that strategy was in the past (and still is)... Day 558 of waiting for Good Pyro/Volcanic Support to arrive in Blazing Vortex.

Whenever I think of a helmet deck, Qliphort with Lose 1 Turn comes to mind. I can totally imagine someone wearing a Scout.

Envision yugioh decks as a spectrum consisting of stun - control - aggro - combo. The big problem with the game is that it has gone too far in both directions on the spectrum. The stun/control decks are too restrictive in not letting the opponent play (floodgates) and the combo decks are equally as restrictive when they can set up multiple negates whilst playing through handtraps and also occasionally handlooping you for no reason. Theoretically here has to be a happy medium here but I believe power creep has caused irreversible damage

You know what? These were actually really good videos. Well done. You were probably expecting some lame joke here but no dude really, good content.

Should have just combined these past two videos into one big: “YuGIoh TaKes nO SKiLl” meme review 😅

Flood gates is not control That's stun Stun decks take no skill

Hi Farfa, to be honest as a "control" or stun player myself one of the reason why i play those decks is budget. Well in modern YGO cards can be expensive as heck like look at adamancipators, eldlich, etc, for stun / control decks most of the cards were reprinted to its lowest rarity possible and its pretty easy to be able to craft a control/stun deck with a budget ranging from 50-100$

Imagine thinking imperm into faker on their turn doesnt take skill... It obviously takes skill to hide those 2 in your sleeve and not get noticed by your opponent

0:50 I freaking choked 😂

0:34 Me who uses kelvin: that's about 300iq

What I've learned from these two videos is Yu-Gi-Oh is fun because of interactivity, and at a certain point in deck building most players will at some point want their opponents to stop having fun, either by doing some long combo and ending on a billion negates or setting floodgates and protecting them. It's a weird push and pull

Melffy seems to be an interesting and interactive control deck, until someone comes and says ahhhh yes let's add floodgates. Altergeist can also be interesting and interactive, but history has shown us it also can go the monke route. Counter Fairies is also a good and interactive control deck.

Or in short:every deck takes skill to some extend, at worst the deck building is where skill ends but everything takes skill to some extend. People can argue combo decks are more complex but overall even as Control player you need to know how to interrupt/what floodgates to play to deal with the deck opponents deck as effectively as possible

This was a really funny video farfa, I snort laughed a lot and rewatched a lot of it cuz it was even funnier the second time. Please don't stop making videos!

man farfa, i love your videos bro. entertaining and well informing. hope u hit 100k

Next video: "Yu-Gi-Oh Takes No Skill"

I think the most fun game I've played recently was Numeron Guru vs. Altergeist. The game boiled down to who could keep the resource advantage longest. Ps. Floodgates are boring and the fact that combo has gotten so out of hand that p lo aying every flood gate in existence us a good strategy really says something about the state of the game.

Yo I've never been a die hard fan of your channel but, from a video you made 2-3 years ago compared to this is light and day. I love to see how you've developed as a content creator and have learned to really incorporate yourself into your work. Your well on your way to 100k and I'm excited to be along the ride because 100k is not even the scratch on the iceberg of your potential. Amazing job farfa please keep it up. Dark Magician Mystic Mine turbo best deck btw lol

This video was hilarious farfa :'D well done!

There needs to be a higher degree of interaction in modern yugioh. Decks that can consistently play through 2 hand traps and end on 3+ omni negates are a problem. Decks like that are the reason dice rolls are so important. If 2 combo decks play each other, the overwhelming favor goes to whoever goes first. To the point where the win rates of combo vs combo match-ups are very obviously linked to whoever won the dice roll. On the flip side, dice rolls are a little less important in control vs control match-ups. Yes, the dice roll is still very important, but the games generally go longer and have a higher chance for meaningful interactions that can really swing the outcome of the game. Take GOAT format for example; the main reason GOAT format is so loved is because it is almost exclusively a control format. Games aren't over in 3 turns or less and there is a very high skill ceiling. 2 pilots can open the same hand and have very different lines of play. I don't think floodgates are indicative of a control deck. Floodgates are honestly just a band-aid for bad decks. I consider the hallmark of a control deck the ability to simplify the game state so every card and interaction played is more impactful. I'll always support a yu-gi-oh format that is less reliant on a dice roll to win and allows for skillful interactions to be the deciding factor. I don't really have a problem with Virtual World or Tri-brigade because they wont stop you from playing the game completely. Dytron and Dragon link, on the other hand, can play through a few hand traps and will basically FTK you with negates alone. That's not interactive and is overall bad for the growth and health of the game. Nobody wants to pick-up yugioh, buy a deck, drive a few hours to an event, just so they can compete in a combo format and leave feeling like they didn't get to actually play any yugioh because they lost dice rolls.

I enjoy control decks to be able to see the mythical turn 3 or beyond, also I think control and stun are 2 different thing, if your deck is just floodgates and barrier statues or fossil dino thats stun, but if you play like altergeist, krawler, true draco, dark magician, those are control decks.

Complete the series; what are your thoughts on mid-range decks?

I had a Harpie/Vampire hybrid control deck I used to play on Dueling Network back before Kozmo was released (God that was so long ago). The deck was a sin unto decklists but actually picked up wins left and right, and was probably the biggest brain deck I've ever seen. Control decks are amazing when they rely more on subversion and manipulation as opposed to mindless stun spam. Letting things play out to the precise point you want, then stopping it just where you need it to be to play their own moves against them feels amazing. having fifteen flavors of "end your opponent's turn" on the board just feels like you pick a card at random between spoonfuls of glue.

Apologies for the impending essay: From the perspective of a control player (I’ve gone from Draco to Paleo to Salad to Geist to Zoo this year,) yes, there are specific stun cards that, if they resolve, you basically win the game (Rivalry, Gozen, TCBOO.) However, with other one-off traps, like Strike / Judgment, it really does take some sort of skill to decide what to actually negate. Personally, I think Impermanence is one of the more skillful traps we have today. Deciding even where to set the Imperm when going first matters because of Imperm’s ability to blank spells and traps in the column. You have to psycho-analyze *five-head* where your opponent will activate their spells and set their traps before they do. Additionally, there have been times where I have held an Impermanence to negate a monster until my opponent happened to place their spell card in the same zone as my Imperm so I can negate both the monster and the S/T. *big brain* And with Solemns, timing is key. The longer and longer you wait within the turn without getting blown out, the opponent will be lulled into a false sense of security. I find that counter traps like Strike and Judgment are best utilized when the opponent goes to make a link play or a Synchro play that requires 2+ materials, as you are mathematically making them neg while maintaining your own card advantage. That’s just me though

How dare u call mine players monkeys! Monkeys have actual braincells my guy c'mon

Each deck requires some skills from the users, there may also be situations in this deck where you need to use XP. For example when you use Goddess Skuld's Oracle and you see Pot of Duality, Pot of Desires and Twin Twister a reasonable solution is given to opponent hand Pot of Desires. And also knowing opponents intentions, combos or decks it will always be useful.

You talk about interactivity but their ain’t nothing fun about a “combo deck” vomiting out 10 negates. It’s literally just pretending to be smart or maybe even actually be smart to accomplish the same un-interactive scenario a flood gate card can achieve. But I guess you pointed that out at the end of the video. So in the end we all just hate yugioh and are masochists by continuing to play it.

Personally I like playing control more than playing combo. With a control deck it feels more like playing against my opponent while with combo I play more against myself trying to not mess up my combo. I really like those tactical matches and trying to bluff my opponent into making a certain play

quite possibly the most anticipated sequel of the year

God I love these random PENDULUMs they always make my day :D

2:30 i fell of the chair. Had me laughing for the whole day

I think you make a good observation. I would go one step further since you didn’t explicitly say it. Control decks nowadays can’t really be only control, they need an element of stun to keep up with combo decks. What is more efficient in slowing down your opponent? TCOBO, skill drain, gozen, etc. or solemn strike? At this point solemn strike really is just a gamma that costs you LP. I think it’s a sad reality that as time progresses we will see more elements of stun make its way into control decks. Anyway, great video! Don’t mind me. I’m just gonna set 3 TCOBO, macro, and final battle and beat you with guru on turn 10 and say “gg wp”

"At the same time however everyone can combo off with an isolde or block dragon via no interruptions while eating an entire tub of paint." Farfa 2020. My god farfa i absalutely fucking love ur generic and blank insult towards other player or decks, its too funny too live man.

Both well made and hilarious, well done BA player, well done

That Pendulum bit gets me every time

Next vid: *GOING 2ND OTK DECKS TAKES NO SKILL* Next vid after: *STUN DECKS TAKES NO SKILL* Maybe next vid after that: *GRINDER DECKS TAKES NO SKILL*

I mean it takes shear willpower and determination to play altergeist for as long as doug has

The question of floodgates is really about tempo. Most aggro or combo decks will out resource a control deck within the first few turns, so control decks need a way to slow them down to their pace. Floodgates are a form of advantage generation, but instead of direct removal like torrential tribute, it's removal by turning cards into bricks. This means that it's subject to the same skillful interaction as other cards, just with a higher risk/reward curve because a single twin twisters can effectively be a +4-5 for the opponent as their cards become live again.

Somewhere I read that to win with a control deck consistently you need understand the opponents deck better than themselves. Or open the best floodgates, that works too.

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Shaddoll and Salamangreat are great examples of skill-intensive control decks imo

I’m personally glad you brought back the monkey noises for Mine

The consistant uploads are awesome! Keep it please

You last 2 videos made my friend who insults me for playing Yu-Gi-Oh over MTG apologize So thank you

well, clearly, the final conclusion is that yugioh takes no skill.

Getting back into yugioh think im gonna build a mystic mine deck now.

As someone who played rock stun for a significant amount of time I hard agree, baiting out and deciding the right effects to negate with the Koaki meru rocks made me feel like a pretty good Duelist but sometimes the game just boils down to Dyna moon mirror shield, I remember playing against a friend casually and his only backrow removal was in his extra deck so he had a hard time dealing with it and it didn't seem fun, I played a more casual RDA synchro deck and he had a lot more fun getting blown up and punched with a big red dragon.

You made me laugh, how dare you.

Farfa: does some mental gymnastics to show that combo takes skill Also farfa: control flip floodgates hehe XD I think I know what deck Farfa plays

Someone needs to make a compilation of Farfa imitating trif

Congratulations on reaching 100k subscribers

Next video: burning abyss takes the most skill

I suppose because I run mystic mine in striker, I am a monkey with a single brain cell. However, try not to fall asleep watching dragon link doing their millenia-long combo challenge.

3:54 insanely good Yoda impression by Farfa 😲

i think there are some fun floodgates but specifically when they aren't *too* powerful when it feels more like interacting differently due to changed game state and less like directly removing a massive part of gameplay, it's an interesting and sometimes healthy floodgate those are SUPER few and far between, and in modern yugioh it's almost impossible for one to be meta-relevant that's actually balanced, but going a little further back i think maybe jinzo or TER were fun examples that required some setup

Farfa continues to spit facts while team Sam Rigs packs. For legal reasons that’s a joke.

Activate extravagance for 6, set 5 pass. Flip a floodgate, summon Multifaker from hand. GG?

Thank you dunkey. Very cool

The people that complains about one floodgate is the people that sets up a board with multiple negates. Of course there is a lot of interactivity when every card in your hand gets negated if you go second and the game just ends.

Mystic Mine takes no skill Every other control deck takes skill :3

As a stun player Farfa, I am deeply offended. The fossil dyna Moon mirror shield combo is very skillful. This combo takes years of training and mental fortitude furthermore, this level of skill is only obtainable by being able to consume in one sitting all the of the different flavors of crayons 🖍 from the 128 pack of crayons. You will never understand the pain of running out glue at a locals. Don't you ever insult my stun deck combos ever again good sir.

You're saying it, chestnut boy!

I love watching Farfa get briefly possessed by the soul of Triff

I mean, interaction in YuGiOh is arguably where the game is most fun, but with how powercrept the game is that is, with exception to casual matches, pretty nonexistent. Combo decks provided they are uninterrupted essentially result in an FTK on the basis that they either end on an impossible number of negates, a towers like monster, or a monster floodgate, sometimes even a combination of the three. Control / stun can be seen in a similar vein when sitting on multiple floodgates and traps that effectively do the same thing. The commonality between these is that they’ve picked up on the key strategy of YuGiOh. The power level of individual cards has skyrocketed into absurdity to the point that even letting one card resolve can completely flip the game on it’s head, so the best strategy is to make sure that they cannot play the game. Very occasionally a deck will slip through like Aggro which simply aims to OTK through said boards, though these are few and far between. I think that this discussion is interesting but ultimately puts players into a nightmarish state of lovecraftian enlightenment when they realise that on a competitive level and reduced to their base definition all decks aim to stop all interaction.

I learned that meta decks are usually paint eating combos or floodgate pass

I have a legit question, would you consider something like skill drain or nekroz of unicore to be a floodgate? To me unicore doesnt feel like one because it doesnt prevent them from summoning it just makes them have to prioritize a target. You have much more experience than I do so I was just wondering your thoughts on it.

Farfa, the most unlikely dunkey clone

I play mystic mine to send a message

Reactive control decks take a lot of skill...

Haircuts looking nice Farfa have a nice day

Oh my gosh that white sweater looks so good on you!

Only the almighty Jeff Leonard should be allowed to play Mystic Mine.

I’d argue that stun is awful, and control is vital for a healthy format (as you did). What I find strange is the hate for Geist throughout the years from various people, because while it has been a meta deck for 3 or so years, it’s also been one of the only control decks in the last few formats that promotes interactivity. Most other meta control decks rely on floodgates to win, while Geist plays none.

"Floodgates are worse than cancer" -Wayne Gretzky -Michael Scott

Floodgates in control is the same as as Calamities (or other monsters that lock something) in combo decks. They just dont bring interaction to the game, so I think is just a tendency of us as players that wanna win the less interaction posible, because if we want to have a more interactive game we just need to change that floodgates with cards that disrupt or negate effects.

"Control decks take skill, until they turn into stun decks" is what you're saying here right?

I play altergeist with no floodgates (exepte imperial order) does it take skill

So you have made a video about Control and Combo, but would you consider there to be different types of those that are still viable? Other card games have "Aggro" for example. Is there something you'd feel like fits into that category? The only one I would think of would be something like Gren Maju or would you consider most OTK based decks just to be part of that genre?

It's funny because in MtG, control decks are often the hardest to pilot optimally, picking when you need to/can tap out for a "dark hole" effect and when to hold up a counterspell, and so on.

Wow yugioh is the opposite of Hearthstone...

Farfa, you need to understand there is a difference in playing yugioh and winning. Pick your poison.

Jeff leonard would be happy for the prisms secret slot mystic mine takes up in the mega tin

1:35 Floowandereeze

Agreed, floodgates like barrier statues should be permanently banned

for some reason i can have way more respect for someone trying to take 15 minutes of my life with adamancipator than a jackass setting 5 and/or mystic mine and passing

1:42 I have same kind of cup you have farfa, the glass one that looks cool

That dunky reference got me hahaha

My idiotic brain will never get sick of "LETS GOOOOO PENDULUM BEST DECK"

nice Dunkey reference at the end

Love the dunkey reference

I mean if you argue floodgates remove interactivities, call me back when that "interactivities" meaning not setting 5 monster with 3 set backrow on the first turn. Its like kaijus, a necessary evil