Controversial Foot Fault Called at Canadian Nationals Legit Call or Not?

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5 ай бұрын

Round 2 , Hole 11 of the 2023 Canadian Nationals - Thomas Gilbert calls a foot fault on leader Kalan Schat, but was it truly a foot fault?
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@Maj0rFloater 5 ай бұрын

The fact that this continues to be an issue that creates awkward interactions that no one enjoys is silly. Make the plant zone behind a disc 18-24" so the need to get super close isn't as necessary and then make it a fault if your front foot moves the disc before your second foot hits the ground. Make it so it is obvious. I don't blame Gilbert for calling here, but he did not have the angle to know for sure that the plant foot was on the disc when he released, so it should not have been called in my opinion. Any fairway shot with a run-up should allow for more space without a fault so that players can focus on good golf shots rather than making sure their plant foot is within a "20cm by 30cm rectangle behind the disc". Silly.

@cup_and_cone 5 ай бұрын

I agree moving it back seems like a common sense solution, but the problem with moving it back is you then reward people who land behind obstructed shots and can throw around it easier. Also trying to eyeball two feet (to call foot faults) is a lot harder than the 20/30cm box we have now.

@Maj0rFloater 5 ай бұрын

@@cup_and_cone I agree fully on not wanting to give an advantage to a poor shot that led to a poor position, but my reason for thinking up to two feet is that a foot fault behind the disc at the pro level will virtually never occur, so it will limit the need to eye it and speculate for the rest of the card. It's not a perfect solution, but this ticky tack stuff is ridiculous. Another potential solution is making marking shots with a mini mandatory and change the rules so that you mark BEHIND the disc, not in front. This game was inspired by traditional golf and the concept of putting a coin in front of your golf ball to mark a putt is absurd.

@ztsb_koneko 5 ай бұрын

It's not on Gilbert. If a player thinks there was a fault, it's their right and responsibility to call it out. Then you have another set of eyes on the card add their perspective to either confirm or deny the claim. It should be a decent system assuming all players are actually paying attention AND remain unbiased. It's not a perfect system and I'm sure the lie rules will be tweaked, but I think it's only healthy for the sport that we start really calling out even small faults. Yeah it might really suck and throw off the called player in that moment, but it should serve as a reminder that they made a mistake and played it too close. Next time, pay more attention and GIT GUD.

@Maj0rFloater 5 ай бұрын

@@ztsb_koneko I don't disagree that within the current structure of the rules and how they are enforced, that you could eliminate the inconsistencies by literally calling that looks very close. Maybe erring on the side of if it looks like a fault, call it a fault will force the governing bodies to prioritize creating a rule set around faults that are consistently enforceable without cardmates required involvement.

@derpderpin1568 5 ай бұрын

Foot faults are one of the dumbest things in our sport. As if his plant foot being an inch or two one way or the other makes any tangible difference whatsoever. This has always been such a stupid rule.

@joshturner727 5 ай бұрын

First of all its not a foot fault. If he stepped on his disc he wouldn’t have kicked it during his follow through. Second of all if he had marked the disc then his foot wouldn’t have even come close to faulting. Finally, I understand its the rule, but what is the point in calling a foot fault if it didn’t give the player any advantage? The only thing I can think of is you need a stroke or you are trying to mess with your competition.

@derpderpin1568 5 ай бұрын

@tonydombovy5207 5 ай бұрын

Well there has to be some sort of rule or else I could throw from wherever I wanted lol@@derpderpin1568

@xSirhc 5 ай бұрын

⁠⁠@@derpderpin1568 and it’s also weird to me that meanwhile you get a 12”x8” box behind your lie that you can plant anywhere in, as if that couldnt give you an advantage in a different way compared to 1cm past the front

@flumpo 5 ай бұрын

Maybe pros think the advantage is being able to think about your throw without "caring" about your lie, not as much as the advantage that 2cm gives you

@brandyn666 5 ай бұрын

Mental games. Thomas plays like shit so he had to grab any straw that falls in his direction. The overall play on this card was abysmal, and this just made me lose a lot of respect for the two players that called Kalan on a bullshit call. I personally wouldn't have the audacity to call a foot fault if I was standing BEHIND someone.

@jansingber376 5 ай бұрын

The only time to call a foot fault is there is an egregious attempt to create an advantage.

@HaikesXO 5 ай бұрын

exactly. like what would he gain from his foot touching the disc here? 3 inches?

@markmcgarity 4 ай бұрын

the advantage is not caring about rules, good call on gilbert and whoever seconded it

@ScottSmith-vc5vf 5 ай бұрын

You have to be the worlds lousiest person to call that and to second that. 😅

@futthet6743 5 ай бұрын

That is really too bad, how were they able to see something that didn’t happen. Terrible call.

@dylangoudey1 5 ай бұрын

Gilbert was butt hurt that kalan was beating him so bad. 😂

@tillman40 5 ай бұрын

They need to revise this rule. There’s no advantage to stepping on your disc. Should not be a foul

@HaikesXO 5 ай бұрын

wild to call a foot fault on such a far, high level shot

@thisissostupidqsdfva 5 ай бұрын

Oh come on Thomas... you saw what happened after release, clearly not during it. Don't call something you didn't see for sure. Just jealous of the huge backhand bomb shot

@eoghana315 5 ай бұрын

If I was there in person I'd probably call that a foot fault. What makes this a bad rule is that people let this go without calling it until it's SERIOUS DISC GOLF HOURS. We need rules that are easy to enforce regardless of what round it is and what the standings are.

@Sanfordtime 4 ай бұрын

Thomas Gilbert calling a foot fault makes sense after last year went for him....

@brandyn666 5 ай бұрын

Everyone in the comments on the original video is blasting Thomas and the other player because everyone with any sort of sense knows it was a desperation call, seconded by pressure. I truly felt bad for Kalan because TG was just grumpy he's playing like a low rated player.

@Eaglemadhatter 5 ай бұрын

He really got an advantage with that one

@KevinSmith-tu1tt 5 ай бұрын

I get the need for rules but these sort of things take the fun out of the game. These sort of calls are for the most competitive type of player but ruin it for the more casual player....guess this is why i dont do more tournaments besides the putting suck factor. 😀

@docxen 5 ай бұрын

looks like if you were looking at his foot from in front it would be easier to see but wow so close surprised someone called it

@shawnhill4779 5 ай бұрын

No foot fault. My generally rule of thumb is ... "did the player get an unfair advantage by the foot fault?" If the answers is no ... they leave it be.

@derpderpin1568 5 ай бұрын

@markmcgarity 5 ай бұрын

@@derpderpin1568 rules are there for a reason, you step on your lie, it's a foot fault. get over it, or go play pickleball

@ThugLifeBitches1 5 ай бұрын

@@markmcgarityyeah and you are the queer the lives by rules, nobody wants to be you that is for sure

@morticianjohn Ай бұрын

From the still shot it does appear that his foot is touching the disc when he released his throw, however, the reaction of the disc when he releases the throw makes me wonder if that is true. IMO there is no conclusive evidence, because of the camera angle we can't see down to the millimeter. if this was an official replay the call on the field stands. Hope he had a better angle than we do otherwise this call looks very subjective.

@larssvenungsson5148 5 ай бұрын

I say no foot fault. And I think it was silly to call that. I think it have to be more sure if you should call it.

@sm-jj2wp 5 ай бұрын

this is dead on the one mcbeth called simon on off the tee, like ya you can see his footprint but that was after the disc was thrown..

@Sebastian-zm4yd 5 ай бұрын

I was there when this happened. It was a bad call in an attempt to mess with a young player In my opinion. Thomas has had a bad year by his standards and probably assumed he could waltz into this tournament and take it down easily. I’m here to report that he wasn’t even relevant in the final standings of this tournament. Isn’t karma an interesting thing? Also interesting that Austin and Thomas are both with TSA. Collusion?…

@Boucher702 3 ай бұрын

Why are people so annoyed or mad when they get called on foot-faults. A disc thrower knows when they footfault but they don’t want it to be talked about when it happens .

@cosmolean 5 ай бұрын

Gilbert could be an NBA ref with calls like that one.

@andrewkenny9672 5 ай бұрын

Going to call that but let people jump putt still is stupid.

@ApplesRgud 5 ай бұрын

This is the majorly flawed part about “professional” disc golf. The players are the rule enforcers!?!?!? Makes absolutely zero sense. Why is there not a ref/ rule enforcement with everyone it makes no sense. I don’t see how brushing the side of your foot against your lay caused a advantage! Maybe he should have properly marked his lay with a mini? Why did Thomas feel the need to call this? Was it because he was behind so he was looking for anything to call to help his own game? Wouldn’t have to speculate like that if the professional game had legit rule enforcement!!!!

@djveeps 5 ай бұрын

i would have also called it in real time...i mean c'mon, the disc went flying. Would have made me assume he obviously stepped on it/kicked it. With slow mo review, this may be the closest example documentedin disc golf of all time and he may not have actually committed a foot fault but def would have called/seconded it if i was on the card. Good call Thomas! Seems like a rule change may be in order

@derpderpin1568 5 ай бұрын

@markmcgarity 5 ай бұрын

@@derpderpin1568 troll much? i can see you don't think rules should be followed, and i'm glad i don't golf with your cheatin' ass

@TheMakki 5 ай бұрын

If he stepped on it - no shot it goes flying. It went flying because the foot torque after plant launched it. The call makes no sense.

@judasblewit 5 ай бұрын

@@TheMakkiexactly.

@markmcgarity 4 ай бұрын

@@TheMakki how long you been playing? he stepped on the edge of the disc causing it to flip up into his feet, which is a foot fault. you can't step on your lie, period. the rules give you almost a foot leeway, so why would anyone come that close? besides foot faults, broken ankles and tore achilles tendons happen as well. calling rules "stupid" is typical of an entire generation of people who think rules don't apply to them, they are special!

@vicccey1345 5 ай бұрын

PDGA.....This is not the long jump! There is no competitive advantage...definitely going to bring this up to the PDGA now that there is new leadership

@PirateDiscGolf-lk7ne 5 ай бұрын

The new leadership is more concerned in ensuring men can play in FPO

@vicccey1345 5 ай бұрын

I don't think Doug has ever back this....his interview on ultiworld I think suggest otherwise@@PirateDiscGolf-lk7ne

@Jason-Moon 5 ай бұрын

I say not a foot fault. You are supposed to plant behind your lie and that's what he did. His pivot kicked the disc. Whether or not his throw had left his hand when his pivot foot struck his disc on the ground is indeterminable even slowed down on video. Its a matter of milliseconds. Looks mostly like it happened at the same exact time. Ridiculous to call a foot fault in such a situation. The throw was fine. If we're calling errors that can't even be proven in slow motion video, we're taking it way too far. His cardmates know his pivot foot could have struck the disc after his throw released. It's way too close to call. Give me a break. His throw is fine. He just planted slightly closer than he intended to his lie. Big deal. No one's perfect and this situation is clearly not a case of what the foot fault rule was designed to prevent.

@philsrock08 5 ай бұрын

Disc was already out of his hand before his foot made contact with his lie...that's a bad call.

@WolfNasty419 5 ай бұрын

Weak sauce

@boomshocka1000 5 ай бұрын

Wtf would ever call that?

@markmcgarity 5 ай бұрын

most people would, people that know rules mean something

@judasblewit 5 ай бұрын

@@markmcgarityno most people wouldn't.

@markmcgarity 5 ай бұрын

@@judasblewit i'll rephrase that, in a sanctioned tourney, most people that follow rules would call it. i understand there is an entire generation of entitled brats that don't think rules apply to them, but if you can't follow rules you will pay the consequences.

@boomshocka1000 5 ай бұрын

@@markmcgarity then you never played an A- tier. Clearly.

@markmcgarity 5 ай бұрын

@@boomshocka1000 clearly? i've played in a tiers and a major, thanks for assuming. most people follow the rules, but today you have an entire generation of people who think rules don't apply to them.

@mr.twoputt9241 3 ай бұрын

How did he step on it then kick it in the follow through!? Sorry, but not a foot fault, Thomas got it wrong and so did the seconder. This seems so petty when it's that close and there was no advantage to the .05" that he might had touched the nose of the disc. Planting on the heel and twisting the foot on a follow-through would have kicked the disc if he was behind it, like what happened. If he was stepping on it, his toes would have spun over the top of the disc and the disc wouldn't have moved much. Damn Thomas....

@calebroberts3459 5 ай бұрын

That’s too tight to call. Gilbert just didn’t want to lose to someone less rated than him. I have no respect for people who call foot faults just play

@ZOROASTED 5 ай бұрын

oh shut. rules are rules, and if you can imagine this not in slomo, it would look like he for sure kicked it. don't judge either way.

@calebroberts3459 5 ай бұрын

@@ZOROASTED if benifet goes to the player I think it shouldn’t of been called. 1012 rated Thomas Gilbert didn’t want too lose to the 980 rated Kalan so he just called that to make it closer

@ztsb_koneko 5 ай бұрын

No dude, that's not how rules work. If you don't call rule violations, you're admitting that rules don't matter. It's fine on rec round with beers, but the moment you step into sanctioned tournaments, it should not be. Because of this backwards culture, you can see top professionals side step their lie by several feet on your, in lead cards. Well, people do pencil whip too, I'm assuming you don't call them out either? Because hey, whether you took a triple or double bogey doesn't make a big difference, you might as well cheat just a little bit.

@calebroberts3459 5 ай бұрын

@@ztsb_koneko just me personally I would never call anyone on a foot fault. Idc if they step over there disc. I play tournaments too have fun and not to call foot faults

@calebroberts3459 5 ай бұрын

@@ztsb_koneko also I don’t know what you mean by pencil whip

@oddbirda 5 ай бұрын

That was not a foot fault and if there was any doubt it should not have been seconded

@markmcgarity 4 ай бұрын

then obviously there was NO doubt...you step on your lie, it's a foot fault

@mr.twoputt9241 3 ай бұрын

@@markmcgarity i think you need glasses worse than Thomas. If you can watch this video that shows he didn't step ON the disc, and then once released the follow-through kicked it, then I don't even know what to say haha. Benefit goes to the player and this was way to close, it was seconded because the disc went flying, I guarantee neither was staring at his feet, they were directly behind him. They just saw the disc move and made an assumption. Teammates like to stick together...💩

@derpderpin1568 5 ай бұрын

@japes1172 5 ай бұрын

the advantage isn't in the extra inch one way or the other. the advantage is in not having to think about where your feet land, while everyone else does

@Rodion_Raskolnikov 5 ай бұрын

Sorry, I still don't understand, could you type that one more time please? Preferably as a reply to someone elses comment

@atliegilsson 5 ай бұрын

it's a basic rule and it's a part of the game, as an athlete you should just make sure to stay short of the lie.. it's that simple

@markmcgarity 5 ай бұрын

@@Rodion_Raskolnikovnice one!

@Munchylego 5 ай бұрын

Every sport has petty rules that may or may not create an advantage for one side or the other. They were there in person…we aren’t. This was called. Seconded. Done. Foot fault. The player who got called for foot fault acted professionally and calmly. Move on. It’s also crazy to say disc golf isn’t competitive enough to enforce the rules. Seriously? At one point does it become “competitive enough?”

@joshbelcher4624 5 ай бұрын

In my opinion I dont see why we are playing at a professional level and still leave these types of calls and decisions up to the card that has a bias for making the call. A professional sport with lots of money on the line should have a manual review of any calls or some other system rather than just having two people on the card agree. They have a stake in calling a foot fault lol

@cup_and_cone 5 ай бұрын

You think there's high fidelity cameras with slow motion monitors available at all PDGA events? 😂 Most of these media companies are shooting on handhelds....

@joshbelcher4624 5 ай бұрын

@@cup_and_cone That’s why I said “should”. It pays to read 🙄

@cup_and_cone 5 ай бұрын

@@joshbelcher4624Take your own lesson to heart. Should and could are inherently differently.

@derpderpin1568 5 ай бұрын

@@cup_and_cone Except in this case they're interchangeable because yes they do have good enough cameras at all PDGA events. Even the C tiers. One cell phone camera is literally enough so of course any amount of broadcast equipment is.

@kitpalencar5165 5 ай бұрын

This is the higher level of play that would probably be more relevant in ball golf... not so much disc golf.

@markmcgarity 4 ай бұрын

so disc golf doesn't have rules? they shouldn't be enforced? wtf are you saying?

@gordonhubbard7517 5 ай бұрын

This is what happens when stupid players know stupid rules.

@markmcgarity 5 ай бұрын

he's stupid because he knows and follows the rules? you don't follow rules you pay the penalty, simple stuff. in life, you don't follow rules you get a ticket, go to jail or you are fired from your job. sports and games have rules as well, basic shit you learn when you're 5

@leeville1043 5 ай бұрын

U r allowed to step on disc. Can't go past where the back of marker would be, which is the front of the disc.

@flumpo 5 ай бұрын

That's not true, you either choose to have your lie behind your disc or behind your mini, you can't have both

@leeville1043 5 ай бұрын

@@flumpo wrong. The rules only mention "behind the marker disc." If you don't use a marker disc it is the front of playing disc. Even so it would be a marking violation which would be a warning on 1st offense. The rules don't say you can't stand on your disc.

@flumpo 5 ай бұрын

@@leeville1043 When you get to your throwing disc, your lie is placed behind it, if you decide to put your mini marker then your lie changes to behind the mini. So, if you want to have your lie starting at the front of you throwing disc you need to place your mini marker, if you don't do it then your lie is officially behind your throwing disc, meaning that if you step on your disc you made a foot fault.

@markmcgarity 5 ай бұрын

@@leeville1043 the rules say you can't step on your mini or your disc...wow, some of you are clueless

@deepsender 5 ай бұрын

@@markmcgarity: You can step on your disc, if you place a mini marker first. For example you are throwing from a knee and want to protect your knee by just leaving the original disc in-place, and kneeling on it.

@JC-kj1rb 4 ай бұрын

He didn't even mark it with a mini. Therefore he has to the front of his disc. Only a idiot who feels threaten would call such B.S. call!! There's always "That Guy"!!

@markmcgarity 2 ай бұрын

lol...if you don't mark your shot, the BACK of the disc(closest to you) is your lie AND you can't step on it

@bobbysands6893 5 ай бұрын

this is the gayest call ever.

@judasblewit 5 ай бұрын

Lol

@markmcgarity 5 ай бұрын

says the 12 yr old homophobe

@markmcgarity 4 ай бұрын

12 yr old homophobe much?

@markmcgarity 3 ай бұрын

i saw bobby's name and number in a porta potty, and it said he likes a good ol' rusty trombone. that must sound like shit!

@mv2212 5 ай бұрын

Bitchmove by gilbert. He only wants a point from this. Too obvious. Would that guy be a more famous discgolfer he would NEVER throw the footfault out.