Convert Your Bike To A 1x / Single Chainring Setup!

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6 жыл бұрын

Are you thinking of converting to a 1X setup? Jon talks you through easily hacking your drivetrain from a double into a single chainring system.
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1X drivetrains are growing in popularity and have already taken over the off-road world. They have also grown in recognition on road, due to their use in professional squad Aqua Blue Sport. For this job, you will need a specific narrow wide chainring, a derailleur hanger extension and some basic tools to remove your old chainrings. You may also require shorter chainring bolts if they do not tighten down sufficiently. We hope you enjoy Jon's latest hack and that it may inspire you to get creative yourself!
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@gcntech
@gcntech 6 жыл бұрын
Are you thinking of converting to a 1X drivetrain? Let us know. 👇
@AceDomil
@AceDomil 6 жыл бұрын
On a roadbike? Never. Why would I sacrifice the extra ratios of a 2X ? The newest Ultegra rear mechs will handle a 34 cog cassette. I already ride a 50/34 chainset so with that rear mech I can handle anything.
@hugsparty
@hugsparty 6 жыл бұрын
I've recently completed a conversion on my steel audax frame to a gravel-lite setup with a Shimano CX50 crankset, 40t Hope retainer ring, a 10sp 11-36 casette and a 9sp Deore XT rear mech. Slightly less hacky than your method but it works an absolute charm, as the pull ratio on the mtb mech is almost identical to that of the 10sp 105 STI shifters. Ive been running it on and off road and absolutely love it! The stronger spring in the mtb mech coupled with the retainer ring keep the chain pretty firmly in place without any drama too.
@gulfcitynd
@gulfcitynd 6 жыл бұрын
Ill stick my current setup
@LegSpinna
@LegSpinna 6 жыл бұрын
Here's where I am with 1X.......... I wish you luck in the future, but I can't invest in you so I'm out,
@robbak6077
@robbak6077 6 жыл бұрын
No. Not on my road bike. Maybe I'm just not strong enough, but I often use the small chainring on my 50-34 11-30 setup. I have Sram Eagle on my mtb and even on that bike I'm not sure yet. I do like the smaller steps between gears of a 2x.
@D.Eldon_
@D.Eldon_ 6 жыл бұрын
For many years, I ran a 2x drivetrain on my main road bike with 34-50t compact chainrings on the front and an 11-26t cassette on the rear. This bike is never used on gravel or rough pavement and is never used in mountains (it's mostly used in low rolling hills). After two years of never needing to use the 34t chainring, I converted the bike to a 1x. This was three years ago. I have a SRAM drivetrain and all I needed to do was switch to a 50t SRAM X-Sync 1x chainring at the front and an 11x28t cassette at the rear. 28t was the largest cog my rear derailleur could accommodate. I used that setup successfully for two years (about 10000 miles or 16093 km). At the beginning of this year, I switched to a 52t oval Rotor QX1 Aero chainring on the front (equivalent to a 54t round chainring) and an 11-32t cassette with a SRAM Red WiFLi rear derailleur with a medium cage. I would have preferred an even bigger chainring -- like a 56 or 58t -- but the only ones I could find were poor quality and did not position the teeth in the correct location. The reason for the bigger chainring is to reduce friction by moving the chain closer to the center of the cassette during most use (a trick used with triathlete and TT bikes). _Here are some potential problems to avoid:_ *Rear derailleur hanger extender* - The top jockey wheel of a rear derailleur must not only clear the largest cog in the cassette (typically with 4-6 mm to spare) but the track of the rear derailleur as it moves across the cassette must be at an appropriate angle so it maintains an acceptable distance from each cog. Rear derailleurs that are designed for wide-range cassettes are designed with both requirements in mind. All the hanger extender does is enable the top jockey wheel of a standard derailleur to clear a larger cog. It does not change the tracking angle of the derailleur. This means the top jockey wheel may be too far away from the smallest cog if it is beyond its range. The result is poor shifting. The best solution is to get a rear derailleur that is designed for the cassette range you plan to use. If you must use a hanger extender, then be very careful to check the hanger+extender alignment to the wheel. Any hanger alignment errors will be magnified with an extender and that, too, will degrade your shifting. Park Tool Dag-2.2 will help you to both measure the alignment and bend the hanger+extender into the correct position. *1x chainring* - The most important design feature of a 1x chainring is not wide/narrow teeth -- rather, it is the location of the teeth. Theoretically, you want the teeth to be centered in the driveline to the center of the cassette. If you compare it to a 2x setup, the 1x chainring teeth should be in the middle between the outer and inner 2x chainrings. In practice, SRAM recommends that you favor the outer cog of the cassette by 1-2 mm. This is why a 2x outer chainring is unsuitable for a 1x setup -- it's teeth are too far off-center (toward the outside), which perpetuates the cross-chaining problem to the largest cog. _But here's the problem that catches some by surprise:_ There are some cheap 1x chainrings on the market that do not locate the teeth in the correct position for a proper 1x drivetrain. Therefore, if you decide to experiment on your own (like I have) you need to do your homework on drivelines (a.k.a. chainlines) and measure the current driveline offset of your bike at the rear cassette. Then make sure the 1x chainring you use is compatible with your driveline. *Chain length* - The chain in the video looked too long. I recommend shifting to the biggest cassette cog, thread the chain through the rear derailleur and around the largest cog and the chainring, then pull the chain together until the rear derailleur cage is pulled nearly as far forward as it will go _without rotating the top jockey wheel too close to the cog._ Mark this chain length and add two links to it. This method takes the most work (and strength) but it produces the best results. _Tips:_ Road racing frames with shorter chainstays are problematic for 1x because they have more dramatic angles in their driveline when cross-chaining. One way to reduce this problem a little, is to use a 10-speed cassette and rear derailleur. It will move the largest cog closer to the center of the driveline. Some cyclists who criticize 1x for having steps between cogs that are too large will probably blow a fuse over such a suggestion. But I rode a 2x6 drivetrain for many years and never noticed a problem. I could still find an acceptable gear ratio for the cadence I wanted to use. And, when you consider the redundancy in gear ratios of a 2x system, the actual "usable" gear ratios that you have is less. So I have no problem with the step size from 11 to 32t on a 10-speed cassette in a 1x system today. And I doubt I'll have any trouble with an 11-36t, either. Use what works for you and don't let others force you into their idea of "perfection". If you lube your chain with wax, be aware that 1x systems can take a little more work. You need to manually push a freshly waxed chain onto the wide/narrow teeth of a 1x chainring while slowly turning the crank for the full length of the chain in order to push out extra wax from the gaps in the chain. If you don't, the freshly waxed chain may derail off the chainring when you first use it. Most 1x chainrings have longer teeth than their 2x counterparts, but the tooth length of all 1x chainrings are not the same. For example, the teeth of my Rotor QX1 Aero are 8.0 mm long and the teeth of my SRAM X-Sync are 7.0 mm long. The longer 8.0 mm teeth can make it even more difficult to break in a newly waxed chain because the longer teeth engage the gaps of the chain earlier and must push more extra wax out of the gaps. This may not be a big deal to most waxers because the benefits often outweigh the problems. But it's something to be aware of.
@davidimon
@davidimon 6 жыл бұрын
Comprehensive reply there my friend, nice work!
@namdude0373
@namdude0373 6 жыл бұрын
SRAM tech docs say to add four links to the chain rather than two (3 links plus the power link), I'm not sure why but this applies to Rival and force 1x
@th_js
@th_js 6 жыл бұрын
Wow, that's a lot of writing!
@D.Eldon_
@D.Eldon_ 6 жыл бұрын
_@Casey Sanders_ - I think you're talking about clutch rear derailleurs. Add 2 links (1 inch or 25.4 mm) for a standard rear derailleur and add 4 links (2 inches or 50.8 mm) for one with a clutch. Remember, the procedure I described above already includes the chain length needed for the cage and jockey wheels because the chain is threaded through it when making the measurement. Since a standard (non-clutch) rear derailleur was used in the video and that's what I use also, I avoided talking about clutches. I see no need for them for smooth paved roads because there is minimal chain slap to dampen. Plus, the clutch adds unwanted friction to the drivetrain -- something I'm trying to reduce. SRAM's 1x systems are designed primarily for cyclo-cross and gravel bikes. They aren't making 1x components for pure road cyclists like me -- yet. But a road rear derailleur (no clutch) with a medium or large cage works fine with a wide-range cassette in a 1x system if you stick to smooth roads. So I don't think that a new rear derailleur design is needed. The primary reason to change the rear derailleur is if you are adding a new cassette that has a wider range and needs it. The only "problem" using a SRAM 1x system on a pure road bike -- and it's a minor one -- is that SRAM's X-Sync chainrings all have the wide teeth shaped with a bulge to clean the mud and debris out of a chain during cyclo-cross. I believe this adds friction. Plus it makes for a slightly noisier chainring. If they decide to market 1x for pure road bikes, they'll need to make 1x chainrings with smooth teeth optimized for that application. In the meantime, I wouldn't recommend an X-Sync for a pure road bike *if you're seeking every affordable marginal gain.* I used an X-Sync for two years on the road -- it works fine. But, now that I have my oval Rotor QX1 Aero chainring with smooth 1x wide/narrow teeth, I doubt I'll ever go back to either a 1x chainring with cyclo-cross teeth or a round chainring again. I'm not 100% convinced that the longer 8.0 mm teeth of the QX1 are needed or really help. But I have to defer to Rotor on that because they have loads of experience with oval chainrings and the tooth length may partly satisfy the requirements of a non-round shape.
@garybrown9719
@garybrown9719 5 жыл бұрын
Please do a you set up for road bikes I'm setting up a giant tcr 1x11 I have an xo mt bike derailleur I was thinking of using Thanks for your insight
@pastagreyhound
@pastagreyhound 6 жыл бұрын
I have four 1x rigs. Love it. Three are converted from standard and one is the latest SLX 1x11 iteration. Not sure I'd convert my road bikes over though. I did, however, convert an old GT ZR road bike from drop bars to straight and put on a WickWerks narrow/wide 42t CX chainring with 11/36 in the back. Light and quick!
@nicks6871
@nicks6871 6 жыл бұрын
i wish my shed was full of "bits and pieces" like this :(
@TLa08
@TLa08 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah, an Eddy Merckx EMX-525 frame is more expensive then my complete "summer" racebike :(
@sfdint
@sfdint 2 жыл бұрын
Just made the switch to a 1x drive system. Can't believe how much it has simplified my ride! I lost a gear or two on the high end, but I'm 70 years old and I can still hit 30 mph without spinning out. Not needing to switch from large to small rings up front, especially when I'm doing a lot of up and downhill, just eliminates a lot of bother and making fine adjustments in the rear after you switch front rings. No down side for me.
@ericsmucker4724
@ericsmucker4724 6 жыл бұрын
Old Trek 720 With a 10 speed 11-40 cassette coupled with a 42 tooth wide narrow. Rear derailleur is a Shimano Zee mtb short cage with a Microsoft 10 speed bar end shifter. Works great! Never dropped a chain with this setup.
@peterbee8892
@peterbee8892 6 жыл бұрын
I have converted my giant defy with roadlink extender and added a 11 40 shimano cassette. Worked all ok since August last year. Still have ultegra dual rings up front. Spacer needed when adding the mtb cassette. Works a treat and no roads need you to leave the saddle.
@icyraikkonen2516
@icyraikkonen2516 6 жыл бұрын
I really want a video where we go through Jon's attic and see all these bikes!
@TheBassallyear100
@TheBassallyear100 6 жыл бұрын
Good video! I live in pan flat Florida so have been using 1x on my road bike for a while now. SRAM eTap rear mech paired with an X-sync chainring has been a great combo. I run an 11-26 out back full time and have 46 and 50 tooth chainrings that I can switch between as the need arises. 50 tooth is the standard setup.
@gcntech
@gcntech 6 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed Jon's video Nicholas!
@KriegKadaver
@KriegKadaver 6 жыл бұрын
I got a 2017 Trek Crossrip 1, it had a 48/32 chainrings with 11-32 cassette. With shimano Sora 9 speed shifters/derailleurs. I found myself never going to the smaller ring upfront, only trimming. So it was logical to just put a narrow-wide 48t chainring. No other modifications, just removed the shifter cable, front derailleur and switched to 48t narrow-wide chainring. Works like a dream! No more worries about trimming, and for my fitness / endurance rides 1by works great! I do think this is the future. They used 2by and 3by because technology wasn't quite there yet to put many sprockets in the back. Now we have that. 9 is enough for a recreational rider like me, I'm sure 12 will be plenty for more advanced riders.
@Hvaspen
@Hvaspen 4 жыл бұрын
I have been riding a 1 x for years. Started with a 48t track crank and a 14-28 6 speed cassette on an old steel frame about 30 years ago. Latest is a super lightweight Neil Pryde carbon frame with sram red and a 50t narrow/wide with a 11-30 cassette. Plus many other 1x builds on all types of bikes, Road, Mountain and Hybrid. Always on the lookout for broken left hand shifters that I can strip down to provide a lightweight brake lever.
@dylanmurphy7942
@dylanmurphy7942 6 жыл бұрын
How to make a 1X for cheap - stay in the same front chainring
@gcntech
@gcntech 6 жыл бұрын
Haha that's one way!
@timpeterson3131
@timpeterson3131 6 жыл бұрын
...and remove the front deraillure
@chiefrocker12
@chiefrocker12 6 жыл бұрын
Not ideal....chain ring tooth angle and size is different to 1X (as pointed out above) , which make extreme angles noisy....
@KriegKadaver
@KriegKadaver 6 жыл бұрын
Tim Peterson, then the chain will be falling off cause the chainring has guides for going up/down (depending on where it's located). You NEED the narrow-wide chainring to keep it in place. Or the derailleur.
@manulaffon
@manulaffon 6 жыл бұрын
Tim Peterson I did that once, lost the chain 3 times on a downhill.. now I stick to dérailleur or narrow-wide chainring (on my cross bike)
@mcjcg1372
@mcjcg1372 6 жыл бұрын
I have heard of a Narrow wide before and even seen them on KZfaq but this is the first time a someone explained what it was thank you
@JonCannings
@JonCannings 6 жыл бұрын
Mc Jcg my pleasure
@veloriderkm
@veloriderkm 6 жыл бұрын
I've previously hacked 1x on 2 cross bikes. First time around: SRAM Red crank with the 53T removed leaving the 39T. I used a short cage SRAM Red rear derailleur and no chain guide or keeper. Dropped a chain several times when in the smaller cogs (11-28 XG1090 cassette) on the rear so I shortened the chain and had fewer drops. On my 2nd time around I used an Ultegra 6800 crank with a Wolf Tooth 42T narrow-wide ring and a medium cage Force 1x RD (11-34 cassette) with 2012 Red shfiters. This setup was quite nice and stayed until I sold the bike. Next 1x setup on a future build will be Di2 road/mtb component combination.
@IanLoughead
@IanLoughead 6 жыл бұрын
I do it on my commuter bike. Even with big hills. It is an older bike with a 7 speed cassette, so I opted for a 40 tooth front ring, which gets me up most hills with the 28 in the rear. It is just easier to maintain, especially in the winter months.
@gethind-j2390
@gethind-j2390 6 жыл бұрын
Oh JohhnyTech, using Chorus, you always make the best choices!
@duwaynechestnut6577
@duwaynechestnut6577 6 жыл бұрын
Great video John, but there are many ways to do this. I have a Surly Cross Check that I hacked to 1x. I have Sram rival shifter, so I was able to use a Sram Gx (mountain bike) rear derailleur with a long cage (no extender needed). I went with a 11-40 cassette from Sun-Ring to help me up the mountains here in Utah. Up front I used a 44T standard chain ring with a chain-keeper. This eliminated the need for a narrow-wide chain ring. This has been a great set-up for several years now with no shifting problems, and no dropped chains (even on many long gravel rides).
@ag99percent
@ag99percent 6 жыл бұрын
Replaced rear derailleur with a low cost SRAM Apex 1 derailleur, 11 to 42 cassette, and kept the normal 50 tooth chainring. So far so good.
@crypto_que
@crypto_que 6 жыл бұрын
Is this a series you plan to update us on later? I'd love that, please let us know how it goes, maybe even some available upgrades. This concept is awesome.
@mattdavies55
@mattdavies55 5 жыл бұрын
Just ordered 1x10 parts for my flat bar road bike, Zee mech and Zee shifter, 11-36 with a 46 narrow/wide.
@rainierwolfcastle7799
@rainierwolfcastle7799 6 жыл бұрын
Short cage Chorus 11s fit a 32 just fine. I'm running 1x Chorus with a custom 14-34 cassette (bad knees) and a 40T elliptical chainring without a derailleur extender.
@sebastianboros3140
@sebastianboros3140 5 жыл бұрын
In the days of the square taper bottom bracket you would have had an added advantage when going 1x: the possibility to adjust the chainline by using shorter spindles.
@frazergoodwin4945
@frazergoodwin4945 6 жыл бұрын
So all I need is a Dura Ace Di2 equiped Merckx carbon frameset and I can hack a one by system. Bargain.
@JonCannings
@JonCannings 6 жыл бұрын
Frazer Goodwin or any frameset.
@frazergoodwin4945
@frazergoodwin4945 6 жыл бұрын
Just wish I had such spare kit kicking about ;-)
@JonCannings
@JonCannings 6 жыл бұрын
Frazer Goodwin 😉
@aidavcomedy
@aidavcomedy 2 жыл бұрын
I have…none of those… but I do have my imagination where anything is possible. 🥳
@jeffmitts5363
@jeffmitts5363 6 жыл бұрын
I have a 1X with full Ultegra , 11-40 sunrace cassette , wolf tooth hanger and 44T wolftooth chainring on a Kona Rove Ti. Works fantastic.
@scottdesmarais7871
@scottdesmarais7871 6 жыл бұрын
I recently converted my Kona Jake The Snake commuter bike to a 1x10. 42t Wolftooth oval chainring and 11-36 cassette. Switched out my 10-speed 105 derailleur for a 9-speed long cage Deore. It works like a dream.
@AzFLYINGzFRIDGE
@AzFLYINGzFRIDGE 6 жыл бұрын
Have used a bodged 1x system for British hill climbs last few years, all Shimano components, nothing special, just mounted the inner chain ring on the outside, and took a few chain links out to keep the tension tight! Haven't dropped a chain in 2 seasons of racing! Might go narrow wide chain ring this season though so extra safety
@Brockthedog315
@Brockthedog315 6 жыл бұрын
I use my 3x mountain bike on the road as a fitness tool and this is what I do. I decide before every ride which drivetrain I want to use. I keep it there for the whole ride and use all of the cassette in the back. This allows me to enjoy the ride, grind away and not worry so much about shifting. And of course I still have a 2x or 3x system if I want. To each their own and do what you want. The point is to get out and enjoy moving.
@crredmond11
@crredmond11 6 жыл бұрын
I am a total 1x convert. I use Sram 10spd shifter (road, tt, and mtb) with x5 rear derailleurs and 11-36 10spd cassettes on my road, time trial, cyclocross, and mountain bikes with different size chainrings, all 1x. One of the things I enjoy most about this set up is that I can swap cassettes, wheels, and derailleurs between different bikes. Simple, seamless, and efficient. What's not to love about 1x ?
@alantaylor6691
@alantaylor6691 6 жыл бұрын
Hello!!! I've got a Giant Contend SL 1 Disc 2018. This is an endurance road bike, remember that point, it is important. I got a Roadlink deraileur hanger extender and put it on. However instead of placing the extender downwards, I set it pointing back as far as it would go so it would clear bigger cogs. Now what I noticed straight away was that when I set it back as far as it would go, it set back further than what I noticed on other road bikes that did the same thing. My theory is that this was possible because it's an "endurance" road bike, and that because it's endurance, it's designed to come with a 32T cassette, which means it needs to clear cogs a bit bigger than a standard road bike. So I think the deraileur hanger of an endurance bike is set back a bit more than a standard road bike for that reason. Now before I purchased the Roadlink I knew that you could clear a 42T cog on a road bike with a medium-cage GSG road deraileur, which is what I have. So I ordered an 11-42T cassette and Roadlink. When I fit the Roadlink on, I saw it set back further than expected, and because it's set back more than a standard road bike, I'm able to clear the 42T cog with room to spare without a B-screw. I believe I should be able to clear a 44 without a B-screw and 46 with a B-screw, so I'll be trying that in the future. Moral of the story? If you have a standard road bike and a medium-cage GSG RD, you'll be able to clear a 42T with Roadlink. But if you have an endurance road bike, you should be able to clear more than 42T as endurance bike RD hangers are set back further than standard road bikes. Bet you didn't know that eh, quite exciting news isn't it?! There is another factor coming to play as to why I've got such large clearance, and that is chain length. A shorter chain pulls the upper jockey wheel away from the big cog, giving you more clearance. It also gives you the chain tension to run wide ranges, and also helps keep the chain on the chainring even without a narrow-wide. Just remember to put the chainring on the outer position as without a narrow-wide the chain will fall off the chainring when in the small cog if the chainring is in the inner position. When the chain is at it's loosest, you want the chainline to be straighter. The acute chainline from outer chainring position to big cog doesn't result in the chain coming off a standard chainring because there's a lot of chain tension when in the big cog. When installing, set the chain on the big cog, then shorten the chain until the chain is almost straight through the jockey wheels. Your bottom jockey wheel should be pointing more forwards than downwards. Basically when your chain is in the second biggest cog, the chain length should be such that the RD should be about in the position people normally have it when on the biggest cog. Know what I mean? Works a treat. Have I been helpful, I've been very helpful haven't I?
@GeekonaBike
@GeekonaBike 6 жыл бұрын
The wolf tooth hanger extension didn't match up with the B-tension screw on mine so I switched to an MtB derailleur & Wolf Tooth Components Tanpan Shimano. Shifts like a dream + clutched for better chain tension & barrel adjuster inline.
@AlphaAce15
@AlphaAce15 6 жыл бұрын
For new Shimano Road (R9100, R8000, R7000). My friends tested it using Standard medium cage RD w/o extender with 11-40t XT 11s cassette and so far, the drivetrain doesn't have any problem. (Ultegra RX RD is highly recommended)
@garybrown9719
@garybrown9719 5 жыл бұрын
Please do a you set up for road bikes I'm setting up a giant tcr 1x11 I have an xo mt bike derailleur I was thinking of using Thanks for your insight
@paulolsen6870
@paulolsen6870 6 жыл бұрын
I took the small chainring and downtube shifter off my 1987 Centurion Dave Scott, using washers to take up the slack on the chainring. I left the cassette as is, so it worked fine. Slight amount of crossover that I would imagine could have been dealt with somehow if I had felt like it.
@simonguard5087
@simonguard5087 6 жыл бұрын
I've just stumbled across my old Pinarello Dogma frameset also in my loft and blow me my 2016 Super Record groupo, Let the 1 X build commence. 🚵🏼
@mariuskaupas
@mariuskaupas 5 жыл бұрын
Lol
@bonjelaface9798
@bonjelaface9798 5 жыл бұрын
Colnago rang me and are making me a frame. Can't wait to use this as my pub bike.
@hugobrown2516
@hugobrown2516 5 жыл бұрын
Doing it this weekend. But got to get the 11-36T soon
@JeffLow85
@JeffLow85 6 жыл бұрын
Run Di2 and you can use your road brifters with a mountain bike mech, no more worries about chain tension, and no need for a hanger extension.
@michaelkettleson7317
@michaelkettleson7317 6 жыл бұрын
I have built up a Specialized roubaix frame bought off ebay with Sram 1X11, I live in North Yorkshire just outside the North Yorkshire Moors national park, lots off steep hills 20-25% in places. I'm 67 and fitted a 42 chainring and Sunrace 11-50 cassette., on these hills I can get up them - just, with 1X I am always in a the right gear for the different roads and constantly change gear easily when going up or down hills, no messing around finding the right combination of front and rear gears. I can get 23-28 max on the flat when I can find it without windy conditions, (for a short period).
@benstanden8784
@benstanden8784 6 жыл бұрын
Jon, I think I speak for a lot of viewers when I say I'd love to see a "GCN behind the scenes" of your bike collection/garage/attic/shed :D Given how many people are doing 1x conversions, why haven't Shimano come out with a dedicated road 1x groupset yet >.< ! With Ultegra RX and now the new MTB 1x12, I wonder if Shimano do have something on the way... I hacked my old commuter bike to 1x9 speed, it was absolutely great for commuting and a light bot of offroading - shame I sold that bike really. Building up a CX bike soon and that will certainly be 1x and I hope to convert my TT bike to 1x too.
@jack2seng
@jack2seng 6 жыл бұрын
My setup R8000 rear mech with M8000 11-40T without extended
@Bav11
@Bav11 6 жыл бұрын
11-40 runs nice using a wolftooth hanger (similar to the red thingy) and a medium cage 105.
@chiefrocker12
@chiefrocker12 6 жыл бұрын
Yes....I ran 11-40 with Roadlink and works well. Slight loss in accurate shifting though,but you get used to it.
@manulaffon
@manulaffon 6 жыл бұрын
You don't even need a medium cage derailleur for this, since the derailleur capacity is reduce due to the lack of second ring. Short cage works just fine.
@patrickhance7348
@patrickhance7348 6 жыл бұрын
I already have a 1 x drivetrain for in the cyclocross season I recommend that.good video j.
@gcntech
@gcntech 6 жыл бұрын
Cheers Pat
@cyclingneon3422
@cyclingneon3422 6 жыл бұрын
I really like the hack GCN :)
@simonides7755
@simonides7755 6 жыл бұрын
Cheers Jon. It sounds like my bike "library" is quite similar to yours. I've actually converted three of my di2 road bikes, and my fat-bike to 1x. Using ultegra 6800 mid-cage derailleurs + wolf tooth roadlink, paired with either sram 11/36 road cassette or shimano 11/42 xt cassette. Oh, and also have the sram xd hub on a set of local made carbon disc wheels with 10/42 cassette. Love all of them and have been putting more miles on them that my 2x setups. I've been meaning to submit one of them for the bike vault... anyway, when I want to feel free and not think at all while peddling, 1x is a treat - easier or harder is all I have to consider when clicking that shift button :)
@gcntech
@gcntech 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks Simon for watching 👍
@benceolah5992
@benceolah5992 6 жыл бұрын
Nice. Could do a video about your experiences too? I would be interested in it.
@MZzXzZM
@MZzXzZM 6 жыл бұрын
I only use my big ring so can I just change it to a narrow wide chainring and removing the small ring?
@leqin
@leqin 6 жыл бұрын
Ultegra hydraulic discs and a black chainring teamed up with a RX rear mech and roadlink feeding a xt cassette - like the hack though and hope it helps others try out 1by setups.
@Mattijsopdebeeck
@Mattijsopdebeeck 6 жыл бұрын
I just removed the front derailleur on my rain-commute bike (yes I have one of those 🤓) I was always riding in the big ring and on two or three tooth in the back. Why? no rubbing at all.
@mattsoutside
@mattsoutside 3 жыл бұрын
I just got a new Checkpoint ALR 4, 2021. It’s a 2x10, GRX 400. I really wanted a 1x, but this was available and affordable in a scarce market. I also really liked the fit and ride of it. What parts would I need to upgrade to a 1x system for it?
@Bubbleduch59
@Bubbleduch59 4 жыл бұрын
The issue I have on my already 1x cyclocross setup is with the chainring clearance. I seems impossible for me to fit a 46T chainring upfront without degrading the chainline. Are there any hacks for this ?
@hawkeye5035
@hawkeye5035 6 жыл бұрын
I have hacked my drivetrain on my commuter... 42t narrow/wide front ring with an 11-32 on the rear. If you take a link or two out of your chain you can probably increase the rear mech tension while still allowing access to the biggest cog. If have had no issues since I converted (about 6 months ago)!!
@unairamos74
@unairamos74 6 жыл бұрын
How did it go? Any chain drops? I'm currently doing the very same hack but keeping the 13-29 cassette, until I find out whether it's enough or not. Great video!
@Digi20
@Digi20 6 жыл бұрын
Does a Ultegra/DuraAce Di2 work with a 1x Setup, or is it confused without the front mech?
@JoshuaOnTheTube
@JoshuaOnTheTube 5 жыл бұрын
Are chainrings specific for the chain width? Or do all chainrings fit with all 7/8/9/10/11 speed chains?
@dannyr333
@dannyr333 4 жыл бұрын
That drivetrain is awesome that is what I'm gonna do 50t up front and 11-28...on back... I live in florida I think that 28t will be enough but should I invest in a 32?? idk
@om3981
@om3981 5 жыл бұрын
Im all ready for it So I have treck checpoint ALR-4 Tiagra 2x10 setup What is the best way to go 1x?
@hanspeter8295
@hanspeter8295 6 жыл бұрын
I made my SRAM red etap wifli groupsett 1x with a SRAM CX1 chainring and a 11-32 cassette. It works absolutely perfect, I never dropped a chain, even on gravel roads or fast races. I'm gonna experiment with a 3T Overdrive 9-32 Cassette. 1x is the way to go and most importantly: it looks amazing!
@gcntech
@gcntech 6 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@matthewhan2232
@matthewhan2232 6 жыл бұрын
I'm looking to set up a allez 1x bike with this set up. What parts do I need for shifting? I'm used to shimano shifters (shifting RD on right brake lever) but understand the shifting on etap is on left and right brake levers?
@hanspeter8295
@hanspeter8295 6 жыл бұрын
Matthew Han you need a rear derailleur, right and left brake lever, and a narrow wide chainring. 💪 + Cassette and chain
@plantfuelled8912
@plantfuelled8912 6 жыл бұрын
I went though all this exitement on my mountain bike 10 years ago, less bar clutter plus you save 200g from no front derailleur one less chain ring and no cable and outer. I just don't get the point on a road bike. You'll either be spun out every time you ride downhill over 45 kmh or grinding up every gradient over 10%. I have a 53-36 with an 11-36 mountain bike cassette on the back, works like a charm, massive range.
@lengilongo
@lengilongo 6 жыл бұрын
John what tyres are you using? *does his magic* Here you go
@YoureSoVane
@YoureSoVane 6 жыл бұрын
Hacked mine. Standard Q ring, clutch rear Sram Force derailleur, 11-42 cassette. Down shift too fast while spinning you might drop the chain, and I don't know if a N/W ring will still that. Does everything just fine.
@gkazanjian5976
@gkazanjian5976 6 жыл бұрын
@Jon Cannings Do the zip ties on the chain stay actually work as cable stoppers?
@billyvosnakis6313
@billyvosnakis6313 5 жыл бұрын
I have a problem with 1x chainring ... everything works fine .. but my chain comes off the 1x ring ... that happens when I change gears or in the same gear cruising & it happens out of the blue. Any ideas ? Thanks
@jerrybear3081
@jerrybear3081 5 жыл бұрын
hacked together a 1x with an early 80s panasonic frame/fork and a set of 29er mtb wheels. all i bought was the 700x23c tires which are cheap. best way for a mtb guy to try road biking.
@prblakeslee
@prblakeslee 5 жыл бұрын
I dumped my 3X ringset on my trike a few months back and will never go back! . I kept all my stock pieces other than 1x cankset&chainring. Total price was about $40. Total weight loss of bike was 2.0 lbs! PS: I noted some comments below where posters' kept stock big chainring. Dont do it! Spend a few bucks and get a 1x (thick/thin) chainring. It will save you some frustration. PSS: Vs swap out rear gears for a 32T+ big ring setup....or even a 10T small-ring setup ($$), this is what I did: For my daily training stomping grounds (flat), I run a 50T 11x32 setup.....when I decide to do some hill riding, I simply swap out the 50T chainring for a smaller chainring and all is good. Takes only a few minutes, and only costs the price of a second 1X ring!
@alexfulton375
@alexfulton375 6 жыл бұрын
Any way I can bodge a Claris rear derailleur to fit a 36 tooth cassette?
@user-yn5sk5ru5g
@user-yn5sk5ru5g 6 жыл бұрын
Done this twice on MTB's, both times 1x10. Once with a hybrid, with 1x10. And on my CX with 1x11. Never dropped a chain with narrow wide rings.
@gcntech
@gcntech 6 жыл бұрын
👍
@paavanpanchal1067
@paavanpanchal1067 4 жыл бұрын
I have 3×6 system, 14-28 cassette, what 1x chainring size would you recommend? (34t,36t, etc.)
@jeffbrunton3291
@jeffbrunton3291 6 жыл бұрын
My Hack is a 46 chain rinG with a XT RD for a 40t cassette Great 1x But I am keeping the inner 34 granny ring aswell......
@Lordash2000
@Lordash2000 6 жыл бұрын
Can someone explain to me the advantages of a 1X setup on a road bike? My road bike came with a compact 50-34t up front and an 11-32t cassette, so by converting to 1X I'm just sacrificing the use of my small ring but for what gain? I can understand you'd save a bit of weight but surely that is only going to be useful if you're riding a lot of hills which you'll no longer be able to do because you've lost your climbing ring on the front. am I missing something?
@philspencelayh5464
@philspencelayh5464 6 жыл бұрын
Interesting video to show how to do it but if you have already got a dual chain ring and you do the work on the rear of the drive train but keep the front the same you will be able to climb anything when it gets tough with no downside. I can see that 1x is a benefit to manufacturers as it should be cheaper but can't see any to a user.
@phil.willoughby
@phil.willoughby 6 жыл бұрын
Other ways to do this (that I have done): 1. All SRAM 10-speed MTB rear mechs work with all SRAM 11-speed road rear shifters. So if you have SRAM shifter you can buy a cheap GX clutch derailleur: you won't need the extender, the tension will be much better, and you'll have a lot better chain wrap all through the cassette so shifting will be much improved. 2. You can leave the inner ring on there instead of using spacers or shorter bolts, it works perfectly and just looks a bit crappy. Not a hack or bodge, but be realistic about what gearing you need. I find I don't spin out a 42x11 in the real world and 42x32 is about the same lowest gear as a 28 cassette on a compact chainset so I don't have problems on hills.
@r3drum3k92
@r3drum3k92 4 жыл бұрын
Not 1x for me but I did extend a campagnolo short cage this way into a 11-34T shimano casette hybrid setup for climbing. Not recommended but works great.
@gcntech
@gcntech 4 жыл бұрын
Great to hear that its working for you
@olivierhenrat5881
@olivierhenrat5881 5 жыл бұрын
Hello Jon and GCN. Would you say that a clutch derailleur for a 1x drive train on a road is NOT necessary? I've you been riding enough the set up of the video to get an opinion on this topic?
@RyonBeachner
@RyonBeachner 6 жыл бұрын
I’m thinking about hacking the new Campy Super Record 12spd onto my gravel bike as a 1x, but I’m concerned that the entire country of Italy may erupt into flames, can you guys advise? Thanks!
@reddevil211287
@reddevil211287 3 жыл бұрын
How’d you get in without the clutch rear derailleur? Trying to do the same thing due to the current parts shortage
@tfmaus
@tfmaus 6 жыл бұрын
Perhaps somebody here can help me...I have a 14 speed road bike (Tourney A070 entry level Shimano groupset) and I'm thinking about changing the crankset and bottom bracket for a Sora model FC-R3000. Since both cranksets are 50/34, do I have to change anything else or is all there is to it?
@matthewlewis2072
@matthewlewis2072 6 жыл бұрын
Given the Aquablue pro team experience of 1x, why would you want to?
@mrericmoon
@mrericmoon 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Jon! I've converted my older Giant TCX Pro to 1X. It's actually not too much of a hack (it's almost proper!) as I've gone with the new Ultegra RX Clutch RD and I have a couple of different Wolf Tooth narrow-wide chainrings to work with for different conditions. Although, my first two cyclocross experiences have been in slippery/sticky mud and I can't see needing more than the 36T I currently have up front paired with an 11-34 cassette in the rear. My question is... Do you have a hack for "locking out" the left shift/brake lever so it isn't so sloppy and floppy? I have some ideas on how to achieve this, but I'd like to hear your thoughts before I proceed. (I'm running Shimano 105 11 speed levers)
@J-Young_photography
@J-Young_photography 2 жыл бұрын
i keep having drop chain in the chainring area. how to ensure the chain tension is correct? i may have a bit too long chain
@janiguirguis7969
@janiguirguis7969 5 жыл бұрын
Hello guys Now I want to convert to single drive train but I've 130bcd Sram red exogram. Could anyone provide me with a purchase link of the right chainring ? Thanks
@rtorano1
@rtorano1 2 жыл бұрын
Can I convert my Ritchey Timberwolf to a 1x10 or a 2x10 I ride it only on the road want to make it much quicker?
@Richz2
@Richz2 4 жыл бұрын
what make is the chainring and will it fit a Shimano ultegra11 speed crank?
@shaunhoulahan4080
@shaunhoulahan4080 6 жыл бұрын
Definitely inspired to have a go myself.
@gcntech
@gcntech 6 жыл бұрын
Go for it Shaun!
@lorenzozanotti4239
@lorenzozanotti4239 3 жыл бұрын
if I use a rear derailleur with a clutch and a non narrow-wide chainring, the chain shouldn’t come off, right?
@galenkehler
@galenkehler 6 жыл бұрын
Almost had a heart attack hearing Jon "fit for purpose" Cannings hack his way through this 😜
@deanwong2186
@deanwong2186 3 жыл бұрын
For anyone who's curious about a 50t Chainring + 11-42t 11-speed Cassette combination, here's my setup: 50t Wolf Tooth Narrow-Wide Chainring for Shimano R7000 Crankarm. 11-42t 11-speed Shimano XT Cassette on an 11-speed hub without spacer. Shimano Ultegra RX derailleur with Wolf Tooth Roadlink DM. 116 Chain links Shimano Dura-ace (Any chain suitable for the Chainring will do too). Although the Ultegra RX has the clutch mechanism, I like that it gives the option of turning it off for smoother shifting. I found the clutch not required on asphalt when paired with the Wolf Tooth Chainring--No chain slips so far after 400miles. On light gravel paths (~2" obstacles), it runs well without relying on the clutch as well. The clutch is still useful to minimize slaps on bumpier trails. The cassette spacer on an 11-speed hub had me puzzled. While adding the 1.85mm spacer is recommended when pairing an 11-speed MTB cassette to an 11-speed road hub and tuning unloaded appears to validate it, riding the bike revealed otherwise--excessive noise on high gears (small sprockets). The skewed chainline was the main contributing factor after fiddling with the derailleur high limit screw and tension. Removing the spacer had solved the issue and even with a slightly more skewed chainline on the low gears (large sprockets), the noise was minimal. If available, I'll suggest going for more than 116 chain links for this configuration to reduce the derailleur extension on lower gears--Shimano sells 11-speed chains with 126 links. Sadly, I'd only found the 116 links version available in the shops nearby. Hope this might help anyone save a few (mis)steps and pain. Ride on!
@j19591000
@j19591000 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Can you add a double chainring to a x1?
@charlietrumpet1266
@charlietrumpet1266 2 жыл бұрын
Greetings. Have a 12 to 28Teeth Shimano 10 speed cassette. How many teeth should the front chainring have? Is 40Teeth good for road?
@wojciechzalewski7687
@wojciechzalewski7687 3 жыл бұрын
Hello. Is it possible to convert basic 2x10 GRX to 1x11 GRX or I need to buy whole new 1x11 groupset?
@jackseddon5911
@jackseddon5911 4 жыл бұрын
I have a 3x9 what size chainring should I get upfront ?
@manusplanet
@manusplanet 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, can I use fixie crankset for 1x11 conversion?
@svenrill123
@svenrill123 6 жыл бұрын
Doing it next month 😁 (I'm on Si's side, 1x is definitely 'a' future.)
@gcntech
@gcntech 6 жыл бұрын
Cool, let us know how you get on
@adit8206
@adit8206 4 жыл бұрын
I was tight on budget so i got an affordable bicycle with 3x7 gears rear gears are 14-28 & after trying to climb a hill i started to think that i should've invested more cos the lower gears aren't low enough
@ShihabdeentheCyclist
@ShihabdeentheCyclist 7 ай бұрын
what about if we change it to 2 Chainring setup?
@heikkimuskelipeli52
@heikkimuskelipeli52 6 жыл бұрын
Mine is crosschaining really bad is there anything I can do about it?
@joeocarroll1561
@joeocarroll1561 6 жыл бұрын
Definitely doing this😇
@denismacfarlane255
@denismacfarlane255 6 жыл бұрын
Wow i have 50 tooth front with 11-32 rear and short cage oem never an issue
@SirBrass
@SirBrass Ай бұрын
I'm think of converting my 3x7 to a 1x9 on my 26" bike. I don't feel like dealing with cross chaining or tuning the front derailleur, either. 1x9 should give me a wide enough selection for the occasional bike path, but with the simplicity that pavement is just fine with. And I'm going to convert to ebike in the future, too. So a 9 speed cassette will be plenty of gears for use with a 500W middrive. I just need to figure out what size chainring I want in the interim.
@richnerd8757
@richnerd8757 6 жыл бұрын
Are we gonna get a video of you testing and tweaking this hack? 😁 you have me genuinely interested in doing this !
@gcntech
@gcntech 6 жыл бұрын
Could do Richard!
@tume8122
@tume8122 5 жыл бұрын
what size cassette? How many teeth front chainring?
@hakyzng
@hakyzng 4 жыл бұрын
Is cube aim race 2020 capable to run 1x11?
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