It's dame if you do, dame if you don't. If he obeyed all Liu Bang's orders, he would not have won the battles. E.g. Once, he was forced to give nearly the all the army men (500,000 strong that he accumulated during his victorious battles) to Liu Bang who then lead an attack against Xiang Yu's 30,000 and lost.

I think if you shine brightly enough or just pure badass, you can survive the master's wrath. Georgy Zhukov won so hard against Germany that Stalin got jealous of his fame. But Zhukov was too bright and heroic, so instead, Stalin just sent him to a shitty post in Siberia.

@@billyaepicgamer8642 don't compare Stalin with Liu Bang.

Seems pretty universal but people didn’t understand that. It’s hard for people to keep humble when they succeed. Especially when you’ve come from a disadvantaged background. Not many people in history kept humility all the way to the end.

@@limitstream Didn't say a thing about Liu Bang. Please stop.

YES he is SOOO underrated man I mean this dude is literally the best bro-minister an emperor can ever imagine

And Xiao He died of empress Li or not?

@@alexlo7708 nope

"Success and Fall due to Xiao He, Life and Death from two women"

Kings war

Lesson learnt is: Even though you have great achievement, you have to stay humble and not to openly boast about it.

Today's version of Han Xin would be celebrities including famous CEOs, singers, athletes, or actors. By age 25 they achieve the modern version of a highly successful life.

In the past, people have a short lifespan on average. If one lives to 50, he could be considered old. The environment is completely different. The situation back in the past was so bad if one does not become tough and strive hard to survive, one will perish easily. You don’t need to see that far. Those born in the booming years ;post world war are definitely hardier and mentally stronger than the present generation who live a relatively’ couch potato’ lifestyle.

True, but there is the opposite too. Liu Bang was 48 when he started his rebellion and managed to push on to become Emperor at the age of 54, ruling for seven years after that. This is another way in which Liu Bang and Xiang Yu were quite different. Xiang Yu was a very young man, where as Liu Bang would, on most accounts, be seen as near his death bed throughout the entirety of his career.

@@HighPriestFuneral excellent point about late bloomers. It's never too late to change the world. "Better late than never."

People of old times had more freedom in their teenage years. We in the contemporary times are busy with school and college until early 20s, while people back then had to decide their path of life once they are no longer kids.

@borray s of course it's their nature xang was too short-sighted and egotistical as much as he was ruthless so he can't blame anyone but himself for losing an empire. If the 2 traits were combined as a single person that's a formidable person I'd imagine

It takes a scoundrel to win a battle. Can't have a good hearted man to kill but a scoundrel would do it any day

Welcome to Politics my 12 year old boi.

@@Aciel_Yu cant say the same for our current state of affairs today 😝

Ooo - the plot thickens

If he became emperor, he might be like Aurelian of Rome. Very warlike and heroic but not much of an astute politician

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Thats called NTR in my house but ,eh,good for him good for everybody.

Fact: you watched too much tv drama,the person below you is a porn addict.

@@junichiroyamashitanot really NTR, cause the girl is just a crush, not Han Xin’s lover or anything, and when he becomes a famous general he have no shortage of woman, so I don’t think he care that much.

Yep. I love the series. I wonder what the war would be like if Han Xi had rebel and created his own kingdom. He has the best troops too.

@@condorX2 I really like Han Xin as a general but as a leader? not so much. (He had betrayed Qi kingdom, causing thousands of innocent lives lost, due to that Qi people hated Han Xin, making his ground as a kingdom[Qi was Han Xin's biggest, richest land] kinda risky - in contrast, Liu Bang was LOVED by Qin' people cuz he promised them mercy, he had 'Xiao He' the absolute mad lad too) Also while the war of North were going on, There were a lot of Liu Bangs spies watching Han Xin. for example, when Liu Bang ran away with literally NOTHING, he pretended as a Han' messanger and got through Han Xin's whole security, STEALING his army which is pretty stupid for Han Xin unless among his men were a spy, letting Liu Bang pass through. And, Han Xin's partner in North war, Zhāng ěr, was Liu Bang's bff, who would betray and kill Han Xin if nessasary (I suspect Thats why Liu sent his bff WITH Han Xin to North)

@@ihatenwo another story of Han Xin...Hero's dream. Han Xin was rightful person, he was not cunning. That was why he lost to his own friends.

Fxxk “Kong's War" you made it sounds like King Kong vs Godzilla .. Its called "King's war"

So this 2019 drama is story about Han Xin

wife: what's the chance for him to betray you? Liu Bang: about 50% wife: what's the chance for you to outlive him with your current age? Liu Bang: about 0% wife: now what's the chance for him to betray your son that will replace you? Liu Bang: er................. wife: good night Emperor.

yeah the mongols have always used a tactic which is to surround their enemies but leave them an escape route deliberately so that they would focus on escaping instead of fighting to the end...very smart indeed.

Ma Su tried to do a Han Xin but failed miserably.

​@@Dr_Doe Because in Ma Su, the enemy or Wei Army refused to directly engage with them, but instead wore them down by cutting off water & food supplies. This was the same with the Zhao Kuo in Zhao v. Qin. Han Xin's tactics worked because he knew his opponent was overly confident and impatient, wanting to end it quickly in a full-frontal assault.

IKR. Griffith must have been reading about him along with the Kamasutra.

I'm here from Berserk

@@HK-sw3vi Ahhh.... I envy the me who wrote that comment... Glad to see another Berserk fan!

It's likely that this is the inspiration for Kentaro Miura, consider how popular this story is in East Asia, in my opinion

Eclipse is more like the battle of Teutoburg forest

He partially deserved it. Han Xin is never known for his political acuity. He even begs to be promoted to a feudal lord of Qi during the heat of war. It is so low of that half request half threat, even Li Bang is mad.

@Empty Chaotic impossible to kill a general as Han Xin’s accomplishments without the emperor’s acknowledgment. Liu Bang basically wanted Han Xin dead, but couldn’t exactly order it himself as it would make him look bad to the people (killing someone who hard carried the war, Liu Bang would be nothing otherwise), so whether Emperess Lu knew this or Emperor Liu Bang told her, Empress Lu had Han Xin executed.

Yeah liubang was a real piece of shite

He was betrayed three times, the last one got his life. Well the path of a hero was not flowerish. He was kind, helpful, smart, skillful but often ignored and betrayed. His story in Hero's Dream was cool too, eventhough added with a fiction.

@@stoopidyoutubehandle He deserved it. 1. Without Han Xin the Han state will never won the war and found Han dynasty. 2. From Han Xin prowess he could broke from Liu Bang and eventually defeated all warlord and found his own empire. 3. Han Xin built Liu Bang army from scratch and follow him until his death...

He's definitely not underrated he's one of the most famous general in Chinese history

Not underrated at all, he's considered by perhaps the majority as the greatest general in the history of China.

@@hchicken7188 u could argue his better than both I say his top 3 or 2 alongside Subutai khalid and Caesar

Not in China tho

@@hchicken7188 There is not enough information to make a comparison. a general (if we are talking about war) is measured by personal skill and by the enemies he has fought. according to the standards of legendary generals throughout history, he does not have the necessary qualities to be a legend ... for example Alexander the Great is considered brilliant because he faced a great enemy, a very empire. He is remembered for his brilliant strategy skills, but little for the enemies ... as the enemies were not great fighters for the Hellenic standards. Hannibal fought against Rome, and that is enough. Modern historians take into consideration all peoples and their history ( they don't like to make comparisons, they prefer to say if he's a great general, legendary or bad, etc.), many are considered great generals ...however some are legendary and recognized around the world as legends and not just by their own country (each country believes they have the best general).

I agree Jess,

The guy who buried alive 450.000 of his enemies soldiers (according to Chinese books) ? Yike !

nah, he must die, he became the biggest threat to Liu Bang's power, if not because Xiao He keep showing his obedience and lack of ambition to take up power, he wouldn't live that long as well, this was an extremely typical end result in each riot/revolution throughout Chinese history, whoever come to power through military campaign often executed all those who help him won the crown, look into Tang Dynasty's emperor, or Song Dynasty, Ming Dynasty, even we go back all the way to Spring and Autumn period, the very same thing happen over and over again. Only a very few clever individual enough to redraw safely after the military campaign, because the New Emperor never likes to share his kingdom with anyone!

Betrayals were every where even from his close friends

Keep eating tofu dude.

Great insight thank you

damn, they did u wrong lol. no reason to execute his entire family tbh

I read that surviving Han Xin's descendants changed their clan name to Wei

@@wdynpn That's correct

Or space marines from the 40k verse. It's culturally known wide that the best warriors make the worst politicians.

Wasn't he THE only Marshal?

@Rizal Disraeli Ramos And Let' her clan (Lv = 吕) ruled the Han until her clan got massacred.

What did she expect. He's an emperor. Your logic is typical white knight logic. Lol

@@apollo1055 Well, It's a power vacuum in the Han imperial court. The empress indeed outlived the emperor and temporarily ruled the empire with an iron fist. [She was a power hunger woman but the other action she committed benefits the empire greatly]. Until she sicked and sudden death that her clan lost all the power. [She died too fast so her clan didn't have enough time to strengthen their power]

@@hidefreek6905 Keep in mind a lot of these historical records are usually exaggerated, with most stories fabricated or can't be traced to a reliable source. Lu Zhi's cruelty was known, but was she cruel to that kind of extent ? It's hard to say, eliminating her son's potential rivals to the throne is pretty much standard monarch business. Also, Liu Bang's rags to riches story is the norm rather than the exception in empire building. No one in history had ever became emperor or a ruler by virtue.

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This happened a lot in Chinese history. Emperor was suspicious and did not trust his generals could be always loyal.

@@peiqiliu319 except Han Xin was...mildly loyal to Liu Bang most of the times.

@@peiqiliu319 This happened a lot in Human history, Ceaser of Rome, Surena of parthia who defeated the roman legion at the battle of carhae etc etc

Definitely! But there is going to be quite a few centuries until I get to those characters. However, I am doing a series on Tang dynasty right now and Goguryeo will be featured pretty soon.

I take Cao Cao over him even tho he lost

@@arishemghoul9571 why

@@arishemghoul9571 From a purely military point-of-view, Cao Cao was good at choosing and delegating commanders, incorporating innovative generals and tactics, and - to a somewhat lesser extent - handling logistics and taking risks. Han Xin was good at using terrain, battlefield manouvres, psychology, geopolitics, and his own personal genius. And though he was commander-in-chief for some 5 years only, and fought half the battles of Cao Cao, he remained undefeated, and won decisively every time. That’s why, for me, Han Xin ranks first, with Cao Cao being a close second. Bai Qi and Li Jing both share the same third spot.

What about a Total War saga based on this like Thrones of Brittannia.

@@ReviveHF dude If that happends I might die of happiness lol

Yeah, that's an interesting thought. He is a great general, but we don't really know what civil policies he would adopt as an emperor. He only reigned as the king of Chu for 1 year.

Doubt it, Han xin is genius in warfare strategy, not in political, he lack of political view bring the end of his own life

@@stevej1235 he was surrounded by advisors and talents people. He could rule pretty well. It's pity he was killed by the emperor wife because she fear for his popularity, even after they united all of China.

Han xin was no angel. The fact was liu biang and all the people around him were all machiavellians who were only out for personal gain.

@@chairmanbowl4085 And as the video said he did everything he could to annoy Liu Bang: blackmailing him, didn't show up when summoned... He was used to Liu Bang catering to his whims during the war like making him king of Qi and forgot Liu Bang didn't need a great general anymore

No Kingdom about Ying Zheng (i.e. Ei Sei) who establishes the Qin Dynasty. Liu Bang establishes the Han Dynasty that replaces the Qin.

Fantastic reference. I wonder if that's what Xu Huang was thinking when he set up at the Han River?

@@HighPriestFuneral yes, but he forget that he was facinf Zhao Yun and Huang Zhong, not some idiotic general

He is even stronger than that because instead of taking revenge, he actually rewarded the bully guy. Those who are strong are always kind.

@@highfalutinman Not because he was kind. He said he rewarded him because that experience gave him the determination to succeed.

Some historians say that he was probably the best general in history.

There are also many stories about good beginnings and good endings, such as Emperor Guangwu of the Han Dynasty and his generals, and Emperor Taizong of the Tang Dynasty and his men.

Emperor Guangwu of the Han Dynasty was almost a perfect emperor. Be loyal to love, loyal to the country, and treat subordinates well.

he died too early. YueFei were one of the Best in fighting nomads, but also got killed for being too good and outshining the emperor

The Qin Dynasty and the mid-late Western Han Dynasty generals performed very well against the northern tribes. Qin general Meng Tian was said to have driven the Xiongnu north by several hundred miles. Western Han generals Huo Qubing and Wei Qing destroyed several Xiongnu armies and chased them as far north as Lake Baikal in modern day Russia. The early Western Han Dynasty on the other hand didn't perform well because they were still exhausted from the Qin Dynasty Rebellion & Chu-Han Contention/War of 18 Kingdoms and also lacked sufficient cavalry to engage the Xiongnu on favorable terms. The Kings and Generals channel has a video about the Battle of Mobei that happened during the middle of the Western Han Dynasty: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n7dnnaeoq5i-Yqs.html

As for plans to defeat the Xiongnu - it involved large armies of cavalry and mounted infantry, equipped with lots of crossbows, bows, polearms (eg. halberds, pikes, spears, etc), and light field artillery. The Han Dynasty also sometimes used armored wagons that were linked up to create wagon forts which were used as defensive positions that archers and crossbowmen could fire from. Here are some examples: "At the Battle of Mobei in 119 BC the Han general, Wei Qing, used rings of heavily armed chariots, or wu gang, first to break Xiongnu charges, and then to launch a successful counter-attack. These vehicles protected infantry and crossbowmen from Xiongnu arrows and gave them the security to be able to shoot back accurately. Han cavalry dealt with any Xiongnu who broke through." -Great Walls and Linear Barriers By Peter Spring "One of the best recorded expeditions involved an infantry force consisting of 5,000 veteran soldiers led by an experienced Han general named Li Ling. In 101 BC Li Ling led his regiment north into the Mongolian steppe in an attempt to provoke an engagement with the Xiongnu...they wore jacket like coats of lamellar armour fashioned from rawhide leather and steel platelets and carried bows for trajectory missile fire and crossbows for long range marksmanship. They traveled with a defensive line of reinforced supply wagons carrying a store of half a million steel tipped arrows and crossbow bolts. Li Ling marched his regiment several hundred miles into Xiongnu territory and then waited for the enemy to attack. On the chosen battlefield, the Chinese supply wagons were drawn up into a defensive ring with the soldiers arranged in ranks around this protective position. The front line troops were equipped with long steel pikes to deter oncoming cavalry charges, while the inner ranks were placed in dense order and stood ready to fire bows and crossbows at any approaching target..." -The Roman Empire and the Silk Routes: The Ancient World Economy & the Empires of Parthia, Central Asia & Han China by Raoul McLaughlin

Nope Mengtian from Qin dynasty can push those northern tribes.

Han and Tang dynasty had a lot

Lol my favorite is the part with the stone cart, paper cart ,and the wood cart

Yes. and I love the potrayal of Han Xin there. He was talented in warfare, righteous and kind but well being betrayed by his own "friends". That drama at least gave a warm feeling for the audience as it has happy ending, that the bond of three han heroes were strong till the end, however as for the real one the history said the reversal. Han Xin's life as a hero was not easy and flowerish.

Most C dramas are way too exaggerated for my liking, i want something more historically accurate

True.

his from Chu

More like he had outlived his usefulness.

He was surrounded but he has a lethal weapon. Unsheathe that sword meaning bloodshed, and he does not have a good chance to win. For someone believes a higher purpose, Choosing the humiliation is probably the best diffusion.

he had intelligence but not strength in military which is what biggest rival had but he used people better than others

@@Tony-kj7ui oh he had military thing but just not as great as Han Xin's or Xiang Wu's

This is false. Liu Bang still needed to have almost godly intelligence to become emperor. You pretty much can't find a single founding emperor, Chinese or any other nationality, who doesn't have at least a respectable degree of intelligence.

@borray s That is kind of silly. No one ever in life has ever had a perfect, winning record. Even emperors (or, in Liu Bang's case, would-be emperors) experience setbacks. Take the Roman Empire, for example. Its predecessor, the Republic, was ragdolled a TON by Hannibal and suffered some CRAZY defeats and number of deaths before finally turning it all around and becoming a top world empire. Would you say that it achieved all that primarily because of "divine fate"? That would be ignoring all the crazy logistics, strategy, political organization, etc., that Rome's armies and officials possessed. Ain't nothing divine or lucky about that if your W comes with those credentials. Same thing with Liu Bang -- he is pretty much the individual equivalent of the Roman Empire. He never screwed up so badly that his other strengths didn't allow him to win the day. Remember: he was no Xiang Yu in battle (although he was still an above-average military commander) _because he didn't need to be._ He had strategic thinking, charisma, people management skills that allowed him to get Han Xin to be his anti-Xiang Yu. Again, was Liu Bang perfect and did he never have any weaknesses ever? No. Did his strengths prove sufficient and suitable to winning in the environment that he was in? Completely. No gods needed.

Liubang is one of the greatest emperor in Chinese History, but he is not a strategist.

狡兔死 良狗烹 ; 飞鸟尽 良弓藏 Jiao Tu Si Liang Gou Peng ; Fei Niao Jin Liang Gong Cang After the tricky rabbit is dead, the hound is cooked After the birds are shot, the bow is put away

@@MyWickedSmile thank you very much! really appreciate the written form and explanation.

Wen Yang was not an asshole

Maybe... But unlikely because of the many fundamental reasons why the xiongnu historically kept winning (better horses, nomadic advantage over urban). Be clear that the Han did not get conquered by the xiongnu. It was just too troublesome to keep fighting. Had the Han have a reason to fight the Xiongnu to the end, the economic stronger Han would probably win but at a big cost.

@@jayshen84 The han later did conquer the Xiongnu

@@dabo5078 Not conquer...only defeated. The xiongnu being nomads have no cities or towns to be conquered. The xiongnu were pure nomads meaning they relied on raiding the Han for almost everything not naturally available or abundant. With their inability to raid anymore, the xiongnu started to decline and were eventually chased out by the semi-nomadic groups who rose to power in the xiongnu vacuum. These new groups combined agriculture and their nomadic pastural ways to be more self sufficient and able to sustain through trading instead of raiding the Han.

The two “Han” are written differently and have different meanings. When Chinese names are converted to the alphabet, a lot of similar sounding names are simplified into a common name.

The two Han are different character. One is Han with a heavy tone, another is Han with a neutral tone. Chinese is a tonal language. E.g. The sound Mao, can be interpret as "Cat", "Spear", "Hat", "Flourish", "fur/feather". The Han Dynasty is 汉, while Han Xin's Han is 韩

Oh i see.. thank you :)

What is Han Dynasty??? Where do they come from??? Han Dynasty originated from the Han State during the Warring State period of china. It started when the Zhou Dynasty divide the land which they get from the battle against Shang Dynasty, Zhou Dynasty give his relatives, subordinates a land and from them they started to expand their dynasty. Every Zhou Royals create their own states and that's why during the Warring stares period. There many Chinese states who comes from the Zhou Royals.

I disagreed that Han Xin disobey 刘邦 as they were then both king of 汉 and king of 齐！

@@coconuttcp2574 Han Xin was an appointed king, and at first, requested to be appointed as "temporary king(假王)," at which Liu Bang suppressed his anger, and took in his good graces to make him an official king. At that point Han Xin's position is not the same as Liu Bang -- but rather, that of a 'vassal king(諸侯王). ... not to mention he made countless mistakes that's not mentioned in the video, for example the conquest of Qi.

I understand your argument, but at that era, people and rulers were trying to get back to the 春秋战国 like what 项羽 had done. Each king control their own land and army. Emperor’s state was still in its infancy and was not truly established yet at that time.

@@coconuttcp2574 That 'dream' was clearly ended by the time of the Guangwu(廣武) standoff in 203 BCE. With the death of the Yi Emperor(義皇帝), everyone already knew it was a fight between Liu and Xiang, and the winner takes the empire.

It is 刘邦 who is the one who betrayed all his allies after declaring himself as the emperor!