Copper Wire Recycling
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Жыл бұрынRunning a sample of copper wire chop waste through our hammer mill and shaker table to see if we can recover any more valuable copper. These samples came from the waste stream of a high production copper wire chopping plant in Europe and this customer wants to determine how much copper they are loosing in their waste streams. I was very surprised how much additional copper the shaker table was able to recover! They are throwing away a lot of money that an MBMM hammer mill and shaker table can recover and make them more money.
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@trevorwhat Жыл бұрын
“improvement in real time.” That’s why these videos are so darned helpful.
@WVALLMOSTHEAVEN Жыл бұрын
The reason you are retrieving more that target is because you are weighing it wet. I believe if you would dry the samples it would be more accurate.
@FilipAus Жыл бұрын
Came here for this exact statement.
@tonysolar284 Жыл бұрын
18:31 I think he already addressed that issue by pointing it out.
@jamess9946 Жыл бұрын
I suspect there is a LOT more water weight than he thinks.
@yodarded8712 Жыл бұрын
Copper is nine times denser than water. If the bucket was half water by volume it would be a 10% error. I'd estimate his error at under 3%.
@GLUFSAREN Жыл бұрын
This comment here is why you watch the video in it's entirety before commenting
@whosaidthat5236 Жыл бұрын
Great way to start my Saturday, coffee,cigar, and a MBMM video
@HanstheTraffer Жыл бұрын
Wow, Jason, you are definitely on to something there with the plastic on top of the shaker. It's like putting a static layer of fluid on the top of a tilted volume. That will be something that can be developed in several ways. GREAT WORK!
@TheRolemodel1337 Жыл бұрын
14:22 you could drain the #3 and #4 port into big bags inside your resservoir to keep the water cleaner and have less maintenance on cleaning the reservoir out
@eby6114 Жыл бұрын
If you watch some other videos he has a screw setup that collects debris, but that's usually stone. For this instance he'll probably filter everything in one go at the end. There's not enough to warrant using the screw. Usually he's running tons of material as well.
@bustinbass78 Жыл бұрын
I'm just a dreamer. I love the mechanics of you tables and the science of separation process.
@psychodermix Жыл бұрын
I find your videos so interesting. Keep up the great work!
@cheesynuts4291 Жыл бұрын
Great video Jason. Your systems work great. Thanks for sharing all your experiences with us.
@sanyirodriguez3642 11 ай бұрын
There's nobody in KZfaq like you one of a kind.. God bless you always..how to take your time to educate..you Just made me a happy person 😮😮❤❤ thank you
@brucevanderzanden9638 Жыл бұрын
I never really understood how a shaker table works. Learned a lot from the video Jason! Thank you!
@mobiousenigma Жыл бұрын
its specific gravity and density. if everything on the table is the same size and you vibrate it the heavier pieces fall faster the table is tilted so the heaviest things are at the steepest tilt the lightest on the most shallow tilt #1 con is the outlet under the steepest tilt #4 the shallowest , the grooves in the table stall the material movement forward which causes heavier to slide sideways down the tilt,,,, all the pieces need to be the same size for things to sort by density,,, there will be an art to this the science part is easy though
@Vrobrolf Жыл бұрын
Hey Jason, I really appreciate seeing you use appropriate protective gear in all of your videos. I'm always worried for people who handle this stuff (for example, your recent video in Sudan with the mercury) without protection as a lot of materials will absolutely impact your health at some point in your life. Keep up the good work and the very interesting videos!
@rastaralph7154 Жыл бұрын
That's a really effective and efficient set up you have there. Great video cheers ❤️💛💚👍
@mrgreenswelding2853 Жыл бұрын
Such a simple fix to a major problem . I love it?
@SkullerMetals Жыл бұрын
I really love the stuff you do. A great variety of topics, all real interesting. With all my melting and scrapping, it's fun to watch.
@joshuajackson6442 Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this adventure, thank you so much! You ROCK!!!
@christopherleblanc9599 Жыл бұрын
love the method to the madness , saving the plant one test at a time , one lesson at a time
@tonypinzarrone7993 Жыл бұрын
When I worked in the sawmill they had shaker screens for sorting chips. Or as Dan Hurd calls it. Classifying through metal seives. The only difference was that it was the size of a small cottage. I used to love going in there when it was on. It was like a bouncy castle for adults. And you got paid union wages to do it. :) The big difference being. Instead of bouncy on an air cushion that converted the kinetic energy you put in to move. It was powered by a 20 horse motor that shook the whole place violently and endlessly. The other difference was instead of taking your shoes off. You put your boots on, Gloves on, And at least glasses but goggles were handy. Oh yeah and instead of it being soft and clothlike. It was Hard and made of mild grade steel. :) good times were had by all.
@Chemist1076 Жыл бұрын
Nice lab setup
@rom65536 Жыл бұрын
If you don't mind losing the aluminum all-together, put your product in a bucket of water and add some sodium hydroxide. The aluminum will react and should leave the copper.
@chicagovasko Жыл бұрын
Boom slam dunk. 👍
@SeaforgedArtifacts Жыл бұрын
And make a lot of hydrogen gas and heat so be careful 🙏
@MerchantMarineGuy Жыл бұрын
You can recover the aluminum oxide by treated the filtered (to remove the copper) solution with methanol or formaldehyde to precipitate the Al2O3, then calcinate the washed and dried precipitate to recover pure liquid aluminum
@erich9244 Жыл бұрын
Very cool Jason thanks for sharing that with us!
@BillMulholland1 Жыл бұрын
Great video Jason. Thank you. 🍻👍
@SabreCycles Жыл бұрын
Excellent test! I learned a lot of watching your expertise! Go Jason! 😊
@jayarnett4157 Жыл бұрын
I did enjoy this video. Nice results. The customer should be very happy. That 47% is some kind of customers error. TYVM
@0chuklz0 Жыл бұрын
That is amazing. You do make it look so easy. Very tempting to take this approach and check out the old abandoned gold mines in my hometown.
@curbstomp3126 Жыл бұрын
This is important work. We need to recover as close to 100% as possible. Waste nothing.
@thomasrbishop8736 Жыл бұрын
Excellent recovery of those valuable minerals.
@daz41262010 Жыл бұрын
super video Jason :) I just find these videos so calming to watch :)
@kccorliss3922 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for recycling! 👍👍👍
@DerekKerton Жыл бұрын
Hard to believe how interesting I found this. I ended up watching four of your videos in a row - and I'm not in the mining industry at all. Cool stuff, or hot in the case of the smelting videos.
@Jammer.1 Жыл бұрын
Jason i would of liked see these samples smelted that way the rest the junks burned out & even though not a lot it does make a difference on a large scale basis ! I don't coment on a lot videos but i watch & give thumbs up on most every video i watch !
@bobcansee Жыл бұрын
That was really interesting Thanks Jason!
@Pa.PatriotProspecting Жыл бұрын
Very cool Jason!
@sharkscrapper Жыл бұрын
Very interesting Jason, thank you. I'm learning a ton, or is that tonne, from you as I continue to grow my recycling biz.
@CuriousEarthMan 3 ай бұрын
Another great one, Jason, thanks! I hope you can get your products out there even MORE. I just watched a 'dirty gold' doc on KZfaq about Peru. Lots of mercury still being used around the world.
@marcoallin Жыл бұрын
i just love this unit
@heathstott Жыл бұрын
I been waiting for this video all week😂😂
@jazzridez Жыл бұрын
All I can say is WOW.
@timdavis8486 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic Video!!!
@steveanderson5888 Жыл бұрын
That was very interesting on what they thought they was and what you found for weight keep up the great videos brother we're all brothers from another mother
@jamesschnurbusch711 Жыл бұрын
I think it's super cool you're in my state doing all these fun things. Living in Olympia lol, I miss getting out in the outdoors lol.
@Mr007troy Жыл бұрын
Something that I wondered about: Did you see all the devastation from the Hurricane Ian down in Florida? Would it be possible to build something on a bigger scale to shred/hammer all those materials and recycle everything? And I am talking about EVERYTHING, cars, houses, downed power lines? To be able to separate organic and metals to clean everything up? Also could use that same system to clean up ALL the landfills? I was thinking about building it on Semi truck trailers to be easily transported to where it could be used. Just feed it all with front end loaders in the front and out the back comes everything nice and clean.
@akakscase Жыл бұрын
You should totally melt the results down and make an ingot then hit it with the XRF to see your actual percentage of copper recovered. Also, if there is enough aluminum and tin you’ll end up with a VERY gold colored alloy commonly called Nordic Gold with is actually a marine grade bronze. Nordic Gold is 89% copper, 10% aluminum and 1% tin by weight.
@peterwysoczanski9391 Жыл бұрын
love outside the box thinkin - great work; the plastic makes sense removes the air and forces the particulates to sink
@manwithanamethystheart Жыл бұрын
You must be just north of me somewhere. I'm 503 and you're 360.. I really enjoy watching the videos. Keep em comin
@gothicangel6313 Жыл бұрын
So, I've noticed you've been having problems w/ sample one and sample two for collecting. Instead of buckets, have you tried using cheese cloth w/ possibly a sifter basket under it? That way you can collect the metal, keep the water flowing, and you don't have to worry about nothing floating off from the water. Or put cheese cloth in a sifter basket and hang it under the 1 and 2 holes. And of course, the bigger the load the bigger sifter basket you're gonna need w/ more cheese cloth. Although now that I'm thinking about it, you could also use a pot noodle strainer w/ a handle on it and put cheese cloth in that and hang it under 1 and 2. One for each. You could also use metal buckets w/ a handle, put a lot of holes in it using a drill and drill bit, and put cheese cloth in that too. And just hang them from 1 and 2. You could also try that method w/ thee other sample areas too. And w/ cheese cloth you can add more layers if you want to said buckets. That way you can collect metal and keep the water flowing w/out losing anything in the water or because of the water. Keep up w/ the videos! I love them! If ya guys could make LONGER videos, that'd be great. Like 3 hours of mining or 3-5 hours of just doing work, running around, running stuff through your machines, etc. Love watching y'all work! Fascinating work! 💙💙💙🤙🤙🤙👊👊👊😁😁😁
@ProspectorTripp Жыл бұрын
Nice information and interesting idea! Your system is working nicely.. good job Jason ✌️PT
@JimFinlayson Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@jimmierturner3597 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@mikeconnery4652 Жыл бұрын
Nice job great video
@charliemyres5450 Жыл бұрын
Very impressive recovery - well done Jason! In the early days of gold mining in Australia the diggings were sifted dry on a gravity-table (shaker table). The heavy metal gravitates to the down hill side; lighter rubbish a bit higher up and dust was blown away by the wind. Have you thought about a low-suction draught to suck away the very light rubbish first and then submit the material to the wet shaker-table? I think it might be a quicker way to to separate.
@d.t.4523 Жыл бұрын
Good luck. 👍
@kwinterburn Жыл бұрын
fantastic piece of science on this video, just been looking at some of your other videos, excellent work if it was me in your place I would look at the output of the jaw crusher as some of it is already dust and could go straight to the table, the other thing would be on some applications use the middling fraction water flow as part of the hammer mill water feed, use a Venturi to pull the fraction without running through the pump, then you are removing junk as opposed to extracting value and you can set the cut to remove more junk as the value will be caught on the next pass through the table,
@debztully1339 Жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@josephcormier5974 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video great content five stars
@shaunandsqueak Жыл бұрын
awesome content there Jason! good ta see someone keeping the ideas flowing hahahaha Plastic sheet bloody brilliant! Turn up the water flow or maybe a hose when ya first start up might help the bubbles....You could always pump the product thru like a first wash then a refine afterwards may help too? Love the shaker table it just makes sense :) Keep it up!
@ivartillotson835 Жыл бұрын
Did the analysis for Sample #4 list just elemental copper, or copper-bearing compounds as well? That could account for the low yield of free copper particles.
@pjmiller9870 Жыл бұрын
Hi Jason, have you thought about just running water on the table first to purge all the bubbles from the table before adding sample? An accessory to the table could involve the production of the 0.5 mil sheet made to fit the upper contour of the table above the table top to eliminate any void spaces. This would allow the sheet to sit down on the table better. Just an idea. Love your videos.
@auxz2jz158 Жыл бұрын
Have you ever thought of replacing a mechanical shaker to pneumatic shaker you'll be able to adjust the the airspeed and create a higher harmonic or lower. And try adding something to the water to change the density alcohol vinegar ammonia anything to change the density of the water along with the surfactant.
@chicagovasko Жыл бұрын
Hi grade knowledge. Thank you.
@timerickson7056 Жыл бұрын
Number 5 sample looked like wrecking yard gravel
@letsgobrandon3292 Жыл бұрын
Dry before, wet after has math way off. Love the videos but should have dried before 2nd scale. Badass machines Jason.
@timerickson7056 Жыл бұрын
Holy shit batman that's the first corded power tool I've seen on KZfaq
@giantgizan Жыл бұрын
There's so much water in those cups when measuring them during each section, So the weights were even more off.
@hawnsl100 Жыл бұрын
I remember Dan Hurd adding soap to deal with hydrophobic material.
@silverking4281 Жыл бұрын
Just bought my stokkermill granulator 34000 and my pre shredder coming next with conveyer belt got a contract to process 100k of wire a month
@timvivoda5208 Жыл бұрын
That is very interesting
@kccorliss3922 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes labs only test a very small sample which might not be perfectly representative. Perhaps that is why sample 4 was believed to be 47 percent Cu.
@eby6114 Жыл бұрын
Set up to fail if sticking to the "analysis". I use laundry detergent when I'm looking to keep suds down. Pretty cheap too compared to dish soap.
@harvey6932 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see you do a video with sreetips on you tube you always ask great questions I think we all could learn abit
@WaffleStaffel Жыл бұрын
Wow, nice recovery. Maybe a lightweight trashcan liner cut open around the edges? Would be lighter than that plastic, if that's what you're aiming for.
@oldmanuserphan Жыл бұрын
Please cut a circular hole on the side of the hammer mill, bolt on a good quality piece of plexiglass type material, and mount a camera (slow mo maybe?) and a focussed light looking thru that hole. I'd love to see exactly what's going on in there.
@brentk8617 Жыл бұрын
Awesome idea with the plastic sheeting! Have you tried some perforated plastic yet to try and keep the air out? If not I would recommend talking with the guys at Fiberglass Supply down in Burlington about it. They might have some inexpensive products that might improve your process. I’ll be eager to see the outcome if you try!
@mountainmanmedium1660 Жыл бұрын
You should add Jason with your logo so when we see the KZfaq we know it's you. just a thought. love your channel!
@kwinterburn Жыл бұрын
it's a lot to expect a standard shaker table to extract everything when it would really need to be slightly tweaked to get everything, overloading was also an issue if it was more evenly fed it wouldn't wash over as much
@busbey61 Жыл бұрын
You should invite Sreetips on and have him do a recovery from your settling pond with you, that would be awesome! He does a recovery every so often from his stock pots. I like collabs!
@busbey61 Жыл бұрын
Assuming you dont do a gold recovery from your settling pond....
@marcoallin Жыл бұрын
that was one of my suggestion the surfactant, your obv more clever than me.... :)
@bobjones8372 Жыл бұрын
What a gorgeous firework fountain those metal powders would make, a little KNO3, sulphur, charcoal or powdered sugar and you're in a new business, thrill the family anyway.
@carroll-w7wxv Жыл бұрын
Jason, I noticed that the water inlet for the hammer mill did not have a sprayer to spray down the material chute. Would a sprayer nozzle help with cleaning the material chute and help with cleaning the hammer mill in general?
@henrymuzgay1023 Жыл бұрын
Jason I like how you got that all set up If i ever get to that point i need one to recover gold ore i will reach out to you I like the parodic and how it works would you smelt the copper down and make ingest out of it or bars to sell to scrap recycling places ???? thank you
@urbanprospector3007 Жыл бұрын
I believe this is the 1st time you've had a mix of aluminum and copper. My guess is this is a mix of phone wire and power supply wires. The way these 2 split just answered my main concern with the table on how it would work with this mix of wire. Very nice to see.
@staples4335 Жыл бұрын
No. He has done a few vids now with copper / aluminium mixes on his shaker table.
@aredditor4272 Жыл бұрын
Cheap extensions cords(rare) may have aluminum wire. Cheap electronics related products can have aluminum wire. I've seen HDMI cables with aluminum wire. Of course large gauge aluminum wire is common. I've seen large scale solar installers use aluminum wherever they can, especially when copper prices are very high. It's not fun to pull through conduits, so extra effort is made to limit bends when the wire is aluminum.
@staples4335 Жыл бұрын
@@aredditor4272 Here in Australia we use 240mm2 Aluminium cabling for underground power distribution on the Electricity suppliers side as its less likely to get stolen. Nothing wrong with it. But like you said just needs to be thicker guage.
@aredditor4272 Жыл бұрын
@@staples4335 high voltage distribution and transmission is almost always aluminum. Above and below ground. Don't know how that's processed when it has a steel cable in the middle, which is a thing. ACSR - aluminum cable steel reinforced.
@staples4335 Жыл бұрын
@@aredditor4272 No. I'm talking low voltage. 415/240v distribution.
@kikiboo5444 Жыл бұрын
Hey just a suggestion, you do what you want, but maybe try dishwasher detergent, it produces a lot less suds.
@87elky383able Жыл бұрын
Sweet rig…. Were the recover weights when dry? Id think even the smallest piece of insulation in 1 or 2 would hold/add a lot of water weight
@mayhemarmwrestling Жыл бұрын
Im interested in this setup for sand and micro gold. Would be keen to see this in action on how much you can do over a day.
@ZZTalkZZ Жыл бұрын
I’m a window cleaner and a squeegee (36’ long if needed) may help the plastic used to have less bubbles.
@chicagovasko Жыл бұрын
I'm glued man I wish I could afford a machine I'd work that sucker 24,7.
@flintknappertroy Жыл бұрын
On a video I'm watching you are recovering copper with insulation on it and you went to hardware store, Try a car paint supply house they have a role of very thin plastic you unfold very lite seems to me it should work. Troy
@otherbubba2813 Жыл бұрын
You may look into getting a moisture analyzer, if you don’t already have one. They are a quick way to get wt% moisture/volatiles in solids. You can get dry wt coming in and for isolated products coming out… apples to apples you know. Moisture is an impurity that easily overlooked, because it is so ubiquitous. They aren’t cheap, $500 to $3k depending on brand and new/used, but will save you time oven drying samples. Just tare the pan add sample and it prints the results. Easy Peezy… For ref the one I use in my lab is a Mettler Toledo HE53 Moisture Analyzer, on the expensive end but really nice…
@backhoefred Жыл бұрын
At Snitzer Steel they separate cars ground up quite a process to see. Going into the plant a whole vehicle, coming out conveyors with separate products on each. We deliver to there plant in Oakland California. My question is why copper a low value commodity? I love watching your smelting insights for precious metals. Fred
@BigMick0331 Жыл бұрын
Jason, you should look into thermo-roto-screeners for PCB's, man.
@EddieSchirmer Жыл бұрын
it would be great if one could run mixed sized materials and have the minerals and or gems of a higher density be processed into higher concentrations. like, if the shaker table could classify material as well as separate them by density, That would be amazing. for instance, you could run material through that could contain things like Garnets, Diamonds, and or Sapphires. it would be great to have a all in one machine that could classify and concentrate gem ore with ease, so all you are left with to really look through it a bare fraction of the bulk of material...
@Brian00071 Жыл бұрын
Would putting a very small DC electric current through the shaker table help? Or run it with rubbing alcohol?
@gradertfamilymakes Жыл бұрын
Using a base to soponify the oil would be awesome. Too bad the copper wouldn't like that. It is likely that a commercial car wash detergent would be efficient to use with cost being considered. Large volumes would be pretty inexpensive. And it can be dosed in using a peristaltic pump.
@moritzvogel3417 Жыл бұрын
is the processed material dried before its being weighed ?
@carebear2272 Жыл бұрын
Oh I want to go look for gold, I’m from the Snoqualmie area, and pan for gold, only find a few small colors but I would like to find one big chunk one day, I use to go to all the old gold mines in the area
@Johnrich395 Жыл бұрын
Question: what would the costs be to cast mixed metals into a sheet and electro-refine the metals? It SEEMS to be less wasteful, but I don’t actually know.
@kwinterburn Жыл бұрын
the soap issue can be easily solved by using a bath soap bar as that will kill the foam from the washing up liquid ( dish soap ) wouldn't need much to deal with the foam,
@hansmaier608 Жыл бұрын
Did you dry it properly before putting it on the scale. Could be a reason for the deviation
@deweydoesdaily742 Жыл бұрын
Would there ever be a reason to filter water and or drain and clean out the settling pond?
@danielcarter7657 7 ай бұрын
Did you dry the finished sample before weighing it?
@traviswoodyard7448 Жыл бұрын
Does water weight have any affect in yield after separation
@stephenjeacocke1530 Жыл бұрын
How much static electricity do you get built up in hammer mill while doing grains for animals mine would jump a 50 mm gap to your finger. While it was running had to earth it out to stop bloody hurts when it hits you
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