Copper Chops and PC Board Trim/edges metal recovery on MBMM shaker table

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This was a fun video to make! I have never seen so much metal on one of our shaker tables. This customer brought up some copper wire in various stages through his copper chopping line and wanted to see if we could recover the copper better than his air table. We found that we could recover very clean copper (as long as it was liberated from the insulation) at every stage of his copper chopping line. The best part was watching the copper we could recover on our wet table that was missed by his air tables. We estimated that we recovered somewhere around 5-10% more copper from his waste!
He also brought a sample of trimmed PC boards and edges from the manufacturing process. These board pieces don't contain any components so they could be crushed and the metal liberated very easily in our PCB grinding line. The boards had plenty of copper that was recovered, but also lots of gold was contained on the boards and edges. The customer was very happy with the results of both of these tests. Please let us know your thoughts on our videos, thanks for watching
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@teunlll 5 жыл бұрын

I think nothing is more satisfying than seeing a shaker table at its fullest potential.

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment and for watching our videos!

@sylentxtinction2097 3 жыл бұрын

Nothin' like watchin' a well tuned shaker table do it's job. Great video!

@moosescrapper5928 5 жыл бұрын

That system is phenomenal!

@mbmmllc 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Moose! Glad to hear you are still around!! Hope all is well in the other corner of the country

@moosescrapper5928 5 жыл бұрын

@@mbmmllc Yup, still alive and kicking. Finally getting things in order after the divorce, move, child issues, etc. Its all good now!! Just out of curiosity with this video, was there much of a gold line from the boards you ran?

@theway674 2 жыл бұрын

That shaker table is freaking awesome

@phreezethaking9782 2 жыл бұрын

I love your videos man, very informative.

@Statikhed 3 жыл бұрын

Pretty cool -Awesome process!

@bullitt7544 5 жыл бұрын

Once you talked about the plastic sheet I realized how the copper was being pulled under if it was ultra light weight. I see in the comments some mention of using soap, however I can only see increase in cost and time, not sure? I will say once you laid the plastic sheet on you were cooking with gasoline. INCREDIBLE. I have been recovering CPU Gold for years, haven't done anything with the majority of it, yet. I did send in to an internet scam company that claims online how much they will pay you for the material, but were disturbingly a rip off outfit. I will have to subscribe and watch as you do things. The video was excellent in many aspects. I knew some guys that did this with drywall, producing the granulated lime, then reselling it to farmers for fertilizers on potato fields. They got paid when someone dumped it, and when they sold it, the cost of processing and the bigger companies have since taken over, I guess. Seeing your setup was a real treat. Thanks

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your comment and for subscribing! I'm glad you enjoy our videos!

@JohnnySwedishScrapper 2 жыл бұрын

wooow awsome to see, great idea about that plastic cover ;) great video

@mountainviews5025 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome thumbs up my friends

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Great! Thanks!

@jusrobington 5 жыл бұрын

That's amazing.

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment and for watching our videos!

@LubomirL 5 жыл бұрын

Hi Jason, thanks for another great video. It was just little bit disappointing that we haven't seen any results from all 4 buckets you shown. I hope another video can cover it ;)

@mbmmllc 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment. When the customer arrived they wanted to run all the material before their granulator at once and then everything after their granulator together as well. We did three different runs: 1st material was the board trim, 2nd was material through their single shaft shredder (longer wires, some unliberated) this was section 7:13 - 8:07 Did really well if it was all liberated (com wire wasn't liberated for example and brought some plastic into the #1 and #2). The last section of the video was the material through their granulator. That did the best over all. So the two buckets at the end with the copper wire were an example of all the granulator samples run together in the smaller bucket, and the larger bucket was all the single shaft shredder material run together. These were just part of the copper recovered as the customer took a large amount with them for sampling. I hope that all makes sense, its kinda long winded and complicated. Let me know if you have any other questions. Thanks again

@minhtong5906 2 жыл бұрын

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@ManMountainMetals 5 жыл бұрын

this is pretty awesome.

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment and for watching our videos!

@nigeljohnson8995 5 жыл бұрын

Why are your tables so quiet and smooth? Its what is needed when working with a machine all day. Really learnt a lot from your excellent videos, keep them coming.

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment and for watching our videos!

@Treebronx Жыл бұрын

Cool always wondered wonder what happened to the fine wire

@karlpeterson1990 4 жыл бұрын

Recycling Rocks !!

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah!

@chrischris420 5 жыл бұрын

Amazing

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment and for watching our videos!

@DannyBokma 3 жыл бұрын

To cool, I was curious, did you ever considered eddy current magnets ( rotating magnets ) to attract copper to separate it? Was just wondering, this might be another trick to try for separation.

@tomkeehn 4 жыл бұрын

How does your shaker table separate the gold from the copper? Do they both come out #1? Awesome stuff regardless! :)

@donaldholcombe6752 Жыл бұрын

Use a "Spreader Sticker " product on your Table to Eliminate Foaming. It breaks the Surface Tension of the Water.

@Foxtrap731 Жыл бұрын

I’ve seen people use Jet Dri to eliminate surface tension. Works well for fine gold when panning. Might work on your table without plastic sheeting.

@sergiowoloj1800 Жыл бұрын

did you has a video of the granulator that you speak of in the video?

@tadvanallen 5 жыл бұрын

Another cool video, your machines are amazing! and that shaker table is friken awesomely beautiful to watch.. also do you sell those baseball caps :) also cool!

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment and for watching our videos!

@petten33 4 жыл бұрын

This new kid is a thinker.😊🇨🇦😎

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment and for watching our videos!

@baratpanahe1354 3 жыл бұрын

Very good tank you

@yashvardhanagarwal2740 3 жыл бұрын

Hey this is really awesome, i want to setup a copper recycling plant on a small scale and plan to buy scrap copper wire as raw material and not the already ground wire, could help me with such a machine or process

@Tulwean 4 жыл бұрын

I didnt realize you guys are located about 30 minutes from me!

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Nice!

@gregsedlock4754 2 жыл бұрын

How much did this cost to build I would really like to know I'm highly interested and having something built like this for me

@claytonmccormick622 3 жыл бұрын

You know stuff that could be trailer ed behind a four wheeler for prospecting would be really nice for the small guy :-)

@freekingawwsome 3 жыл бұрын

It would be nice too know what you started with as to the finish

@hughvanpelt9082 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Jason, I wonder would happen if instead of using the plastic sheeting to brake the water surface tension what about dish soap? This would also help to lubricate the particles as they go over the ribs on the table. I was also wondering of the shaking of the particles charges them and re attracts them to the other particles . I once built a machine that separates plastic (3 ata time) but it was a dry system. We used static and electromagnetic

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Good idea, thanks for the tip

@willpayne9663 5 жыл бұрын

What are the particle sizes you have when you put the crushed boards on the shaker table? Love the work you're doing!

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Max particle size for our shaker tables is 2 mm.

@viclorenz2522 2 жыл бұрын

Use dishwasher spot remover in your water instead of plastic sheet to break surface tension.

@TaintedMojo 4 жыл бұрын

Would adding a little soap also work to break the surface tension and make the copper sink?

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, probably. This stuff was really oily though

@rodneydaugherty6186 4 жыл бұрын

Hello guy , I know most of your videos by heart. But just noticed something. No soap ? I seen people add dishwasher soap ( no suds) to the water and it really helps separate copper and plastics and stop fine wire from Floating .

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Great, thanks for the tip!

@rodneydaugherty6186 4 жыл бұрын

David yes jet dry works on some things . All copper wire is coated with a thin coat of oil when plastic is put on the soap helps it come about . Yes jet dry could work , I've just never tried it.

@douglaswatters7303 3 жыл бұрын

I like to see some air conditioning compressors run through the hammer mill. If too big then refrigerator compressors. It takes me half a hour to break down one ac compressor and it's a pain in the ass to say the least with a angle grinder and hand tools.

@rexhavoc2982 5 жыл бұрын

Try adding dish washing ,FINISH to cut surface tension, JET DRY also works well. The next machine is a waste oil fired smelter and a set of molds. What happened to the PC board GOLD ?

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment and for watching our videos! Gold will go with the copper, can re-run the #1 for better recovery of PM's

@urbanprospector3007 4 жыл бұрын

Jason, all of these samples have been thru first grind. Question is, can your system do that same grind and remove that first step?

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Needs to be granulated first. The hammer mill doesn't chop the wire

@mikeknutson415 5 жыл бұрын

Wow Jason that stuff turned out really really clean... also I have a request for you I cut open large Freon compressors out of commercial air condition units very labor-intensive and a lot of work to extract the huge copper coils.... I don't ever remember seeing you trying to grind up these big Freon compressors but I'm interested to see if you're bigger unit will pulverize those ...let me know thanks

@nathandean1687 5 жыл бұрын

if thier like pool motors just cut the copper across the edge of one side of the coil them remove it from the other side.

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Great, thanks for the tip!

@blainevans4782 4 жыл бұрын

you can add surfactant to stop the surface tension

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Great, thanks for the tip!

@EvolvedApe 5 жыл бұрын

I'm out on Guam (a US territory). I run operations for a tech company and accumulate about two, 40ft containers a year of e-waste. Guam does not have a recycling program. I'd love to pick your brain to try to get something set up here. Either that, or figure out a recycling channel off the island to move all this.

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

For pricing, please send us an email at Info@mbmmllc.com or call 360-595-4445 You can also visit our website here: mbmmllc.com/

@dr.honeypot6268 5 жыл бұрын

to break surface tension use soap. jetdry is what most people like to use but im sure any soap will do fine.

@kenpeters8257 5 жыл бұрын

I think that they recirculate the rinse water, so soap would suds up, Vinegar might help that , but since there isn't actually that much water being used Jet dry would probably be best.

@urbanprospector3007 4 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't surf board wax applied prior to use do the same thing..

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment and for watching our videos!

@ROKITDOOD 2 жыл бұрын

Any AU recovered?

@coryknight7669 3 жыл бұрын

also if you run a higher water yield you should be able to create enough agitation to keep the copper from floating on surface

@eby6114 2 жыл бұрын

Plastic sheet keeps it down

@younganonymouscanada 5 жыл бұрын

you talk about granulator... you have a video to show this machine? Thank u

@mbmmllc 5 жыл бұрын

We don't make granulators but a search on your favorite search engine should pull up lots of results

@atmm89 Жыл бұрын

Hi Jason, I am in Australia and wondering at the cost for this complete system (240v) that you have in this video. thank you for your time to respond to me, Allan

@mbmmllc Жыл бұрын

Hi, send us an email at info@MBMMLLC.com for more info, thanks

@atmm89 Жыл бұрын

@@mbmmllc hi interested in the cost of your setup to separate copper from plastic thank you Allan

@rickmessina5396 4 жыл бұрын

Never knew how you could get fine copper from a mix.. neat deal......

@bellybutthole 4 жыл бұрын

I don't remember the brand name for it in America, but I've seen the gold panners use dishwasher drying agent to break the surface tension without too much foaming. Maybe a solution for floating copper? (aka surfactant i believe)

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, good idea. It is called Jet Dry is the common one. This copper was coated in a thin film of oil so the plastic sheet seemed to work the best. Thanks for the suggestion!

@bellybutthole 4 жыл бұрын

@@mbmmllc Thanks, that was the name. Yeah I see the problem, the fat restoring tension. That plastic sheet was pretty samart though, no chemicals too!

@snipersquad100 4 жыл бұрын

Nice system. For the awkward stuff why don't you dissolve the copper in hydrochloric acid to put the copper into a liquid solution then filter out the crap and then use iron to bring the copper solution back to a solid?

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Great, thanks for the tip!

@ataali4279 3 жыл бұрын

how much price the machine ?

@varecycler9947 5 жыл бұрын

Jason as always super impressive...........now have to ask myself what is the start up cost

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

For pricing, please send us an email at Info@mbmmllc.com or call 360-595-4445 You can also visit our website here: mbmmllc.com/

@sialkotimalikpigeon4422 4 жыл бұрын

Rich Holloway how are you sir

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@1000gecko 3 жыл бұрын

what happens to the water? do you recycle it?

@jwalkeeer1990 2 жыл бұрын

Probably does what water does.

@KD0CAC 5 жыл бұрын

I would like to 2nd the question on the boards ?

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Great! Thanks!

@coryknight7669 3 жыл бұрын

the guy who ground that copper needs to set a closer gap a 0.007 on his granulators with quarter inch greats to avoid the insulator sleeve still remaining on the copper.

@nlo114 3 жыл бұрын

I bet those PCB scraps make a mess of the hammer-blades! The drills used in PBC manufacture don't last hardly any time at all, worn down by glass-abrasion.

@SillyPutty3700 4 жыл бұрын

Does the system reuse the water?

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, All the water is recycled over and over again

@sivasankarjinkapavani5472 Жыл бұрын

How much of the machine

@cimonkien9833 3 жыл бұрын

wow thumb up

@BillMulholland1 2 жыл бұрын

👍

@er.7755 4 жыл бұрын

A little dawn liquid soap will break the surface tension and let the copper sink.

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip

@maxblay5308 3 жыл бұрын

What if you could get gold like that the way you're getting all that copper that'd be nice

@garymiller6269 5 жыл бұрын

HOW MUCH DID YOU GET OUT OF IT.

@mbmmllc 5 жыл бұрын

We didn't weight the material before and after, but the wire was a combination of 50% recovery, 70% recovery, and 80% recovery (ie percent copper by weight).

@jeffarto8340 3 жыл бұрын

You are splashing pay on the ground at ports one and two. There is no splash wall and the catch basin too far away and it splashed every time it dropped pay. You need to add a down spout at the ports to catch it all and stop splashing.

@blackopsrocks 4 жыл бұрын

Use jet dri, quite alot of it, and recirculate.

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

Great, thanks for the tip!

@DAVIDBUCKLE-TASMANIA 4 жыл бұрын

YeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaa

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

hot damn!

@Twerk748 2 жыл бұрын

Hey I wish we can do business together , I wish you get me the machine here..

@douglaswatters7303 3 жыл бұрын

Is it true you can shred a 250 pound person like that guy was doing at the end of the movie Fargo?

@cditzler6313 4 жыл бұрын

longer videos like 8 hrs long haha

@mbmmllc 4 жыл бұрын

haha

@claytonmccormick622 3 жыл бұрын

My comment remains that while your equipment make great sense for medium to large operations that the is a huge small market for those that want to test a recycling idea or simple are not big enough to be putting tens of tons of material through each day. 1 ton of material in 4 to 8 HR. May be plenty to turn a nice profit and while I realize that small is a lot more work for a smaller profit there is no one there for the little guy I mean you are it and still way to large for some things.

@damianstasek8946 2 жыл бұрын

I wish they would make a small system for a at home refiner. They would sell a bunch!!