right? seems things are only realistic if they work against the player lol

Zombies rely more on sound than sight though

@@tady_toes Tell that to the zombie who saw me reading a book through my window from the next neighborhood over.

Oh no no no see, realism can only be implemented when it's MAKING YOUR LIFE AND EXPERIENCE HARDER AND LESS FUN, that's the point, see? If it's turning your character into a fat sack of protein capable of even less than you can do in real life, it's working properly, if there's anything I've learned from CDDA it's that, considering my 20 stat across the board characters all infected with a space slime that turns people into superpowered mutants before they zombify are more useless than my fat ass.

@@AiluridaeAureus That just sounds like a skill issue honestly, considering how many good examples there are of people playing regular CDDA Characters to great success, without full stats or space slime.

Brutal

That's pretty hilarious. Boring warehouse job afternoon snooze.

Bro forgot cigarette for his stress moodle

@@sonoda944 stress has nothing to do with fatigue build up?

@penileymajorey7174 I had wakeful, even I am baffled by it

With enough adrenaline coursing through our veins, humans are capable of some pretty insane feats of strength/endurance. I'm absolutely sure my unfit ass would be able to run miles and miles if the alternative was being eaten alive.

@@TheGameReview217 Exactly, you will be alive, you will wish you weren't, but you will be and that is all your brain cares about.

​@@thewolfgirlexpert I get that to an extent but at the same time adding that would cause early game characters to injurie themselves massively upon first seeing a zombie

@@cameronsmith3047 this checks actually tbh... lets be real, you'd probably book it the moment you saw a zombie or hoard out of pure instinct and end up getting your shit rocked by just yourself.

@@cameronsmith3047 It wouldn't be a literal injury unless you really pushed it. But pain would be a thing. Just like the pain that already exists after working out.

Which is odd when you consider things like cleaning liquid and water containers get lighter as they get more empty.

Looks like that may get fixed with the new system for fluids in B42

Yooo but that'd be a funny way to die lol. At least it'd make more sense than my character sprinting to turn away from the zombie that just lunged at me 5ft away from the window he climbed while I was waiting to stomp him, thus more caught up so instead of running along the wall my guy full sprints head first into a wall to knock himself down again and get bitten that time..

cools down the muscles witch can help slow the lactic acid build up (or at the very least numb the aches and pains) i am a perosn that just loves the cold and hates the heat so i get you there.

I think changing so cold does not affecting stamina whatsoever is debatable, but I do like the idea of temperature having a possible positive effect. I was thinking about how a bit of cold or heat can stimulate the body, and maybe there could be a system where just a little bit of temperature change can help keep your character awake. You know how if you stay in a hot or cold space for long enough it feels normal, but when you leave you realize the temperature changed? Something like that. Just thinking out loud, I'm not familiar with zomboid.

Reducing your body temperature reduces how much cortisol your brain creates, the hormone responsible for stress. When you're crutching on adrenaline and stress to keep you going after being awake for 48+ hours, even just the slightest decrease in cortisol can knock you the flip out. Running the AC a few degrees cooler was the way my parents got me to go to sleep when I played WoW for days at a time lmao

Agreed. The food change is still the worst offender (for me personally, since I play with sleep turned off thus no exhaustion) IMO. Here's to hoping they either revert the food change or give food a proper bump up in the calories they need rather than forcing you to stuff your face with tons of food constantly.

@@nihminus6612 I just use More Traits mod, it has a trait that makes you gain more calories when you're under 80 weight and gain less over 80, which feels pretty similar to the way it used to be when I'm playing. Kinda cheaty but I can't be bothered to micromanage my food intake the way the devs apparently want me to.

When was this change to hunger added?

@Cake Hotfix 41.78.12 - November 23rd. -Fixed Walking and sprinting not burning more calories than standing still. You can find the patch notes here: theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/61699-4178-released/ I don't think the initial patch it happened in was called a hotfix at first, I think it just got renamed as they smushed a couple patches together. This doubled (or a bit more) daily calorie eating requirements if you want to maintain your weight.

feel like it should be tied to hunger moodles instead it’ll look weird and more erratic but at least it’s not eating 6 containers of ice cream every hour + it adds worth to pan foods that don’t have any nutritional stats at all

I always pick athletic and I make sure to start with fitness 9 because going below that basically disables the athletic buff, my character with lvl 5 long blunt, lvl 9 fitness, lvl 6 strength, gets moderately exerted killing just 15 zombies with a crowbar, I know short blunts are broken because they barely exert your character so I plan on testing it. Either way I can't even imagine playing a character that has less than 5 fitness.

@@steveweast475 I play a character with less than 5, infact 0 fitness and 2 strength, I play a heavily modded game so it's hard af even when the loot isn't low and the cars are plenty, thing is, I can take a lot of zombies out as I see them, could go up to 5 or 6, but the moment 3 zombies are together I have to leave the area, which makes getting a car essential for that exact reason, I must clear up areas of zombies by driving them away before doing anything, which makes it harder to get gas at gas stations for example, the boost I get from the negative traits does give me a lot of skills and it would be a fantastic build if not for 1 thing... How the fuck do they see me from so far away, like I don't understand, I spawn in, pick some stuff up in 5 minutes a zombie is already at the window about to break it, on times it didn't happen as soon as I step out on the street 2 zombies are already on me, and by the time I either kill them or try to lose them by going around a house THE WHOLE FUCKING NEIGHBORHOOD IS BEHIND ME, literally 8-13 zombies get up to follow me out of fucking nowhere, no matter the fog the night not even if I'm sneaking up, it pisses me off how much vision the zombies have. They see me from so far away as soon as I step out any zombie looking in my direction gets alerted, you know when you are in a street and zombies have direct visual contact with you, like the amount from which they can see you is greater than the amount you A LIVING BEING can see, even if you pick all the traits to give you better vision, worst of all, all the zombies that are looking away will randomly turn around and chase you, and if not other zombies make them join the chase.

@@SpecterNeverSpectator set zombie vision to poor

@@sovietnationalism3182 you can do that? Man I'll try that latter hopefully my mods still work. I try not to be mean towards games until I've played them for long as there is always a high chance I am just being stupid and ridiculing myself like rn.

@@SpecterNeverSpectator yeah its in the custom sandbox setting you can chsnge a lot like zombie speed hearing strenght and so its under the zombie lore tab

fuck the cult of realism

Bruh

Try jogging some blocks when you carry a bag filled with lead pipes, and at the same time avoid zombies (so stoping, changing course, looking at all directions). I think the game really limits how much you can max a character to do better than a regular unemployed character, in a way it would make the game really boring that you could simply ran away from the helicopter event.

@@lorenzmaut3708 Zombies come from all sides so it's impossible to just run away from them especially with the helicopter following you at 315 Km/h.

I really want to know how you decided that "even the most unfit human beings can go miles and miles before needing rest" because it's just categorically false.

same

Oh shit, hello.

Yeah, I fill that, english is hard, especially on herring. Recently I heard one guy talking about getting new "ovaries", I congratulate him with transition and continue to move through my day, until I realize he talked about "over-ears" - headphones

@@user-jh5dq9vc1v "over-ears" Oh that's not just you if you're learning English as a second language. Colloquialisms and slang drive me fucking crazy, especially as a Canadian, a country stuck between Britain and the USA culturally, making me hate how both talk. It's not a fucking trolley, it's a shopping cart, it is a cart that you use for shopping, why can't these Englishmen call things what they are...

i'm a native english speaker and even i can't understand it, i want a new language

I also noticed that.

@@user-jh5dq9vc1v "Yeah, i got these sick new headphones." "Congratulations on your transition."

Have you been drinking alcohol?

@@steveweast475 Nope. Save that for rare instances, mostly as a pain killer and sleep aid so I can get to bed. Also molotovs

Just don't get hit 😎👍

Take off all of your under layers. Everything underneath your jacket and vest give you no defense but do build heat. I see so many people wearing shirts, sweaters, and jackets all together because logically it would make you harder to kill, but that's not how it works. In the summer just go commando and only wear the jacket and vest and you'll be fine.

That's probably because you sound like your fitness is at level 9. I can't even find the motivation for more than 8 hours of consistent work let alone all the other stuff I have to do.

@@TheTingcat its because the fatigue system in zomboid is unrealistic and shit it would be trivial to tweak some numbers to get outcomes that better simulate reality. when we sprint 100m we are so exhausted we can barely walk, but after getting our breath back we could probably do it again after a minute even if a couple seconds slower. basically there is no system in the game to simulate cardiovascular exhaustion and i have no idea why and the existing system which i guess is somewhat closer to simulating muscular exhaustion is still off. similar to the sprinting example after a few reps of feats of near maximal strength exertion there should be a huge drop off in effective strength. think after doing 10 deadlifts being destroyed, or not being able to lift your arms after a hard set of bench. but then after a minute or two of rest it should be totally possible to do another "set" with 90-95% effectiveness, and this should be repeatable a decent number of times. with intense work there needs to be much more rapid dropoff in effective strength couple with much more rapid recovery it wouldnt even be much work this is the mind boggling thing. all of the code infrastructure is already in place. it would basically involve a copy/paste of the code for the existing fatigue system, then adjusting some numerical values that define the rate of increase and rate of recovery for each of the fatigue attributes ( cardio/muscular), then defining which activies are hampered by what degree by each type of fatigue e.g. you can smash a bunch of skulls with a fire axe until your arms cant move anymore, but after that you should be able to sprint away with 90% efficiency to safety to rest your arms before coming back to have another go at 90% efficiency after a 10 minute breather

@@Six_slotted I know, I was just making a joke because I'm unfit lol

@@Six_slotted I'd expect for physical "skills" something along the likes of reading a book. When you exert yourself A LOT, you gain a bonus to gaining experience in Strength/Fitness for some time, meaning each further training or exertion contributes better (ofcourse to some extent) towards it all. On the other hand, if you had a calm day or two, without any heavy lifting, running or training, that same bonus should diminish and slowly get back to +0%. So in short, you would get a bonus to gaining experience based off how much you've done in the past couple days (perhaps up to a week). Also, stamina (as a skill) should also be a thing. There are people that have low stamina and exert themselves fast, just like those that could go on and on for hours without ragged breath. I'd find it more realistic than the current implemantation for sure.

@@Six_slotted This is just a game, The features aren't balanced around literally copying real life but are instead heavily gamified and only kind of resemble real life phenomena. They need to be rebalanced but they shouldn't be rebalanced by trying to copy what happens in real life. The current system is fine, the issue is fatigue generation ramps up too quickly based on temperature.

Hell I Wear all my scratch resistant gear usually so my characters were always super hot

Yet another reason why tailoring is an incredibly niche skill that's useless to 99% of playthroughs

I used to take naps all the time. I was using the additional traits mod and included antique weapons in my traits. I found a maul which is basically a super sledgehammer except focused on killing zombies. But it was exhausting to use. Use your digital watch to set a timer and just nap for a couple of hours. I had spawned down in March Ridge and was clearing all of those huge connected townhouse buildings on the western end of March Ridge. I'd become exhausted frequently, pop up to the second floor, move some furniture around, take a couple hour nap, and then continue on my rampage.

You can do that now, just set an alarm and go to sleep?

honestly understandable, it's crazy playing the usual mp server and just... not having to stop playing every hour or so. this is something i hope the game addresses eventually, trait and stat balance in general is a binary between "is your character unplayable garbage: yes or no", and it feels weird having a system like this that actively discourages building with how game defining strength and fitness are

PZ just needs to decide if they want to be hyper realistic, in which case quite a few things need to change (including the zombie count) or rogue-like.

@@2639theboss imagine finding someone that has a single jar lid. Either you have 0 or you have dozens to hundreds of them. To say nothing about jar rings and jar lids are typically separate things and jarred food stays fresh for a year or two not two months. Don't even want to go into the nuance of when you need a pressure canner and when you can just use a large pot. It kinda blows my mind they haven't fixed this. It seems like it'd be pretty simple for them and it actually has a huge impact on the game.

@@2639theboss Cataclysm Dark Days Ahead gets that mix just right (at least one the stable version) though nested containers when they were first added made my life so much easier.

@@dragonace119 I just don't like the art style in that game, i might as well play a text based RPG. The mechanics look great though very realistic game i kinda want to try it

Fun stuff I'm messin with. [COS] Custom Zombie is the name of the mod.

That would be shit because of beta blockers. Just delaying it in combat would be fine, not everything needs to have an extra negative aspect to it when every single thing you do outside or during combat already drains stamina.

@@ch1dd u could just nerf how badly exhaustion effects ur character, or make the effects based on ur fitness, i still like my original idea since its more realistic

@@ghostlyninja125 claustrophobic or agoraphobic characters would do literally nothing and get crippled, there's really no way to implement that penalty, it shouldn't have a negative side to it or at the very least not be tied to panic. The good traits that keep your panic in check would also backfire a little if you can't manipulate exhaustion like the others will be able to do... there are a few problems like this all throughout the game mechanics that won't allow for a decent risk-reward until the whole thing is overhauled, so the only option is to have purely reward. I mean, it makes a lot of sense that the game about surviving zombies will reward you for taking risks and fighting as opposed of not playing the game because your character can't do anything after walking 2 blocks

@@ch1dd maybe the system needs a total rework then?

@@ghostlyninja125 it needs change for sure, I don't know about a total rework. But like I said depending on the changes it'll require a rework of other systems entirely, it's like a domino effect that probably isn't optimal. Which is why I think throwing the players a bone is the better option if not the only one

can you give link to that mods page ?

@@oyunlarnyolcusu8568 It's called "stay awake longer" on the steam workshop, not sure if I can post links in comments.

However, the problem is when a game must depend on mods to fix some or more of its errors or lack of content. And we must accept that PROJECT ZOMBOID is one of those games

Relying on mods to fix a game is how you end up with Bethesda levels of jank

@@bigblue344 That is absolutely correct, when Fallout 4 came out I dropped it after playing for about and hour, but around 2 years later I gave it another shot, but with mods, and I've since racked up over 3k hours on the game lol. But I see it more as a blessing than a curse, because it's not bugfixes and community patches that made the game enjoyable, but being able to change it to fit my idea of a good time, and the same thing holds true for PZ, if it wasn't for the mods enhancing my experience, I probably would have dropped the game by now.

You can totally go back to older builds via the betas on steam. Especially if you dont enjoy the calorie usage change as not much else changed that matters from the build before it, or as other people put it. Turn off nutrition until build 42 and the whole crafting remake comes out.

@@Retanaru I had totally forgotten about the ability to go back to older builds, thanks a ton for reminding me!

Wakeful is so op like I remember one time my character stayed up through the night without sleeping into the morning and the drowsy noodle didn’t even show up

@@gmodguy123 yeah I’ve found you can actively forgo sleeping the first night of a game, and be fine as long as you take it easy the next day. It really helps you get that start when everything is at its most critical time wise. Hell I usually spend that time securing the local grocery stores

I think this also ties into the wind system as well.

And then there's me who never wears any clothing(yes not even shorts,nor a t-shirt,hat,nor anything,even glasses lol)because they encumber me more and I wanna be able to carry as much as possible,so I will literally go around scavenging COMPLETELY NAKED in the winter if it means getting more stuff lol. Haven't died yet because of it(tho I haven't survived till winter yet either lol,but when I do I'm DEFINITELY doing this,especially because I have the outdoorsman trait so its basically impossible to die from heat/cold with it lol)

Settings and mods

Modded map + modded zombies

No pants gang is the way of life.

Humans have a natural jar of coffee for emergencies, it's called adrenaline. Idk why the game can't implement that.

@@Fireclaws10 Only realistic for stuff that makes it harder. You see it in every sim game like this.

​@@Fireclaws10 funny enough, you even have to pay 8 points for adrenaline junkie, to move faster while under adrenaline effect/panicking

Sshhh, don't let the devs know about that.

COS custom zombie on the workshop.

It feels like the devs are just mad that people are surviving their game that is supposed to be unsurvivable

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Funnily enough a full outfit will make you hot in winter too. There's no way to escape it aside from never doing anything, its impossible to stay at the perfect core temperature.

They try to patch out playstyles for some reason, same reason they made sheet ropes something that zombies target. Sure, you can work around it, but it's easily the least attractive thing about this games dev cycle imo. It's a unique game, but the development would arguably be farther along if they worked on the game and not how we play it. Still hanging in there due to the amount of customization you can employ for each playthrough. + mods of course, the game wouldn't be half of what it is without the community and their continuing updates after these hot fixes, patches, etc.

[COS] Custom Zombie in the workshop